Yes a no-brainer as in, you would have to not have any brains to think its needed.
That tends to be the problem with security... people are willing to let it cost whatever it does, and expanding it always makes some amount of sense... its nearly always possible to dream up more, to find gaps etc.
The thing is...where is the problem you are trying to solve? Do you claim that public transit is currently not safe? Really? Based on what? Where is the actual problem?
I am on the staff list for a Sci Fi Con where people have been up in arms about "rape culture" over some T-shirt a vendor was selling. All I can think is... women walk around half naked all the time (at the con), there are all night parties and drinking and.... that they have the luxury of complaining for days on the email list about just a T-Shirt.... if that isn't evidence of an utter lack of a real issue, then I don't know what is.
Anything large enough, involving enough people is going to have some issues. Not every issue someone can imagine needs to be a call to arms.
Ok... I am out of my depth here but lets give this a try....
Increase in energy = Increase in Mass according to the ratio we get from: E=mc^2
But the core is at the center of the earth. So.... some amount of mass is converted to energy, I am ok with that but, isn't that energy mostly absorbed into the surrounding core and layers of earth around it? Wouldn't that mitigate what would otherwise be a net loss in mass? Or is this 16 tonnes the amount that escapes as neutrinos or some other manner?
I really am no fan of copyright, or even government for that matter, so whether people break the law or not is one to me. Unless the crime involves violence, the threat of it, fraud, that sort of thing.... then I really don't care, at all, whether the law even exists, much less gets followed, by anyone. In fact, I don't even see why such laws are seen as legitimate at all....no group of people has any more right over others than an individual has. They may have more might, and more power to force their will, but, no more right to do so in my eyes.
Anyway... I digress.... I agree totally with your sentiment. Now, I have money, I can afford this "content". I don't pirate it hardly ever (only a few circumstances, if I was testing file sharing software to see how accessible stuff really is, if its something I can't find elsewhere for any price, if its something I already bought and paid for but can't otherwise access (scratched dvd, game whose company is out of business) ). I see no morality to it, I just like to support content producers and, don't need the hassle.
That said.... my consumption of that media has dropped. I maybe watch the equivalent of an hour of TV/Movies a week...and let me tell you, I feel better for it. Its all so much crap. It is crack. Its a waste of time. Fine to unwind now and again.... but its pretty clear how bad it can be to make it a habbit.
Its like I always say when people mention drugs.... drugs don't make you stupid. They don't make you lazy. Doing nothing but drugs makes you stupid and lazy. You can substitute nearly any single activity for drugs in that. Its a simple deduction from how the mind works.... the mental activities that you do often, you get good at, the ones you don't, don't get maintained as well. If all you do is consume entertaining media... you are asking for atrophy.
I believe you can enter, but a purchase is necessary. You have to buy at least a representative or two, if not a senator. Have to check for the specific contest. Afterall... thats how all this military stuff works.None of it is for our benefit, just the benefit of those who profit off war. The last thing we should even be considering is war with Iran.
We need to take responsibility for our role in letting relations get this bad, and stop treating them like a bunch of children. They want the ability to refine uranium....good for them. Its their uranium, their absolute right to mine it from the ground and process it as they see fit. Its high time we recognize that respect goes two ways and demanding that the other guy drop the ACT first is childish.
no its not. Actually, its the sort of trivia that has no bearing on anything any of these people would work on. There really is no need to know that its not odourless in very high concentrations... so its unsurprising that they didn't know it. In fact, the properties of these gasses are so well documented, that really there is little need to do any testing on them directly (and thats what lab techs or post grads are for anyway, isn't it?)
I mean seriously, you can give people shit for not checking their references when writing articles and papers, but some things, like basic color/odor properties of CO2 that nobody is going to bother looking up.
I mean, if it was a relevant fact, sure, but, even mentioning those properties is window dressing. Its more on the level of using a common misattribution of a pithy quote.
Which is in now way intended to defend anything else about what sounds to me like the same rehashed garbage that I have seen before.
> 2 Years seems a bit drastic, when a month or two would have been better for preventing polarization. As an American, of course, I find this antithetical to > my values, but I don't have as much of a stake in British law.
I dunno, it bothers me when human rights are violated, wherever it happens, and whatever excuses are used for it.
Aside from that...I was thinking about taking a trip over to London in the next few years. Those plans just changed...permanently. I wont step foot in a place that will arrest people for intellectual curiosity. Period.
Things may have been like this for a long time.... but this is the first i heard of it... the UK just sunk to "just a bit better than Saudi Arabia" in my mind.
States are fictional entities that result from such agreements. All of the signing parties of the state constitutions are already dead too.
Its one thing for a private organisation consisting of its own member surviving its creators, since new members voluntarily join and agree to the agreement. When that agreement is supposed to represent the will of the people, and new members are not voluntary joiners, that such agreements should need to be renewed with every generation.
ROTFL its amusing that you say they are doing it NOW.
I came into Magic around the end of 4th edition, and the practice was already standard and accepted. Of course, we normally did it by taking a land card and writting the name of the card it was a proxy for.
Tournament rules have generally required (has this changed) that you be able to produce the original card for each proxy, because clearly, owning the physical card is what makes it ok. We can't have just anyone using any card you know.
> If you don't like it, why don't you petition to have it amended? The document can be changed whenever desired (and has been changed 27 times).
Because i have better things to do with my time than waste it trying, in vain, to fix something that realistically can't be fixed, and this is pretty far down on the list of problems I have with the document. Not the least of which is, I already see it as illegitimate. I mean...how can an agreement really still be in force when all of its parties are dead? Even if they weren't, I see no reason to believe that anything would ever be ratified by a body which would remove powers from the same. Such change is so ridiculously unlikely that even talking about it is on par with what you will do when you are the first person in recorded history to hit every spot in a 20 digit keno bet.
This government is nothing but bread and circus. It is a farcical to call it a republic or democracy. Though, ok, ill put my blinders back on just for a second and play:
> In the past Kings, prime ministers, and governors used the police in order to arrest & detain Representatives from reaching the parliament of > legislature. That way they could get the vote desired.
And now they retain control by just rigging who can get on the ballot to prevent anyone too undesirable (or at least more than an insignificant handful of them) out. It is no more legitimate now than it was then.
Besides, just because you have stopped one type of abuse, doesn't mean you have not created far worst. For example...what about, like in this case, where the person in question wasn't performing his duties officially, wasn't on his way to congress for a vote? I see no reason at all why any sort of immunity should be extended. Maybe...maybe... for the EXTREMELY NARROW purpose of getting to the chambers to vote but.... not immunity from any prosecution.
Add that to the list of reasons I consider this document too inadequate to pass muster as a legitimate foundation for government, that and it was ratified by people who are all dead. How can it possibly have any legitimate force? Ridiculous.
The same people who would pay for enforcing a ban. The same ones who pay for the current prohibitionist policies that are failing and filling up prisons. Who pays for those prohibitions, you anonymous coward.
There is a big difference between being rational and being informed. Clearly you don't understand that, as you told me to get educated and stop pushing lies, elsewhere, leading me to think that you feel there is some sort of choice to be ignorant at work here.
You have better information...fine, good, thanks for the link. Is this the one you were pointing me at because I will go read it now, but to accuse people of being irrational for not being as informed as you like to claim to be is hardly helpful.
There is no problem that can't be solved by the heavy hand and jack booted heel of government. Fuck educating people....just ban it all. Thats totally going to work this time. Just like it did for alcohol and drugs.
Sucrose is a glocose and fructose molecules stuck together. It is rapidly decomposed in the body into.... Glucose and Fructose. So... your body turns sucrose into HFCS. In fact, HFCS was formulated to be similar to sugar that way...on purpose.
So... HFCS is exactly the same as sucrose for most purposes.
However, GI is not the whole story. I highly recomend Lustig's talk on fructose as a poison for a more in-depth discussion (find it on youtube).
Short version.... carbs mostly degrade into glucose over time. every cell of the body, every bacteria, they all process glucose.
Your liver also processes carbs, some of it turns into glucogon, some into vLDL. The difference between fructose and glucose is.... only about 8% of ingested glucose is processed by the liver, whereas 90% of fructose is. Which means much higher vLDL levels (thats the "bad cholesterol" clogging arteries and all that good stuff).
In addition to that, its metabolism also interferes with leptin. This is probably the really important part. Because, leptin is the signal to your brain to supress hunger. It says "done eating, we have enough food". So, this fits in perfectly with studies that showed that a person who drinks a soda (thats takes in hundreds of calories) before a meal actually eats more...which is the opposite of what one would expect from a functioning feedback mechanism.
So not only does sugar/HFCS increase bad cholesterol, and make fat beyond that which other carbs (which mostly turn into glucose) do AND induces a person to eat more.... compounding the issue.
Now... its estimated that the average daily intake of sugar has gone from about 15 g/day (usually with fiber, as most natural sugar sources have fiber too) to over 65 g/day without fiber.
Oh and alcohol? Its a carb too. In fact, there is little difference, to the liver, between alcohol and sugar. Calorie for calorie, they almost have the same effect on the liver.
Yes and no. Look at it again and you will see this is a more extreme version.
This isn't just about top or bottom fermenting. Certainly, top fermenters are being culled here but, so are many bottoms. This isn't just "does it fall" but "how fast does it fall".
Imagine this.... mix up some wort (yes, I am a brewer too). Pitch your yeast... wait 12 hours, then take the bottom yeast. Rinse and repeat.
So now, you have a real selective pressure. Before...all yeast that could live or made it to the bottom would live and reproduce. Now we are only taking those that fall within 12 hours. So even bottom fermenters that are still active up top or in the middle for a while are being deselected. Much more extreme.
it makes sense... clumps settle faster, so putting a time pressure on the selection greatly improves the selection for clumps vs single cells.
Or what I should have said is...your interpretation contradicts the story. Never once in that video does Jobs say that this is where the name came from.
This story is also more in line with the stories that I was reading back in the mid 90s on this very topic, though leaves out some of the details of those stories that told of how much trouble they were having coming up with a name.
Overall, I am more inclined to believe the real engineer turned teacher over the salesman/visionary type.
Well, isn't any number less than the number he would have killed had he been allowed to die of natural causes, by definition, an improvement?
The tool is what it is, if it is anything, of course. Leaving aside whether this may actually be meaningfull, the attempt here is to figure out how to apportion resources towards actually catching a serial killer. You have to consider it in that context. These crimes are happening, and will continue to happen, whether anything is done or not. There are limits to the resources that can be put in all "crime fighting" activities.
I think you are right but.... programmers hardly deserve to be singled out.
How about this... most people in most jobs don't understand what other people really do, and underestimate what is really involved. In fact, I think this ties in with some research from a few years ago on competence: The incompetent rate their own skills higher than the competent. The competent, know how much they don't know, whereas the incompetent, think they know everything already.... because they don't know.
The extreme of this is someone who doesn't do the job at all... a salesman looks at what a programmer does and has the same thoughts, it looks easy for him, he bags stuff out in a few days...
A few years back I was getting together with a salesman and another tech guy, I was more systems with some interest in writing code, he was more of a coder with the chops to take on the project, the salesman was, a salesman. Clearly I don't understand what they do very well but, the whole project broke down because we didn't understand eachother.
It was to be our first project, we looked over the requirements, figured that it would take us about 100 hours or so between the two of us, had a meeting or two, and our sales man comes back, after meeting with the customer.... and came back saying he agreed to do it for a number so low ball that our jaws dropped, to which he said "come on, you guys will bang it out over a weekend."
Ahh well there is the difference, you may drop water...but they launched the ipad with an external gravitational acceleration engine. The whole case story is just a cover to make it seem like it worked. It was actually a complete failure as the computer models, based on dropping frictionless point masses, roughly equivalent to that of an ipad, indicated that it should continue to gain velocity until the engine shut down, but, somehow it stopped accelerating early due to some unseen force.
I find it fascinating that you agree to things that I did not say. I said that, if culpability were to come into the picture, then suicides are more cupapble for their situation than many drivers. HOWEVER I don't think culpability is what matters, I think it doesn't belong in the issue.
>... in which case you're just talking about "social charity" essentially... which is admirable, but not really relevant to the topics here.
No... thats where you are wrong...since my analogy is supposed to be an analogy for "the people" "the government" "the taxpayers" whatever you want to call it. So yes, social charity is a more applicable model here.
I am saying the discussion of what the taxpayers are willing to pay for is, and should be, a completely different discussion from that of what behaviour is allowed. That is...its ok to say "We pay for this" or "We pay for that" but...its wrong to say "You must behave this way because we pay for this".
No...it happened to someone I know.... lets be less coy about it.... it happened to... my sister. I have seen her have panic attacks trying to wear a seat belt (she is over it now, but it took a few years).
Believe it or not if you like but... I didn't get the story from the incident or third hand about someone's cousin.
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Yes a no-brainer as in, you would have to not have any brains to think its needed.
That tends to be the problem with security... people are willing to let it cost whatever it does, and expanding it always makes some amount of sense... its nearly always possible to dream up more, to find gaps etc.
The thing is...where is the problem you are trying to solve? Do you claim that public transit is currently not safe? Really? Based on what? Where is the actual problem?
I am on the staff list for a Sci Fi Con where people have been up in arms about "rape culture" over some T-shirt a vendor was selling. All I can think is... women walk around half naked all the time (at the con), there are all night parties and drinking and.... that they have the luxury of complaining for days on the email list about just a T-Shirt.... if that isn't evidence of an utter lack of a real issue, then I don't know what is.
Anything large enough, involving enough people is going to have some issues. Not every issue someone can imagine needs to be a call to arms.
Ok... I am out of my depth here but lets give this a try....
Increase in energy = Increase in Mass according to the ratio we get from: E=mc^2
But the core is at the center of the earth. So.... some amount of mass is converted to energy, I am ok with that but, isn't that energy mostly absorbed into the surrounding core and layers of earth around it? Wouldn't that mitigate what would otherwise be a net loss in mass? Or is this 16 tonnes the amount that escapes as neutrinos or some other manner?
Or am I just plain missing something?
I really am no fan of copyright, or even government for that matter, so whether people break the law or not is one to me. Unless the crime involves violence, the threat of it, fraud, that sort of thing.... then I really don't care, at all, whether the law even exists, much less gets followed, by anyone. In fact, I don't even see why such laws are seen as legitimate at all....no group of people has any more right over others than an individual has. They may have more might, and more power to force their will, but, no more right to do so in my eyes.
Anyway... I digress.... I agree totally with your sentiment. Now, I have money, I can afford this "content". I don't pirate it hardly ever (only a few circumstances, if I was testing file sharing software to see how accessible stuff really is, if its something I can't find elsewhere for any price, if its something I already bought and paid for but can't otherwise access (scratched dvd, game whose company is out of business) ). I see no morality to it, I just like to support content producers and, don't need the hassle.
That said.... my consumption of that media has dropped. I maybe watch the equivalent of an hour of TV/Movies a week...and let me tell you, I feel better for it. Its all so much crap. It is crack. Its a waste of time. Fine to unwind now and again.... but its pretty clear how bad it can be to make it a habbit.
Its like I always say when people mention drugs.... drugs don't make you stupid. They don't make you lazy. Doing nothing but drugs makes you stupid and lazy. You can substitute nearly any single activity for drugs in that. Its a simple deduction from how the mind works.... the mental activities that you do often, you get good at, the ones you don't, don't get maintained as well. If all you do is consume entertaining media... you are asking for atrophy.
I believe you can enter, but a purchase is necessary. You have to buy at least a representative or two, if not a senator. Have to check for the specific contest. Afterall... thats how all this military stuff works.None of it is for our benefit, just the benefit of those who profit off war. The last thing we should even be considering is war with Iran.
We need to take responsibility for our role in letting relations get this bad, and stop treating them like a bunch of children. They want the ability to refine uranium....good for them. Its their uranium, their absolute right to mine it from the ground and process it as they see fit. Its high time we recognize that respect goes two ways and demanding that the other guy drop the ACT first is childish.
no its not. Actually, its the sort of trivia that has no bearing on anything any of these people would work on. There really is no need to know that its not odourless in very high concentrations... so its unsurprising that they didn't know it. In fact, the properties of these gasses are so well documented, that really there is little need to do any testing on them directly (and thats what lab techs or post grads are for anyway, isn't it?)
I mean seriously, you can give people shit for not checking their references when writing articles and papers, but some things, like basic color/odor properties of CO2 that nobody is going to bother looking up.
I mean, if it was a relevant fact, sure, but, even mentioning those properties is window dressing. Its more on the level of using a common misattribution of a pithy quote.
Which is in now way intended to defend anything else about what sounds to me like the same rehashed garbage that I have seen before.
> 2 Years seems a bit drastic, when a month or two would have been better for preventing polarization. As an American, of course, I find this antithetical to
> my values, but I don't have as much of a stake in British law.
I dunno, it bothers me when human rights are violated, wherever it happens, and whatever excuses are used for it.
Aside from that...I was thinking about taking a trip over to London in the next few years. Those plans just changed...permanently. I wont step foot in a place that will arrest people for intellectual curiosity. Period.
Things may have been like this for a long time.... but this is the first i heard of it... the UK just sunk to "just a bit better than Saudi Arabia" in my mind.
States are fictional entities that result from such agreements. All of the signing parties of the state constitutions are already dead too.
Its one thing for a private organisation consisting of its own member surviving its creators, since new members voluntarily join and agree to the agreement. When that agreement is supposed to represent the will of the people, and new members are not voluntary joiners, that such agreements should need to be renewed with every generation.
ROTFL its amusing that you say they are doing it NOW.
I came into Magic around the end of 4th edition, and the practice was already standard and accepted. Of course, we normally did it by taking a land card and writting the name of the card it was a proxy for.
Tournament rules have generally required (has this changed) that you be able to produce the original card for each proxy, because clearly, owning the physical card is what makes it ok. We can't have just anyone using any card you know.
> If you don't like it, why don't you petition to have it amended? The document can be changed whenever desired (and has been changed 27 times).
Because i have better things to do with my time than waste it trying, in vain, to fix something that realistically can't be fixed, and this is pretty far down on the list of problems I have with the document. Not the least of which is, I already see it as illegitimate. I mean...how can an agreement really still be in force when all of its parties are dead? Even if they weren't, I see no reason to believe that anything would ever be ratified by a body which would remove powers from the same. Such change is so ridiculously unlikely that even talking about it is on par with what you will do when you are the first person in recorded history to hit every spot in a 20 digit keno bet.
This government is nothing but bread and circus. It is a farcical to call it a republic or democracy. Though, ok, ill put my blinders back on just for a second and play:
> In the past Kings, prime ministers, and governors used the police in order to arrest & detain Representatives from reaching the parliament of
> legislature. That way they could get the vote desired.
And now they retain control by just rigging who can get on the ballot to prevent anyone too undesirable (or at least more than an insignificant handful of them) out. It is no more legitimate now than it was then.
Besides, just because you have stopped one type of abuse, doesn't mean you have not created far worst. For example...what about, like in this case, where the person in question wasn't performing his duties officially, wasn't on his way to congress for a vote? I see no reason at all why any sort of immunity should be extended. Maybe...maybe... for the EXTREMELY NARROW purpose of getting to the chambers to vote but.... not immunity from any prosecution.
Add that to the list of reasons I consider this document too inadequate to pass muster as a legitimate foundation for government, that and it was ratified by people who are all dead. How can it possibly have any legitimate force? Ridiculous.
The same people who would pay for enforcing a ban. The same ones who pay for the current prohibitionist policies that are failing and filling up prisons. Who pays for those prohibitions, you anonymous coward.
There is a big difference between being rational and being informed. Clearly you don't understand that, as you told me to get educated and stop pushing lies, elsewhere, leading me to think that you feel there is some sort of choice to be ignorant at work here.
You have better information...fine, good, thanks for the link. Is this the one you were pointing me at because I will go read it now, but to accuse people of being irrational for not being as informed as you like to claim to be is hardly helpful.
Yes. Absolutely. Siege Hiel!
There is no problem that can't be solved by the heavy hand and jack booted heel of government. Fuck educating people....just ban it all. Thats totally going to work this time. Just like it did for alcohol and drugs.
Not true.... Cane sugar is sucrose. Sucrose is rapidly decomposed into fructose and glucose in the body. So sugar is equivalent to HFCS in every way.
yup, but you are not alone.
Sucrose is a glocose and fructose molecules stuck together. It is rapidly decomposed in the body into.... Glucose and Fructose. So... your body turns sucrose into HFCS. In fact, HFCS was formulated to be similar to sugar that way...on purpose.
So... HFCS is exactly the same as sucrose for most purposes.
However, GI is not the whole story. I highly recomend Lustig's talk on fructose as a poison for a more in-depth discussion (find it on youtube).
Short version.... carbs mostly degrade into glucose over time. every cell of the body, every bacteria, they all process glucose.
Your liver also processes carbs, some of it turns into glucogon, some into vLDL. The difference between fructose and glucose is.... only about 8% of ingested glucose is processed by the liver, whereas 90% of fructose is. Which means much higher vLDL levels (thats the "bad cholesterol" clogging arteries and all that good stuff).
In addition to that, its metabolism also interferes with leptin. This is probably the really important part. Because, leptin is the signal to your brain to supress hunger. It says "done eating, we have enough food". So, this fits in perfectly with studies that showed that a person who drinks a soda (thats takes in hundreds of calories) before a meal actually eats more...which is the opposite of what one would expect from a functioning feedback mechanism.
So not only does sugar/HFCS increase bad cholesterol, and make fat beyond that which other carbs (which mostly turn into glucose) do AND induces a person to eat more.... compounding the issue.
Now... its estimated that the average daily intake of sugar has gone from about 15 g/day (usually with fiber, as most natural sugar sources have fiber too) to over 65 g/day without fiber.
Oh and alcohol? Its a carb too. In fact, there is little difference, to the liver, between alcohol and sugar. Calorie for calorie, they almost have the same effect on the liver.
Yes and no. Look at it again and you will see this is a more extreme version.
This isn't just about top or bottom fermenting. Certainly, top fermenters are being culled here but, so are many bottoms. This isn't just "does it fall" but "how fast does it fall".
Imagine this.... mix up some wort (yes, I am a brewer too). Pitch your yeast... wait 12 hours, then take the bottom yeast. Rinse and repeat.
So now, you have a real selective pressure. Before...all yeast that could live or made it to the bottom would live and reproduce. Now we are only taking those that fall within 12 hours. So even bottom fermenters that are still active up top or in the middle for a while are being deselected. Much more extreme.
it makes sense... clumps settle faster, so putting a time pressure on the selection greatly improves the selection for clumps vs single cells.
Or what I should have said is...your interpretation contradicts the story. Never once in that video does Jobs say that this is where the name came from.
Of course....while it sounds great.... It completely contradicts what Steve Wozniak has to say about it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFdX29mVrxA
This story is also more in line with the stories that I was reading back in the mid 90s on this very topic, though leaves out some of the details of those stories that told of how much trouble they were having coming up with a name.
Overall, I am more inclined to believe the real engineer turned teacher over the salesman/visionary type.
Well, isn't any number less than the number he would have killed had he been allowed to die of natural causes, by definition, an improvement?
The tool is what it is, if it is anything, of course. Leaving aside whether this may actually be meaningfull, the attempt here is to figure out how to apportion resources towards actually catching a serial killer. You have to consider it in that context. These crimes are happening, and will continue to happen, whether anything is done or not. There are limits to the resources that can be put in all "crime fighting" activities.
I think you are right but.... programmers hardly deserve to be singled out.
How about this... most people in most jobs don't understand what other people really do, and underestimate what is really involved. In fact, I think this ties in with some research from a few years ago on competence: The incompetent rate their own skills higher than the competent. The competent, know how much they don't know, whereas the incompetent, think they know everything already.... because they don't know.
The extreme of this is someone who doesn't do the job at all... a salesman looks at what a programmer does and has the same thoughts, it looks easy for him, he bags stuff out in a few days...
A few years back I was getting together with a salesman and another tech guy, I was more systems with some interest in writing code, he was more of a coder with the chops to take on the project, the salesman was, a salesman. Clearly I don't understand what they do very well but, the whole project broke down because we didn't understand eachother.
It was to be our first project, we looked over the requirements, figured that it would take us about 100 hours or so between the two of us, had a meeting or two, and our sales man comes back, after meeting with the customer.... and came back saying he agreed to do it for a number so low ball that our jaws dropped, to which he said "come on, you guys will bang it out over a weekend."
Ahh well there is the difference, you may drop water...but they launched the ipad with an external gravitational acceleration engine. The whole case story is just a cover to make it seem like it worked. It was actually a complete failure as the computer models, based on dropping frictionless point masses, roughly equivalent to that of an ipad, indicated that it should continue to gain velocity until the engine shut down, but, somehow it stopped accelerating early due to some unseen force.
Well... at first I saw the story of this guy and thought "Maybe he is a spy? If he is, then guess what, we kill spies too"....
Now I see, he is not a spie, he is a PR guy..... death is way too good for such a man.
I find it fascinating that you agree to things that I did not say. I said that, if culpability were to come into the picture, then suicides are more cupapble for their situation than many drivers. HOWEVER I don't think culpability is what matters, I think it doesn't belong in the issue.
> ... in which case you're just talking about "social charity" essentially... which is admirable, but not really relevant to the topics here.
No... thats where you are wrong...since my analogy is supposed to be an analogy for "the people" "the government" "the taxpayers" whatever you want to call it. So yes, social charity is a more applicable model here.
I am saying the discussion of what the taxpayers are willing to pay for is, and should be, a completely different discussion from that of what behaviour is allowed. That is...its ok to say "We pay for this" or "We pay for that" but...its wrong to say "You must behave this way because we pay for this".
Did I say I "heard a story" or "read a story"?
No...it happened to someone I know.... lets be less coy about it.... it happened to... my sister. I have seen her have panic attacks trying to wear a seat belt (she is over it now, but it took a few years).
Believe it or not if you like but... I didn't get the story from the incident or third hand about someone's cousin.
When some other country gets caught trying to spy on the US in this manner.
How loudly do you think the war drums would beat if Iran launched something like this into our country? Pakistan? China?