first, 'swedish police department' doesnt deal justice. they implement prosecutors' orders, which is a part of judiciary. just like in any country.
second, one prosecutor dropped the case, another prosecutor, mysteriously, DESPITE it has been out of its jurisdiction and already handled, reopened the case. then, they had issued a warrant for assange TO GET HIS TESTIMONY. not to arrest him, not to do anything else. but interestingly, despite they were obliged to contact assange by swedish law, and the exact location of assange was known to entire swedish judiciary, that prosecutor's office had opted out to VIOLATE swedish law, by not contacting assange. they just directly went to press, saying that we issued a warrant to have him come here and issue a testimony.
then, interpol took that, and turned that testimony warrant to an ARREST warrant.
in the meantime, fox news and all those other news channels in america, who are used to fool morons, has been pumping up 'rape' bullshit to morons. the morons who believed them of course.
and now today someone comes up saying that rape charges came out of swedish 'police department'. wow. judiciary in sweden, apparently changes day to day, by what bullshit fox serves americans.
the 2 idiots who modded you up, please hand in your/. uids and log off from the site.
Unfortunately it has turned out to be little more than Assange's personal attack on the US
so your problem is, u.s. being attacked ? then which of the following facts you would like to choose as a counter argument :
a) u.s. is the biggest perpetrator of shit, and whatever happens outside russian, chinese influence zone, is of america's doing. if there is any shit outside russia, china, it will be because of usa. as the leaks show.
b) u.s. sources leaked many documents. what is coming out, are u.s. documents. if you want to see some russian documents, please kindly go become a russian citizen, start working in a top secret office, then leak those documents.
c) it doesnt matter flying fuck which country is being 'attacked', and whether the person doing that 'attack' has a personal grudge against that country. TRUTH IS TRUTH. there is no preference in regard to truth. you cant say 'oh, but you have exposed too much truth about x, stop now' -> this is not a moronic pissing contest. truth, is truth, in whatever amount, against whatever it is exposed. it doesnt matter whether the one exposing has a 'personal agenda' either. TRUTH IS STILL TRUTH.
much of it uncalled for, unhelpful
unhelpful to united states i reckon. i dont give a flying fuck about that. you know, approx 200+ other countries of the world, do not give a fuck either. 7 billion - 250 million people do not give a flying fuck about it too. uncalled for ? well, i find the exposure of filthy plans, bul
anything happens to assange, or his team, death, injury, arrest, all the information they have will come out uncensored, with names in it. all the operatives, double agents, moles, contacts of all secret agencies, will be out there in the open, uncensored, unremoved.
wikileaks has been removing the names from the documents up till this point. if, anyone does something against him, it will be 'springtime with agents in middle east' or something.... if you get the 'producers' reference.
that shows how intelligent conservatives are. really, no offense, but one has to be stupid to back something that they doggedly opposed for so long, when just some emotional trigger is invoked.
not leave people worried that backing WikiLeaks is backing a rapist?
morons you mean. morons who get their news from american mainstream media, and believe them.
there is no sexual assault. calling something sexual assault only makes it a sexual assault, in fox news. actually any moron watching it may be deserving bullshit, however....
assange had sex with two different women. BOTH of the women stated that sex was voluntary. BEFORE, and AFTER the stuff hit the court.
the ironic part is, this issue didnt become a 'policeworthy' issue, until the two women learned that assange slept with both of them. when they learned this, they suddenly decided to seek counsel from the police, and went to police to see what their options are. naturally, the issue was right what the bloodsuckers in usa wanted, and despite the local prosecution dropped the case, their lapdogs in other places in sweden reopened it in their district.
so basically, everything is just two bitches not being able to stomach the fact that a guy they were screwing slept with someone else.
what is appalling is, there being MORONS who buy out the shit american mainstream media and government craps out. what is more appalling is, that there are actually people in a place like slashdot doing that too.
maybe i have too much expectations from this place, in regard to iq and cognitive power level of the participants...
if i was amazon, that would change my choice. because, i am told i was living in a country that had freedoms. in addition, despite justice in america requires a lot of money, if i was amazon, i would have enough money to afford an army of lawyers to sue and participate in court cases on my behalf.
so, all it depends would be the spine factor involved. amazon didnt have spine. facebook also got threatened, but they showed more spine than amazon. and they arent as rich yet.
show me the place where it says 'freedoms are conditional', anywhere in bill of rights, or human rights declaration. show me the place it says 'there is freedom of speech BUT'.
if you cant, dont bullshit from your butt. what you are doing is just justifying repression. doesnt matter what your excuse or reason is.
it doesnt matter what freedom is used. freedom is freedom. 'you are using freedom for....' is not a valid excuse for censorship.
people can use their freedom for whatever they want. THAT IS WHY IT IS CALLED FREEDOM.
as long as morons like you around, who use various justifications and add prefixes to concept of freedom to allow/disallow it conditionally, there can be no freedom.
the FREE part in the word freedom, apparently, eludes you.
after they kicked off wikileaks, like spineless, witless cowards after pressure from some fatass u.s. senator, and lied about it. thankfully easydns directly told what happened to them so that we know precisely who amazon caved in to.
my apps, business, customers are far valuable to risk by using amazon's spineless (tm) services.
either someone already registered something that your 'original' idea has similar parts to, or, registering it as of this moment, or will do it in a few days.
even if you run to register it yourself, its almost certain that someone registered something that can be used for dmca against you.
there is no end to this. you cant avoid dmca. eventually, if your thing becomes popular, someone will file one to you and you will either have to pay up (if you can come to a consensus) or fight it out in courts.
you said minefield. yea, it is. it is an evergrowing minefield in which anyone can mine anyone else, and the only ones who can traverse that minefield are those who have sufficient wealth. (armies of lawyers).
this is inevitable result of patent/copyright/trademark systems. you start giving ownership of ideas and creatives of mind to people, and eventually there comes a point in which the bulk of what mankind has created and what can be used for creating further stuff, becomes registered/owned. and then the turf wars begin.
it took approx 100 years for saturation to be reached. we are at the initial stage of the turf wars. from that point on, it may go in 2 ways :
a) consolidation begins, and a new era of intellectual feudalism begins, in which ideas and concepts are owned by a power hierarchy from top to bottom. (just like in the current economic system of products and services). you get to having to either pay up, or get permission for whatever you are doing.
b) rebellion begins, and countries and people start to abandon the idea of intellectual property.
c) an odd, unproductive state ensues in which the feudalism is still there, but it is largely ignored, unless what someone has created becomes popular/profitable. then vultures start hammering home.
Yet here we are, raising up Wikileaks as the champion of transparency and the greatest thing to happen for democracy and freedom in recent history.
well you know what ? it actually is. it is the best champion of transparency and greatest thing to happen for democracy in freedom in recent history, because, WE ARE IN SO MUCH CRAP.
that should tell you its importance. to even start fixing it, we need wikileaks to expose all the shit. only then, you can start to expect 'real' champions of transparency to come forth. and maybe at that point you will realize that, it only has been possible with the efforts of wikileaks.
What? huh? where? according to whom? Because you say so?
dont talk like a moron and deteriorate this discussion.
are you aware of how much money was spent in last elections ? presidential, senatorial ? last election for senate and congress broke all election spending records in history.
People absolutely go from town to town, or door to door within a single town (probably not in a horse cart) for local elections.
LOCAL ELECTIONS. power is not your local neighborhood association, or your country schmazagoo. even in any kind of state election you need serious amounts of money, which the normal people cannot afford, and instead have to seek out from rich that can donate. lucky ones may get donations from a lot of middle class people and make it in without becoming whores. unlucky ones, REGARDLESS of what ideas they have and what quality they have, cannot make it even into state senates if they cant provide the money themselves.
Your post was about necessary resources for human beings to survive. You have now changed your tune to 'necessary resources to get elected to office,' which is a completely different question, to say nothing of the sheer absurdity of your 'right' to get elected. How can every human possibly have a 'right to get elected?'
my post was about freedoms. whether the freedoms that we are told we have, are real, or not. it turns out that, they are NOT real, because it takes money to practice any of them.
This is clearly true, given your apparent awareness of reason and facts.
What you are describing is far more tyrannical than any private corporation could ever be, because it relies entirely on somebody deciding what services humans are entitled to and then deciding who must provide them and how.
dont talk without knowing shit on what you are talking about.
chinese system relies totally on ELECTED representatives at every level to decide what happens. you are the one electing them. dont like their policies ? dont elect them. simple. you have the power.
american system gives control totally to individuals and corporations which are NOT elected and can be as big as entire countries in size. 3 corporations control an aspect of life and totally determine what the prices and features of products or services in that field of life will be. YOU HAVE NO POWER IN THIS. there is no democracy involved. you are just said 'buy from someone else if you dont want'. basically it is a 'if you dont like your lord, move' version of feudalism that was found in england.
however, just like how 4 dukes controlled entirety of the country in england in practice, 2-3 companies control any aspect of life. you wont be able to go, seek, and buy the 10% minority producer that you can choose. it will be too inefficient, costly and burdensome for you, hampering other aspects of your life financially or through other means. so, just like how you cant just move to another state if you have bills to pay, people to take care for, you cant choose any other provider at will like that either.
EVEN so that in some aspects of life you can buy from 3 low level manufacturers, or none. like, how unilever, p&g and one more firm totally control the raw materials that are used in detergent and cleaning products production. you may be thinking that you are buying brand X, but your brand X from company Y buys their raw materials from either of those 3 companies.
you arent as free as a chinese. these 3 companies determine what will be used in your house for cleaning.
and, china is not repressive because of its regime. china is repressive as cultural heritage. first emperor of china buried 100,000 or more people in the great wall, at ancient times. it has been as such from that point to now.
learn to distinguish in between systems and cultures first, then talk.
and, who decides what should be secrets ? the ruling government of the private interests in power !!!! yesh !!!
that is the way to freedom indeed !!! allow secrets and allow censorship because of those secrets, BUT, let the elected representatives sponsored by PRIVATE interests decide what should be secrets !!!!!!!
you are not 1884 material, you are more 1300s material. you would happily live in a place where catholic church had inquisition.
or, you have not been able to comprehend the post you replied to.
you may also have come to this space/time continuum by some shitty time machine you have invented back in 1884, with all your moronic 'do you love your country' jargon that you are even unable to understand that who is censoring the internet is not assange, but 'the land of the free'.
all in all, you are surreal sir. either go back to 1884, or dont talk.
I struggle to give a flying rats feces about it. I realize to the rest of the world seeing the U.S. getting a finger in the eye is tantamount to a juicy episode of American Idol but they opened the door and were surprised to find that not everyone was going to kiss their gluteus maximus in thanks.
the episode of wikileaks is proving entire world, how big a lie democracy and freedom in western world is.
hopefully, it can wake fools like you up, but, it doesnt seem to have made a zit of an effect on you. bad for you. not for us.
we are talking history here, and someone mods it down. 'too informative' maybe ? it seems true that facts deepen zealots' fixation in their beliefs, like said in that research...
You furthermore describe credit card processing as a resource to which you have some basic, human entitlement. The minimum standards for both having a card and accepting credit card transactions are not very high, so it's not very far removed from what would be necessary if it were such a basic need, but it ain't. They aren't withholding bread, water, electricity, fuel, or oxygen -- they're the gatekeepers to a tremendously complex commerce network which they developed, and there are so many gatekeepers that even if a single individual ran Visa like a tyrant, it would be quite difficult to 'deprive' you of their 'resources.'
credit card processing as a resource, access to mass media, access to funds to be able to get elected, are basic, human entitlements.
because, we are not living in 1774, at a time in which a person could start going from town to town by a horsecart and give speeches to electorate, and expect to get elected.
you need access to mass media. you need to appear on televisions. newspapers. spend millions advertising.
that is the only way you can exercise your right to get elected. getting elected to higher positions, require proportionally higher (maybe exponentially) amenities and resources.
it doesnt matter what the reason is. it doesnt matter what the factors are.
this system, prevents you from using your freedoms. that is what matters here. that is the problem.
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first, 'swedish police department' doesnt deal justice. they implement prosecutors' orders, which is a part of judiciary. just like in any country.
/. uids and log off from the site.
second, one prosecutor dropped the case, another prosecutor, mysteriously, DESPITE it has been out of its jurisdiction and already handled, reopened the case. then, they had issued a warrant for assange TO GET HIS TESTIMONY. not to arrest him, not to do anything else. but interestingly, despite they were obliged to contact assange by swedish law, and the exact location of assange was known to entire swedish judiciary, that prosecutor's office had opted out to VIOLATE swedish law, by not contacting assange. they just directly went to press, saying that we issued a warrant to have him come here and issue a testimony.
then, interpol took that, and turned that testimony warrant to an ARREST warrant.
in the meantime, fox news and all those other news channels in america, who are used to fool morons, has been pumping up 'rape' bullshit to morons. the morons who believed them of course.
and now today someone comes up saying that rape charges came out of swedish 'police department'. wow. judiciary in sweden, apparently changes day to day, by what bullshit fox serves americans.
the 2 idiots who modded you up, please hand in your
Unfortunately it has turned out to be little more than Assange's personal attack on the US
so your problem is, u.s. being attacked ? then which of the following facts you would like to choose as a counter argument :
a) u.s. is the biggest perpetrator of shit, and whatever happens outside russian, chinese influence zone, is of america's doing. if there is any shit outside russia, china, it will be because of usa. as the leaks show.
b) u.s. sources leaked many documents. what is coming out, are u.s. documents. if you want to see some russian documents, please kindly go become a russian citizen, start working in a top secret office, then leak those documents.
c) it doesnt matter flying fuck which country is being 'attacked', and whether the person doing that 'attack' has a personal grudge against that country. TRUTH IS TRUTH. there is no preference in regard to truth. you cant say 'oh, but you have exposed too much truth about x, stop now' -> this is not a moronic pissing contest. truth, is truth, in whatever amount, against whatever it is exposed. it doesnt matter whether the one exposing has a 'personal agenda' either. TRUTH IS STILL TRUTH.
much of it uncalled for, unhelpful
unhelpful to united states i reckon. i dont give a flying fuck about that. you know, approx 200+ other countries of the world, do not give a fuck either. 7 billion - 250 million people do not give a flying fuck about it too. uncalled for ? well, i find the exposure of filthy plans, bul
anything happens to assange, or his team, death, injury, arrest, all the information they have will come out uncensored, with names in it. all the operatives, double agents, moles, contacts of all secret agencies, will be out there in the open, uncensored, unremoved.
.... if you get the 'producers' reference.
wikileaks has been removing the names from the documents up till this point. if, anyone does something against him, it will be 'springtime with agents in middle east' or something
that shows how intelligent conservatives are. really, no offense, but one has to be stupid to back something that they doggedly opposed for so long, when just some emotional trigger is invoked.
galactic senate in clone wars, is a mixed lot. american senate, is corrupt with each and every one of those in it.
as interesting as interesting goes, indeed.
not leave people worried that backing WikiLeaks is backing a rapist?
morons you mean. morons who get their news from american mainstream media, and believe them.
....
...
there is no sexual assault. calling something sexual assault only makes it a sexual assault, in fox news. actually any moron watching it may be deserving bullshit, however
assange had sex with two different women. BOTH of the women stated that sex was voluntary. BEFORE, and AFTER the stuff hit the court.
the ironic part is, this issue didnt become a 'policeworthy' issue, until the two women learned that assange slept with both of them. when they learned this, they suddenly decided to seek counsel from the police, and went to police to see what their options are. naturally, the issue was right what the bloodsuckers in usa wanted, and despite the local prosecution dropped the case, their lapdogs in other places in sweden reopened it in their district.
so basically, everything is just two bitches not being able to stomach the fact that a guy they were screwing slept with someone else.
what is appalling is, there being MORONS who buy out the shit american mainstream media and government craps out. what is more appalling is, that there are actually people in a place like slashdot doing that too.
maybe i have too much expectations from this place, in regard to iq and cognitive power level of the participants
if i was amazon, that would change my choice. because, i am told i was living in a country that had freedoms. in addition, despite justice in america requires a lot of money, if i was amazon, i would have enough money to afford an army of lawyers to sue and participate in court cases on my behalf.
so, all it depends would be the spine factor involved. amazon didnt have spine. facebook also got threatened, but they showed more spine than amazon. and they arent as rich yet.
the idiocy here is that, murdering someone doesnt make that firearm illegal. what is illegal is MURDERING someone. not the firearm.
even if you murder someone with a firearm, firearm still stays legal. it just becomes an evidence for the murder.
your logic is faulty.
show me the place where it says 'freedoms are conditional', anywhere in bill of rights, or human rights declaration. show me the place it says 'there is freedom of speech BUT'.
if you cant, dont bullshit from your butt. what you are doing is just justifying repression. doesnt matter what your excuse or reason is.
shitty moronic justifications. self-fooling. delusive.
....' is not a valid excuse for censorship.
it doesnt matter what freedom is used. freedom is freedom. 'you are using freedom for
people can use their freedom for whatever they want. THAT IS WHY IT IS CALLED FREEDOM.
as long as morons like you around, who use various justifications and add prefixes to concept of freedom to allow/disallow it conditionally, there can be no freedom.
the FREE part in the word freedom, apparently, eludes you.
i wouldnt do flying fuck. im not american.
so you are saying that, if assange didnt use the freedom, noone would censor it ?
oh gee. i didnt think it that way ! so, its ok as long as we dont use our freedoms - we wont risk losing them !!!
after they kicked off wikileaks, like spineless, witless cowards after pressure from some fatass u.s. senator, and lied about it. thankfully easydns directly told what happened to them so that we know precisely who amazon caved in to.
my apps, business, customers are far valuable to risk by using amazon's spineless (tm) services.
..... ehh never mind. forget it.
bullshit of the first order.
either someone already registered something that your 'original' idea has similar parts to, or, registering it as of this moment, or will do it in a few days.
even if you run to register it yourself, its almost certain that someone registered something that can be used for dmca against you.
there is no end to this. you cant avoid dmca. eventually, if your thing becomes popular, someone will file one to you and you will either have to pay up (if you can come to a consensus) or fight it out in courts.
you said minefield. yea, it is. it is an evergrowing minefield in which anyone can mine anyone else, and the only ones who can traverse that minefield are those who have sufficient wealth. (armies of lawyers).
this is inevitable result of patent/copyright/trademark systems. you start giving ownership of ideas and creatives of mind to people, and eventually there comes a point in which the bulk of what mankind has created and what can be used for creating further stuff, becomes registered/owned. and then the turf wars begin.
it took approx 100 years for saturation to be reached. we are at the initial stage of the turf wars. from that point on, it may go in 2 ways :
a) consolidation begins, and a new era of intellectual feudalism begins, in which ideas and concepts are owned by a power hierarchy from top to bottom. (just like in the current economic system of products and services). you get to having to either pay up, or get permission for whatever you are doing.
b) rebellion begins, and countries and people start to abandon the idea of intellectual property.
c) an odd, unproductive state ensues in which the feudalism is still there, but it is largely ignored, unless what someone has created becomes popular/profitable. then vultures start hammering home.
Tho im way too late to join in the discussion :
its WikiLeaks, not WikiPedia.
Please. Do go on.
i dont have the time at 08.00
Yet here we are, raising up Wikileaks as the champion of transparency and the greatest thing to happen for democracy and freedom in recent history.
well you know what ? it actually is. it is the best champion of transparency and greatest thing to happen for democracy in freedom in recent history, because, WE ARE IN SO MUCH CRAP.
that should tell you its importance. to even start fixing it, we need wikileaks to expose all the shit. only then, you can start to expect 'real' champions of transparency to come forth. and maybe at that point you will realize that, it only has been possible with the efforts of wikileaks.
What? huh? where? according to whom? Because you say so?
dont talk like a moron and deteriorate this discussion.
are you aware of how much money was spent in last elections ? presidential, senatorial ? last election for senate and congress broke all election spending records in history.
People absolutely go from town to town, or door to door within a single town (probably not in a horse cart) for local elections.
LOCAL ELECTIONS. power is not your local neighborhood association, or your country schmazagoo. even in any kind of state election you need serious amounts of money, which the normal people cannot afford, and instead have to seek out from rich that can donate. lucky ones may get donations from a lot of middle class people and make it in without becoming whores. unlucky ones, REGARDLESS of what ideas they have and what quality they have, cannot make it even into state senates if they cant provide the money themselves.
Your post was about necessary resources for human beings to survive. You have now changed your tune to 'necessary resources to get elected to office,' which is a completely different question, to say nothing of the sheer absurdity of your 'right' to get elected. How can every human possibly have a 'right to get elected?'
my post was about freedoms. whether the freedoms that we are told we have, are real, or not. it turns out that, they are NOT real, because it takes money to practice any of them.
This is clearly true, given your apparent awareness of reason and facts. What you are describing is far more tyrannical than any private corporation could ever be, because it relies entirely on somebody deciding what services humans are entitled to and then deciding who must provide them and how.
dont talk without knowing shit on what you are talking about.
chinese system relies totally on ELECTED representatives at every level to decide what happens. you are the one electing them. dont like their policies ? dont elect them. simple. you have the power.
american system gives control totally to individuals and corporations which are NOT elected and can be as big as entire countries in size. 3 corporations control an aspect of life and totally determine what the prices and features of products or services in that field of life will be. YOU HAVE NO POWER IN THIS. there is no democracy involved. you are just said 'buy from someone else if you dont want'. basically it is a 'if you dont like your lord, move' version of feudalism that was found in england.
however, just like how 4 dukes controlled entirety of the country in england in practice, 2-3 companies control any aspect of life. you wont be able to go, seek, and buy the 10% minority producer that you can choose. it will be too inefficient, costly and burdensome for you, hampering other aspects of your life financially or through other means. so, just like how you cant just move to another state if you have bills to pay, people to take care for, you cant choose any other provider at will like that either.
EVEN so that in some aspects of life you can buy from 3 low level manufacturers, or none. like, how unilever, p&g and one more firm totally control the raw materials that are used in detergent and cleaning products production. you may be thinking that you are buying brand X, but your brand X from company Y buys their raw materials from either of those 3 companies.
you arent as free as a chinese. these 3 companies determine what will be used in your house for cleaning.
and, china is not repressive because of its regime. china is repressive as cultural heritage. first emperor of china buried 100,000 or more people in the great wall, at ancient times. it has been as such from that point to now.
learn to distinguish in between systems and cultures first, then talk.
and, who decides what should be secrets ? the ruling government of the private interests in power !!!! yesh !!!
that is the way to freedom indeed !!! allow secrets and allow censorship because of those secrets, BUT, let the elected representatives sponsored by PRIVATE interests decide what should be secrets !!!!!!!
you are not 1884 material, you are more 1300s material. you would happily live in a place where catholic church had inquisition.
or, you have not been able to comprehend the post you replied to.
you may also have come to this space/time continuum by some shitty time machine you have invented back in 1884, with all your moronic 'do you love your country' jargon that you are even unable to understand that who is censoring the internet is not assange, but 'the land of the free'.
all in all, you are surreal sir. either go back to 1884, or dont talk.
I struggle to give a flying rats feces about it. I realize to the rest of the world seeing the U.S. getting a finger in the eye is tantamount to a juicy episode of American Idol but they opened the door and were surprised to find that not everyone was going to kiss their gluteus maximus in thanks.
the episode of wikileaks is proving entire world, how big a lie democracy and freedom in western world is.
hopefully, it can wake fools like you up, but, it doesnt seem to have made a zit of an effect on you. bad for you. not for us.
we are talking history here, and someone mods it down. 'too informative' maybe ? it seems true that facts deepen zealots' fixation in their beliefs, like said in that research ...
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1896026&cid=34444004
You furthermore describe credit card processing as a resource to which you have some basic, human entitlement. The minimum standards for both having a card and accepting credit card transactions are not very high, so it's not very far removed from what would be necessary if it were such a basic need, but it ain't. They aren't withholding bread, water, electricity, fuel, or oxygen -- they're the gatekeepers to a tremendously complex commerce network which they developed, and there are so many gatekeepers that even if a single individual ran Visa like a tyrant, it would be quite difficult to 'deprive' you of their 'resources.'
credit card processing as a resource, access to mass media, access to funds to be able to get elected, are basic, human entitlements.
because, we are not living in 1774, at a time in which a person could start going from town to town by a horsecart and give speeches to electorate, and expect to get elected.
you need access to mass media. you need to appear on televisions. newspapers. spend millions advertising.
that is the only way you can exercise your right to get elected. getting elected to higher positions, require proportionally higher (maybe exponentially) amenities and resources.
it doesnt matter what the reason is. it doesnt matter what the factors are.
this system, prevents you from using your freedoms. that is what matters here. that is the problem.