I don't accuse MAC users of smugness, I accuse them of delusion, as if somehow, in the day to day world, they have a computer that does anything other computers (or OSes) can't do - which, of course, we know ain't true. The security issues may have a kernal of truth, the truth, I think, determined more by a lack of interest in cracking the boxes than any actual design genius, but, as I said, day to day, most people I know use their computers until they go and do something else. I don't know anyone ever who's had a major security breach - aside from a few malicious viruses which have nothing to do with Windows and everything to do with assholes - but even then, these viruses have usually resulted in, at most, inconvenience, certainly nothing more. The smugness factor is self-fed pablum designed to balm an aching wallet, nothing more - and wouldn't you? If you shelled out more cash for basically the same product, that basically offers nothing in return for the extra dollars aside from some nebulous claim to a security issue that most people disregard anyway, you'd either have to admit your sillyness or try to go defensive...
I'm impressed with the respect I see for the law around here - and I'm sure that those of you here who are so intent on seeing MS brought down - not because you despise MS, not because you're jealous of it's success and its competitors inability to crack its market (because of MS, no failings on their part), but because MS broke laws considered by some to be controversial are also willing to turn in your friends who illegally download music and warz - in fact, I'm sure all of you are compling lists of those people as we speak...
Such honest and law abiding people - I'm willing to bet not one of you has any illegally copied software, copyrighted songs or videos !
The security issue is a complete red herring - my septuagenarian parents run XP computers - I installed AVG and suprise, not a virus in years (almost 4 for me). Either most of the Mac users live in the Red States, or they're products of incest, or maybe they just ain't as smart as they think they are, but this stuff about "easier to use", "security", the ability to "get work done" - it's like their brains turn to mush at the sight of a PC, while my aging parents manage just fine to run a business on theirs (my dad networked and ran his small law firm on PCs before retiring - and the guy does NOT know computers), the company I work for, which was recently sold for half a billion, runs hundreds of Win-based computers networked internationally (though our servers are Unix and Novelle-based), there was a time when Mac made sense - when Photoshop and Pagemaker and the like really did suck on the PC, but now? It makes no sense to me at all. (and this megamanical thing about PC users being empty vessals, or do nothings, or little grey men or unproductive - this must be compensation for empty lives or small dicks - I'm not sure which...)
are you really comparing Cory Doctorow to the President of the United States? I read Boing Boing for a about a wekk before boredom set in! He's a nobody...(I bet more people know E.L.)
There is absolutely an emotional connection with computers and correspondingly their operating systems for many reasons, not just for what you can do with them, but for how they connect with people personally.
and you call others boring and meaningless! If you have an emotional attachment to your OS or your computer, you need a shrink, not a computer!
So MicrAnd windows works the way I expect it to. I don't have to learn nearly as much as I do in order to use Linux, and all my games play on it out of the box.
You sell it better than MS - don't forget to mention that all your software works right out of the box, including your web browser, video and audio - and a selection that makes Linux look teeny tiny - but I guess you can sell it on...
You have to work harder to do the EXACT SAME THING?
GOod luck selling your revolution!
What a misreading of both companies! It's like you took this out of some dimwitted college campus lefty playbook! What hubris: all those "don't know better" po' folk (you know, the great unwashed) buying "cheap" low quality goods - probably about the best they can afford, and you piss on them as stupid and all those millions of computer users too stupid to switch to...
switch to?
switch?
Oh yeah, they don't know any better! You're sooo smart and dey sooo stoooopid! Let me guess: Linux?
"There are probably many, many more vectors of attack that I haven't thought of without even resorting to social engineering or taking advantage of stupid or ignorant users..."
This whole thread shows the absurdity of the Linux arguemnt - i.e. superior - what nonsense: it's superior, or so it seems, after you've spanned the globe for the bits and pieces that make it run well: I wonder which is the best version today, Debian? Red Hat? Ubuntu? What nonsense! While MS may lack in certain aspects - and is bloated in others, usually, you install, install the one of millions of software packages made for windows (as opposed to the far leaner selection for OS) and go to work. Anyone who gets down to the minutia of which cut and paste obviously is not really using a computer for work: come on kids, get out of your parent's basement and into the sunshine: let the men get back to work!
This just proves that Linux is less about superior software and more about superior-feeling software users: out of all the banalities in this world, installing and running a web browser has got to be at the top of the list; for myself, I'm actually too busy using a computer to spend time configuring one - much like I'm too busy when I use a car to think about what's under the hood. I keep hearing what a nightmare using IE is, though with AVG running and a pop-up blocker, I've not had a virus problem in like two years. Keep trying to convince yourself that your better or smarter than Joe Sixpack - but your not...
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Because it works. The great masses are herd animals.
Is it hard to bear such a burden of enlightenment? Or are you just a dick?
Sure, GIMP has no layer effects (yet), but it's catching up very quickly considering how long it's been in development.
Why would anyone settle for the software trying to catch up? I also read that Gimp sorely lacks in color managment (on Linux), and the USM is not great - is this true? if so, Gimp is for kids...
Thanks Google for thinking for me! I'm too stupid or sensitive or just plain "good" to make my own decisions regarding hate speech or the perception thereof! After all, you're an alturistic corporation who only cares about the good of the community, that's why "Rape Sex" gets 169,000 hits - which come back to the old adage - it ain't bad if you're only slapping a bitch!
Switching to OO is fine if you're not exchanging work with others - I installed it for my wife, who emailed out a bunch opf stuff to various clients and so forth - she got back quite a few responses asking for documents that opened properly from Word with the proper formatting. Proceed with care - and if your livlihood depends on document exchange, shell out the bucks for the industry standard...
You're assuming, of course, that no commercial venture would ever challenge MS for web browser domination
No I'm not. I'm assuming that they would fail. I'm assuming this because several companies did challenge MS and lost.
I guess that pretty much ends that conversation!
You recall, of course, that Unix was not open source originally, so one could claim that without AT&T there would be no open source.
UNIX most certainly was Open Source originally. See John Lion's commentary on the Sixth Edition UNIX Operating system for more details.
The original code was proprietary - the folks at Berkeley kinda sorta stole it - didn't they? Even if the original Bell lab guys wanted to share, was it theirs to share?
Free software would mean no Firefox. No competition means no updates- remember before Firefox Microsoft said that MSIE 6 would be the last release!
You're assuming, of course, that no commercial venture would ever challenge MS for web browser domination - most markets are propelled by commercial competition. You recall, of course, that Unix was not open source originally, so one could claim that without AT&T there would be no open source.
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But what's to swipe on the average home users computer?
I don't accuse MAC users of smugness, I accuse them of delusion, as if somehow, in the day to day world, they have a computer that does anything other computers (or OSes) can't do - which, of course, we know ain't true. The security issues may have a kernal of truth, the truth, I think, determined more by a lack of interest in cracking the boxes than any actual design genius, but, as I said, day to day, most people I know use their computers until they go and do something else. I don't know anyone ever who's had a major security breach - aside from a few malicious viruses which have nothing to do with Windows and everything to do with assholes - but even then, these viruses have usually resulted in, at most, inconvenience, certainly nothing more. The smugness factor is self-fed pablum designed to balm an aching wallet, nothing more - and wouldn't you? If you shelled out more cash for basically the same product, that basically offers nothing in return for the extra dollars aside from some nebulous claim to a security issue that most people disregard anyway, you'd either have to admit your sillyness or try to go defensive...
I'm impressed with the respect I see for the law around here - and I'm sure that those of you here who are so intent on seeing MS brought down - not because you despise MS, not because you're jealous of it's success and its competitors inability to crack its market (because of MS, no failings on their part), but because MS broke laws considered by some to be controversial are also willing to turn in your friends who illegally download music and warz - in fact, I'm sure all of you are compling lists of those people as we speak... Such honest and law abiding people - I'm willing to bet not one of you has any illegally copied software, copyrighted songs or videos !
Oh sure, because only a genuis can handle this kind of work...
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Isn't the Ipod business also elevating their desktop and laptop business? If they drop to 40% market share, their OS will drop to like 6%...
The security issue is a complete red herring - my septuagenarian parents run XP computers - I installed AVG and suprise, not a virus in years (almost 4 for me). Either most of the Mac users live in the Red States, or they're products of incest, or maybe they just ain't as smart as they think they are, but this stuff about "easier to use", "security", the ability to "get work done" - it's like their brains turn to mush at the sight of a PC, while my aging parents manage just fine to run a business on theirs (my dad networked and ran his small law firm on PCs before retiring - and the guy does NOT know computers), the company I work for, which was recently sold for half a billion, runs hundreds of Win-based computers networked internationally (though our servers are Unix and Novelle-based), there was a time when Mac made sense - when Photoshop and Pagemaker and the like really did suck on the PC, but now? It makes no sense to me at all. (and this megamanical thing about PC users being empty vessals, or do nothings, or little grey men or unproductive - this must be compensation for empty lives or small dicks - I'm not sure which...)
are you really comparing Cory Doctorow to the President of the United States? I read Boing Boing for a about a wekk before boredom set in! He's a nobody...(I bet more people know E.L.)
and you call others boring and meaningless! If you have an emotional attachment to your OS or your computer, you need a shrink, not a computer!
You sell it better than MS - don't forget to mention that all your software works right out of the box, including your web browser, video and audio - and a selection that makes Linux look teeny tiny - but I guess you can sell it on... You have to work harder to do the EXACT SAME THING? GOod luck selling your revolution!
Please explain. Most everything we use in this society (including pencils and paper) cost money - why do you feel it necessary that software be free?
You think this is a bit overstated? A bit over the top? A call out for medication? Maybe we should build camps for PC users...
What a misreading of both companies! It's like you took this out of some dimwitted college campus lefty playbook! What hubris: all those "don't know better" po' folk (you know, the great unwashed) buying "cheap" low quality goods - probably about the best they can afford, and you piss on them as stupid and all those millions of computer users too stupid to switch to... switch to? switch? Oh yeah, they don't know any better! You're sooo smart and dey sooo stoooopid! Let me guess: Linux?
You don't blame THAT on the OS do you?
This whole thread shows the absurdity of the Linux arguemnt - i.e. superior - what nonsense: it's superior, or so it seems, after you've spanned the globe for the bits and pieces that make it run well: I wonder which is the best version today, Debian? Red Hat? Ubuntu? What nonsense! While MS may lack in certain aspects - and is bloated in others, usually, you install, install the one of millions of software packages made for windows (as opposed to the far leaner selection for OS) and go to work. Anyone who gets down to the minutia of which cut and paste obviously is not really using a computer for work: come on kids, get out of your parent's basement and into the sunshine: let the men get back to work!
This just proves that Linux is less about superior software and more about superior-feeling software users: out of all the banalities in this world, installing and running a web browser has got to be at the top of the list; for myself, I'm actually too busy using a computer to spend time configuring one - much like I'm too busy when I use a car to think about what's under the hood. I keep hearing what a nightmare using IE is, though with AVG running and a pop-up blocker, I've not had a virus problem in like two years. Keep trying to convince yourself that your better or smarter than Joe Sixpack - but your not...
Is it hard to bear such a burden of enlightenment? Or are you just a dick?
Yes, good enough to be the most popular OS in the history of computing - with no slowdown in sight...
why can't people be as smart as you guys?
Why would anyone settle for the software trying to catch up? I also read that Gimp sorely lacks in color managment (on Linux), and the USM is not great - is this true? if so, Gimp is for kids...
Thanks Google for thinking for me! I'm too stupid or sensitive or just plain "good" to make my own decisions regarding hate speech or the perception thereof! After all, you're an alturistic corporation who only cares about the good of the community, that's why "Rape Sex" gets 169,000 hits - which come back to the old adage - it ain't bad if you're only slapping a bitch!
Switching to OO is fine if you're not exchanging work with others - I installed it for my wife, who emailed out a bunch opf stuff to various clients and so forth - she got back quite a few responses asking for documents that opened properly from Word with the proper formatting. Proceed with care - and if your livlihood depends on document exchange, shell out the bucks for the industry standard...
No I'm not. I'm assuming that they would fail. I'm assuming this because several companies did challenge MS and lost.
I guess that pretty much ends that conversation!
You recall, of course, that Unix was not open source originally, so one could claim that without AT&T there would be no open source.
UNIX most certainly was Open Source originally. See John Lion's commentary on the Sixth Edition UNIX Operating system for more details.
The original code was proprietary - the folks at Berkeley kinda sorta stole it - didn't they? Even if the original Bell lab guys wanted to share, was it theirs to share?
Free software would mean no Firefox. No competition means no updates- remember before Firefox Microsoft said that MSIE 6 would be the last release!
You're assuming, of course, that no commercial venture would ever challenge MS for web browser domination - most markets are propelled by commercial competition. You recall, of course, that Unix was not open source originally, so one could claim that without AT&T there would be no open source.
Snark, snarky, snarkidity...
It sure doesn't say much about the abilites of these so-called hackers and virus writers -