"property is theft" is an an idiocy really... pie in the sky.. people just want "stuff" for many reasons they just "want it".
is it ?
or is it something that has been carved into the history of mankind over 1.5 thousand years, starting with early roman empire, continuing to evolve with feudalism (ownership of entire swaths of land and even people in an organized system), and then translated into our 'modern' values through the late britain history, its colonialism and the countries that emerged from it.... by use of arms, and repression, slaughtering of countless unarmed peasants over the last thousand years....
actually, it indeed is.
that is a conditioned behavior set. a social bias. there are innumerable species. and even a lot of species stop pissing off their 'territory' as they go up in the evolutionary ladder, and adopt a cooperative, communal behavior set.
the 'reality' of today, has been made the reality of today, by minority interests.
and, 1840's french anarchists pipe dreams was the stuff that made the ideals of 1774 and 1789 revolutions, the VERY ideals which you take as 'modern' principles, a reality. actually, the very people who created that complicated property system were trying to suppress those ideals in early 1800s, and the 'pipe dreams' of the 1840s french anarchists and the following riots that followed them were precisely the things that saved your grand grandfather's ass from again becoming a subject in a feudal or feudalized property. thank those pipe dreamers for changing the course of history.
there wont be any chinese empire. chinese is just contributing to u.s. downfall. there will be 3 focuses - eu, russia and china. with india probably being the 4th, minor.
but it's just humorous to see you make the complaints you do, when china is guilty of the same crimes, as well as plenty of other countries. that doesn't excuse the usa, but it does put your venom against the usa in the proper light: you are not motivated by principals
you need to brush up on your history. china has been able to repress its citizens, and a few countries around it. eastern bloc, was confined to eastern europe and russia.
usa, on the other hand, has held an uncontested dominion through dozens of puppet dictators in the rest of the world. all the while touting to protect democracy and freedom. and, somehow, citizens of usa were able to melt pursuit of spreading democracy and freedom and the puppet dictators, in the same pot....
im not 'complaining' by the way. there is nothing to complain. we are not in cold war, u.s. no longer 'is', it is practically owned by china, and the rest of the world has already taken over.... im just pointing to your hypocrisy.
or, continue to hate the usa uniquely. that's ok by me. then just admit you have an anti-american prejudice. which again, is ok, plenty of people do, even a lot of americans
i dont have any qualms from directly declaring something i feel or do. had i hated usa, i would have said that, i hated usa.
one thing im saying is, however, i hate hypocrisy.
you need to talk to your cats A LOT more. they dont like being trained. but, i found out that they are sensitive what their 'owners' want. if you really want a cat to do something, if you continually talk to it as if s/he was a human, and ask for it, s/he will eventually come around.
its not about 'revenge'. its about practical reality.
your country have mooched off of the resources of the world, by making it into a dominion, installing puppet dictators to repress the people for its own benefit, and even setting up super-secret organizations to do very filthy shit in 1st world countries in order to protect its 'interests'.
so, usa has been living the 'american dream' at the cost of people's lives and freedoms around the world. and it didnt pay a single dime for it, if you dont count repression by petty dictators, or assassinations as payment. and now, you come up complaining, talking about rights, paying back etc ?
if you talk about 'justice' one would expect all the generations that grew up living the 'american dream' to pay back to the world.
maybe thats exactly what they are doing, with all that outsourcing, offshoring their jobs. karma alleviation eh...
not to mention that, china has bought that technology transfer with the deal they made 20 years ago.
you are bullshitting. its evolution. cats are local creatures, living in an area they picked. dogs are migratory creatures, living in plains as herds, migrating from place to place. for a dog, shitting wherever it wants wont do any harm. for a cat, it will litter its environment and curb his smell sense. thats why cats evolved to bury their shit, while dogs crap out of nowhere.
A species which is not only not inclined to being trained, but also dislikes being trained or being made anything, 'getting trained' cannot be a measure of smartness.
Its really stupid anyway. The argument is totally biased in regard to societal biases of the current human civilization : "if you do what i tell you to do, you are smart". thats the gist of it, and such is the result of the 'research' that comes out of it.
That sounds like "Smooth Operator". A good sade song could be made out of this. Oooh shhhy traavellleeerrrrr... Shhhhhy traavelleeeerrr * Pat me down with your genitaliaaa * Unnderweaaring att thee aiiir poort *
he means where you brought over those german nazis, who have presided over factories in which slave labor was employed to the point of death, gave them jobs, citizenship, and a chance to........ well not exactly continue the practice of slave labor, of course.
just like how you have employed ex gestapo as an anti-eastern bloc spy net during cold war, leading to the impeccable shit cia and similar organizations perpetrated, thanks to their influence in their ranks.
There was a lot of 'know-how' and 'technology transfer' fad, when the cold war ended. Needing markets and clients, a lot of sectors were doing agreements of technology transfer with the client countries, doing some technology transfer and teaching them how to use and develop the technologies that were being employed, in return for getting the contract. In fact, this was the dominant pattern in defense industry in between 1990-2000.
it was all giddy when they were getting all those contracts, and now, with the advent of the 'ip/patent' fad in usa, it all turned upside down ?
well excuse me, you cant just agree to a tech transfer as a part of a contract, and then just chicken out when you feel you should be making even more money by patent trolling with it. in the strictest and most polite of the term ; suck it up.
logically, if you look at through nature's laws, anything that exists on the planet, any resource, should be available to all. there is NO distinction in between a species, from nature's eyes.
but, the species, inside themselves, create a social bias, saying that 'this belongs to him, that belongs to them'. and, just like low level species pissing in their territory to mark it, they mark those resources in their minds.
so, what is available to all, now became available to few. what is the resource of the nature to everyone, has been now, 'stolen' by a few.
that is what property means. walling off things. its no different than stealing, in that regard.
marx's objection is this ; where there is no property, there is no property theft. it is right. if there isnt something, then, theft of it cant happen. but, where there is no property, claiming property becomes a theft.
nothing is taken when a digital copy is copied. it is a COPY. it doesnt take approx 20 seconds or so to copy an average cd's worth of game.
in the process MORE of the product is created, with NO cost to anyone.
you dont TAKE things in this case, you PRODUCE those things, as the one who is taking it. there was one copy before, now there are two copies of the game.
Sell your game cheap. you wont have piracy. If you make the cost of legally buying the game much higher than the cost of downloading it illegally, people will pirate. And this cost also includes any hassles they have to go through to buy the game - going to store, or drm, or whatever.
and no. you wont be able to deter them through legal action, lawsuits fines etc. for every one of them you fine, there will be 10 more still downloading. because, people will tend to take the more economical route whenever they can.
death penalty didnt even stop smuggling back in mercantilist era. people smuggled at the cost of their lives. they smuggled so much that, even in the authoritarian and heavy handed spanish main, the spanish colonies, trade with the countries spain was in war with was at times nearing the volume of trade with spain. 'trade' is an ironic word there, because, there shouldnt be any trade with any country other than spain at all, according to mercantilist laws. but people did it.
its the same. if you try to push a game from $39 a pop, despite the cost of reproducing that game is close to nil per copy if you offer it digitally, they are going to pirate it.
probably one may pop the issue of 'production costs is millions'. yeah, right, its millions, but its an overhead. its a one time cost. ironically, you would be selling less copies from $39 apiece, than you would, say $5 apiece, and this would make it harder for you to recuperate your production costs. there is no difference in between selling multitudes of digital downloads from cheaper price, or boxes, cds from $39 apiece. even, when you sell from $5 apiece, people who lose their installation may just buy the game again, in case they lose it in a few years. with cds, that wont happen.
if you are planning to sell a digital download from $39 apiece however, dont, instead just shove it up your ass. those who have no inclination to sync with the desires of the market, deserve to be pirated.
Net wide i mean. With all participants possible - from google to small companies, from ngos to individual donors. An international unix consortium or something can be created, and everyone can donate to that, and the consortium can buy and release unix as public domain or gpl, therefore ridding unix and linux and all the companies and individuals using them of all these troubles. There had already been such organizations founded back in 2005 or so to defend net neutrality. It can happen again.
fatalities were bad. anything that came after the x-treme music, was bad. i kinda remember they changed something with the chip production or someting back then, or their contractor. x-treme musics were not being produced, they were hard to find, everyone was looking for them online and offline.
it depends on what you buy. i bought a creative x-treme music card years ago. its sound quality (coupled with an altec lansing fx6021 speaker set) is "beyond". i have stopped using our family's beloved 5 rack pioneer set with its expensive speakers.
both x-treme music card and altec lansing fx6021 were rather cheap. no, you really dont need to spend $400 on a hipster-labeled 'Beyond gameRx SuperCardBrand', but, you should spend some if you want to get some.
unfortunately both xtreme music and fx6021 are not on the market anymore. i can understand that sb moved onto new cards (despite having a very bad batch after x-treme music), but i cannot understand why altec stopped making stellar in-concert array speakers like fx6021 and moved to 'hipster appledy' shit.
So, the guy was smart enough to hack into a federal reserve and get 400 k card nos, smart enough to hack into a dod contractor and acquired sensitive budgeting and military information, but, he was stupid enough to come to usa to sell a number of credit card numbers at a FUCKING DINER.
excuse me, but that kind of bullshit can only make idiots believe itself. anyone who has the slightest understanding of tech world will know that the person at a caliber like the above will never leave deep, unreachable recesses of china, russia, or wherever country his is, and will never send any drones to conduct business with computers containing very critical information like the above. especially, not into a country that he has hacked.
im guessing that, this setup was arranged by the u.s. government to reinforce its hands in arguing for 'greater security measures' (locking in and censorship) for internet in the recent ridiculous statements it is making, trying to set up an agenda. and the federal reserve hack and dod contractor hack data was probably implanted by 'other sources' involved in the affair.
meaning, 'controlling them'. maybe it would be much better if this 'security' shit is altogether forfeited. to provide 'security', we are restraining and controlling ourselves much more than a foreign occupant would actually do.
isnt it rather because technology finally reached a point where a device that is the size of a tablet provides acceptable resolution, processing power, battery life, thinness/lightness, and an acceptable touchscreen interface ? and apple jumped in at the right time ?
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"property is theft" is an an idiocy really... pie in the sky.. people just want "stuff" for many reasons they just "want it".
is it ?
.... by use of arms, and repression, slaughtering of countless unarmed peasants over the last thousand years ....
or is it something that has been carved into the history of mankind over 1.5 thousand years, starting with early roman empire, continuing to evolve with feudalism (ownership of entire swaths of land and even people in an organized system), and then translated into our 'modern' values through the late britain history, its colonialism and the countries that emerged from it
actually, it indeed is.
that is a conditioned behavior set. a social bias. there are innumerable species. and even a lot of species stop pissing off their 'territory' as they go up in the evolutionary ladder, and adopt a cooperative, communal behavior set.
the 'reality' of today, has been made the reality of today, by minority interests.
and, 1840's french anarchists pipe dreams was the stuff that made the ideals of 1774 and 1789 revolutions, the VERY ideals which you take as 'modern' principles, a reality. actually, the very people who created that complicated property system were trying to suppress those ideals in early 1800s, and the 'pipe dreams' of the 1840s french anarchists and the following riots that followed them were precisely the things that saved your grand grandfather's ass from again becoming a subject in a feudal or feudalized property. thank those pipe dreamers for changing the course of history.
there wont be any chinese empire. chinese is just contributing to u.s. downfall. there will be 3 focuses - eu, russia and china. with india probably being the 4th, minor.
but it's just humorous to see you make the complaints you do, when china is guilty of the same crimes, as well as plenty of other countries. that doesn't excuse the usa, but it does put your venom against the usa in the proper light: you are not motivated by principals
you need to brush up on your history. china has been able to repress its citizens, and a few countries around it. eastern bloc, was confined to eastern europe and russia.
....
... im just pointing to your hypocrisy.
usa, on the other hand, has held an uncontested dominion through dozens of puppet dictators in the rest of the world. all the while touting to protect democracy and freedom. and, somehow, citizens of usa were able to melt pursuit of spreading democracy and freedom and the puppet dictators, in the same pot
im not 'complaining' by the way. there is nothing to complain. we are not in cold war, u.s. no longer 'is', it is practically owned by china, and the rest of the world has already taken over.
or, continue to hate the usa uniquely. that's ok by me. then just admit you have an anti-american prejudice. which again, is ok, plenty of people do, even a lot of americans
i dont have any qualms from directly declaring something i feel or do. had i hated usa, i would have said that, i hated usa.
one thing im saying is, however, i hate hypocrisy.
you need to talk to your cats A LOT more. they dont like being trained. but, i found out that they are sensitive what their 'owners' want. if you really want a cat to do something, if you continually talk to it as if s/he was a human, and ask for it, s/he will eventually come around.
its not about 'revenge'. its about practical reality.
...
your country have mooched off of the resources of the world, by making it into a dominion, installing puppet dictators to repress the people for its own benefit, and even setting up super-secret organizations to do very filthy shit in 1st world countries in order to protect its 'interests'.
http://www.google.com/search?q=gladio&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
so, usa has been living the 'american dream' at the cost of people's lives and freedoms around the world. and it didnt pay a single dime for it, if you dont count repression by petty dictators, or assassinations as payment. and now, you come up complaining, talking about rights, paying back etc ?
if you talk about 'justice' one would expect all the generations that grew up living the 'american dream' to pay back to the world.
maybe thats exactly what they are doing, with all that outsourcing, offshoring their jobs. karma alleviation eh
not to mention that, china has bought that technology transfer with the deal they made 20 years ago.
you are bullshitting. its evolution. cats are local creatures, living in an area they picked. dogs are migratory creatures, living in plains as herds, migrating from place to place. for a dog, shitting wherever it wants wont do any harm. for a cat, it will litter its environment and curb his smell sense. thats why cats evolved to bury their shit, while dogs crap out of nowhere.
A species which is not only not inclined to being trained, but also dislikes being trained or being made anything, 'getting trained' cannot be a measure of smartness.
Its really stupid anyway. The argument is totally biased in regard to societal biases of the current human civilization : "if you do what i tell you to do, you are smart". thats the gist of it, and such is the result of the 'research' that comes out of it.
someone pls mod parent up
That sounds like "Smooth Operator". A good sade song could be made out of this. Oooh shhhy traavellleeerrrrr ... Shhhhhy traavelleeeerrr * Pat me down with your genitaliaaa * Unnderweaaring att thee aiiir poort *
you have lived off of others' souls, while maintaining that american dream of yours, thanks to the colonial empire you built over blood.
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/US_ThirdWorld/dictators.html
he means where you brought over those german nazis, who have presided over factories in which slave labor was employed to the point of death, gave them jobs, citizenship, and a chance to ........ well not exactly continue the practice of slave labor, of course.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wernher_von_Braun#Slave_labor
just like how you have employed ex gestapo as an anti-eastern bloc spy net during cold war, leading to the impeccable shit cia and similar organizations perpetrated, thanks to their influence in their ranks.
No need to visit China - just to Appalachia (like west virginia).
your example is way too specific. it sounds like a first hand experience.
There was a lot of 'know-how' and 'technology transfer' fad, when the cold war ended. Needing markets and clients, a lot of sectors were doing agreements of technology transfer with the client countries, doing some technology transfer and teaching them how to use and develop the technologies that were being employed, in return for getting the contract. In fact, this was the dominant pattern in defense industry in between 1990-2000.
it was all giddy when they were getting all those contracts, and now, with the advent of the 'ip/patent' fad in usa, it all turned upside down ?
well excuse me, you cant just agree to a tech transfer as a part of a contract, and then just chicken out when you feel you should be making even more money by patent trolling with it. in the strictest and most polite of the term ; suck it up.
logically, if you look at through nature's laws, anything that exists on the planet, any resource, should be available to all. there is NO distinction in between a species, from nature's eyes.
but, the species, inside themselves, create a social bias, saying that 'this belongs to him, that belongs to them'. and, just like low level species pissing in their territory to mark it, they mark those resources in their minds.
so, what is available to all, now became available to few. what is the resource of the nature to everyone, has been now, 'stolen' by a few.
that is what property means. walling off things. its no different than stealing, in that regard.
marx's objection is this ; where there is no property, there is no property theft. it is right. if there isnt something, then, theft of it cant happen. but, where there is no property, claiming property becomes a theft.
nothing is taken when a digital copy is copied. it is a COPY. it doesnt take approx 20 seconds or so to copy an average cd's worth of game.
in the process MORE of the product is created, with NO cost to anyone.
you dont TAKE things in this case, you PRODUCE those things, as the one who is taking it. there was one copy before, now there are two copies of the game.
Sell your game cheap. you wont have piracy. If you make the cost of legally buying the game much higher than the cost of downloading it illegally, people will pirate. And this cost also includes any hassles they have to go through to buy the game - going to store, or drm, or whatever.
and no. you wont be able to deter them through legal action, lawsuits fines etc. for every one of them you fine, there will be 10 more still downloading. because, people will tend to take the more economical route whenever they can.
death penalty didnt even stop smuggling back in mercantilist era. people smuggled at the cost of their lives. they smuggled so much that, even in the authoritarian and heavy handed spanish main, the spanish colonies, trade with the countries spain was in war with was at times nearing the volume of trade with spain. 'trade' is an ironic word there, because, there shouldnt be any trade with any country other than spain at all, according to mercantilist laws. but people did it.
its the same. if you try to push a game from $39 a pop, despite the cost of reproducing that game is close to nil per copy if you offer it digitally, they are going to pirate it.
probably one may pop the issue of 'production costs is millions'. yeah, right, its millions, but its an overhead. its a one time cost. ironically, you would be selling less copies from $39 apiece, than you would, say $5 apiece, and this would make it harder for you to recuperate your production costs. there is no difference in between selling multitudes of digital downloads from cheaper price, or boxes, cds from $39 apiece. even, when you sell from $5 apiece, people who lose their installation may just buy the game again, in case they lose it in a few years. with cds, that wont happen.
if you are planning to sell a digital download from $39 apiece however, dont, instead just shove it up your ass. those who have no inclination to sync with the desires of the market, deserve to be pirated.
there was an earlier batch of x treme music that didnt fall in that category. people were looking for that for that very reason.
what you say doesnt seem so surreal to me. tho, i would say that its good that such people are still about in this time and age.
Net wide i mean. With all participants possible - from google to small companies, from ngos to individual donors. An international unix consortium or something can be created, and everyone can donate to that, and the consortium can buy and release unix as public domain or gpl, therefore ridding unix and linux and all the companies and individuals using them of all these troubles. There had already been such organizations founded back in 2005 or so to defend net neutrality. It can happen again.
fatalities were bad. anything that came after the x-treme music, was bad. i kinda remember they changed something with the chip production or someting back then, or their contractor. x-treme musics were not being produced, they were hard to find, everyone was looking for them online and offline.
it depends on what you buy. i bought a creative x-treme music card years ago. its sound quality (coupled with an altec lansing fx6021 speaker set) is "beyond". i have stopped using our family's beloved 5 rack pioneer set with its expensive speakers.
both x-treme music card and altec lansing fx6021 were rather cheap. no, you really dont need to spend $400 on a hipster-labeled 'Beyond gameRx SuperCardBrand', but, you should spend some if you want to get some.
unfortunately both xtreme music and fx6021 are not on the market anymore. i can understand that sb moved onto new cards (despite having a very bad batch after x-treme music), but i cannot understand why altec stopped making stellar in-concert array speakers like fx6021 and moved to 'hipster appledy' shit.
So, the guy was smart enough to hack into a federal reserve and get 400 k card nos, smart enough to hack into a dod contractor and acquired sensitive budgeting and military information, but, he was stupid enough to come to usa to sell a number of credit card numbers at a FUCKING DINER.
excuse me, but that kind of bullshit can only make idiots believe itself. anyone who has the slightest understanding of tech world will know that the person at a caliber like the above will never leave deep, unreachable recesses of china, russia, or wherever country his is, and will never send any drones to conduct business with computers containing very critical information like the above. especially, not into a country that he has hacked.
im guessing that, this setup was arranged by the u.s. government to reinforce its hands in arguing for 'greater security measures' (locking in and censorship) for internet in the recent ridiculous statements it is making, trying to set up an agenda. and the federal reserve hack and dod contractor hack data was probably implanted by 'other sources' involved in the affair.
Free software will end the computer
thank you for your exceedingly humorous post.
meaning, 'controlling them'. maybe it would be much better if this 'security' shit is altogether forfeited. to provide 'security', we are restraining and controlling ourselves much more than a foreign occupant would actually do.
isnt it rather because technology finally reached a point where a device that is the size of a tablet provides acceptable resolution, processing power, battery life, thinness/lightness, and an acceptable touchscreen interface ? and apple jumped in at the right time ?