Seriously, that is what everyone else is thinking right? I fully expect in the time I typed this that this story has gone from 0 comments to about 4 people beating me to mentioning stillsuits.
I think you are making a false analogy here. This isn't "a childs life" vs "Sleep" unless you assume that there is reason to believe that, at 4 am, a significant portion of the population may be on the roads and able to look (perhaps still stuck in traffic from the day before?)
What is the expectation that some portion of the population, from their vantage point in bed, is able to spot the vehicle?
So since there is no expectation it can help, why is the mere appearance of caring about a childs life more important than an entire cities sleep?
As long as the indefinite detentions, torture, warmonger and surveillance stop, I am ok with rebuilding from there. Thanks for your concern though. Wasn't too worried about the easily solved problems.
> The nice Midwesterners are the worst. The strongest disapproval they can amount to is "oh, that's > different" or "interesting". Bostonians on the other hand are seen as rude. But while they might > shout at you, they'd also stop their car at the pedestrian crossing, swearing if you don't cross fast > enough. In Minneapolis, they'd smile at you while they run you over. I for once rather had the "rude" > guy.
Being a Bostonian myself, I am told that the main difference with Midwesterners is that they consider sarcasm to be quite rude, whereas, here, you worry if someone doesn't give you a sarcastic answer.
Also, I have seldom seen anyone actually yell at a pedestrian; though many of our pedestrians could use a stern talking to about the total abandon at which they decide to cross the road. Not that I have any issue with Jaywalking, was brought up on it myself, but, I was at least taught to do it when nobody was coming, and not to saunter out into the road like the entire thing is an unsignaled cross walk. (and yes pedestrians: that don't walk sign actually means you don't have right of way, no, not even in the crosswalk...and while I am ranting, its yield to pedestrians IN the crosswalk, not 5 feet away from it, not standing on the sidewalk, IN THE CROSSWALK, and yes that means you should look up from your damned smartphone before you step off the curb into the side of my car...as one of our genious pedestrians almost did a few weeks ago.... now get off my lawn!)
> There is something to this. If you have an approved mechanism for intuitively detecting bombs they > you have probable cause to terminate a prospective bomber, and if your intuition is right more than > half the time on average, you're a hero. Since some few are more accurate with intuition and some > less, and the metrics are classified, you are free to open fire indiscriminately anywhere anywhen.
Half the time? Nah, I think you are overestimating how accurate you need to be, because, even if you find nothing, you can, like the scammer of these did, claim that it hit on some residue and you just got them at the wrong time.
In fact, this is very much the way drug dogs are used. Dogs, it turns out, have great snouts and can detect all manner of things, and do great in really blind trials. However, they are even better at playing "Clever Hans" ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clever_Hans ), that is, if the handler is given any clues as to where their might be hits, the animals false positive rate goes through the roof...in exactly the places where the handler expects to find something.
So.... dogs are great at finding bombs or drugs in random packages... but in one of their most common use cases, sniffing a suspects car, they are just about guaranteed a hit, because their handler is expecting one. A hit, that can be explained away and dismissed when nothing is found, so their real hit rate can be far lower than chance without bringing them into question.
One study used no drugs or explosives at all, but flagged several points with information for the handler indicating the type of hit expected to set his expectations. If the dogs were 100% effective, there would have been not a single hit amongst any of the trials...the results?
The findings, which Dr Lit reports in Animal Cognition, reveal that of 144 searches, only 21 were clean (no alerts). All the others raised one alert or more. In total, the teams raised 225 alerts, all of them false. While the sheer number of false alerts struck Dr Lit as fascinating, it was where they took place that was of greatest interest.
Yup, exactly, and that is exactly why my own company has a specific policy on the decommissioning of....hard drives. We don't toss servers out whole, we pull the damned drives, then who gives a fuck what you do with the chassis? I mean, of course we have a policy on how that is handled too, but its the hard drive one that matters.
For that matter.... should so many medical records have been on an unencrypted volume? Shit, store the encryption key backups centrally and put the key on a USB stick. Separate stick from drive, and you may as well have wiped it. Wipe the stick/backup and the drive *IS* wiped for all purposes.
Now, our policy is not so nuanced as to make that distinction....it all gets sent to a facility that physically shreds them. However, again, if its done properly, it would have prevented the leak whether it met policy or not....and the bigger, unwritten policy is.... don't end up in the news.
However, by that same token, it does protect from other things like stolen machines and hard drives. Years back, when I was a PC Tech at the hospital I got called to an Alzheimerâ(TM)s drug research lab, they had had a break-in and it was clear whoever came in was all over their computers. My guess was they did the physical damage to make it look like vandalism.... but it was clear they actually logged on to the machines, and the account they used to do it was an internal IS role account. I would bet money that these labs were not encrypting anything back then.
Yup, I have heard of that BS excuse to not need to impose jail time for people in government. It clearly doesn't work and needs to be rethought for that purpose.
Frankly, government corruption and incompetence is the only category of crime I support the death penalty for. Even a serial killer can only have so many victims. Maybe we can learn something from them over time...but... government employees? No, their org keeps on going, examples need to be made of them, they can hurt hundreds of thousands of people with a simple missstep like this. They need to be held to a higher standard than anyone else.
If a few people swung when this sort of fuckup came about so many people are put in harms way, I have no problem with publicly hanging the people involved.
It would set a perfect precedent for once people realize what damage other polices have done.
Really, I could have sworn I remembered that one from class, especially since we made a trip to that very restaurant. Then again, it wouldn't be the only thing I learned in school that later turned out to be in some way incorrect.
Then again, it could just be my memory is bad since it was um, a couple of years ago:)
I took french in High school, where consonant endings can run into the next word if it beings with a vowel sound (not just letter). In fact, even if the preceeding word has a silent consonant (the french seem to love silent consonants) they will pronounce it to make the connection.... So it always annoys me listening to the local NPR station as the restaurant "Chez Henri" is pronounced "Shay Enri", which would normally be correct for each word but, when taken together it should be pronounced more like a single word "ShayzEnri"
Yes seriously lol. Ok so my wife and I started playing Terreria, and he saw us on and wanted to join, so he came in, gave us a bunch of end game level equipment and was like "lets go fight bosses".
I was unable to impress upon him how, while running around with powerful end game equipment was fun for a bit, it wasn't really what we wanted to do.... its not really an adventure if the story starts with some character swooping in and handing the hero everything he needs; including the dragons head on a platter.
Don't get me wrong, I totally understand why he would think what we were doing was boring but, he didn't seem to get that it wasn't boring for us, as new players to the game. Trying to explain it was just painful.
A while back someone did some research and published it on keystroke logging via audio capture. They found they were able to reliably determine what someone was typing just from the sound of their typing. I have to imagine that would work here.
Do you know where this is explicitly defined. That was, of course, my understanding as well, but after your comment I decided to try and look up the definition of who could vote, and I couldn't find much other than that the states were supposed to figure out how to run elections.
I tried to check my own state constitution (which actually recognizes its citizens rights as listed in the Dec of Independence....its rare that such documents make me smile) and found precious little definition of such there either.
So I failed to even verify the "land owning" and "male" portions, though, I did find the portion where "other people" (slaves, indians, etc) are counted for representation portions as 3/5ths. (though, I actually found this to be somewhat less offensive than its normally represented; since it applies to all people who wouldn't be counted as citizens not just blacks or slaves, but residents)
Of course, I in no way doubt these, as its been a pretty consistent description of who could vote since I first studied the subject in school, but, I failed to find the specific definitions even for my own state at the time.
When more than half the people in prison are in for non-violent drug "crimes" (aka violation of their right to pursue happiness) I think the system is totally sick. I understand how we got here, I know all about the cost movtive, and I can think of no more of a corrupting influence. The justice system was never intended to be a meat grinder. It shouldn't be so efficient as to process so many cases.
At this point, I would argue we should do away with the plea entirely and remove the ability to waive ones right to a jury at all, because this is an absolutely terrible way to "fix" the system.
âoeChatbots tend to be very predictable. Their behavior and interest in a conversation are flat, which is a problem when attempting to detect untrustworthy targets like pedophilesâ
Maybe I am a bit jaded from recent experience but...
After spending some time this weekend trying to play an online video game with a relative of that age, I have trouble seeing the problem. Trying to explain to him how what he was doing in game was ruining the fun for my wife and I reminded me quite a bit of talking to a chatbot (it was every bit as effective)
> training all the kindergarten teachers to pack heat will not stop school violence, because bad people > will find a way, and you'll have new deaths that otherwise would not have occurred, because some > teacher will get fired and shoot up the teacher's lounge or a kid will get his hands on the teacher's > gun at some point.
actually, I want to preface this comment with the fact that I am more playing Devil's Advocate than proposing a serious solution. I agree entirely that this is a rare event with a minuscule chance of happening (a definite chance of happening somewhere at some time with a long enough time horizon, but, that is besides the point)
So, I don't think arming teachers HAS to mean giving them guns. Guns are great for self defence - #1 choice if you have to choose. However, they are not the be all and end all of every situation.
Imagine this, which would be cheaper and require less training: Shields and Batons, placed in emergency access enclosures that alarm the central office when opened. Place several of them in various classrooms throughout the school.
Would I want to face off against a gun toting assailent with a shield and baton? Hell No! Would I want to do it if I had other people assisting? Nope. However, if the choice is between that and being totally unarmed.... I will take the shield and baton every single time. I would rather not face off against an armed assailant at all, even with a gun, but, if he is going to take that choice away....
Training? Not really needed. The point is not making the school a hard point, the point is giving people a chance and giving them the ability to take away the shooters control of the situation; which, listening to criminal profilers talk about Sandy Hook makes me think may be helpful, as control of the situation seems to be a strong part of these shooters motivation. This was pointed out in response to how the shooter saw police, ran into a room, and shot himself rather than lose control of the situation.
In fact, I think a lot of the situation (and others) could be helped if Physical education was replaced wholesale with Martial arts training. In addition to all of the benefits (I haven't studied in years but I still appreciate the benefits I gained in terms of balance and general physical body awareness and control) it would lead to a less vulnerable society. Most of why these attacks are so successful is that people's first response is to run from danger and cower....which feeds right into the mentality of a portion of the people who do this sort of thing.
Edward Murphy proposed using electronic strain gauges attached to the restraining clamps of Stapp's harness to measure the force exerted on them by his rapid deceleration. Murphy was engaged in supporting similar research using high speed centrifuges to generate g-forces. Murphy's assistant wired the harness, and a trial was run using a chimpanzee.
The sensors provided a zero reading; however, it became apparent that they had been installed incorrectly, with each sensor wired backwards. It was at this point that a disgusted Murphy made his pronouncement
So this is potentially, very much related to the original usage.
Exactly. For me to use wireshark, I need to first use tcpdump to a capture file, then sftp the file out to an administrative box, then use another method to transfer it locally. Then, and only then, can I open it in wireshark. Just did it the other day, it was just what I needed at the time to show that the local box was acting properly and very likely return ack's were not making it back to the originating host. Great for that. Love it.
That said, I telnet to port 80 and type a quick http get command far more often. First it tells me the port is open, then it tells me the webserver is actually responding reasonably. It is faster than setting up the port forwards that I need to do the same test with a graphical tool, and quicker than another tool if I want to do something like, pass a different host header.
text based protocols are pretty useful, even if its behind ssl, it doesn't take long to learn how to type openssl s_client -connect
It is useful for http, it is useful for smtp, its useful.
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So how long before I can haz sillsuit?
Seriously, that is what everyone else is thinking right? I fully expect in the time I typed this that this story has gone from 0 comments to about 4 people beating me to mentioning stillsuits.
I think you are making a false analogy here. This isn't "a childs life" vs "Sleep" unless you assume that there is reason to believe that, at 4 am, a significant portion of the population may be on the roads and able to look (perhaps still stuck in traffic from the day before?)
What is the expectation that some portion of the population, from their vantage point in bed, is able to spot the vehicle?
So since there is no expectation it can help, why is the mere appearance of caring about a childs life more important than an entire cities sleep?
As long as the indefinite detentions, torture, warmonger and surveillance stop, I am ok with rebuilding from there. Thanks for your concern though. Wasn't too worried about the easily solved problems.
Hadn't thought of it that way....so this is an even better solution than I originally thought, because it solves multiple problems.
> The nice Midwesterners are the worst. The strongest disapproval they can amount to is "oh, that's
> different" or "interesting". Bostonians on the other hand are seen as rude. But while they might
> shout at you, they'd also stop their car at the pedestrian crossing, swearing if you don't cross fast
> enough. In Minneapolis, they'd smile at you while they run you over. I for once rather had the "rude" > guy.
Being a Bostonian myself, I am told that the main difference with Midwesterners is that they consider sarcasm to be quite rude, whereas, here, you worry if someone doesn't give you a sarcastic answer.
Also, I have seldom seen anyone actually yell at a pedestrian; though many of our pedestrians could use a stern talking to about the total abandon at which they decide to cross the road. Not that I have any issue with Jaywalking, was brought up on it myself, but, I was at least taught to do it when nobody was coming, and not to saunter out into the road like the entire thing is an unsignaled cross walk. (and yes pedestrians: that don't walk sign actually means you don't have right of way, no, not even in the crosswalk...and while I am ranting, its yield to pedestrians IN the crosswalk, not 5 feet away from it, not standing on the sidewalk, IN THE CROSSWALK, and yes that means you should look up from your damned smartphone before you step off the curb into the side of my car...as one of our genious pedestrians almost did a few weeks ago.... now get off my lawn!)
> There is something to this. If you have an approved mechanism for intuitively detecting bombs they
> you have probable cause to terminate a prospective bomber, and if your intuition is right more than
> half the time on average, you're a hero. Since some few are more accurate with intuition and some
> less, and the metrics are classified, you are free to open fire indiscriminately anywhere anywhen.
Half the time? Nah, I think you are overestimating how accurate you need to be, because, even if you find nothing, you can, like the scammer of these did, claim that it hit on some residue and you just got them at the wrong time.
In fact, this is very much the way drug dogs are used. Dogs, it turns out, have great snouts and can detect all manner of things, and do great in really blind trials. However, they are even better at playing "Clever Hans" ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clever_Hans ), that is, if the handler is given any clues as to where their might be hits, the animals false positive rate goes through the roof...in exactly the places where the handler expects to find something.
So.... dogs are great at finding bombs or drugs in random packages... but in one of their most common use cases, sniffing a suspects car, they are just about guaranteed a hit, because their handler is expecting one. A hit, that can be explained away and dismissed when nothing is found, so their real hit rate can be far lower than chance without bringing them into question.
One study used no drugs or explosives at all, but flagged several points with information for the handler indicating the type of hit expected to set his expectations. If the dogs were 100% effective, there would have been not a single hit amongst any of the trials...the results?
from http://www.economist.com/blogs/babbage/2011/02/animal_behaviour
Nah you make sure the buck always stops in the political/management level where there are no skills worth retaining.
Yup, exactly, and that is exactly why my own company has a specific policy on the decommissioning of....hard drives. We don't toss servers out whole, we pull the damned drives, then who gives a fuck what you do with the chassis? I mean, of course we have a policy on how that is handled too, but its the hard drive one that matters.
For that matter.... should so many medical records have been on an unencrypted volume? Shit, store the encryption key backups centrally and put the key on a USB stick. Separate stick from drive, and you may as well have wiped it. Wipe the stick/backup and the drive *IS* wiped for all purposes.
Now, our policy is not so nuanced as to make that distinction....it all gets sent to a facility that physically shreds them. However, again, if its done properly, it would have prevented the leak whether it met policy or not....and the bigger, unwritten policy is.... don't end up in the news.
However, by that same token, it does protect from other things like stolen machines and hard drives. Years back, when I was a PC Tech at the hospital I got called to an Alzheimerâ(TM)s drug research lab, they had had a break-in and it was clear whoever came in was all over their computers. My guess was they did the physical damage to make it look like vandalism.... but it was clear they actually logged on to the machines, and the account they used to do it was an internal IS role account. I would bet money that these labs were not encrypting anything back then.
Yup, I have heard of that BS excuse to not need to impose jail time for people in government. It clearly doesn't work and needs to be rethought for that purpose.
Frankly, government corruption and incompetence is the only category of crime I support the death penalty for. Even a serial killer can only have so many victims. Maybe we can learn something from them over time...but... government employees? No, their org keeps on going, examples need to be made of them, they can hurt hundreds of thousands of people with a simple missstep like this. They need to be held to a higher standard than anyone else.
If a few people swung when this sort of fuckup came about so many people are put in harms way, I have no problem with publicly hanging the people involved.
It would set a perfect precedent for once people realize what damage other polices have done.
Well after spending the past few weeks playing Dwarf Fortress, I trust you can understand why terreria looked fun :)
Really, I could have sworn I remembered that one from class, especially since we made a trip to that very restaurant. Then again, it wouldn't be the only thing I learned in school that later turned out to be in some way incorrect.
Then again, it could just be my memory is bad since it was um, a couple of years ago :)
I took french in High school, where consonant endings can run into the next word if it beings with a vowel sound (not just letter). In fact, even if the preceeding word has a silent consonant (the french seem to love silent consonants) they will pronounce it to make the connection.... So it always annoys me listening to the local NPR station as the restaurant "Chez Henri" is pronounced "Shay Enri", which would normally be correct for each word but, when taken together it should be pronounced more like a single word "ShayzEnri"
Yes seriously lol. Ok so my wife and I started playing Terreria, and he saw us on and wanted to join, so he came in, gave us a bunch of end game level equipment and was like "lets go fight bosses".
I was unable to impress upon him how, while running around with powerful end game equipment was fun for a bit, it wasn't really what we wanted to do.... its not really an adventure if the story starts with some character swooping in and handing the hero everything he needs; including the dragons head on a platter.
Don't get me wrong, I totally understand why he would think what we were doing was boring but, he didn't seem to get that it wasn't boring for us, as new players to the game. Trying to explain it was just painful.
A while back someone did some research and published it on keystroke logging via audio capture. They found they were able to reliably determine what someone was typing just from the sound of their typing. I have to imagine that would work here.
http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2005/09/14_key.shtml
Though, maybe they also run white noise generators in the office?
> Have you tried living in NYC recently?
Perfectly safe....if you are white, dress professionally, and have an appropriately submissive attitude towards the police.
Do you know where this is explicitly defined. That was, of course, my understanding as well, but after your comment I decided to try and look up the definition of who could vote, and I couldn't find much other than that the states were supposed to figure out how to run elections.
I tried to check my own state constitution (which actually recognizes its citizens rights as listed in the Dec of Independence....its rare that such documents make me smile) and found precious little definition of such there either.
So I failed to even verify the "land owning" and "male" portions, though, I did find the portion where "other people" (slaves, indians, etc) are counted for representation portions as 3/5ths. (though, I actually found this to be somewhat less offensive than its normally represented; since it applies to all people who wouldn't be counted as citizens not just blacks or slaves, but residents)
Of course, I in no way doubt these, as its been a pretty consistent description of who could vote since I first studied the subject in school, but, I failed to find the specific definitions even for my own state at the time.
When more than half the people in prison are in for non-violent drug "crimes" (aka violation of their right to pursue happiness) I think the system is totally sick. I understand how we got here, I know all about the cost movtive, and I can think of no more of a corrupting influence. The justice system was never intended to be a meat grinder. It shouldn't be so efficient as to process so many cases.
At this point, I would argue we should do away with the plea entirely and remove the ability to waive ones right to a jury at all, because this is an absolutely terrible way to "fix" the system.
Maybe I am a bit jaded from recent experience but...
After spending some time this weekend trying to play an online video game with a relative of that age, I have trouble seeing the problem. Trying to explain to him how what he was doing in game was ruining the fun for my wife and I reminded me quite a bit of talking to a chatbot (it was every bit as effective)
> training all the kindergarten teachers to pack heat will not stop school violence, because bad people
> will find a way, and you'll have new deaths that otherwise would not have occurred, because some
> teacher will get fired and shoot up the teacher's lounge or a kid will get his hands on the teacher's
> gun at some point.
actually, I want to preface this comment with the fact that I am more playing Devil's Advocate than proposing a serious solution. I agree entirely that this is a rare event with a minuscule chance of happening (a definite chance of happening somewhere at some time with a long enough time horizon, but, that is besides the point)
So, I don't think arming teachers HAS to mean giving them guns. Guns are great for self defence - #1 choice if you have to choose. However, they are not the be all and end all of every situation.
Imagine this, which would be cheaper and require less training: Shields and Batons, placed in emergency access enclosures that alarm the central office when opened. Place several of them in various classrooms throughout the school.
Would I want to face off against a gun toting assailent with a shield and baton? Hell No! Would I want to do it if I had other people assisting? Nope. However, if the choice is between that and being totally unarmed.... I will take the shield and baton every single time. I would rather not face off against an armed assailant at all, even with a gun, but, if he is going to take that choice away....
Training? Not really needed. The point is not making the school a hard point, the point is giving people a chance and giving them the ability to take away the shooters control of the situation; which, listening to criminal profilers talk about Sandy Hook makes me think may be helpful, as control of the situation seems to be a strong part of these shooters motivation. This was pointed out in response to how the shooter saw police, ran into a room, and shot himself rather than lose control of the situation.
In fact, I think a lot of the situation (and others) could be helped if Physical education was replaced wholesale with Martial arts training. In addition to all of the benefits (I haven't studied in years but I still appreciate the benefits I gained in terms of balance and general physical body awareness and control) it would lead to a less vulnerable society. Most of why these attacks are so successful is that people's first response is to run from danger and cower....which feeds right into the mentality of a portion of the people who do this sort of thing.
Its making a lot more sense now. I definitely appreciate you're help. Your definitely a first class grammarien.
Amusingly, when someone actually attempted to track down who murphy was, and where the law came from.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murphys_law
So this is potentially, very much related to the original usage.
Thank you for the free copy editing. Sadly as slashdot has no edit function available in it's interface, its a pointless exercise.
Isn't he the one who pushed for all people on welfare to be drug tested....by the company his wife owns? Cha-ching!
Exactly. For me to use wireshark, I need to first use tcpdump to a capture file, then sftp the file out to an administrative box, then use another method to transfer it locally. Then, and only then, can I open it in wireshark. Just did it the other day, it was just what I needed at the time to show that the local box was acting properly and very likely return ack's were not making it back to the originating host. Great for that. Love it.
That said, I telnet to port 80 and type a quick http get command far more often. First it tells me the port is open, then it tells me the webserver is actually responding reasonably. It is faster than setting up the port forwards that I need to do the same test with a graphical tool, and quicker than another tool if I want to do something like, pass a different host header.
text based protocols are pretty useful, even if its behind ssl, it doesn't take long to learn how to type openssl s_client -connect
It is useful for http, it is useful for smtp, its useful.
Hence why I said
> lets compare those directly and individually to smaller countries with working social welfare....
Where I acknowledge directly that this is often what is done.