Can you at least read what I wrote before jumping to conclusions.
I didn't link aircraft safety to MP3 players, you did that to try and disprove my point. I compared peoples reactions to the two concepts, that's what you do with an analogy. In fact I didn't even mention IOS/Apple, the argument was Open vs Closed.
Aircraft safety is similar to software freedom in the way that everyone takes it for granted yet has little idea on what is actually important and in the fact that it's all accomplished by a small group of dedicated people so that everyone can enjoy it.
Please dont put words in other peoples mouths because you dont like what they said.
Aircraft safety versus iOS? Seems like a pretty huge straw man to me.
Wow, I didn't even mention IOS. Or Apple, not did I link aircraft safety to OS/Software freedom.
Perhaps you need to take off the fanboy glasses and realise it's not a strawman but an analogy. There is a big difference between the two.
Aircraft safety is similar to software freedom in the way that everyone takes it for granted yet has little idea on what is actually important and in the fact that it's all accomplished by a small group of dedicated people so that everyone can enjoy it.
This article makes the typical geek mistake of assuming that Android tablets are failing due to some technical reason such as "not enough apps". This assumes customers are making perfectly rational choices and are looking at things such as "app selection" when they "buy a tablet."
The problem has never been applications, the problem has always been functionality.
People care about doing what they want to do, it doesn't even matter how hard it is, people jump through hoops on Windows daily because it allows them to do what they want.
iFanboys say "its the App's" because this is where 95% of the functionality of iDevices comes from. With Android it's different, the OS assumes responsibility for a significant proportion of functionality whilst the applications are secondary to that. It is and always has been about "do or not do", products that "do" succeed, products that "not do" die off. This is the real lesson from HP/WebOS, dont fall behind and limit what your customers can do and this is far from the first example.
So people buy an iPad. They don't even know other models exist,
This is changing very rapidly, people said the same thing about Android phones a little while ago, then the Moto Droid and HTC Desire were released and everyone knew who Android was. The same is happening with tablets, Every Telco in Oz is advertising a cheap-o ZTE tablet for A$200-ish, they are also trying to get more expensive Android tablets like the Tab 10.1 and Xoom. Not to mention things like the Toshiba Thrive and Acer Iconia on sale at box retailers. This is why Apple is trying to get courts the world over to block the sale of the Tab 10.1, a critical mass happens when enough places sell Android tablets and enough people buy them and people will buy them because Android offers functionality without restriction or to quote the old marketing line, "droid does".
Android tablets have already eaten between 20 and 40% of the market depending on the market you're measuring by the end of Q2 2011. This is from practically 0% in Q2 2010
Apple fans are extraordinarily brand loyal, but their numbers are a lot smaller then you think, the average person who ones an iDevice is nowhere near as brand loyal.
Let's be blunt. Only nerds on tech sites worry about "closeness."
Only aircraft engineers care about mechanical safety.
That doesn't mean it's not important.
The average technophobe doesn't worry about openness because they already have it and take it for granted, much like the average airline passenger takes for granted that the plane their flying on wont fall apart. What they dont know, nor want to know is that a lot of work goes on in the background by very dedicated people to ensure that everyone can enjoy the boon of openness or safe flights.
Shove the average person into a world of "closedness" and they'll start caring about it quick smart.
"Stick to a single partner" is superior to "use condoms" as an individual strategy.
"Give free condoms" is superior to "tell people to have a single partner" as a government policy and far superior than promoting abstinence.
Contraception awareness has been even more effective in SE Asia, particularly in the Buddhist nations. The great HIV pandemic that was due to hit Thailand never did.
It's a shame about the Philippines though, Christianity is dominant there, having 4 siblings is considered to have a small family and teen pregnancy is the norm.
It has been proven in studies that the strategies in order of effectiveness are:
- promote contraception
- do nothing
- promote abstinence.
Funny, I'd rather spend my time using a computer than configuring it
I'd rather be using my computer then fighting it because I have a need it's designer didn't envisage.
I'd never use a basic image manipulation program like Paint after all.
My 4 years of supporting Mac's in an enterprise taught me that Mac's have a very, very limited feature set and if you want it do anything different you're in for a world of pain that makes compiling the most obstinate Linux distro from scratch feel like a holiday.
BTW, Installed LinuxMint last night, most pain free install I've ever had and everything I need works out of the box. No compiling needed.
paying about the same for the privileged.
Keep telling yourself that, you're only fooling yourself.
Macbook 13" = US$1129 - Old Core 2 Duo CPU, old Nvidia 3 series, only 2 GB RAM. Asus U31SD = US$725 - 2nd Gen i3, new Nvidia 5 series/hybrid Intel IGM, 4 GB RAM.
Even if I buy a 128 GB SSD, The current gen Asus it's still $200 cheaper then the old tech Mac. The price for a Macbook gets 50% worse if I try to buy one locally (in Australia) but the Asus only goes up by 10-15%.
No doubt you have all kinds of wonderful excuses (your cognitive dissonance wont let you accept Mac's are nearly twice the price as other PC's) but provide links or I'll just repeat myself.
So that's why people are leaving their Iphone 3GS's for new Android handsets. The fastest selling OS is Android, people are buying it because it's better.
The overwhelming majority of PC user's couldn't care less about "crapware" but are finding each revision of Itunes worse then the last and are relishing the chance to be rid of it. The critical difference is that they aren't forced to jump through hoops by the crapware to do basic things.
You mean like the Galaxy Tab 10.1? It's barred from import into Australia due to Apple successfully winning an injunction against it due to patent disputes.
Until the 1st of September. The hearing is on the 29th of August and Samsung feels so confident of wining they've announced the release for the following Thursday (late night shopping day in Oz). Realistically with the standard of evidence Apple have been presenting, Samsung couldn't win easier if they were represented by Charlie Sheen on Winning Juice.
Commoditization of the hardware and razor thing margins leads to a rather severe avoidance of risk. Risk-taking is what drives innovation. That's why PC OEMs haven't given us anything amazing and revolutionary for fifteen years.
Actually the reason for that is that the customer base for computers do not want any radical changes. The risk averse enviroment is due to the use of PC's not the razor thin margins, manufacturers would like to charge more for a radically new product but no one would buy it, not because it's more expensive, but because it requires a radical change on their part.
Take a look at the conversion from x86 to x64. Despite consumer level x64 hardware being available for 7 odd years and x86 Windows for 5 years now, we are only just seeing a swing towards x64 as it's taken this long for the market to adapt to change.
In another 5-8 years we may actually have ARM computers competing with x86-64 despite the technology being ready now.
HP has just run the numbers and figured out what IBM did in 2005: the only way to win is not to play this game.
HP, much like IBM simply wasn't agile enough to stay in the game. Those of us forced to use HP equipment due to various corporate deals have known this for a long time.
Anyone with half a brain, they are perusing temporary injunctions and bans rather then suing Samsung directly.
They are competing just fine, but they feel that Samsung has infringed on their design,
Feelings cant be argued in this case. Apple need evidence and when that evidence didn't exist, they made some up.
Samsung is so confident of their chances, they've slated the Galaxy Tab 10.1 launch in Australia on 1 September, the case to decide the injunction is on 29 August.
This is no different to a content producer coming out with a cartoon mouse called "Ricky" and giving him hemispherical black ears and a pet dog called "Gluto".
Actually it's completely different as Samsung haven't violated any copyrights, which is what you're referring to.
Apple have claimed Samsung has violated some patents, in reality all Apple are doing is trying to prevent their competitor from releasing a product in the same market space.
but Apple's right (or anyone's right) to sue for infringement has no relevance to their ability to compete in the market.
Actually, it's not a "right" in any definition of the word.
What Apple is doing is suing using falsified evidence, that's a violation of the law. They falsified evidence because they do not have an acutal case, if there is an infringement why did they photoshop the Tab 10.1 in the submitted documents, if there is no infringement why are they suing apart from preventing a competitor from reaching the market. You cant spin this any other way.
Yep. We're always being told how Apple is the best quality, best operating system and how they keep prices lower than everybody else by buying up massive amounts of chips for years in advance of production, etc.
But Apple's falsified evidence is the best quality of falsified evidence and they've been falsifying it years in advance of actual lawsuits
Now they're saying they can't compete in a fair marketplace?
You have to work really hard for that PC dollar. In desktop PCs Microsoft makes several times the profit dollars per unit than HP or Lenovo does. Lenovo's crowing about "huge" $100M profits on $5B sales right now- about 2 percent. That's a lot of work and risk for $100M profit to be a good thing. You could blow $100M just by, say, building an initial run of half a million tablets that don't sell.
You say that like it's a bad thing.
Razor thin margins in the HW sector are a result of strong competition which is a good thing for us consumers. As you said, manufacturers have to work hard for that dollar, which means people who produce crappy products or disrespect their customers will find it very hard to make a profit.
HP has been going down the toilet for years, bad HW, bad customer service, What else have you got in the HW business (EDS is also not doing to well ATM also I hear).
I actually do like getting email from companies I do business with
Indeed, I like being notified to when my favourite businesses are having sales, I've saved thousands thanks to signing up to mailing lists for Singapore Airlines, Air Asia, Malaysian Air Services and that's just for travel.
But this is solicited commercial email, I want to receive this and if I dont I can unsubscribe.
It's the unsolicited stuff, such as VividWireless that I never want to hear from again, they dont have an unsubscribe feature on their emails. Also rarely does solicited advertising try to fuck up your computer, VividWireless did plenty of that.
Programming for iOS isn't especially difficult, and the Enterprise developer license doesn't involve an Apple review of the app because there is no App Store involvement, so there are essentially no restrictions. It's basically like programming a PC, because it's just a computer.
Except that you still cant use Apple's hidden API's.
Or create your own services.
Ipads are nowhere in the same league as PC's running Windows or Linux beacuse Apple has built restrictions into the operating.
Yep, my company has worked on Ipad projects, all three of them lost money because the sales drones (Apple Fanboys) promised the clients that the Ipad could do what it cant. Jailbreaking them was out of the question and creating persistent services was not supported.
Like someone else said on here once, let me know when those famous iPhone apps can be developed on the iPhone without bending over backwards. Real work always gets done on a real computer.
Also, more innovation will occur on PC simply because the user isn't restricted from doing what they want to.
It may not be easy to make a program on a PC do something it wasn't designed for, but it's a hell of a lot easier on a PC then it is on an iProduct.
What for the cases in which:
a. no reliable access to Internet or not owning a computer - the outback is huge
b. persons that don't know how to operate a computer (even if they know very well how to break a horse).
It's being done by the Liberal party.
a. They dont care, people in the country suffer under the Libs anyway (but for some strange reason, vote for them).
b. They dont care, Luddites will vote Lib and blame it on Labor.
c. Abbott and Turnbull are complete idiots when it comes to technology, so much so they make Conroy look like a genius and as an IT&T worker in Oz, I dont have kind things to say about Conroy.
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Can you at least read what I wrote before jumping to conclusions.
I didn't link aircraft safety to MP3 players, you did that to try and disprove my point. I compared peoples reactions to the two concepts, that's what you do with an analogy. In fact I didn't even mention IOS/Apple, the argument was Open vs Closed.
Aircraft safety is similar to software freedom in the way that everyone takes it for granted yet has little idea on what is actually important and in the fact that it's all accomplished by a small group of dedicated people so that everyone can enjoy it.
Please dont put words in other peoples mouths because you dont like what they said.
Wow, I didn't even mention IOS. Or Apple, not did I link aircraft safety to OS/Software freedom.
Perhaps you need to take off the fanboy glasses and realise it's not a strawman but an analogy. There is a big difference between the two.
Aircraft safety is similar to software freedom in the way that everyone takes it for granted yet has little idea on what is actually important and in the fact that it's all accomplished by a small group of dedicated people so that everyone can enjoy it.
The problem has never been applications, the problem has always been functionality.
People care about doing what they want to do, it doesn't even matter how hard it is, people jump through hoops on Windows daily because it allows them to do what they want.
iFanboys say "its the App's" because this is where 95% of the functionality of iDevices comes from. With Android it's different, the OS assumes responsibility for a significant proportion of functionality whilst the applications are secondary to that. It is and always has been about "do or not do", products that "do" succeed, products that "not do" die off. This is the real lesson from HP/WebOS, dont fall behind and limit what your customers can do and this is far from the first example.
This is changing very rapidly, people said the same thing about Android phones a little while ago, then the Moto Droid and HTC Desire were released and everyone knew who Android was. The same is happening with tablets, Every Telco in Oz is advertising a cheap-o ZTE tablet for A$200-ish, they are also trying to get more expensive Android tablets like the Tab 10.1 and Xoom. Not to mention things like the Toshiba Thrive and Acer Iconia on sale at box retailers. This is why Apple is trying to get courts the world over to block the sale of the Tab 10.1, a critical mass happens when enough places sell Android tablets and enough people buy them and people will buy them because Android offers functionality without restriction or to quote the old marketing line, "droid does".
Android tablets have already eaten between 20 and 40% of the market depending on the market you're measuring by the end of Q2 2011. This is from practically 0% in Q2 2010
Apple fans are extraordinarily brand loyal, but their numbers are a lot smaller then you think, the average person who ones an iDevice is nowhere near as brand loyal.
His name is Steve Jobs not Steve Job, the apostrophe belongs on the other side of the "s". That should read Steve Jobs' resignation.
Only aircraft engineers care about mechanical safety.
That doesn't mean it's not important.
The average technophobe doesn't worry about openness because they already have it and take it for granted, much like the average airline passenger takes for granted that the plane their flying on wont fall apart. What they dont know, nor want to know is that a lot of work goes on in the background by very dedicated people to ensure that everyone can enjoy the boon of openness or safe flights.
Shove the average person into a world of "closedness" and they'll start caring about it quick smart.
"Stick to a single partner" is superior to "use condoms" as an individual strategy.
"Give free condoms" is superior to "tell people to have a single partner" as a government policy and far superior than promoting abstinence.
Contraception awareness has been even more effective in SE Asia, particularly in the Buddhist nations. The great HIV pandemic that was due to hit Thailand never did.
It's a shame about the Philippines though, Christianity is dominant there, having 4 siblings is considered to have a small family and teen pregnancy is the norm.
It has been proven in studies that the strategies in order of effectiveness are :
- promote contraception
- do nothing
- promote abstinence.
Could not be said enough.
I'd rather be using my computer then fighting it because I have a need it's designer didn't envisage.
I'd never use a basic image manipulation program like Paint after all.
My 4 years of supporting Mac's in an enterprise taught me that Mac's have a very, very limited feature set and if you want it do anything different you're in for a world of pain that makes compiling the most obstinate Linux distro from scratch feel like a holiday.
BTW, Installed LinuxMint last night, most pain free install I've ever had and everything I need works out of the box. No compiling needed.
Keep telling yourself that, you're only fooling yourself. Macbook 13" = US$1129 - Old Core 2 Duo CPU, old Nvidia 3 series, only 2 GB RAM.
Asus U31SD = US$725 - 2nd Gen i3, new Nvidia 5 series/hybrid Intel IGM, 4 GB RAM.
Even if I buy a 128 GB SSD, The current gen Asus it's still $200 cheaper then the old tech Mac. The price for a Macbook gets 50% worse if I try to buy one locally (in Australia) but the Asus only goes up by 10-15%.
No doubt you have all kinds of wonderful excuses (your cognitive dissonance wont let you accept Mac's are nearly twice the price as other PC's) but provide links or I'll just repeat myself.
So that's why people are leaving their Iphone 3GS's for new Android handsets. The fastest selling OS is Android, people are buying it because it's better.
The overwhelming majority of PC user's couldn't care less about "crapware" but are finding each revision of Itunes worse then the last and are relishing the chance to be rid of it. The critical difference is that they aren't forced to jump through hoops by the crapware to do basic things.
If you are watching ESPN and having sex at the same time you are having LOUSY sex..so lousy in fact, why bother?
Because bad sex is still better then a good soccer game.
Keeping Debug on is not a good idea.
Plugging it into an unknown or untrusted device is an even worse one.
An Android user who keeps debug on probably knows enough to not plug it into strange charging devices.
You mean like the Galaxy Tab 10.1? It's barred from import into Australia due to Apple successfully winning an injunction against it due to patent disputes.
Until the 1st of September. The hearing is on the 29th of August and Samsung feels so confident of wining they've announced the release for the following Thursday (late night shopping day in Oz). Realistically with the standard of evidence Apple have been presenting, Samsung couldn't win easier if they were represented by Charlie Sheen on Winning Juice.
Probably not related, but for the last two days a mysterious jet-fuel like odor has been wafting around San Diego county.
Has Taco Bell changed their recipe.
Celine Dion may find more work.
Titanic, never Cameron, never again.
Actually the reason for that is that the customer base for computers do not want any radical changes. The risk averse enviroment is due to the use of PC's not the razor thin margins, manufacturers would like to charge more for a radically new product but no one would buy it, not because it's more expensive, but because it requires a radical change on their part.
Take a look at the conversion from x86 to x64. Despite consumer level x64 hardware being available for 7 odd years and x86 Windows for 5 years now, we are only just seeing a swing towards x64 as it's taken this long for the market to adapt to change.
In another 5-8 years we may actually have ARM computers competing with x86-64 despite the technology being ready now.
HP, much like IBM simply wasn't agile enough to stay in the game. Those of us forced to use HP equipment due to various corporate deals have known this for a long time.
Undoing bad mod. Didn't realise it was Gerad extracting the unrine.
Who said anything about that?
Anyone with half a brain, they are perusing temporary injunctions and bans rather then suing Samsung directly.
They are competing just fine, but they feel that Samsung has infringed on their design,
Feelings cant be argued in this case. Apple need evidence and when that evidence didn't exist, they made some up.
Samsung is so confident of their chances, they've slated the Galaxy Tab 10.1 launch in Australia on 1 September, the case to decide the injunction is on 29 August.
This is no different to a content producer coming out with a cartoon mouse called "Ricky" and giving him hemispherical black ears and a pet dog called "Gluto".
Actually it's completely different as Samsung haven't violated any copyrights, which is what you're referring to.
Apple have claimed Samsung has violated some patents, in reality all Apple are doing is trying to prevent their competitor from releasing a product in the same market space.
but Apple's right (or anyone's right) to sue for infringement has no relevance to their ability to compete in the market.
Actually, it's not a "right" in any definition of the word.
What Apple is doing is suing using falsified evidence, that's a violation of the law. They falsified evidence because they do not have an acutal case, if there is an infringement why did they photoshop the Tab 10.1 in the submitted documents, if there is no infringement why are they suing apart from preventing a competitor from reaching the market. You cant spin this any other way.
Yep. We're always being told how Apple is the best quality, best operating system and how they keep prices lower than everybody else by buying up massive amounts of chips for years in advance of production, etc.
But Apple's falsified evidence is the best quality of falsified evidence and they've been falsifying it years in advance of actual lawsuits
Now they're saying they can't compete in a fair marketplace?
This has always been the case.
They're all made there anyway. They're just selling to their local market.
Designed by Apple in California means nothing.
The Chinese version will say,
Built by slave labour in shenzhen.
Considering they're all made there?
yes yes, technological differences and all...
What scares me is the number of people that think Iphones haven't been available in China since they were first manufactured.
Yes, Authentic Iphones.
You have to work really hard for that PC dollar. In desktop PCs Microsoft makes several times the profit dollars per unit than HP or Lenovo does. Lenovo's crowing about "huge" $100M profits on $5B sales right now- about 2 percent. That's a lot of work and risk for $100M profit to be a good thing. You could blow $100M just by, say, building an initial run of half a million tablets that don't sell.
You say that like it's a bad thing.
Razor thin margins in the HW sector are a result of strong competition which is a good thing for us consumers. As you said, manufacturers have to work hard for that dollar, which means people who produce crappy products or disrespect their customers will find it very hard to make a profit.
HP has been going down the toilet for years, bad HW, bad customer service, What else have you got in the HW business (EDS is also not doing to well ATM also I hear).
Indeed, I like being notified to when my favourite businesses are having sales, I've saved thousands thanks to signing up to mailing lists for Singapore Airlines, Air Asia, Malaysian Air Services and that's just for travel.
But this is solicited commercial email, I want to receive this and if I dont I can unsubscribe.
It's the unsolicited stuff, such as VividWireless that I never want to hear from again, they dont have an unsubscribe feature on their emails. Also rarely does solicited advertising try to fuck up your computer, VividWireless did plenty of that.
Except that you still cant use Apple's hidden API's.
Or create your own services.
Ipads are nowhere in the same league as PC's running Windows or Linux beacuse Apple has built restrictions into the operating.
Yep, my company has worked on Ipad projects, all three of them lost money because the sales drones (Apple Fanboys) promised the clients that the Ipad could do what it cant. Jailbreaking them was out of the question and creating persistent services was not supported.
Like someone else said on here once, let me know when those famous iPhone apps can be developed on the iPhone without bending over backwards. Real work always gets done on a real computer.
Also, more innovation will occur on PC simply because the user isn't restricted from doing what they want to.
It may not be easy to make a program on a PC do something it wasn't designed for, but it's a hell of a lot easier on a PC then it is on an iProduct.
What for the cases in which:
a. no reliable access to Internet or not owning a computer - the outback is huge
b. persons that don't know how to operate a computer (even if they know very well how to break a horse).
It's being done by the Liberal party.
a. They dont care, people in the country suffer under the Libs anyway (but for some strange reason, vote for them).
b. They dont care, Luddites will vote Lib and blame it on Labor.
c. Abbott and Turnbull are complete idiots when it comes to technology, so much so they make Conroy look like a genius and as an IT&T worker in Oz, I dont have kind things to say about Conroy.
Worse yet, they have a plan to deliver our Telecom infrastructure back into the hands of an abusive private monopoly.
He isn't called Abbott the Destroyer for nothing.