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Pirate Bay To Offer Physical Item Downloads
lukehopewell1 writes "The Pirate Bay is offering users the chance to download and print out real objects using 3D printers in what the pirate site is hailing as 'the future.'" Amir Taaki mentions that among the new "physibles" uploaded to the Pirate Bay are "plans for a tabletop replica for a Warhammer 40k dreadnought that got taken down in December with a DMCA request." Downloadable 3D models have been around for a while; MakerBot users are probably all familiar with the Thingiverse. Couple TPB with a cheap method of accurate 3D scanning, though, and I wonder what illegal shapes will emerge.
I want to download a car!
Colin Dean Go a year without DRM
"You wouldn't download a car"
Screw you, I can soon!
Those "You wouldn't download a car, would you?" warnings on the beginning of DVD's are going to be funny when people actually are downloading cars...
For the record, I totally would.
That's the one thing I'm not sure of. I'm all for downloading one, but where can I get a VIN to make it street legal?
It will all be willies and vajay-jays.
How about a statue of a man resembling Steve Jobs?
What's the first thing with any new tech? Porn! So, 3D printers will be used to make sex toys.
If telephones are outlawed, then only outlaws will have telephones.
In some states, certain shapes may only be downloaded as an "adult novelty item".
When can I download Jenna Haze?
I wanna download an A-bomb!
It's dildos all the way down.
Is it just me, or do you hate it when people say "Is it just me..."?
I look forward to being able to download a 3D model of an LP, that I can play on my turntable. Take that, RIAA!
This calls to mind Corey Doctorow's short story "Printcrime".
Download what is supposed to be a car, end up with a literal bag of dicks...this is gonna bring trolling to a whole new level!
Thingiverse has already suffered several takedowns of allegedlycopyrighted materials.
Also, they recently overhauled their site, and somhow made it EVEN WORSE, when it was already pretty intolerable.
- Lock picks
- That crowbar-like tool for breaking into cars
- bombs
- guns
- drug pipes
- micky mouse ears
etc
Rick Astley?
"No fear. No envy. No meanness." Liam Clancy
The mere idea that there is such a thing as an illegal shape is offensive.
JigJag
"The hallmark of humanity is the ability to move beyond sensory inputs" - Mary Helen Immordino-Yang
You know you could download life size porn dolls or something. Maybe send a picture out of someone and it would send you a physible to make a look alike!!
How is this different from what they're already doing?
It's just another file format. WHOA, BIG DEAL!
Idiocy.
Knowledge is power; knowledge shared is power lost.
Wow, I can finally own stuff not made in China!
-- By all means let's be open-minded, but not so open-minded that our brains drop out.
I was discussing this with my brother about a year back. We were in the store looking at this warhammer stuff, and I remarked that these dye-cast figures aren't any more complicated (probably less so) than hotwheels. Yet peopel are paying $5 a piece for them, or getting special sets of "rare" pieces for over $50. I was saying that eventually people would just be printing their own models on 3D printers. I guess the future is here. And good for it. I always thought some of these games were a little odd. Things like Magic Cards. Who-ever spends the most on their deck has a huge advantage over everyone else. Sure there's skill involved at some level, in knowing which cards to put in the deck in the first place, but a lot of it is spending money obtaining that deck. I would be like playing chess, where one player had all queens because he had spent a bunch of money.
Anthropic principle: We see the universe the way it is because if it were different we would not be here to see it.
Why doesn't someone offer a legal online movie rental service that's ultra cheap ... way cheaper than iTunes or even netflix.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-sale_doctrine
"The first-sale doctrine is a limitation on copyright that was recognized by the Supreme Court of the United States in 1908 (see Bobbs-Merrill Co. v. Straus) and subsequently codified in the Copyright Act of 1976, 17 U.S.C. 109. The doctrine allows the purchaser to transfer (i.e., sell, lend or give away) a particular lawfully made copy of the copyrighted work without permission once it has been obtained. This means that the copyright holder's rights to control the change of ownership of a particular copy ends once ownership of that copy has passed to someone else, as long as the copy itself is not an infringing copy. This doctrine is also referred to as the "right of first sale," "first sale rule," or "exhaustion rule.""
This should means that a store can buy a movie and rent it out online for as little as 25 cents .. as long as it does not retain a copy. How is that feasible as a business model? Simple .. do it the similar to how DVD rental kiosks work. Temporarily authorize the credit card for the full price of the movie --say ..19.95 .. then when the rental period is over .. "buy back" the full movie for $19.70 .. This would make it possible to legally rent out movies for dirt cheap. In theory movie companies shouldn't get overly pissed off at the concept either because they can always either increase the price of the first sale and they can expect more movie watching and growth for the industry.
Hopefully it makes a giant leap for the homemade printing industry.
It is much, MUCH more efficient than sending off huge bunches of objects in cardboard boxes with plastic / foil wrappers with paper descriptions and whatever other materials that are quite literally waste.
It'd be much better to distribute resources that could be assembled in as many places as possible than have it produced at few areas and sent out in huge trucks.
So much space in trucks is wasted on wrappers and air, which is just stupid.
One day, thanks to the research by those few teams we have heard about on here recently, we'll even be able to print our food. It might be very basic, but it can be made incredibly healthy and intelligently designed with higher than normal nutrient counts than raw food.
Meals... they might take a while longer since they are pretty complex. I think of it more of a way of printing new and unique base ingredients to be used for producing meals. Let's wait for replicators to produce meals.
Exciting times.
Brb, printing a car. Expect to be finished in a few years.
I don't own a 3D printer, so I think the first item i'd download is one of them!
When all else fails, you've won.
When this technology matures to include ceramics and sintered metals that can be fired to produce an object OTHER than red plastic, I can imagine a lot more sinister uses .. guns for example.
As an adult, I realize how difficult it would be to invent a replicator due to the IP law involved.
You think SOPA/PIPA are bad, just wait until the likes of Nike, McDonalds, and deBeers get involved...
The output of the 3d printers will be made of a completely different substance than the specialized car parts. The different substance will likely have different heat and pressure tolerances, different tensile strength, and so on. It probably won't work, and could cause damage.
First off, what is your credit card processing fee? There is a reason Apple isn't laughing all of the way to the bank with iTunes but the credit companies ARE laughing their ass off. It all depends on your size and your risks (chargebacks) but gosh darn, you might be suprised that your 25 cent fee ends up mostly at the credit card company. That is nobody does a charge back and you have to pay anywhere up from ten bucks for it. With your 25 cents, 1 chargeback costs you 40 paying customers, well it would IF you could use all their quarters to pay for the 1 chargeback, which you can't because other things will have to payed from it as I already stated.
Further more, you say the movie costs 20 bucks, even if rentals worked like that, which they don't, you need 80 paying customers (IF you could keep the entire quarter) just to break even. Meanwhile, your entire legal case rests on the fact that there is only ONE copy around for each possesion, so if 80 customers want the same movie at the same time, you need 80 x 20 bucks to satisfy demand. Now you need a total of 640 paying customers... IF you could keep the entire quarter which once again, you cannot.
I keep hammering on this because a lot of noobs to business think that money is free. You sell something and everything the customer pays, ends up in your pocket. Transaction costs HURT many a small business and is the reason you can't buy a nickle item with a credit card.
The most annoying thing is that this doesn't have to be the case, in the EU payments systems are far far cheaper per transaction, on the order of cents rather then quarters and are even free. Whenever I have to implement a CC solution because people in the EU thinks it will mean the world I find it very amusing to show them the fee structures. It is like telling a baby how their candy will be taken.
Oh, and those transaction costs, you have them DOUBLE. Two transactions... all to be payed out of 1 quarter dollar along with all your other costs.
You should put this in a business case and present it at your bank. They need a good laugh.
MMO Quests are like orgasms:
You may solo them, I prefer them in a group.
Earl Grey. Hot.
It will be a good source for ATM faceplates that skimmers can hide their gear under...
You cannot build a functional combustion engine out of any substance malleable enough to be usable by a cheap consumer-grade 3d printer.
Cars require metal parts, and metal parts require more powerful equipment to forge.
I'm excited to be that much closer to Star Trek-type replicators, even if we're still just a half-step into a long journey. Synthehol and hot Earl Grey tea, here I come!
Copyright and trademark infringement are common and this sort of thing has been a source of controversy for a while now.
But the next big blowup will be over things that are illegal in themselves just by their shape and arrangement of parts. I'm talking about things like weapons, drug paraphernalia, and pathogens. It's likely we'll see a crackdown or at least a panic resulting in calls for licensure of many of the most useful creation tools ever designed.
Take the humble AK-47 rifle, for example. It's designed for ease of manufacture, making it a likely target for replication. This makes enforcing highly restrictive gun laws very difficult in a world full of machines that can build them from simple raw materials.
Your design to a real part online: Big Blue Saw
and then make a mold in green sand.
Do any of these low-cost 3D printers improve substantially on the 1.3mm resolution and 25/kg material costs that I've seen? If not the toy industry has nothing to worry about (yet).
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Okay, we all like to play with our memes, (it's practically at that multi choice form), but isn't anyone seeing who else is really threatened?
Try the Toy industry! In one sense, toys are "sorta stupid", just big hunks of plastic with the computing power of a watch.
Bye bye $60 for some Sit and Spin thingie!
Oh dear skies alive, having the TOY lawyers playing with the media lawyers? *Cringe*
Plus this thing is gonna play hell with Patent vs. Copyright.
"Oh, the patent expired? Let's copyright the Replicator Formula for 100 years!"
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How disappointing, I was hoping that it was a model of the British 1906 battleship HMS Dreadnought . Oh, well.
Is there a good place to start for someone just wanting to get into 3d printing? What is the cost of printer and material?
DNA synthesizers are. Guess TPB is going to have seeds for Ebola sequence in ten years and soon be labeled a terrorist site after that.
I mean, why not start with, say, a basic template for that sort of figure, and add in your own detail with a 3d modelling program, and create an original figure that you can then "print" out and utilize? I mean, what on earth makes having a duplicate of that particular figure so worthwhile that one should be inclined to even *want* to copy it?
I know if I had that sort of tech at home, I'd be making all kinds of customization to figures, rather than wanting to duplicate something that somebody else has done. And while granted, not everybody has the time or the inclination to want to do that sort of thing, I still find myself at a loss to understand why a person would rather copy something commercial than something somebody else might have made for free. Especially considering that home 3d printers generally can't actually do the kinds of fine detail that typically goes into metal figures of that size.
File under 'M' for 'Manic ranting'
I know
A- Ceramic engines exist, and have lots of advantages over steel engines in the high end department
B- Consumer grade printers can produce things out of ceramic
real question is, what resolution is required....
every day http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Random
Maybe the thing that needs to be questioned is this bit of generic advice? Assuming this technology takes off just what changes do the auto makers have to make to keep their business model current with what the internet thinks it should be? And lets ignore for a second that most of the internet would be incapable of running a lemonade stand, let alone a multi-billion dollar corporation.
About five years ago I was forced to abandon development of a project I started called 'Vassal 40k', under threat of legal action by Games Workshop. After I received the takedown request I deleted all files I had that pertained to the project, removed all links to it from sites I was hosting, and terminated the bit torrent seeds on my fileserver.
A few minutes ago I found a torrent for Vassal 40k on Pirate Bay.
Since I include complete source in all my distributions, it was easy for different people over the years to take over the project and add new stuff. Every few months while browsing the web I will find a video on youtube of people playing, or read a blog where someone has used it to write a battle report. Several times over the years I almost downloaded it. Then I imagine that having those files on my computer might be enough justification for armed men to kick down my door and take everything I own at gunpoint.
The incident has left me with little desire to play Warhammer 40k, but I do not support the actions of Pirate Bay. As a developer I believe that the rights of copyright holders should be respected. I publish my personal projects under Open Source licenses and would be pretty mad if I found out someone was in violation. I honestly think that Vassal 40k, the project I spent months of my time coding, testing, and creating art for, should be taken down off Pirate Bay and people should never use it again.
If Games Workshop does not want us spending our time developing games for their IP as fans, we shouldn't. Instead spend our time creating our own original open source game content as competitors.
Dungeon Tactics : Free Open Source SRPG
There's no copyright issue for functional parts under US law. That's why there's a third-party auto parts industry.
I wish 3D printing was more useful. It's currently at "fast, good, cheap - pick one". The consumer-grade machines make little things from ABS, with visible row lines, slowly. The really good machines make working parts from titanium, cost millions, and take forever. The midrange machines cost about $50K and make OK plastic parts, slowly, with a high consumables cost.
Milling machines can do many of the same jobs. The main advantage of 3D printing is that the work-holding problem isn't so bad. Most of the headaches in machining come from having to hold the part on surfaces that aren't being machined in the currrent operation, then having to re-clamp the part and precisely align it.
I'm sorry but the Pirate Bay is no longer a 'Pirate Site.' They handed in their cutlasses a long time ago.
"Men willingly believe what they wish." - Julius Caesar
it will only take a malicious virus to print a malicious robot to maliciously kill your family in your sleep...no thanks.
Thought there was supposed to be seven items?
the only way to enter a plane in the future is to do so naked, without any carry-on luggage.
Remember kids, if you're not paying for the service, YOU ARE THE PRODUCT THAT IS BEING SOLD.
"Couple TPB with a cheap method of accurate 3D scanning, though, and I wonder what illegal shapes will emerge."
Lots and lots of phalluses.
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The rise of 3D printers is going to be the death of overpriced wargaming companies.
Why blow $50 on some Terminators when you can print out an entire pre-hersey legion of them?
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"Oh dear skies alive, having the TOY lawyers playing with the media lawyers? *Cringe*"
You meant the adult toy lawyers, right?
Imagine the Lego Projects you could do with this!
-- By all means let's be open-minded, but not so open-minded that our brains drop out.
"I wonder what illegal shapes will emerge."
The idea of an illegal shape is funny to me, but when we're all printing Shub-Niggurath figurines I'm sure I won't be laughing.
MOdders please
At last, Natalie Portman(s), naked and petrified for all who might want them!
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I was discussing 3D printing with the parts guy at the Honda dealership this morning. Like most people he had no clue that this tech even exists and what kind of impact it's going to be over the next 10 years. I told him it's only a matter of time before companies see downloadable 3D models as a threat and start trying to protect their designs. I also told him it won't be long before companies start screaming to have the patent laws extended like they are doing with copyright law.
*It's not what you can do for the Dark Side but what the Dark Side can do for you!*
One would hope you aren't going to fabricate something with your 3D printer then just stick it in there.
For a site about things like basic rights, Slashdot users sure do like to censor "dissent".
Am I the only person here who didn't know what the fuck that meant, looked it up and found it was about playing with plastic toys? I feel like I've stumbled into a Toys R Us forum.
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
Hate to upset everyone's apple cart but utilitarian designs are not subject to copyright. There may be other ways to protect such designs, but copyright is not it. Industrial designs are protected by design patents for the non-functional aspects. They are protected by patent if they have novelty and are an "invention." If a utilitarian products has unique design elements, it may become closely associated with a particular company and then it may be endowed with "secondary meaning" which would make it a trade dress violation to copy it. In short, this is not going to be the same "ballgame" as copying music.