Wouldn't it be swell if you couldn't buy a normal monitor anymore? If all monitors were "smart" requiring Internet connectivity, call home to their respective manufacturer periodically uploading samples of displayed image to "improve" quality of product, assist with "troubleshooting" and proactive "diagnostics". Information so critical to continuously supporting and improving the product.
For your safety your smart monitor wouldn't install without an Internet connection, monitor vendor reserves the right to change terms or discontinue your use of monitor "service" at any time. If we change terms you will be given 30 days advanced notice to agree with new terms or lose all access to your monitor service.
Examples of changes we may make include requiring you to pay a small one time or monthly fee, offering direct advertising to your monitor at no cost to you and mirroring your display to our partners. You agree to provide us with a non revocable royalty free license to use any content associated with our monitor service.
I've learned my lesson the hard way implement a Google APIs or use a Google service and poof gone the next day. Don't do business with Google. Don't depend on Google anything or be prepared to be fucked over without warning.
Vendors are increasingly under the delusion they can treat their customers like shit now that they have all the power and control all the strings with their cloud bullshit. But really all that happens customers get fucked over once, learn from the experience never to return.
Have to admit I was never a big fan of TLS everywhere.. I think permissionless access without unnecessary dependencies on trust providers is worth more to the Internet than privacy or guarantees on integrity of information in some contexts.
However sometimes I find myself rooting for it because of crap like this. If everyone uses HTTPS the browser hijacks schemes various ISPs have employed no longer work at all. Even today that increasingly nobody is even likely to ever see these messages I happen to think is rather amusing.
The typical experience will end up being customers calling in pissed the Internet is down, waste all kinds of a low paid CSRs time and god forbid there is any competition in the market cancel service upon learning the reason Internet doesn't work is because it was intentionally sabotaged.
How many of you people upset that the Rift is "always on" installed Steam and let it sit in your system tray every second that your computer is on?
I'm upset there is no driver only installation package and no Oculus provided means of turning off unnecessary chatter. I have not nor will I ever install steam or any service like it.
From what I understand about steam you can shut it off when your done playing and it is no longer running at all without taking any extraordinary measures. Oculus runs in background from windows SCM with no option provided by Oculus to make it ever stop. It isn't even the same thing although Oculus store and Steam have quite a bit in common.
It's a Facebook product. If I buy a Honeywell thermostat with WiFi that provides thermostat access via the cloud, I would expect it to be in frequent contact with Honeywell's servers. Similarly, I would have every expectation that a Facebook VR set would contact Facebook's servers.
I have no such expectation. There is no reason for a display with position tracking sensors glued to it communicate with Facebook servers any more than there is any reason for a keyboard to communicate with Unicomp or a monitor to communicate with Samsung.
If you want to use a locked down DRM'd shitstore that communicates with facebook then it is reasonable to expect this bullshit.. however we were all assured that the Rift hardware would be OPEN... meaning participation in the bullshit would be optional.
The real questions anyone should have are "what data do they collect, how do they use it, who do they share it with, and how long do they store it?" Given that it's Facebook, I'm guessing the answers are: "every single byte; to build a better model of their customers to better market to them, and to match people with their personal network; they share it with everyone, warrant or not; and forever".
The real question anyone should have is where the **$#**#$ is the standalone runtime installer.
Thought to myself the Rift is just a monitor stuffed with sensors. Surely I would be able to use it directly with third party software and avoid the inevitable facebook bullshit we all knew was coming. But noo... at the last f*cking second before release they did away with separate runtime downloads and make you install their shitstore + register an account before you even get access to the runtime.
What is sad is how lame Oculus software is. They install very chatty poll happy windows services (managed code consuming ram like its going out of style 24x7), force you download gigabytes worth of BS bloatware you probably don't even care about with no resumption if download goes south and there is not even a way to tell software in which drive/folder it should be installed.
Still have a preorder in queue I will cancel if a way to install runtime only without the BS does not materialize in the next month.
What I absolutely love about steam in particular is they grant themselves the right to "alter the deal". https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
Lets say you have spent a fortune on steam games.
They decide they are big enough they can do whatever they want and decide to start charging monthly fees or install spyware uploading contents of your computer to the New York Times or perhaps they just decide they don't want to support you anymore and unilaterally shut down the service.
If you don't like the new deal and don't accept it your account is shut down and you lose access to everything you ever paid for without any compensation or recourse. You of course also "agreed" to submit to binding arbitration.
This crap is why I don't play games anymore. It just isn't any fun when everyone has this kind of contempt for their customers trying to fuck people over asserting they don't own anything and have no rights.
The cost to develop games for this, vs the size of the market, is going to be a massive problem, one that everyone seems to overlook. What is the business case for this?
I would be very interested in any supporting evidence examining costs of developing VR games.
What actually is the typical cost difference to VR enable a new title in such a way that it won't suck?
Majority of leading game engines support VR out of the box today. Software exist to retroactively VR enable dozens of existing titles having never been designed for VR in the first place. Some work great, others still suck.
Obviously doing VR properly is not free - there is some cost. Some of which can undoubtedly be avoided by making different choices during product development. I am not an expert in this field and would very much appreciate thoughts from someone who is.
...the better the chance this hype will have fizzled and that you will not have to buy anything! VR is about as "ready" as 3D television, which is completely over because it does not really work at this time. The same is true for VR.
Disconnect between those who've tried it and commentary from peanut gallery is striking.
Those with crappy dev kits are saying they won't go back to playing on monitors. Spend some time on the Elite forums or any of racing or flight sims with VR support... it isn't just one person it is virtually everyone.
CNN isn't worth your time. All they talk about is garbage like this and who said the most ridiculous thing today. CNN is willing and able to bait and troll the public with nonsensical questions like did Trump sieg heil before cutting to commercial.
Is Anderson cooper a space alien? Is Jake Taper a Russian spy? Does Wolf Blitzer rape goats? All this and more after these messages.
Apparently they can't be bothered to do any serious investigative journalism on any of the candidates running for office, provide any context or insights into political issues or even bother to explore candidates positions. It is 24x7 talking points and low information bullshit spewed from CNN's cast of lazy idiots.
From what I understand, the blue OLED ages at a faster rate than the rest of the display, which means that it will appear to turn yellow over time. If you have a static image on the display, then it will age unevenly.
LCD panels don't age in a way that makes the colors change, so they don't get burn in (the closest thing they get to burn in is image persistence, which is only temporary.)
They do but less pronounced. Changes in output spectrum due to backlight aging is still enough to make it worthwhile for artists/photo pros to periodically recalibrate. This is also why brightness controls tend to be driven by PWM.
Indeed. When I got my last phone, which has an IPS display, I compared with two coworkers who had recently gotten phones (similar price range) with AMOLED displays. The color quality was far better on my phone, something they both agreed on.
Colour on AMOLED in all cases felt "oversaturated" in some colours while others looked lacking or "off".
A problem with AMOLED some vendors are taking shortcuts to cut costs using pentile displays with copious amounts of missing subpixels they figure nobody will notice/miss. I think we need better labeling up front so people know exactly what they are buying. I don't know exactly what you saw but your description is a common reaction to crappy pentile displays.
AMOLED displays cause horrible eyestrain for me due to the high-intensity blue lights they emit. What's worse is LCD displays with CCFL backlights have been removed from production monitor/TV panels, so I have no alternative but to use these awful LED displays. Screw manufacturers screwing with our eyesights.
Look for displays with RGB or GB-R led backlighting or any combination that does not involve crappy white LEDs. A little more expensive found in "professional' displays with wider gamut but worth every penny in my view. These do not have an annoying blue spike in output spectrum that makes everything look strange/dead.
My Samsung phone is three years old and has AMOLED screen - not a problem. I don't know what cheap crap you're buying but it's go nothing to do with the underlying tech of AMOLED.
AMOLED is made of millions of tiny light bulbs that get dimmer as long as they are on.
You can improve the light bulbs or compensate for it with calibration tables but it has everything to do with the underlying technology.
I want reliable displays that will last for at least a decade without problems. Having suffered thru CRT style burn-in I have no desire to purchase a device prone to the same problems.
Has anyone else noticed it is "cool to be outraged" lately? Every perceived slight requires some lengthy rant from a "victim" about hurt or traumatized they are after coming across some article they do not agree with.
It isn't culture so much as hyperbole paying the bills for media.
Every perceived slight requires some lengthy rant from a "victim" about hurt or traumatized they are after coming across some article they do not agree with.
We'll get a few days of twitter and tumblr wars calling for Tim Cook's head on a pike and Apple needs to be fined out of existence. A new "outrage" will pop up and everything will be forgotten. Rinse, lather, repeat.
The same old tricks people keep falling for them... If there isn't a controversy create one. Then shine the spotlight on outliers who say the darndest things to keep it going.
This article is very US Centric and ignores many facts and counterpoints, one of which is Canada, which is already a cashless society
No it isn't.
Furthermore it makes the assumption that a cashless society incurs costs on the poor, when that is only true in the USA where undertaking of the poor is an epidemic and Visa and Mastercard have a vice grip on the debit card industry, charging high fees for merchants and consumers. Thesent are US specific problems, not problems with cashless societies in general.
Wrong, Canadians use debit and credit cards. Same as the US with roughly same costs imposed on merchants.
How do airline flights get beyond the laws against charging extra for credit cards? Do they do the gas station "trick" of giving a cash discount instead?
There is no such law. The credit card companies tried to limit this behavior contractually and lost in court not so long ago.
The reason many don't charge extra for credit cards is that doing so is not worth the backlash.
Yup, I'm effectively being subsidized by cash payers. They should wise up too.
Everyone pays credit card tax whether they use cards or not. It is baked into cost of providing goods and services and substantially more than any crummy rewards programs.
The only winners here are the banks. They are banking on our ignorance and indifference.
Where basic norms of ownership and resale no longer apply because...um... technology...yea that's it...technology..
As the old saying goes freedom isn't free. Either be prepared to constantly assert your rights and protest/vote with your wallet or get used to being treated like cattle. Your choice.
I like reading about different designs, architectures and designing very half baked OS's in my imagination.
What seems to be missing is really anything innovative or new here.. Message is basically Microkernel + use a different language. Things people have already done.
Legacy until infinity: Old syscalls stay around forever
Why can't backwards compatibility be considered an important part of systems design and be architected to be manageable and nimble from the start? I've always strongly disagreed with notion by supporting old ***x*** you necessarily stand in the way of progress. If there was some kind of view based infrastructure to specifically address these things it wouldn't be an issue. The whole essence of programming is managing complexity... asserting you don't have to care about existing systems because it is a drag is a cop out in my opinion.
Huge codebase: To contribute, you must find a place to fit in to nearly 25 million lines of code, in just the kernel.
This is like saying you got lost because there are 4 million miles of roads in your country.
I would very much like to see a new OS rise from the ashes with minimal effort (say a handful of developers over a few years time) everyone agrees is better as a general purpose operating system than what exists now. The problem always seems to be there is just no tool or architecture based replacement for sweat equity. While better architecture and better tools certainly provide an advantage in the end it just never seems to matter. I very much welcome serious efforts to change this.
Biggest problem I have had with Ethernet there is no cheap way to designate roles to ports without invoking expensive power hungry L3 aware ASICs (e.g. RA Guard). The ability to deny ports capability to intercept and take over/down the network should be baked into Ethernet and leveraged by protocols layered above.
To me this change would be worth some pain associated with required upgrades to accommodate.
Actually: people are stupid and will make decisions based upon spurious information and superstition. People buying food still get to make their own decisions when there is GMO labeling. It's just more likely that they'll make decisions that aren't in their interests based upon their senseless bias against GMOs.
Routinely find myself annoyed by "organic" labeled crap on the shelves. Some cheaper non-organic labeled options have all but disappeared entirely. As a result I get to pay more for what I strongly suspect is nothing more than a lame excuse to charge more.
I sometimes find myself feeling sorry for health crazed fools I know who are into all manner of "natural" snake oils. Billions wasted on vitamin/supplement bullshit not proven to provide any tangible benefit. More importantly they won't shut up going on and on reciting marketing drivel they read on the Internet about their precious natural products.
Still I don't give a shit how stupid and gullible people are. They deserve to be informed (even the annoying ones) and deserve to have the opportunity to make up their own minds even if it means they make the wrong choice.
The concept some seem to be in favor of where information is withheld because they believe others are incapable of making informed decisions or otherwise fear a negative unjustified reaction strikes me as a particularly tyrannical and unsustainable position.
If there is consensus x, y and z is fine and you don't agree with public perceptions to the contrary you have the option of working to win others to your position and build a consensus for it. Taking shortcut of forced ignorance because you think you know best and can't or don't feel like working to convince people directly is not a principal I support or agree with. Ends don't justify means.
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Wouldn't it be swell if you couldn't buy a normal monitor anymore? If all monitors were "smart" requiring Internet connectivity, call home to their respective manufacturer periodically uploading samples of displayed image to "improve" quality of product, assist with "troubleshooting" and proactive "diagnostics". Information so critical to continuously supporting and improving the product.
For your safety your smart monitor wouldn't install without an Internet connection, monitor vendor reserves the right to change terms or discontinue your use of monitor "service" at any time. If we change terms you will be given 30 days advanced notice to agree with new terms or lose all access to your monitor service.
Examples of changes we may make include requiring you to pay a small one time or monthly fee, offering direct advertising to your monitor at no cost to you and mirroring your display to our partners. You agree to provide us with a non revocable royalty free license to use any content associated with our monitor service.
I've learned my lesson the hard way implement a Google APIs or use a Google service and poof gone the next day. Don't do business with Google. Don't depend on Google anything or be prepared to be fucked over without warning.
Vendors are increasingly under the delusion they can treat their customers like shit now that they have all the power and control all the strings with their cloud bullshit. But really all that happens customers get fucked over once, learn from the experience never to return.
What happens when you push the start button?
I wouldn't try it. You're much better off taking the metro.
Dear Toyota, don't you realize that distracted driving is illegal in most countries? Please remove your "infotainment" systems from all vehicles.
To turn it off you need only wait a year until the car is no longer supported and nothing but the tracking device works.
Have to admit I was never a big fan of TLS everywhere.. I think permissionless access without unnecessary dependencies on trust providers is worth more to the Internet than privacy or guarantees on integrity of information in some contexts.
However sometimes I find myself rooting for it because of crap like this. If everyone uses HTTPS the browser hijacks schemes various ISPs have employed no longer work at all. Even today that increasingly nobody is even likely to ever see these messages I happen to think is rather amusing.
The typical experience will end up being customers calling in pissed the Internet is down, waste all kinds of a low paid CSRs time and god forbid there is any competition in the market cancel service upon learning the reason Internet doesn't work is because it was intentionally sabotaged.
How many of you people upset that the Rift is "always on" installed Steam and let it sit in your system tray every second that your computer is on?
I'm upset there is no driver only installation package and no Oculus provided means of turning off unnecessary chatter. I have not nor will I ever install steam or any service like it.
From what I understand about steam you can shut it off when your done playing and it is no longer running at all without taking any extraordinary measures. Oculus runs in background from windows SCM with no option provided by Oculus to make it ever stop. It isn't even the same thing although Oculus store and Steam have quite a bit in common.
It's a Facebook product. If I buy a Honeywell thermostat with WiFi that provides thermostat access via the cloud, I would expect it to be in frequent contact with Honeywell's servers. Similarly, I would have every expectation that a Facebook VR set would contact Facebook's servers.
I have no such expectation. There is no reason for a display with position tracking sensors glued to it communicate with Facebook servers any more than there is any reason for a keyboard to communicate with Unicomp or a monitor to communicate with Samsung.
If you want to use a locked down DRM'd shitstore that communicates with facebook then it is reasonable to expect this bullshit .. however we were all assured that the Rift hardware would be OPEN... meaning participation in the bullshit would be optional.
The real questions anyone should have are "what data do they collect, how do they use it, who do they share it with, and how long do they store it?" Given that it's Facebook, I'm guessing the answers are: "every single byte; to build a better model of their customers to better market to them, and to match people with their personal network; they share it with everyone, warrant or not; and forever".
The real question anyone should have is where the **$#**#$ is the standalone runtime installer.
Thought to myself the Rift is just a monitor stuffed with sensors. Surely I would be able to use it directly with third party software and avoid the inevitable facebook bullshit we all knew was coming. But noo... at the last f*cking second before release they did away with separate runtime downloads and make you install their shitstore + register an account before you even get access to the runtime.
What is sad is how lame Oculus software is. They install very chatty poll happy windows services (managed code consuming ram like its going out of style 24x7), force you download gigabytes worth of BS bloatware you probably don't even care about with no resumption if download goes south and there is not even a way to tell software in which drive/folder it should be installed.
Still have a preorder in queue I will cancel if a way to install runtime only without the BS does not materialize in the next month.
What I absolutely love about steam in particular is they grant themselves the right to "alter the deal".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
Lets say you have spent a fortune on steam games.
They decide they are big enough they can do whatever they want and decide to start charging monthly fees or install spyware uploading contents of your computer to the New York Times or perhaps they just decide they don't want to support you anymore and unilaterally shut down the service.
If you don't like the new deal and don't accept it your account is shut down and you lose access to everything you ever paid for without any compensation or recourse. You of course also "agreed" to submit to binding arbitration.
This crap is why I don't play games anymore. It just isn't any fun when everyone has this kind of contempt for their customers trying to fuck people over asserting they don't own anything and have no rights.
The cost to develop games for this, vs the size of the market, is going to be a massive problem, one that everyone seems to overlook. What is the business case for this?
I would be very interested in any supporting evidence examining costs of developing VR games.
What actually is the typical cost difference to VR enable a new title in such a way that it won't suck?
Majority of leading game engines support VR out of the box today. Software exist to retroactively VR enable dozens of existing titles having never been designed for VR in the first place. Some work great, others still suck.
Obviously doing VR properly is not free - there is some cost. Some of which can undoubtedly be avoided by making different choices during product development. I am not an expert in this field and would very much appreciate thoughts from someone who is.
...the better the chance this hype will have fizzled and that you will not have to buy anything! VR is about as "ready" as 3D television, which is completely over because it does not really work at this time. The same is true for VR.
Disconnect between those who've tried it and commentary from peanut gallery is striking.
Those with crappy dev kits are saying they won't go back to playing on monitors. Spend some time on the Elite forums or any of racing or flight sims with VR support... it isn't just one person it is virtually everyone.
CNN isn't worth your time. All they talk about is garbage like this and who said the most ridiculous thing today. CNN is willing and able to bait and troll the public with nonsensical questions like did Trump sieg heil before cutting to commercial.
Is Anderson cooper a space alien? Is Jake Taper a Russian spy? Does Wolf Blitzer rape goats? All this and more after these messages.
Apparently they can't be bothered to do any serious investigative journalism on any of the candidates running for office, provide any context or insights into political issues or even bother to explore candidates positions. It is 24x7 talking points and low information bullshit spewed from CNN's cast of lazy idiots.
From what I understand, the blue OLED ages at a faster rate than the rest of the display, which means that it will appear to turn yellow over time. If you have a static image on the display, then it will age unevenly.
LCD panels don't age in a way that makes the colors change, so they don't get burn in (the closest thing they get to burn in is image persistence, which is only temporary.)
They do but less pronounced. Changes in output spectrum due to backlight aging is still enough to make it worthwhile for artists/photo pros to periodically recalibrate. This is also why brightness controls tend to be driven by PWM.
Indeed. When I got my last phone, which has an IPS display, I compared with two coworkers who had recently gotten phones (similar price range) with AMOLED displays. The color quality was far better on my phone, something they both agreed on.
Colour on AMOLED in all cases felt "oversaturated" in some colours while others looked lacking or "off".
A problem with AMOLED some vendors are taking shortcuts to cut costs using pentile displays with copious amounts of missing subpixels they figure nobody will notice/miss. I think we need better labeling up front so people know exactly what they are buying. I don't know exactly what you saw but your description is a common reaction to crappy pentile displays.
AMOLED displays cause horrible eyestrain for me due to the high-intensity blue lights they emit. What's worse is LCD displays with CCFL backlights have been removed from production monitor/TV panels, so I have no alternative but to use these awful LED displays. Screw manufacturers screwing with our eyesights.
Look for displays with RGB or GB-R led backlighting or any combination that does not involve crappy white LEDs. A little more expensive found in "professional' displays with wider gamut but worth every penny in my view. These do not have an annoying blue spike in output spectrum that makes everything look strange/dead.
My Samsung phone is three years old and has AMOLED screen - not a problem. I don't know what cheap crap you're buying but it's go nothing to do with the underlying tech of AMOLED.
AMOLED is made of millions of tiny light bulbs that get dimmer as long as they are on.
You can improve the light bulbs or compensate for it with calibration tables but it has everything to do with the underlying technology.
I want reliable displays that will last for at least a decade without problems. Having suffered thru CRT style burn-in I have no desire to purchase a device prone to the same problems.
Has anyone else noticed it is "cool to be outraged" lately? Every perceived slight requires some lengthy rant from a "victim" about hurt or traumatized they are after coming across some article they do not agree with.
It isn't culture so much as hyperbole paying the bills for media.
Every perceived slight requires some lengthy rant from a "victim" about hurt or traumatized they are after coming across some article they do not agree with.
We'll get a few days of twitter and tumblr wars calling for Tim Cook's head on a pike and Apple needs to be fined out of existence. A new "outrage" will pop up and everything will be forgotten. Rinse, lather, repeat.
The same old tricks people keep falling for them... If there isn't a controversy create one. Then shine the spotlight on outliers who say the darndest things to keep it going.
Expected the tablet bubble to burst years earlier than it has.
This article is very US Centric and ignores many facts and counterpoints, one of which is Canada, which is already a cashless society
No it isn't.
Furthermore it makes the assumption that a cashless society incurs costs on the poor, when that is only true in the USA where undertaking of the poor is an epidemic and Visa and Mastercard have a vice grip on the debit card industry, charging high fees for merchants and consumers. Thesent are US specific problems, not problems with cashless societies in general.
Wrong, Canadians use debit and credit cards. Same as the US with roughly same costs imposed on merchants.
How do airline flights get beyond the laws against charging extra for credit cards? Do they do the gas station "trick" of giving a cash discount instead?
There is no such law. The credit card companies tried to limit this behavior contractually and lost in court not so long ago.
The reason many don't charge extra for credit cards is that doing so is not worth the backlash.
Yup, I'm effectively being subsidized by cash payers. They should wise up too.
Everyone pays credit card tax whether they use cards or not. It is baked into cost of providing goods and services and substantially more than any crummy rewards programs.
The only winners here are the banks. They are banking on our ignorance and indifference.
Where basic norms of ownership and resale no longer apply because ...um... technology...yea that's it...technology..
As the old saying goes freedom isn't free. Either be prepared to constantly assert your rights and protest/vote with your wallet or get used to being treated like cattle. Your choice.
I like reading about different designs, architectures and designing very half baked OS's in my imagination.
What seems to be missing is really anything innovative or new here.. Message is basically Microkernel + use a different language. Things people have already done.
Legacy until infinity: Old syscalls stay around forever
Why can't backwards compatibility be considered an important part of systems design and be architected to be manageable and nimble from the start? I've always strongly disagreed with notion by supporting old ***x*** you necessarily stand in the way of progress. If there was some kind of view based infrastructure to specifically address these things it wouldn't be an issue. The whole essence of programming is managing complexity... asserting you don't have to care about existing systems because it is a drag is a cop out in my opinion.
Huge codebase: To contribute, you must find a place to fit in to nearly 25 million lines of code, in just the kernel.
This is like saying you got lost because there are 4 million miles of roads in your country.
I would very much like to see a new OS rise from the ashes with minimal effort (say a handful of developers over a few years time) everyone agrees is better as a general purpose operating system than what exists now. The problem always seems to be there is just no tool or architecture based replacement for sweat equity. While better architecture and better tools certainly provide an advantage in the end it just never seems to matter. I very much welcome serious efforts to change this.
Biggest problem I have had with Ethernet there is no cheap way to designate roles to ports without invoking expensive power hungry L3 aware ASICs (e.g. RA Guard). The ability to deny ports capability to intercept and take over/down the network should be baked into Ethernet and leveraged by protocols layered above.
To me this change would be worth some pain associated with required upgrades to accommodate.
Actually: people are stupid and will make decisions based upon spurious information and superstition. People buying food still get to make their own decisions when there is GMO labeling. It's just more likely that they'll make decisions that aren't in their interests based upon their senseless bias against GMOs.
Routinely find myself annoyed by "organic" labeled crap on the shelves. Some cheaper non-organic labeled options have all but disappeared entirely. As a result I get to pay more for what I strongly suspect is nothing more than a lame excuse to charge more.
I sometimes find myself feeling sorry for health crazed fools I know who are into all manner of "natural" snake oils. Billions wasted on vitamin/supplement bullshit not proven to provide any tangible benefit. More importantly they won't shut up going on and on reciting marketing drivel they read on the Internet about their precious natural products.
Still I don't give a shit how stupid and gullible people are. They deserve to be informed (even the annoying ones) and deserve to have the opportunity to make up their own minds even if it means they make the wrong choice.
The concept some seem to be in favor of where information is withheld because they believe others are incapable of making informed decisions or otherwise fear a negative unjustified reaction strikes me as a particularly tyrannical and unsustainable position.
If there is consensus x, y and z is fine and you don't agree with public perceptions to the contrary you have the option of working to win others to your position and build a consensus for it. Taking shortcut of forced ignorance because you think you know best and can't or don't feel like working to convince people directly is not a principal I support or agree with. Ends don't justify means.