"identify an 'acceptable' level and form of advertising on the net."
That will be hard to find since such a thing does not exist
So how do you pay for nearly everything on the Internet then? There are very few websites that operate with zero ad revenue.
Maybe my English isn't very good, after all it is Monday, maybe I'm a little slow. So you are saying that "manually" generating revenue from advertising is somehow different than "automatically" generating revenue from advertising? I realize the process is different, knocking on doors and calling people vs dropping some code in your page that links to someone who is doing the door knocking and phone calling, but the end result is still the same. There is still an advertisement on your website.
The root of this conversation is "There is no acceptable form of advertising on the net". By any normal logic, the answer to "how do you fund a website when advertising is unacceptable" can't be "put ads on the site"
The entire conversation this thread is based on is: "How do you expect to run a site without ad revenue?" Your retort to "websites aren't cheap to run" is "go sell some ads"? I can't say I follow the logic.
How many of the websites you visit every day do you figure run on a $5 web host? The couple of sites I maintain on a $10 host are probably of exactly zero value to you, or the vast majority of the world for that matter. Those are not the kinds of sites we are talking about now, are we?
Aaah, the old "that's not my problem" argument. What is the solution when the majority of users block ads? Are you willing to fork over $5/month/site to access Slashdot? (or Facebook, or Google, or whatever sites you use every day) I'm not saying that there are only two solutions (view ads or pay a subscription) I just haven't heard any viable alternatives presented.
If you want to consider the BBS, Prodigy, and early AOL days "The Internet", then sure, the Internet existed before ad supported sites. I mean, yes, those technically were the Internet. As far as actually being useful tools compared to what is out there today, not really much of a comparison. I will agree that there are sites that take ad-whoring to a whole new level, but those types of sites aren't what I'd call useful for anything other than wasting time.
I've actually been racking my brain since my earlier post trying to figure out sites that aren't ad-supported. Wikipedia is the only one I come up with.
Being an asshat isn't a protected class, being black is. So no, it isn't within the right of the CEO to refuse service to black people. You can if the black person is an asshat.
If you need a larger pipe installed your installation will cost more.
The power company is not in any way dictating what you can or can't use their power for. They are just saying if your usage rate is above a certain threshold your per-unit rate is going to be higher. A 25Mb cable connection isn't going to cost as much as a 10Mb fiber link.
In case you are keeping score: "close to nothing" is still greater than "nothing". So I'd call his post more worthwhile than the two AC comments above.
I would compare it to driving your car on a road next to a beach vs driving your car on a beach vs driving your car through the water vs driving it off a pier. Each one is a progressively worse idea, as far as long term reliability.
I live in a place where traffic doesn't matter much, and an address tells you how to get there
Huh, well the majority of the people in the developed world live in a type of area that doesn't follow your backwoods example. Where I need to go could take 15 minutes or it could take an hour, depending on weather and traffic. That same trip could have 3 routes, and the elapsed time for each is different every day. YOU may not understand why traffic predictions are wonderful, but I do. I enjoy the fact that if traffic is fucked up on one route, my phone will alert me. I enjoy the fact that google will let me see how long it's going to take to get to my cross-town appointment at 5PM vs 10AM.
why should my phone care what I did on my desktop
How about for the exact reason the OP suggested? I love the fact that I can google for something, find it on the map, then have it show up on my phone. I use it multiple times a week. I love that my bookmarks are synced between my devices.
Just because you don't like things doesn't mean they are useless. Oh, and all of the things that the OP mentioned he likes requires you to be signed in to chrome. Don't want it to do that? Don't sign into chrome on your pc.
What restaurant did chrome return? Did you choose it or did google choose it?...These are the kinds of things joe sixpack will see coming his way in the near future.
Wow. Just wow. How do you function with shit like that rattling around in your brain?
But an ad for a camera might seduce me into spending money on something i would not normally spend money on.
Maybe if an advertisement is swaying your thinking that much, you might not be as smart as you give yourself credit for.
Some resources would have been "depleted", but others would have been "concentrated into convenient, usable form in industrial ruins".
Once you grant the initial massive die-off, the survivors might be able to bootstrap via an economy based mostly on scavenging. It would still be hard and horrible, but not necessarily hopeless.
Didn't they make a video game about that at some point? That sounds familiar.
Slashdot Mirror
Good thing they sell computers without WiFi hardware in them.
you can't even yank hard on a lever or push as hard as you can down on a pedal to engage a mechanical emergency brake?
Nope. Purely electronic. Push the button and you can hear a "whiiiiiiiiir, scronk" to indicate the parking brake has engaged. (Subaru Legacy).
Is there even a direct mechanical connection between the regular brake pedal and the brake master cylinder?
Yup, there is a link there. But there is an electronic device (ABS actuator) sitting between the master and slave cylinders.
I have no idea if there is a physical link between gear shift and the transmission
Aint progress grand?
"identify an 'acceptable' level and form of advertising on the net." That will be hard to find since such a thing does not exist
So how do you pay for nearly everything on the Internet then? There are very few websites that operate with zero ad revenue.
Maybe my English isn't very good, after all it is Monday, maybe I'm a little slow. So you are saying that "manually" generating revenue from advertising is somehow different than "automatically" generating revenue from advertising? I realize the process is different, knocking on doors and calling people vs dropping some code in your page that links to someone who is doing the door knocking and phone calling, but the end result is still the same. There is still an advertisement on your website.
The root of this conversation is "There is no acceptable form of advertising on the net". By any normal logic, the answer to "how do you fund a website when advertising is unacceptable" can't be "put ads on the site"
The entire conversation this thread is based on is: "How do you expect to run a site without ad revenue?" Your retort to "websites aren't cheap to run" is "go sell some ads"? I can't say I follow the logic.
How many of the websites you visit every day do you figure run on a $5 web host? The couple of sites I maintain on a $10 host are probably of exactly zero value to you, or the vast majority of the world for that matter. Those are not the kinds of sites we are talking about now, are we?
That Internet connection isn't going to do you any good if there is nothing useful on the other end.
Aaah, the old "that's not my problem" argument. What is the solution when the majority of users block ads? Are you willing to fork over $5/month/site to access Slashdot? (or Facebook, or Google, or whatever sites you use every day) I'm not saying that there are only two solutions (view ads or pay a subscription) I just haven't heard any viable alternatives presented.
If you want to consider the BBS, Prodigy, and early AOL days "The Internet", then sure, the Internet existed before ad supported sites. I mean, yes, those technically were the Internet. As far as actually being useful tools compared to what is out there today, not really much of a comparison. I will agree that there are sites that take ad-whoring to a whole new level, but those types of sites aren't what I'd call useful for anything other than wasting time.
I've actually been racking my brain since my earlier post trying to figure out sites that aren't ad-supported. Wikipedia is the only one I come up with.
So how do you pay for nearly everything on the Internet then? There are very few websites that operate with zero ad revenue.
Being an asshat isn't a protected class, being black is. So no, it isn't within the right of the CEO to refuse service to black people. You can if the black person is an asshat.
Anything you can do about getting rid of systemd? That seems to be a popular request around here.
The power company is not in any way dictating what you can or can't use their power for. They are just saying if your usage rate is above a certain threshold your per-unit rate is going to be higher. A 25Mb cable connection isn't going to cost as much as a 10Mb fiber link.
Ethernet? On a Internet connected washing machine? You can't be serious. What is it, 2005? Get with the program!
In case you are keeping score: "close to nothing" is still greater than "nothing". So I'd call his post more worthwhile than the two AC comments above.
I would compare it to driving your car on a road next to a beach vs driving your car on a beach vs driving your car through the water vs driving it off a pier. Each one is a progressively worse idea, as far as long term reliability.
Not to mention that comparing the level of complexity of a first stage liquid propellant booster with a solid rocket booster just isn't fair.
So I avoid "mobile" options like the inferior plague they are.
So what do you use?
I live in a place where traffic doesn't matter much, and an address tells you how to get there
Huh, well the majority of the people in the developed world live in a type of area that doesn't follow your backwoods example. Where I need to go could take 15 minutes or it could take an hour, depending on weather and traffic. That same trip could have 3 routes, and the elapsed time for each is different every day. YOU may not understand why traffic predictions are wonderful, but I do. I enjoy the fact that if traffic is fucked up on one route, my phone will alert me. I enjoy the fact that google will let me see how long it's going to take to get to my cross-town appointment at 5PM vs 10AM.
why should my phone care what I did on my desktop
How about for the exact reason the OP suggested? I love the fact that I can google for something, find it on the map, then have it show up on my phone. I use it multiple times a week. I love that my bookmarks are synced between my devices.
Just because you don't like things doesn't mean they are useless. Oh, and all of the things that the OP mentioned he likes requires you to be signed in to chrome. Don't want it to do that? Don't sign into chrome on your pc.
What restaurant did chrome return? Did you choose it or did google choose it?...These are the kinds of things joe sixpack will see coming his way in the near future.
Wow. Just wow. How do you function with shit like that rattling around in your brain?
But an ad for a camera might seduce me into spending money on something i would not normally spend money on.
Maybe if an advertisement is swaying your thinking that much, you might not be as smart as you give yourself credit for.
No non-Christian has ever been elected president
That goes against the near-continuous assertion by the Right that there is currently a Muslim from Kenya residing in the White House.
Some resources would have been "depleted", but others would have been "concentrated into convenient, usable form in industrial ruins". Once you grant the initial massive die-off, the survivors might be able to bootstrap via an economy based mostly on scavenging. It would still be hard and horrible, but not necessarily hopeless.
Didn't they make a video game about that at some point? That sounds familiar.
What is the difference between legitimate government expense and corporate welfare to you?
Isn't it obvious? Anything that doesn't fit into a narrow preconceived world view is clearly corporate welfare.
Step 1: Hire a lawyer.
Step 2: Hire a product development company Here is one I'm sure there are many.
Step 3: ???
Step 4: Profit.
thanks to our government and the nightmares they make companies endure to get to that point
As opposed to letting them put out whatever shit they think they can get away with? That doesn't exactly sound like a good idea either.
They have hydrocarbons? Looks like they need some Freedom!