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Why Tablets Haven't Taken Off In Business

An anonymous reader writes "On PC World's blog, Keir Thomas suggests reasons why tablets have never taken off in business, and explains how Apple's iPad was able to waltz in and steal the entire market. It's all about giving users freedom to figure out how useful tablets can be, he says, rather than forcing them into narrow usage scenarios: 'There's a lot to be said for having faith in users to make best use of their computer, without pushing and pulling them in ways you think are best for them.'"

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  1. does not compute by spiritplumber · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So that's why the first tablet that doesn't let you do everything a laptop would succeeded?

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    1. Re:does not compute by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      So that's why the first tablet that doesn't let you do everything a laptop would succeeded?

      More like it succeeded because it was the first tablet that wasn't just a laptop with the keyboard hacked off.

    2. Re:does not compute by Yvan256 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You don't carry a full PC tower around with a display, a keyboard and a mouse. You buy a laptop.

      You don't walk around with a laptop in your arms while trying to use it, you buy a tablet computer.

      There's also the fact that Apple didn't try to force the desktop UI interface into the iPad, they used one that was designed as a touch interface from day one.

    3. Re:does not compute by CarpetShark · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I was more confused by the attempted assocation between Apple and freedom.

    4. Re:does not compute by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why do we need a laptop to surf the web, e-mail, play little games ? One thing that I noticed with the iPad is that computers are really frikking inefficient.

    5. Re:does not compute by poetmatt · · Score: 3, Interesting

      you don't walk around with a tablet computer, you walk around with a phone that can do it.

    6. Re:does not compute by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

      By walking around I meant people working in warehouses, offices, etc, not carry-in-your-pocket uses.

    7. Re:does not compute by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't carry a full PC tower around with a display, a keyboard and a mouse. You buy a laptop.

      You don't walk around with a laptop in your arms while trying to use it, you buy a tablet computer.

      There's also the fact that Apple didn't try to force the desktop UI interface into the iPad, they used one that was designed as a touch interface from day one.

      Yeah but imagine how big iPad would have been if it ran Linux;-)

    8. Re:does not compute by symbolset · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It doesn't have Windows. Since it doesn't have Windows, it can use a lightweight ARM processor. Since it uses an ARM processor and flash memory, it doesn't need a huge thick battery. Since it uses a lightweight touch-centric OS that's not Windows on ARM it's so naturally intuitive that small children can use it, and adults want to. Because it doesn't need ridiculously expensive engineered hardware tricks to work at all, it can be priced reasonably. Because these technologies came online just prior to launch and they put them together secretly they hit a sweet spot and caught everybody by surprise at just the right moment to launch an ecosystem that peaks just in time for Christmas. Brilliant design, planning, timing and flawless execution.

      It's succeeding because it's the first tablet that doesn't completely suck.

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    9. Re:does not compute by peragrin · · Score: 4, Insightful

      well that, and in 8 yers MSFT developed ONE and only ONE tablet application.

      Every other application required a keyboard to be really useful. MSFT never ported things like office or outlook to a tablet interface. Apple redesigned their mail, web browser, etc applications. MSFT designed one Note and left it at that.

      Where was the outlook for tablet interfaces? how about excel? The problem with tablets before apple, wasn't processor or battery, but the fact that if you weren't using a keyboard or mouse the interface was a royal pain in the ass to use.

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    10. Re:does not compute by postbigbang · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And its ability to do lots of sophisticated work, today, isn't very good.

      Worse, there are no anti-malware/virus pieces (yeah, probably unnecessary but probably required anyway).

      There are no fleet management components or APIs.

      There are no policy controls to prevent data theft of give data protection at all (aside from DRM).

      There's no saction from Apple to use the iPad in business. They claim it's a consumer device, and not one for business. Ask them.

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    11. Re:does not compute by jhigh · · Score: 1, Insightful

      This has always been my confusion with the iPad. Why the hell would anyone buy what is essentially a giant smartphone that won't make phone calls? Is it really JUST for the bigger screen?

      I have a Motorola Droid, and I can't fathom buying an iPad or anything like it. The device would have to actually do something that I can't already do on my phone to justify me spending hundreds of dollars on it. To me, the iPad was the epitome of Apple exploiting their fanboy base and just cramming devices down their throats while they happily swipe mommy and daddy's credit cards to pay for crap they don't need.

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    12. Re:does not compute by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1, Interesting

      I was more confused by the attempted assocation between Apple and freedom.

      Aw, come on, Apple fanboys, it's a perfectly legitimate comment: I had the exact same reaction as CarpetShark. Moderate with honesty, not with your adrenal glands.

      You can't tell me you're not aware of the controversy regarding Apple's management of the iPhone Market (or maybe you are, perhaps in your minds there can be no controversy) as one example. You may not like it, and it's obvious that you consider trading freedom for technical polish to be a worthy one, but it's the truth nevertheless.

      And yes, the truth can hurt.

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    13. Re:does not compute by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      To be fair, numbers for iPad isn't exactly usable for anything but the most basic spreadsheets.

      And for all the apps for iPad, there isn't one that even comes remotely close to the functionality and utility of One Note. It really is a killer app, and if it's the only app I had on my tablet, it would be more useful than an iPad for my needs.

    14. Re:does not compute by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If it did everything a laptop did why not just use a laptop. That's why the laptop without a keyboard tablets fail.

    15. Re:does not compute by gmhowell · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Spoken by somebody with young eyes and fingers. Get to a certain point in life and 'just the bigger screen' is not a phrase that makes sense.

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    16. Re:does not compute by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Use one for awhile, then post.

      When you say, "I can't fathom" or "I can't understand," what you're really saying is "My mental model of reality is flawed in a way that brings it into conflict with what I see and hear around me." You can't fix this condition by complaining incredulously about it on Slashdot. You need to use an iPad for a few hours and see what you think after that.

      I don't even own or want one of their locked-down shiny objects, but I've used the iPad enough to understand why it's a good fit for the wants and needs of a lot of other people.

    17. Re:does not compute by ColdWetDog · · Score: 5, Informative

      Just a guess - you're not the target market. How about an 79 year old woman with bad hands, bad eyes and not much computer savvy?

      That's my mother - who, after years of trying every single computerized gizmo that my brother and gave her (and failing rather dramatically) has fallen in love with her iPad. As have her neighbors at her Assisted Living place. We gave her the iPad a couple of months ago - I just visited the place and now there are perhaps a dozen of the things crawling around the place. The old folks are browsing the web, playing Mah jong, doing email and all those other fancy things (the home has a nice wireless setup). They're perfect for people that can't handle a 'real' computer and don't want / need a smartphone. The bigger screen is a big deal for some folks.

      There are more things in heaven and earth, jhigh, than are dreamt of in your philosophy. The fact that Apple has sold millions of these things indicates that they know a teensy bit more about the market than you (or the rest of your rather narrow minded ilk) do.

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    18. Re:does not compute by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

      Spoken by somebody who didn't take very good care of their body. There is no reason that you have to lose dexterity or have bad eyesight just because you get older.

    19. Re:does not compute by mehemiah · · Score: 1

      It doesn't need anti malware for the same reason XO doesn't. NO IPC means you can't infect one program with another.
      There are no fleet management components or APIs.
      go to an anderoid tablet for that. This is a consumer product that wants to mantain a consumer image. Do you actually like the fact that your IT department emposes fleet management software on your desktop at work?
      There are no policy controls to prevent data theft of give data protection at all (aside from DRM).
      whats that kill switch people have been harping on about? I have this suspicion that the iOS security model is made by the guy behind bitfrost

    20. Re:does not compute by davester666 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Well, are you a business, which is what this article is about?

      Anyway, do you have a job that requires you to walk around while also having access to a lot of information at the same time?

      I happen to have both an iPhone and an iPad, and for non-trivial things, the iPad kills the iPhone. Being able to see more items in a list, easier typing [course, I'm 6'5"], WAY longer battery life would be things that people actually using the device for work might actually want.

      I'm sure Fortune 100 companies rolling out iPads is solely because of Job's RDF.

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    21. Re:does not compute by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually I use both....for note taking, task management, email in meetings, calendar in meetings, presentations, etc. I use the iPad. For quick mainly read only access to my data I use my phone.

    22. Re:does not compute by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Spoken by a fucking moron.

    23. Re:does not compute by Sparr0 · · Score: 0, Troll

      You are positing a person who can handle the app store on their own, but couldn't handle any of a dozen all-GUI package managers for linux, with a tablet-oriented distro (such as the ones that run on PDAs, or Android). I believe this is false. Apple succeeded because of marketing, not because of superiority of their product.

    24. Re:does not compute by cheesybagel · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There was another issue with tablets before. If a device is too heavy it fails in a lot of usage scenarios. Compare the weight of the iPad with the Microsoft tablet devices. The iPad still has one issue: it has low precision input compared to a regular pencil. It is a minor issue for the usage scenarios they propose, which consist of consuming content, however this still leaves content creation off the table.

    25. Re:does not compute by symbolset · · Score: 1

      In addition to the things it does natively, it's a thin client. It can do all those things and many more.

      The iPads are already in use in business - uptake of this new tech in business has been remarkably swift, with almost all of the Fortune 100 having pilot projects under way or completed. You don't need sanction from Apple to use their products in any way you like. Thinking this way is a sickness. It's a tool. Use it in any way it works.

      Your complaints equate to "it's not managed with Active Directory! It's toxic!" Guess what: businesses want to use it, so apps to secure it are already available because there's a market for that. If there's a market for it, there's an app for it. That's how we roll these days.

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    26. Re:does not compute by aristotle-dude · · Score: 2, Informative

      And its ability to do lots of sophisticated work, today, isn't very good.

      I assume that you don't know anything about software development. The ability or lack there of is only limited by the software written for it. Rather than spouting nebulous hyperbole, why not give an example of what it lacks for "business" use.

      Worse, there are no anti-malware/virus pieces (yeah, probably unnecessary but probably required anyway).

      Sorry, but how can it be unnecessary and yet required? Is that from some retarded interpretation of SOX? In the non-jailbroken configuration, there is no need for anti-malware because everything runs in a sandbox.

      There are no fleet management components or APIs.

      Then write one. Do you seriously expect the OS to write an industry specific API? Really? Who gets to decide which industries get an API and which don't? Stop being so damn lazy.

      There are no policy controls to prevent data theft of give data protection at all (aside from DRM).

      http://www.apple.com/support/ipad/enterprise/

      If you use exchange, Apple has your covered. An administrator can perform a remote wipe of any lost device. You can also enforce passcode length policies for unlocking the device.

      If you expect Apple or any other OS vendor to do your job then maybe you should go back to flipping burgers. The data is not supposed to be stored on the device but if you insist on storing too much data locally instead of using the web then it is up to the developer to ensure data is encrypted and/or deleted when exiting the app.

      There's no sanction from Apple to use the iPad in business. They claim it's a consumer device, and not one for business. Ask them.

      I see.

      http://www.apple.com/support/ipad/enterprise/

      http://www.apple.com/ipad/business/

      http://manuals.info.apple.com/en_US/Enterprise_Deployment_Guide.pdf

      http://images.apple.com/ipad/business/pdf/iPad_Security_Overview.pdf

      You were saying? Are

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    27. Re:does not compute by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Apple succeeded because of marketing, not because of superiority of their product

      Keep telling yourself that. It's a harmless-enough delusion compared to many others you could have chosen.

    28. Re:does not compute by Man+On+Pink+Corner · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Anyway, do you have a job that requires you to walk around while also having access to a lot of information at the same time?

      I would probably have paid twice what my iPad cost if you had shown me what it could do as a VNC client. Even if it couldn't surf the web or play pinball or read e-books, it's still worthwhile as a VNC controller. Much easier to use at a crowded workbench than a laptop.

    29. Re:does not compute by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Spoken by a sage.

    30. Re:does not compute by 16K+Ram+Pack · · Score: 0

      It's not just fanboys. It's also people who see something super new and amazing and can't ask "but does it actually make my life better". A lot of technology is flashy, does something new and amazing technologically, but actually doesn't improve your life as a tool.

      I can look at an iPad and see that it's an amazing engineering achievement, but I can't look and it and say "and it would improve my life because...". It's like all the problems of a phone (smaller screen, limited UI, restrictive functionality) with all the problems of a laptop (doesn't fit in my pocket, doesn't double as a phone).

      What happens with amazing yet impractical technology is that it doesn't last for long. I remember the fad over sandwich toasters. People bought lots of them for a couple of years and then they pretty much disappeared off the market. Reason being that people realised that they never used them. I can't think of anyone I know who's been convinced to buy one by seeing someone else's. That simply wasn't the case with the iPod or the iPhone.

    31. Re:does not compute by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The ignorance of the youth is strong in this one.

    32. Re:does not compute by WitnessForTheOffense · · Score: 1, Troll

      go to an anderoid tablet for that. This is a consumer product that wants to mantain a consumer image.

      But this article is about tablets being used in business environments. You just negated the entire point of the article if you're claiming Android tablets are for business and iPads are for pleasure.

      BTW, does your iPad not have spellcheck either?

    33. Re:does not compute by mellon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No, it's not. The article makes some good points, sure. But the real reason the iPad succeeds where other laptops fail is that it's the first tablet that didn't suck. Every tablet before it has had a resistive touchscreen and a swivel-hinge keyboard, with the CPU under the keyboard. The iPad has the CPU with the display, and no keyboard. If you want a keyboard, you buy an external one.

      Every tablet before the iPad had a hard drive. Hard drives are big, and draw a lot of power. That is, they suck.

      Every tablet before the iPad had an Intel CPU. Intel CPUs are big, and draw a lot of power. That is, they suck.

      Every tablet before the iPad ran Windows. Windows is designed for PCs. For tablets, it sucks.

      Every tablet before the iPad weighed in at over three pounds, because of the Intel CPU, the hard drive, the hinge, and the battery required to support all that. You couldn't hold them in your hands unsupported for ten minutes, much less an hour--you'd have to cradle them. They were designed to do too many things, so they sucked at the one thing tablets really need to do--replace a pad of paper or a book.

      Every tablet before the iPad had a battery life of maybe five or six hours, if you were really careful, and two or three, if you weren't. The iPad's battery will last through a full work day of full time use. It doesn't suck.

      That's why it's the first tablet to succeed in the market.

    34. Re:does not compute by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They why are businesses buy thousands of them? We bought a hundred. There are hundreds of business applications for it. More coming every day. And if you comments are true - why did Apple go to some much effort to put in Exchange and VPN support and more advanced security controls? Which are completely useless to most individuals outside of business.

    35. Re:does not compute by painandgreed · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I was more confused by the attempted assocation between Apple and freedom.

      Since I get most of my tech news and discussions here at /. myself, I also have weird times with hearing things like that. Thing is, they are actually pretty free for a company that has a larger market cap than MS. They contribute a lot to open source. They produce a lot of open source programming. One of my friends went to a tech seminar on phone apps. The presenter started out by talking about how Apple opened up the phone app market. Before Apple and their App Store, it was each phone on each provider. If you wanted to make phone apps, you'd be dealing with each individual phone company to do so and their terms make Apple's look wonderful. With Apple, anybody could buy a Mac, develop, and start selling for just $99 and a vetting process that was a cake walk to what people had to deal with before. It did open up the app market for phones. The same goes for many other things. Once they could, they dumped DRM on their music.

      Apple has also been big into standards. They have to. They will never have market share and they don't want it. To get market share, you have to cater to the cut throat business of cheap computing. They simply don't want to go there and leave it to others. They produce premium products with similar price and design. If you don't want their products, you're free to go buy elsewhere because they're never going to produce what you want. The only way they will ever remain significant without altering that is if they stick to standards. I'm pretty sure that they feel their products can compete on a level playing ground with everybody else.

      What pisses people off is that Apple isn't as free as they want. While their kernel is open source, their GUI is not. Their code changes to open source projects are pretty much only relevant to their own needs. They have their little walled garden around their products that they have made as easy as they can to develop for. Open source wants to eat its cake and and have it too. Open Source has their goals, plenty of drive, and as many tools, so why aren't they the leaders in innovation in such products? Why is Apple succeeding where open source is only following in the foot steps?* Does it really take a large company to come up with such advances? Where is Google? They have smart people. They have been working on Android for many years before it came out. Why didn't they produce the iPhone or something better before Apple? Where is the open source equivilent of PARC? Why aren't all these patents for computing created today met simply with "prior art, the open source PARC did it three years ago"?** Why isn't open source beating Apple the punch with a degree fo freedom they want?

      *Not to indicate that open source does not lead in areas. I'm pretty sure Linux servers can dance a jig on Apple servers without hurting their performance. We're talking consumer products like the phones and desktops here.

      **Yes, in many cases, prior art is there and software patents are laughable, but hopefully you understand what I'm saying.

    36. Re:does not compute by mellon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Bwahahahaha! You're trolling, right? I'm a huge believer in open source software as a political movement, and as a basis for a free society, but are you *seriously* proposing that it's easier to use than the App Store? *Seriously*? Have you ever *used* the App Store?

      I'd *love* to see a Linux distro that's as easy to use as the iPad. Let's fork Qt and build one!

    37. Re:does not compute by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      How well does the typing work with one hand? (Get your mind out of the gutter, I'm being serious here.)

      If you are trying to use it while walking around carrying it with one hand, is there enough area that isn't touch sensitive to hold it (problem I have with my droid sometimes)? Is the typing awkward with one hand in that set up? Does it have a swype keyboard available? I suppose I could just google that last one, but I'm extremely lazy, plus even if it doesn't maybe someone will mention something even better that I don't even know about.

    38. Re:does not compute by mellon · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I thought that was pretty funny too. Until I remembered back to the days before the Free Software movement, when Unix machines that came without compilers were par for the course, and a development toolkit for any commercial platform would set you back O($10k).

      $100/year is actually pretty cheap, although admittedly not free.

    39. Re:does not compute by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why are you judging the utility of a product you admit you haven't used? It's not *just* the bigger screen, but what that bigger screen allows designers to do.

      The iPad applications aren't just iPhone applications that were made larger (though you have the ability to do so). Take e-mail for instance. The mail client allows you to view messages and your inbox at the same time. Images such as charts for business, vacation pictures, and product pictures are fully visible instead of a small thumbnail you have to click to enlarge. Sure, it sounds very simple, but the very fact that there is more screen space means the workflow and interaction is different.

      Now imagine other applications where you can change the entire view, interaction, and workflow of an application. With a 3-4" phone, it doesn't make sense to have multiple items and objects to interact with because you'll then limit the actual work area. How would you even work with that on such a small screen? Click on a button to change the screen to display a tool pallet, click back to your work area, click button again, change tool again. That becomes really tiresome pretty quickly. A 10" screen, with more workspace area, more tool pallet area, and an expanded finger sensitivity area is a godsend.

    40. Re:does not compute by Dynedain · · Score: 2, Informative

      There are no fleet management components or APIs.

      Read up on the iPhone Configuration Utility, http://www.apple.com/support/iphone/enterprise/ I think you'll be surprised.

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    41. Re:does not compute by stg · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The truth about why that happened is even sillier. The head of the Office team didn't believe in tablets... http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2010/feb/04/microsoft-exec-tablet-killed-brass-office

    42. Re:does not compute by guyminuslife · · Score: 1

      Why not also take a seat, then, too, and then you can use a laptop?

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    43. Re:does not compute by colinrichardday · · Score: 1

      Lighter, easier to carry, easier to use while walking (I can type on my laptop while walking, but it's not too easy).

    44. Re:does not compute by peragrin · · Score: 1

      but his boss did, and that should have been enough to do the job.

      In apple's world the job isn't finished until steve or Jonathan approve. in MSFT's world the programmers can do what ever they want as long as office and Windows make billions to make up for the losses elsewhere.

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    45. Re:does not compute by colinrichardday · · Score: 1

      Every tablet ran some kind of Windows on some kind of Intel chip?

      Hmm... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton_(platform)

    46. Re:does not compute by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why would you need anti-malware/virus for the iPad?

      If anything, that's one strength of the controlled Apple iphone/pad ecosystem -- combination of controlled apps and limited platform means the opportunity for malware infection is virtually zero.

    47. Re:does not compute by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep. If you had a PC and you wanted a UNIX with source before 1991, you bought Mt. Xinu for multiple grand. If having source wasn't a big deal, there was always Dell UNIX that shipped on QIC for $400-$500. Minix was around, but cost a relatively nominal fee.

      What made Linux and 386BSD take off was the fact that they were licensed at no charge.

      I am quite glad those days are gone. I don't agree with some of the FSF philosophy (especially GPL v.3), but it is understandable where Stallman's philosophy came from. Had we not have basic tools like gcc, gmake, or other items, the present desktop and server ecosystem would definitely be dramatically different. Just the mindset of open source software and getting large groups to write for it (Linux's kernel, Firefox, etc.) would not be around so commercial products would be the only game in town.

      As for tablets, there have been a lot of tries to make tablets work. We had the MS-DOS based GRiDPad of the early 1990s (which was ironic because when it crashed in stores, it had a MS-DOS prompt... but no way to use a keyboard with it.) One of the more usable efforts was Tablet PCs (thin laptops that could fold back and be used as tablets.) However, what kept the technology from gaining critical mass was software. When Apple ordered all developers to make their apps compatible with the iPad or face not getting their updates approved, Apple had an instant software base that no other company had.

    48. Re:does not compute by rxan · · Score: 1

      Email clients are easily tabletized.

      Lets be honest though. Would you really want to do excel sheets on a tablet? I mean, to bring an acceptable level of excel functionality to a tablet you'd need an insane amount of gestures/menus to compensate for the desktop interface. By that point it doesn't seem worthwhile. How many unrecognized gestures would it take before you hurled the thing across the room?

    49. Re:does not compute by gmhowell · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Because my crippled old bones cannot take the abuse from the desktop replacement laptops. In addition, my bloodflow is so poor from years of binging on Doritos that it cannot carry away the heat put off by these computing devices.

      Christ, does anybody on Slashdot understand that there are use cases other than their own and that what suits them may not suit another person?

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    50. Re:does not compute by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      I'm the exact opposite. I want a phone that makes calls. Very clear calls with a nice speaker I can actually hear. I want a battery charge to last days not hours. I don't need a phone that does all that other junk so much more poorly than a computer or tablet. I can see why a tablet might be useful for someone that likes to sit around surfing the net or reading a book and other light computing stuff. It has a screen you can actually see without squinting. Have you ever noticed all the folks that are holding these tiny little phones and squinting really tight trying to look at youtube videos or read a website. It's silly looking. Actually it looks painful.

    51. Re:does not compute by gmhowell · · Score: 4, Funny

      Wow. Just... Wow. If a prerequisite to being old and wise is to first be young and stupid, you are destined to become Methuselah.

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    52. Re:does not compute by Rasperin · · Score: 1

      I'm an apple hater to the nth degree, but I've been able to use them for work and they are really nice. I would mention that they would be 100 times superiour with support for a pen device and text/image translator (to something like Enterprise Architect or w/e mac's equiv of VISIO is). Beyond that the device is very simple and that's the difference. It's even simpler then my dumbed down android (which is buggy and slow yet I still love it. DON'T BY A SAMSUNG MOMENT). Anyways that's my 2cents I could see the older generation loving these for games and work force generation (like me) for email, calendar events, and if it had a pen device (the one reason I haven't bought one) for quick notes jotting. Simplicity and seamlessness is worth it's metaphorical weight in gold.

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    53. Re:does not compute by BlueStraggler · · Score: 1

      Until I remembered back to the days before the Free Software movement, when Unix machines that came without compilers were par for the course, and a development toolkit for any commercial platform would set you back O($10k).

      I've worked on Unix machines since the 80's and while there were systems that didn't ship with compilers, our lab certainly didn't patronize those vendors. Even so, a desktop workstation easily cost $20K all-in ($50K for high-end stuff), so fat lot of difference it made. Linux killed those fuckers dead, but then fumbled the ball by going after the bottom feeders in the commodity PC market. That left the real business opportunity untapped of skimming the cream of the computing market. Apple stepped neatly into the hole that Linux ignored, and the OSS world has been saying WTF? ever since.

    54. Re:does not compute by postbigbang · · Score: 1

      Until someone jailbreaks it. Which isn't tough. The ecosystem is nice so long as you're getting the apps from a vetted source. But people don't do that. They get torrents of juicy stuff, some of which is infected. Admittedly, the rates are probably low for the iPad. But we're talking about tablets in general, of which there are currently four families of operating systems at work here. Each requires different methods to secure and protect the platform and its data.

      Nothing is bulletproof, but I'm not trying to fear-monger here. Instead, many organizations (and rightly so in my mind) mandate that each and every device has a minimum set of AV/AM software. i believe each device mandates device-specific protection. Otherwise, you jeopardize assets and increase costs needlessly.

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    55. Re:does not compute by germansausage · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Young man, it will happen to you too. Sometime between your thirtieth and fortieth birthday you will start to notice it. Your hairline will be receding. Your corneas will be less flexible so maybe you'll start to need glasses. Small injuries will start taking longer to heal. Your joints will start to hurt more often and longer. You might be able to fool yourself for a while, but even with the best of exercise, care and nutrition your will not be the same at 50 as you were at 30. Age is coming for you, as it does for us all, and it will humble you too.

    56. Re:does not compute by fotoguzzi · · Score: 1

      How many unrecognized gestures would it take before you hurled the thing across the room?

      Oh, you mean "cross-tabulate"?

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    57. Re:does not compute by grumbel · · Score: 1

      What can you do with an iPad that I can't do with linux on any other tablet from 5 years ago?

      There simply where no affordable tablets 5 years ago, let alone special Linux distributions to use on them. Heck, even today it is rather hard to find any solid offering outside of the iPad. Plenty of manufacturers are surely trying to rush to the tablet market, but their still rather unfinished products clearly show that they weren't exactly prepared for the tablet market to finally take off.

    58. Re:does not compute by mlts · · Score: 2, Informative

      "There are no fleet management components or APIs.

      There are no policy controls to prevent data theft of give data protection at all (aside from DRM).

      There's no saction from Apple to use the iPad in business. They claim it's a consumer device, and not one for business. Ask them."

      I just made a policy for a client using one of Apple's tools to ensure that a PIN is used on iPhones connected to Exchange servers, as well as erase the device after 10 failed attempts. It isn't a significant security policy, but stricter rules were needed, I could do a good amount more when it comes to enterprise iPhone lockdown, be it ensuring backups via iTunes are encrypted, using passwords for unlocking the device instead of PINs, etc. The Apple tools even allow disabling of the iTunes store, disallowing music, disallowing the camera to be used, and many other things that some businesses might need.

      Apple's provisioning tools are not the greatest, but are decent.

      As for Apple in the enterprise, I think the people who have the wheel at Apple know that their strong point is in the consumer level market. Inventing new markets in the enterprise is a lot harder than finding a new gadget for people to buy. So, Apple's presence is enough to get them past the bean counters (such as native Exchange support and policy adherence), but they are not going to make an XServe type of machine ever again. It sucks that one has to use 12Us of rack space for a machine that used to take up 1U, but Apple never sold that many XServes to keep that model going.

      Apple knows its strengths and weaknesses. It knows it isn't going to be able to compete in the enterprise against the likes of MS or Oracle, the same way that IBM knows it can't compete in the commodity PC market and cut its losses.

    59. Re:does not compute by Sparr0 · · Score: 1

      Simplicity and seamlessness seems to describe classic PDAs to a much greater degree than iDevices

    60. Re:does not compute by Glendale2x · · Score: 1

      Lets be honest though. Would you really want to do excel sheets on a tablet? I mean, to bring an acceptable level of excel functionality to a tablet you'd need an insane amount of gestures/menus to compensate for the desktop interface. By that point it doesn't seem worthwhile. How many unrecognized gestures would it take before you hurled the thing across the room?

      Probably not beyond simple input. I can see it being great for generating quick estimates, quotes, or something along those lines using a spreadsheet created on a computer.

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    61. Re:does not compute by jo42 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What can you do with an iPad that I can't do with linux on any other tablet from 5 years ago?

      A normal everyday person can use the iPad. A slashdot reading geek is required for "linux on any other tablet from 5 years ago".

      Once you get that through your thick nerd skull, you too will grok the enlightenment.

    62. Re:does not compute by symbolset · · Score: 1

      The purpose of a mandate for AV/AM bloatware is to require a platform that needs one. There is no better example of putting the cart before the horse. Yes, there are admins so stupid that they fall for this nonsense. My best guidance for dealing with an organization so stultified that this is Policy: flee.

      More productive than a policy that requires heavy armor and cloaking devices for every employee: a policy that mandates not being a target in the first place. An example might be Google. Google will authorize your desktop use of Windows if you can defend your need for it and how your benefit to the organization supercedes their organizational security needs in a brief interview with the CIO.

      Of course if the CIO is busy and your need is absolute the request for the interview might become cause for suspension until he was available for said interview, because the Policy "No Windows without CIO prior approval" is absolute too.

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    63. Re:does not compute by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whoever told you it was OK to put mercury in your coffee didn't do you any favors.

    64. Re:does not compute by Sparr0 · · Score: 1, Interesting

      I hear this sort of response occasionally. I'm forced to ask if you've used a beginner-friendly distro of linux in the last few years? There are distros where you can't even get to a command line. Nothing but pretty buttons and touch interfaces, widgets you can drag around, docks, etc.

    65. Re:does not compute by bonch · · Score: 1

      You're totally free not to use Apple.

    66. Re:does not compute by bonch · · Score: 1

      I think almost everyone is surprised at the iPad's success. I certainly didn't expect it to do so well. I thought it would be a novelty that only devoted fans would latch onto, like the Apple TV. Bashers were so ready to dismiss it as "a giant iPod touch."

    67. Re:does not compute by digitallife · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Enjoy using it. That was easy.

    68. Re:does not compute by Sparr0 · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      What can you[1] do with an iPad that I can't do with linux on any other tablet from 5 years ago?

      [1] A hypothetical version of yourself who is not biased against anything that doesn't have a little white apple stenciled on it. I know, paying twice as much for the same hardware gives you a feeling of superiority that makes you happy, so you ENJOY owning apple products, but that position makes the whole debate moot.

    69. Re:does not compute by davester666 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yes, you can type with one hand. You are stuck with a regular keyboard layout [you might be able to switch to dvorak or localized ones, I use regular qwerty], other input types like swype would need the iPad to be jailbroken. You can also do 'thumb-typing', but it's quite a stretch in landscape mode.

      The iPad does have a decent boarder along all 4 sides so you can grip and hold it with one hand.

      You probably wouldn't want to do a lot of data entry this way [holding it with one hand while typing with the other], but I don't think most people would be comfortable doing that with any tablet.

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    70. Re:does not compute by arkenian · · Score: 1

      Actually I think it was the form factors. I had a lenovo tablet 4 years ago, and one of the realizations was that it was just a bit too heavy, a bit too hot, to really want to be carrying it around in tablet form. I haven't used the iPad enough to know how it does with heat, but it has finally reach a form factor that's about the same as the paper tablet I carry about so, while I certainly don't use one myself, I can easily imagine how people love it.

    71. Re:does not compute by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Same basic guts as an iPhone 4, spread out over a much larger area, so there's no real problem with heat. Even running Rage for 10-15 minutes doesn't warm it up too much.

    72. Re:does not compute by digitallife · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You should really look at yourself in the mirror. You're clearly holding the exact position you accuse me of holding, in reverse. But hey, I'll play along and clarify.

      What can one do with an iPad that I can't do with an alternative?
      1) Pull it out of the box, and within 1 minute have almost any book on my screen and read it for 10 hours straight without a charge. On the living room couch.
      2) Setup an Apple ID, and then have any of hundreds of thousands of pieces of software on my device in one click, usually for only a couple dollars or less.
      3) Let my 2 year old daughter use it with no supervision, and her actually be able to open her apps and navigate with no issues.
      4) Give it to my father to browse the Internet or play with apps, and not have to tell him how to use it. And he won't break it.
      5) Spend 0 time setting up or maintaining it. It really just works.
      6) Have access to an enormous amount of software designed specifically for a touch screen, much of it extremely high quality.

      I could keep going, but i think i've made my point. I enjoy using it.

    73. Re:does not compute by Sparr0 · · Score: 1

      I agree, re weight. What you are/were probably looking for, in marketing terminology, is a "slate" instead of a "tablet".

    74. Re:does not compute by QuantumG · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yes, they're called "hipsters", we get it.

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    75. Re:does not compute by chthon · · Score: 1

      This goes even more for Microsoft.

    76. Re:does not compute by Cidolfas · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but that sucked. That's why it wasn't the first tablet to succeed in the market.

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    77. Re:does not compute by mikestew · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What can you do with an iPad that I can't do with linux on any other tablet from 5 years ago?

      Not beat my head against the wall trying to find a $IMPORTANT_FUNCTIONALITY driver that actually works, not have to spend any time learning a UI, and play Angry Birds.

      Seriously, if that doesn't sum it up for you you're either being disingenuous, or you're forever going to just not get it. The latter is fine, but you should really quit torturing yourself by trying to grock it.

    78. Re:does not compute by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Must be from all the American semen pumped into your great grandmother during WWI.

    79. Re:does not compute by gmhowell · · Score: 1

      If Apple succeeds 'just' because of marketing and if marketing is so simple, how come geeks haven't crowdsourced the problem of getting Linux adopted by the masses?

      Answer: Apple succeeds due to more than advertising, and marketing is harder than you'll admit.

      (BTW, lame mod on you. Misinformed? Yes. Wrong? Yes. Troll? No.)

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    80. Re:does not compute by gmhowell · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It's a tradeoff. Classic PDAs go too far towards the simple, laptops don't go far enough.

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    81. Re:does not compute by sammyF70 · · Score: 0, Troll

      mod this guy insightful for god sake. Apple products are rarely superior in any way, except in the way they are advertised for and in the glossy shiny metally look of their bezelled case.

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    82. Re:does not compute by gmhowell · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yeah, you and much of the Slashdot crowd don't really understand marketing. It seems that 'marketing' is equated with 'advertising'. Not in the least. Apple is actually a very good at marketing, but not in the limited way some seem to understand it. Apple didn't 'create' the market for the iPad, they discovered it. Big difference. Once found, they created a product that would appeal to that market. Not as simple as a PDA, not as unwieldy and complex as a laptop. Then they told people about it.

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    83. Re:does not compute by mikestew · · Score: 1

      Before Apple and their App Store, it was each phone on each provider.

      Just a minor correction to an otherwise fine post: you could create and distribute apps for Windows Mobile without any carrier interaction well before Apple showed up. What Apple brought to the table was a distribution mechanism that didn't involve setting up your own server, and didn't rip you off (a la Handango).

    84. Re:does not compute by koyote-eliot · · Score: 1

      Email clients are easily tabletized.

      Lets be honest though. Would you really want to do excel sheets on a tablet? I mean, to bring an acceptable level of excel functionality to a tablet you'd need an insane amount of gestures/menus to compensate for the desktop interface. By that point it doesn't seem worthwhile. How many unrecognized gestures would it take before you hurled the thing across the room?

      Keeping track of grades as an instructor, or attendance.
      Or, simple inventory updates in a warehouse.

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    85. Re:does not compute by chinakow · · Score: 1

      Yeah, because the graffiti interface to an old Palm was sooo simple not to mention intuitive.

    86. Re:does not compute by emt377 · · Score: 3, Informative

      What can you[1] do with an iPad that I can't do with linux on any other tablet from 5 years ago?

      Do you really want an exhaustive list of hardware and platform differences? Let's see, anything 3G or GPS navigation related, run keynote presentations, in fact run any other commercial software to speak of, 15 hour battery life, 1 month sleep/standby, type on an onscreen keyboard, fit in an envelope, play angry birds or pvz, you you can't use it as a leveling tool due to lack of accelerometers, you can't buy and download music directly, etc etc. Clearly you're not dumb enough to ask for a list of differences, you just expect to retort that none of these are important, or only stupid people want them, or you can add external hardware to the tablet, or you shouldn't leave home without a charger or extra batteries, etc etc. But clearly enough people care about these things to pay for it, while merely having the ability to point at a screen by itself, in a fairly bulky package with poor performance and battery life, is not marketable in itself. The proof of the pudding is in the eating.

    87. Re:does not compute by MemoryDragon · · Score: 1

      The other pain was that they simply only mostly were convertible computers. Which means heavy, fans, battery uptimes in the notebook segment. One thing Apple definitely did right was to go entirely for a fanless ARM design with a shitload of battery uptime. Well Apple did 95% of the ipad right, which is quite amazing for a series one model. Problem with Apple always is, they usually do about 95% right and then it takes them almost a decade to fix the outstanding 5% while the others usually catch up and become better within a three years timeframe.
      Happened with the mac, which then was surpassed by the Amiga and Atari ST, happened with the iPhone which quickly was surpassed by Palm and Android and will happen to the iPad.
      (btw. I own an iPad myself, and love it)

    88. Re:does not compute by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I see you've never used or administrated a Blackberry. Try it out and call us back when you get a clue.

    89. Re:does not compute by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm forced to ask if you've used a beginner-friendly distro of linux in the last few years?

      I have, and I was forced to conclude that its developers have never met any real, live computer-illiterate beginners, and haven't a clue how such people might actually relate to computers. So, they made it friendly to the beginners they imagine - people who happen to have no experience with computers, but are enthusiastic about having the opportunity to learn about them, and willing to do so in the methodical, logical way an engineer would learn a new topic.

      Nothing but pretty buttons and touch interfaces, widgets you can drag around, docks, etc.

      That, in a nutshell, is why Apple so consistently succeeds where Linux distributions fail. Apple understands that "usable" and "pretty" are entirely separate concepts, and put a significant amount of effort into both. Linux developers don't understand the difference, so Linux desktops get no consistency, no obviousness, no simplicity, in short, no usability - just "nothing but pretty."

    90. Re:does not compute by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ubuntu's Software Centre - no need for a credit card or Apple hardware.

    91. Re:does not compute by hab136 · · Score: 1

      Desktop computing is confusing to many people, whether Windows or Linux or Mac or anything else.

      "My document disappeared!" (no concept of files/folders)

      "My application disappeared!" (user dragged the icon off its dock/start menu)

      etc

      Sure, you can teach them, but that illustrates the problem - you need training to do these things. A vastly simpler and therefore more obvious computing environment is preferred by these people.

      Ubuntu or whatever else you're recommending may be a better desktop computing environment, but the iPhone/iPad experience is something else besides a desktop computing environment - which is why it's so reviled by many techies and loved by so many non-computer people.

      They don't want a self-cleaning convection oven with adjustable racks and programmable start times. They want a toaster.

    92. Re:does not compute by iinlane · · Score: 2, Informative

      There is no reason that you have to lose dexterity or have bad eyesight just because you get older.

      I've been told by a friend of mine that as you grow older you don't lose in "resolution" of eye sight but cornea loses flexibility and it will be harder to focus on near items.

    93. Re:does not compute by Karlt1 · · Score: 1

      There are no fleet management components or APIs.

      What specific "fleet management components or API's" does Windows Mobile have? I have experience developing with WM ruggedized devices used in fleet management and I can't think of one thing that Windows Mobile gives you specifically geared toward it.

    94. Re:does not compute by symbolset · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You're a fossil. Exchange is an email server and we're pretty much done with it given its foibles and incompatibilities. I design hardware solutions for 10K+ user environments, and frankly the users are tired of Microsoft's weak ass shit. It's not like it's rocket science. It's email. We've been doing email since the '80s. They should have figured it out by now. If they ain't yet, they ain't gonna.

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    95. Re:does not compute by iinlane · · Score: 1

      The apps in app store are cheap enough, I have no problems paying 50 cents for something I want or need. I think that the opposite is true: Ubuntu should start supporting paid apps in software centre in order to compete with app store or steam. You're welcome to disagree :)

    96. Re:does not compute by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why? So, i can reply you from my bed. Since i got ipad, i practically don't use my desktop or laptop for mail or browsing anymore.

    97. Re:does not compute by grumbel · · Score: 1, Insightful

      What? There were $300-500 tablets five years ago

      Please name those products.

      And there were PDAs cheaper than that, offering the same sort of form factor as the iPhone/iTouch.

      A PDA is not a tablet.

    98. Re:does not compute by LinuxLuver · · Score: 1

      Its too soon to tell. The next year will see many new devices.

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    99. Re:does not compute by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd *love* to see a Linux distro that's as easy to use as the iPad. Let's fork Qt and build one!

      W-whaaat?

    100. Re:does not compute by makomk · · Score: 1

      Every tablet before it has had a resistive touchscreen and a swivel-hinge keyboard, with the CPU under the keyboard.

      Except for, y'know, the ones that had no integrated keyboard at all. In any case, there are some things that previous tablets were designed for that just aren't possible without resistive touchscreens, like freeform note-taking using a pen.

      Every tablet before the iPad had a hard drive. Hard drives are big, and draw a lot of power. That is, they suck.

      Every tablet before the iPad had an Intel CPU. Intel CPUs are big, and draw a lot of power. That is, they suck.

      Basically, the reason the iPad succeeded where previous non-Apple tablets isn't just because of some magic Apple touch - it's because the general state of technology arrived at the point where it was possible.

      Until very recently, low power non-x86 CPUs weren't fast enough to run them, and the CPUs that were fast enough were slow and power-hungry. (Nowadays, you could probably build an x86 tablet that was fairly light, because those CPUs are hugely more efficient too.) Until recently, Flash just didn't have the capacity to replace hard discs - and even now, doing so doesn't provide a massive weight or power saving.

      A similar thing happened with MP3 players - Apple's genius wasn't in the design, it was in leaping on the first storage device that could fit a decent amount of music into a small space, Hitachi's Microdrive, and buying up most of the initial production runs on the cheap.

    101. Re:does not compute by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Android says, "hi!"

    102. Re:does not compute by mfh · · Score: 1

      >More like it succeeded because it was the first tablet that wasn't just a laptop with the keyboard hacked off.

      Tablets also were not very sturdy or functional, or even marketed. Companies would say LOOK YOU CAN WRITE WITH A PEN ON THE SCREEN.

      I can upgrade my laptop to be like a pad of paper for only 500% more money?

      Apple marketed the iPad and conceptualized it to fit a niche that was viable. We all scoffed at them when it was first introduced... but it caught on because they did it right. Newer versions will get a bit smaller and slimmer. It will improve until we all can't live without them. Neural interfaces will become an eventual direction and they will replace the iPad. Oh I'm getting ahead of myself again.

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    103. Re:does not compute by Cheech+Wizard · · Score: 1

      Answer: Apple succeeds due to more than advertising, and marketing is harder than you'll admit.

      Yup - Apple designs and develops products that people want and when they buy and use Apple products they like them.

      All companies advertise. Microsoft is not shy about advertising. If it was all about advertising Microsoft would be running the world.

    104. Re:does not compute by Cheech+Wizard · · Score: 1

      To repeat: Apple designs and develops products that people want and when they buy and use Apple products they like them.

      All companies advertise/market. Microsoft is not shy about advertising/marketing. If it was all about advertising/marketing Microsoft would be running the world.

    105. Re:does not compute by symbolset · · Score: 1

      Since it did do well you were better off learning why it did than telling us why it should not have.

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    106. Re:does not compute by gmhowell · · Score: 1

      The reason Linux excels in the server room is that server room geeks identified their needs and created a product. The reason that iPads sell is that Steve Jobs identified a niche and had a product created. Pure and simple. Damned few people buy something that they don't want to, and once someone gets over the age of about 5, it's very hard to convince them to want something against their better interests. Scratch that, after having tried to get a kid to eat veggies, it's even younger than that.

      The amazing thing is that people can't just let it go. Given how FEW people have smartphones and iPads/tablets, there is HUGE potential for growth and even less chance that the market will become dominated by a single player for long like desktops in the 90's.

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    107. Re:does not compute by sammyF70 · · Score: 1

      Microsoft's marketing campaigns are at best mediocre, at their worst they are hillariously bad. Apple's on the other hand, are brillant in that they don't sell a product, they sell a "lifestyle".

      by the by, if it was all about advertising and marketing nobody would use Linux.

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    108. Re:does not compute by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple succeeded because of marketing, not because of superiority of their product

      Keep telling yourself that. It's a harmless-enough delusion compared to many others you could have chosen.

      Well, it is probably true anyway. I have yet to see an apple product that has not been done a dozen times before.
      For some reason there is a big part of the market that likes shiny and no other company is as good as apple when it comes to polishing turd.
      Find the right customers and marketing is everything.

    109. Re:does not compute by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

      Dude, you are talking out of your arse. there were lots of tablets with Windows CE, no hard disks, not much weight and good battery life.
      Also resistive touchscreens are way more precise than a capacitive one so they are better suited for content creation.

      iPad is successful because of marketing - months before the device could be bought there were iPad news and speculations through the press every day.

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    110. Re:does not compute by filsd · · Score: 1

      No, it's not. The article makes some good points, sure. But the real reason the iPad succeeds where other laptops fail is that it's the first tablet that didn't suck. Every tablet before it has had a resistive touchscreen and a swivel-hinge keyboard, with the CPU under the keyboard. The iPad has the CPU with the display, and no keyboard. If you want a keyboard, you buy an external one.

      Every tablet before the iPad had a hard drive. Hard drives are big, and draw a lot of power. That is, they suck.

      Every tablet before the iPad had an Intel CPU. Intel CPUs are big, and draw a lot of power. That is, they suck.

      Every tablet before the iPad ran Windows. Windows is designed for PCs. For tablets, it sucks.

      Every tablet before the iPad weighed in at over three pounds, because of the Intel CPU, the hard drive, the hinge, and the battery required to support all that. You couldn't hold them in your hands unsupported for ten minutes, much less an hour--you'd have to cradle them. They were designed to do too many things, so they sucked at the one thing tablets really need to do--replace a pad of paper or a book.

      Every tablet before the iPad had a battery life of maybe five or six hours, if you were really careful, and two or three, if you weren't. The iPad's battery will last through a full work day of full time use. It doesn't suck.

      That's why it's the first tablet to succeed in the market.

      Like this one?: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_N810 =)

    111. Re:does not compute by w_dragon · · Score: 2, Informative

      I have. And then it auto-updated and broke x.conf. I could have fixed it, but I really don't have time to screw around with that sort of crap any more when Windows has had video and sound drivers that just work for nearly 15 years now. Linux seems to finally have video to an acceptable level (so long as you don't want to use 3D), but sound is still a steaming pile.

    112. Re:does not compute by king+neckbeard · · Score: 1

      it's very hard to convince them to want something against their better interests

      No, it isn't. What's difficult is getting someone to buy something they don't think is in their better interests. However, "No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public", and the same is likely true of the public of any country. Most people are dumb, and if you can fool lots of people, you can make lots of money (although certain kinds of trickery can result in legal punishment). Such behavior is why we use 'snake oil' as a derogatory term.

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    113. Re:does not compute by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Smaller. Linux already runs on much smaller ARM and MIPS based hardware and has done so for years. http://www.gumstix.com/

    114. Re:does not compute by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd better give my Fujitsu-Siemens Stylistic mack to Apple then!

      With (admittedly) two batteries it runs most of a working day (with a PATA HDD!) and I can do everything with it and it comes with a dock and keyboard for when I do document CREATION!

    115. Re:does not compute by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1) Pull it out of the box, and within 1 minute have almost any book on my screen and read it for 10 hours straight without a charge. On the living room couch.

      My experience was that it required 5 reboots to get working, and had to be plugged into a computer in order to set up. I had a 'genius' at an apple store set mine up and it was a painful experience.

      2) Setup an Apple ID, and then have any of hundreds of thousands of pieces of software on my device in one click, usually for only a couple dollars or less.

      That's true on pretty much any platform except windows.

      5) Spend 0 time setting up or maintaining it. It really just works.

      Mine doesn't. It crashes a lot of the time. Maybe you don't notice because it just silently closes the app you're using.

    116. Re:does not compute by vadim_t · · Score: 1

      Ok, explain why everybody went crazy about the iPad before anybody even knew what it was.

      That was some damned good marketing.

    117. Re:does not compute by hitmark · · Score: 1

      And i think the problem there was the cpu involved. Intel at the time didn't have anything that could work for hours without a kilo or more or battery bolted on. ARM can, but everyone claimed they needed x86 to run windows and all those "productivity" apps.

      i wonder if not there was several things playing in the ipads favor.

      1. the choice of CPU, allowing it to run longer on less battery so you get less weight to handle.

      2. a adapted office pack. Once i learned that Apple had a adapted office pack for the ipad, complete with presentation editing, i knew they had something that could get a foothold. Microsoft failed here, as the ms office for tablet back in the day where stonewalled by the exec that ran the office department at the time. End result was that all input had to happen via a popup rather then properly integrated into the ms office ui.

      3. a screen that could handle 11 points of input, and a carry case that could fold into a low angle stand. This allowed the user to fold the case around wherever, whenever, and start hammering out a new email, document or anything else in the lap. The angle was around what you find on a physical keyboard, and basically kills the typical "gorilla arm" argument.

      Sadly Samsung and the rest have focused on the consumer market. I suspect only RIM have a credible chance at seeing the potential (unless google goes aha and really goes nuts with android 3), but they seem to focused on making their playbook at partner device to the blackberry phones rather then a product with its own "legs".

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    118. Re:does not compute by gtall · · Score: 1

      Except that they've been popular by people who've never bought Apple products before.

    119. Re:does not compute by poetmatt · · Score: 1

      there are certainly folks that need a bigger screen for ease of access, but does that mean you magically don't have zoom or something?

      size is not everything if you're zoomed out as much as possible and saying that you need things bigger.

    120. Re:does not compute by gilesjuk · · Score: 1

      When you go to an ATM machine to withdraw cash you don't expect to see a full keyboard and mouse, you don't expect to have to double click "Withdraw Cash.exe" and then enter your details.

      Every situation has a different interface design paradigm and this is what Microsoft and others always forget. They try to use their existing software and do the bare minimum of work and talk about providing lots of features.

      A tablet forgoes all the complexity and clutter of desktop OSes. Everything about a desktop OS is stuck in the 80s and 90s, file manager, command line, having lots of windows open.

      Mobile devices have shown that the future of computing needs to be different.

    121. Re:does not compute by gilesjuk · · Score: 1

      Not if you need to fill out big electronic forms. This is where the big screen iPad comes in handy for business. Electronic forms and data entry on the move. A phone would just be a bit small and cumbersome.

      A big tablet means more space for batteries, hence why the iPad can last a working day when a phone would be dead after half a day.

    122. Re:does not compute by Phoghat · · Score: 1
      I'm a retired Pharmacist and ever since the dawning of the PDA it's been said that that portable computing was the future of medicine.Except for a medical reference (that's very widely used) it just hasn't happened. That's almost 20 years people.

      I don't know the reason, but I think it's mostly because people just don't trust the fact that information that would be available over a WiFi net would be hackable enough that someone could get in and download all sorts of tidbits.

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    123. Re:does not compute by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Spoken like an envious moron. The real answer, BTW, is usability -- windows and linux are crap on a touchscreen device, whereas apple did their homework and made a proper UI. The fact that so many freetards and wintards can't understand that just reinforces the old idea that mac users are smarter than everyone else.

    124. Re:does not compute by gilesjuk · · Score: 1

      Just because you don't have the imagination to see what something is useful for doesn't mean that others won't.

      There are plenty of people who don't have an iPhone or smartphone. There are people who are too dumb or technophobic to use a full blown desktop OS. People have bought them for their elderly relatives since it's a computer that can't be easy broken.

      There are quite a lot of very useful applications for musicians. TouchOSC for instance can be used as a mixer controller for Logic Audio, so you can mix music with it, using sliders on a touch screen is a lot easier than using a mouse. There's music sequencers which are a lot more usable on a big screen compared to an iPhone.

    125. Re:does not compute by Etiko · · Score: 1

      You can pull it out of a box, connect it to a PC, authorize it through I-Tunes, search for a book you want, download it and start reading in 1 minute? Youtube video or it didn't happen!

    126. Re:does not compute by Etiko · · Score: 1

      Ubuntu Software Centre.

    127. Re:does not compute by postbigbang · · Score: 1

      McAfee for one. SAP/Sybase for another. Both manage WM specifically.

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    128. Re:does not compute by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except for the 10 hour battery life, all of the listed reasons are software, not hardware related.

    129. Re:does not compute by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are correct.

      All Windows/Linux fans (I am myself a Linux fan, but not just Linux but as well KDE SC and GNOME fan) does not understand that the reason why Windows 7 or GNOME does not success on the tablets is that they are based to idea of WIMP use.

      Apple did understand that and they use same XNU operating system on all mobile devices, desktop and server version of Mac OS X. They have most same core technologies in use but what is the radical difference is that on Mac OS X the UI is the WIMP by design, while iOS is by design IMF (Icons Menus Finger).

      KDE SC allows user to have the Plasma Desktop as non-WIMP design when KWIN is configured correctly and Plasma Desktop as well.

      Many (most?) people does not understand that Windows 7 does not fit at all to the tablet computing. The tablet idea is just to be handheld and be used for media/data use, but not to actually create data (like complex video editor, music editing, document processing etc) without keyboard. Apple even understands this and made the keyboard optional, with the stand. What is just wonderfull idea. With that you really sit down ahead table and you can type the documents easily, without mouse.

      Windows 7 biggest problem really is that you need to use Windows start menu, manage windowses and menus and play around with all the typical other WIMP problems.

      With iOS, KDE Plasma Desktop (/netbook) the use is totally different. It is just enjoyable.

      I wrote this with netbook (AA A110), what is my primary computer. Even that I can easily carry it with me around the house (office, kitchen, living room, bed, sometimes even a bathroom) I have only find out that the keyboard part is just too big. Most of the times I would just need a tablet and virtual keyboard would be enough to type some search words to youtube site or to search trough files.

      And for that case I have long time been thinkin should I buy the "Always Innovative touchbook". But now I have started to think, I might need just the iPad. But it would be my first Apple device and I am littlebit worried how well I could actually connect it to my other computers (no iTunes anywhere!).

      And I am littlebit afraid that I would actually start more and more buy Apple products after that. But the problem is, I do not like Mac OS X for my use.

         

    130. Re:does not compute by milkmage · · Score: 1

      you do a better job of visually tracking our mouse pointer than your finger?
      let me guess. 30" display, set for 640x480 with 2"x2" desktop icons.

    131. Re:does not compute by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Looks like the adrenals are moderating today.

    132. Re:does not compute by Thagg · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Technically, your lens loses flexibility, but yah that's about right.

      The only good thing about that is that it eliminates one source of problems when watching 3D movies, young people expect to be able to focus on things close to them, and when they can't refocus on things coming out of the screen it is disturbing. Doesn't bother the over-40 crowd a bit.

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    133. Re:does not compute by Thagg · · Score: 1

      Well yeah, that's the whole point!

      Every machine built in the last 20 years is exactly as capable as anything else. Software is really important!

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    134. Re:does not compute by node_chomsky · · Score: 1

      I walk around with tablet, it's really good for counseling work, seriously. Not only is it the only way I can manage the dynamic complexity of my own schedule and informational needs (cloud documents, calendars, and the like, the ~50 person company I work for literally has no office or physical epicenter). Small screens are terrible for all of this, I have a lot of scanned pdf's of handwritten documents (thousands of them), I need to reference all day. Cell phones can't cut it, and laptop can't be used while walking around (I've tried). And walking around is exactly when I need to access most of that stuff, my day is full of 15-30 minutes end-to-end appointments with location changes every several hours. The GPS features has been good for this reason as well, I work in a different county than I live in, so I am often literally lost in corn fields looking for the rural schools I work in. I also heavily rely on email as a near synchronous form of communication.

      The best part of these things is how much of 'nuclear option' it provides for distracting children or calming them down through behavioral quid-pro-quo situations. I work with children with Autism Spectrum Disorder, and I keep these very serene, sensory-filled entertainment and learning apps on it that can literally bring a class of (stemming and swinging from the chandeliers) children to this completely calm state in about 20-40 seconds, that can be maintained for a long time. I am not sure how good they are for other types of businesses but they are excellent educational machines. Because of how it's designed, it's very easy to clean up, as well.

      As for the entertainment uses...couldn't care less, except one feature is very impressive, and that's the speaker. I love the fact that I can walk around with J.S. Bach blasting the air around me, it makes the experience much different from walking around with headphones. You can hear the music echo off of the surfaces around you, it's creates a soundscape that is distinctive to wherever you are standing, it makes music sound very vivid in a way. Most of it's media features get a big thumbs-down-super-fail from me though because I hate iTunes more than I hate MS Word (that is saying a lot). But I do like podcasting, because most of the music and radio shows I listen to, and the way I prefer to listen to them is very well suited for it. I have a weird form of ludditism that makes me use high technology but with complete distrust and preference for restriction and simplicity. My relationship with technology can be complicated. But I honestly think the iPad is a great product, I am looking forward to what they are going to do with the next generation of them.

    135. Re:does not compute by node_chomsky · · Score: 1

      #include "fail.h"

    136. Re:does not compute by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, as you don't know anything about computing history I will direct you to search about Penpoint OS.

      It was a failure in the 90's and had every one of the features of Apple iPad. No hard disk, no Intel, no Windows.

      Well, it couldn't reproduce media, but it had a wifi interface.

      And... what about the Newton???

    137. Re:does not compute by digitallife · · Score: 1

      I literally pulled mine out of the box and turned it on and it worked perfectly. It has never, ever crashed (the OS), and I've owned it for many months. I know 4 other people with ipads, and they all have had the same experience. Either you are a troll, or you had bad hardware, which is anything but the norm.

      And what does individual programs crashing have to do with the OS? I've had a few - maybe one a month - just disappear, but it requires no action on my part other than reopening the app (or deleting it!) it certainly doesn't affect my 0 maintenance time.

    138. Re:does not compute by digitallife · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't be able to do that in one minute. Thankfully, all I needed to do was click the iBooks app, sign in, and click on a book and I was reading it.

    139. Re:does not compute by tooyoung · · Score: 1

      Ok, so if I mail you either a free iPad or a free N810, which would you prefer?

    140. Re:does not compute by digitallife · · Score: 1

      LMAO
      Is this why so many people on here think the iPad is crap? If software isn't important, then why do you care what you use at all? Windows ME should be good enough.

      Anyways, the truth about the iPad hardware is that it is practically invisible, weighing very little and being almost entirely behind the screen, and very thin to boot. It's pretty good too, at least for me... Last night i was playing Rage, and was impressed. The only thing I wish it had is a camera.

    141. Re:does not compute by CptNerd · · Score: 2, Informative

      Christ, does anybody on Slashdot understand that there are use cases other than their own and that what suits them may not suit another person?

      Lack of empathy is a pre-requisite for Slashdot commenting.

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    142. Re:does not compute by CodeBuster · · Score: 1

      Your hairline will be receding.

      Well, I don't know about you but I'm looking forward to a combover with glasses. I could even round it out with a calabash pipe and a tweed sports jacket to complete the look.

    143. Re:does not compute by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      Fair enough, but then why go for the iPad of all things? If it could even match the functionality of an iPhone it would be less baffling. I could see myself using a jumbo PDA if I had bad eyes and fat fingers - maybe not iPad-sized, but something the size of a Dell Streak.

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    144. Re:does not compute by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because they already knew what the iPod touch was capable of.

    145. Re:does not compute by SuperMog2002 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Linux seems to finally have video to an acceptable level

      Not even that. Just a couple months ago, I spent two days trying to get Ubuntu 10.04 to run at the native resolution of my bog standard 19" monitor, and finally concluded that it's either not possible, or so obscure that I'll never figure it out. Not doing anything fancy or unusual here, just trying to use an LCD that was lying around the office on the cheap on-board video card this machine came with. At this point, Linux on the server is great, but I've pretty much given up on Linux as a client OS. Even the "easy to use" distros don't even have the basics in place.

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    146. Re:does not compute by insertwackynamehere · · Score: 1

      100 pushups? Tai chi?? Go on about athletic you guys all are; I'm truly amazed. Nothing like someone who is no doubt skinnyfat posting about how to be "lean" on the Internet :)

    147. Re:does not compute by colinrichardday · · Score: 1

      It may have sucked, but not for the reasons that mellon listed.

    148. Re:does not compute by mellon · · Score: 1

      The Palm Pilot in particular was a huge success, so if you include PDAs you're correct that my whole line of reasoning falls over. Which should make it obvious that I wasn't referring to PDAs.

      I realize the Newton was bigger than a Palm Pilot, but it had similar capabilities. It was hella cool--way cooler than the Palm Pilot. But if someone came out with one now to compete against the iPad it would fail horribly. It failed in the market because it tried to do way too much with way to little. Personally, I think the iPad is a worthy successor.

    149. Re:does not compute by mellon · · Score: 1

      So basically what you're saying is that Apple timed it right. I'd tend to agree with you on this, but really you're just restating my argument from a different angle.

      Also, if the technological shift you're referring to is the reason Apple succeeded where others failed, doesn't the fact that Apple caught the curve at the sweet spot, and nobody else came close, indicate that Apple did *something* right?

      Otherwise, you would have seen an HP tablet, and a Dell tablet, and a Microsoft Tablet, all hitting the market right in the same timeframe. As it stands, the only real competitor to hit the market so far is the Samsung, and it's nearly a year late.

    150. Re:does not compute by mellon · · Score: 1

      You're talking about UMPCs? Yes, I looked into those too. But they mostly had hard drives, Intel CPUs, and no battery life. And crappy screens. There's a reason why they hit the market like a lead balloon. They were not just as good as the iPad, and what differentiated the iPad from them was not "marketing." It was non-suckitude.

      Resistive touchscreens are better for content creation? Maybe in some market that barely exists, I don't know. In the real world, the first time I ever really wanted a computer with a touch screen was the iPhone, because it was the first computer that had a touch screen I could see through.

      It doesn't matter if resistive touchscreens are more accurate, because they suck--they make it difficult to read the underlying content, and they scratch up and wear out quickly.

    151. Re:does not compute by CarpetShark · · Score: 1

      Spoken like a selfish person who has no interest in the freedom of anyone but himself.

    152. Re:does not compute by mellon · · Score: 1

      Did it have a non-sucking screen, and decent battery life, and a useable UI? You said "penpoint," so I'm going to assume the answer is no, because you needed a pen to operate it.

      The newton was a miserable market failure, even though it was a cool device.

      Why does nobody mention the Palm Pilot? If you're going to mention the Newton, you clearly think dinky CPUs, monochrome screens and resistive touchscreens are okay. There's no need to mention PenPoint unless you worked on it and were disappointed that it failed. If so, I have great sympathy for you. It sucks to back a great idea that hits the market at the wrong time.

      But this is why Apple won with the iPad: they released *nothing* until what they had was unassailable. I'm guessing PenPoint had to release before they'd gotten rid of everything that sucked, because they needed a revenue stream, and the only plausible revenue stream was unit sales. Apple didn't have that problem. Sucks, but it's true.

    153. Re:does not compute by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

      No, I am talking about this one for example:
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIMpad.

      I've been using PDAs and touchscreen phones for a decade and the capacitive screen was a significant step back in terms of accuracy. It also mirrors like hell. If you cannot see the contents of a resistive touchscreen, you definitely should see a doctor about it.

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    154. Re:does not compute by mellon · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Ease of Use and Cost of Use are not the same thing. There are two sides to the price/performance tradeoff. Apple wins over Ubuntu here because the prices on the App Store are generally not unreasonable, and what you get for your money is much nicer than what you get for free from Ubuntu.

      Using software with bad UIs costs time, and time is money. Would you rather pay $10 and save 100 hours of wasted time over the course of a year, or save the $10? If your time is free, you'll save the $10. If it's worth something, you'll spend the money.

      For free software to succeed on the desktop, it has to be as good as or better than the thing it's replacing, even though the thing it's replacing costs money, because the thing it's replacing doesn't cost *enough* money to make money the overriding concern.

    155. Re:does not compute by mehemiah · · Score: 1

      But this article is about tablets being used in business environments ... negated the entire point of the article ...
      Perhaps, but thats taking what I said a little far. Yes the android would have the potential to have fleet management apps where the effort would be a bit invasive to put it on the iPhone app store. I would ask for a refinement of the definition of Fleet Management but now we are ignoring my second point... DO YOU LIKE FLEET MANAGEMENT ON YOUR WORK COMPUTER? Many teachers use Macs specifically to get out of having fleet management software on their computers. Sorry about the spelling, I guess I missed a word or something

    156. Re:does not compute by rcharbon · · Score: 1

      Microsoft had a really cool Suduko app for their tablet.

    157. Re:does not compute by Sparr0 · · Score: 1

      People didn't want tablets and PDAs because of a lack of software. Apple made a PDA and then a tablet with very little software available for them. Apple fanboys bought them, wrote software, and now there's a product that other people want.

    158. Re:does not compute by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's right: an iPad has got an edge for usages while you are standing, and need a more or less big screen. It still has limitations but it has already been used in several professional environments, as you can see here: http://trebleclick.blogspot.com/2010/11/ipad-for-professional-usages.html

    159. Re:does not compute by jrumney · · Score: 1

      More like it succeeded because it was the first tablet that wasn't just a laptop with the keyboard hacked off.

      That makes a lot of sense. Previous tablets were a disappointment, because all the software that was available for your desktop and laptop was available for the tablet, setting the expectation that such software would be usable - and it wasn't. The iPad came along saying that you could have software that had been designed for smartphones, or software that had been designed specifically for the tablet. This set the expectations lower, and resulted in software that was actually usable in tablet form. There was nothing stopping people from writing such software for the earlier tablets, but who would take the risk of releasing a cut down word processor focused mainly on reviewing documents, when the full MS Office suite was available (for example)?

    160. Re:does not compute by HermMunster · · Score: 1

      Tablet's have drawbacks. Long term use isn't a good application of the tablet. Hands get tired, you are staring more and the screen rather than glancing, and your neck gets stressed leaning down. The applications are under powered. Nothing like trying to run excel on one of those. Even for note taking it's cumbersome as you have to point with your fingers, which is slow and error prone, unlike touch typing. People are touch typists. Even in meetings they need appear to be paying attention, so typing while watching what's going on is necessary. Touch typing on those tablets just isn't practical. And doing anything with a tablet is pretty tedious and encumbering while sitting up or laying down.

      Why use a tablet if you aren't going to be mobile with it? It's really simple.

      With a desktop you can attach them to large screens. With a desktop your hands naturally lay upon the keyboard and/or the mouse.

      There are many uses for tablets, but they aren't really suited for the endeavors of large businesses.

      Soon you'll be hearing the odd question of why the tablet doesn't make a good server.

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    161. Re:does not compute by HermMunster · · Score: 1

      And spoken by the naive. Redoing forms for a tablet like that after having them completed on other systems means a lot of rework and thus more investment than the benefit of a mobile form.

      I could use a form system to track my customer's machines for repairs. How much time would I spend making them, what format, where would I store the information long term, how would I print them out?

      Again, there are just too many drawbacks. Business has had mobile computing for years. Look at FedEx and the other delivery companies. Those work fine but they are very limited to a specific purpose. Pen Computing was designing the same type of focus for their products.

      Small business starting with those as systems where employees are pushed to use them might find some application. Big business has too many other demands. One could assess that Apple lost out in the desktop arena for thinking the same as they are about their tablets.

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    162. Re:does not compute by HermMunster · · Score: 1

      You walk around with a pad and pencil because it's easier to use and not much more effort to type it into a desktop when you are done.

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    163. Re:does not compute by HermMunster · · Score: 1

      When was the last time you were in America? When was the last time you spent any time with an American family? When was the last time you spent time working in an American job while supporting your family in America?

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    164. Re:does not compute by gmhowell · · Score: 1

      Christ, does anybody on Slashdot understand that there are use cases other than their own and that what suits them may not suit another person?

      Lack of empathy is a pre-requisite for Slashdot commenting.

      I can't figure it out, is it a youth thing, or a nerd thing?

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    165. Re:does not compute by gmhowell · · Score: 1

      It's sterling analysis like this that will keep you droning away in a cubicle or perhaps slaving away for some pittance as a shopkeep. Your lack of insight and taste for sour grapes will keep you mired in the quagmire for a long time to come.

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      Jesus was all right but his disciples were thick and ordinary. -John Lennon
    166. Re:does not compute by dudpixel · · Score: 1

      exactly. The summary (quoted from the article) seems to be the complete opposite of what the ipad is (if you think i'll waste time reading the article you'd be wrong).

      The ipad DOES specify what the user can and cannot do with it. It DOES try to force the user into a certain way of doing things. That is what apple is all about. Whether you agree with it or not determines whether or not you are likely to buy their products.

      I think this is also the success of the iProducts - it is clear to the users what they can be used for, and they decide that is something they want. Apple doesn't create what people want. They create products and then tell people why they want them...its good design mixed with good marketing, and it works.

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    167. Re:does not compute by CptNerd · · Score: 1

      Christ, does anybody on Slashdot understand that there are use cases other than their own and that what suits them may not suit another person?

      Lack of empathy is a pre-requisite for Slashdot commenting.

      I can't figure it out, is it a youth thing, or a nerd thing?

      I think it's a failed upbringing thing. People aren't taught empathy, and it shows in the coarsening of society I've seen in the past 25 or so years. The Internet and fora like Slashdot show the symptoms, but I blame families and schools for the cause. Coarse behavior cascades, inducing even more coarse behavior. Unfortunately I don't see a correction mechanism on the horizon, so I think we have to get used to it getting worse.

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    168. Re:does not compute by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're in the middle of the warehouse. You need to view data on the current inventory and the incoming shipments due before noon. That's not going to work with your paper pad and pencil, you are on the phone with one of your client asking you if they're going to get their parts this afternoon.

    169. Re:does not compute by mellon · · Score: 1

      I can see through a resistive screen, but it's like my computer is wearing a condom. Why would you want all that blurring? Why would you want to have to use a stylus to get an accurate hit?

      The problem with what you are saying is that you are stating *your* preferences and claiming that they are universal. All I'm telling you is that they aren't. I've used devices with resistive screens. They suck. I had an N770. It had a very pretty screen, behind a resistive touchscreen that, with any ambient light at all, stood out like a sore thumb. It had no battery life, and utterly crappy software that barely worked. It was a complete waste of money.

      The iPad works, and there's no screen condom, and I don't have to fumble for a stylus, nor worry about losing it. I just touch the screen with my finger, and the right thing happens.

    170. Re:does not compute by Serious+Callers+Only · · Score: 1

      1. Meetings are not for typing - if you need to 'appear to be paying attention' you shouldn't be there.
      2. If you want to type (say it's your job to keep minutes), use a keyboard - a tablet does not have to replace every computer.
      3. Tablets do not rep,ace other types of computer, they complement them.

      Tablets excel at the sort of meetings where you show people stuff and talk about it. Many businesses have that kind of meeting.

    171. Re:does not compute by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whatever happened to Robert Heinlein's "An armed society is a polite society"? Oh yeah right. He was wrong.

      Much as I enjoyed Heinlein's novels, when it comes to predictive soundbites from science fiction authors, I think Niven's "Think of it as evolution in action" was closer to the mark. When everybody has got guns and large population centres give a certain anonymity (as opposed to small rural towns), and all other things being equal in terms of reflexes and training, the people who don't mind escalating to shooting weapons first are the ones who survive, making for a society of trigger happy gun nuts. Homicides have actually dropped since 1993, but now that the N.A. economy is tanking, we will have to see if that trend holds or reverses.

    172. Re:does not compute by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Just a guess - you're not the target market. How about an 79 year old woman with bad hands, bad eyes and not much computer savvy?

      So, the typical business user then?

      Apologies for trying to stay on topic.

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      To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
    173. Re:does not compute by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Apple didn't 'create' the market for the iPad, they discovered it. Big difference.

      That is marketing bullshit, pure and simple.

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      To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
    174. Re:does not compute by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      The fact that so many freetards and wintards can't understand that just reinforces the old idea that mac users are smarter than everyone else.

      The last time I heard that old idea was when mac users could only figure out a one button mouse.

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      To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
    175. Re:does not compute by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      If Apple succeeds 'just' because of marketing and if marketing is so simple, how come geeks haven't crowdsourced the problem of getting Linux adopted by the masses?

      Most geeks aren't interested in marketing, they believe in Emerson's "build a better mousetrap and the world will beat a path to your door".

      The success of first Microsoft, and now Apple sadly proves that this no longer applies.

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      To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
    176. Re:does not compute by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Damned few people buy something that they don't want to, and once someone gets over the age of about 5, it's very hard to convince them to want something against their better interests.

      That's among the stupidest things I've ever read on slashdot. Why the fuck do you think companies bother advertising if every one is making rational decisions about what they buy?

      Or are you one of those advertising/marketing weenies who think they're doing people a favour by revealing to the unenlightened masses the joys of their particular washing powder or TV?

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    177. Re:does not compute by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not all previous tablets had "a swivel-hinge keyboard." My Fujitsu Stylistic does not have a keyboard. The only way to use a keyboard is get an external USB keyboard.

      I think it's easier to use as a tablet than the tablets with a keyboard, but other than be a bit lighter, it does have the other "limitations" you mention.

    178. Re:does not compute by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      If it was all about advertising/marketing Microsoft would be running the world.

      They've done pretty well for a company based on (at best) mediocre software products.

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    179. Re:does not compute by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      I love the fact that I can walk around with J.S. Bach blasting the air around me, it makes the experience much different from walking around with headphones. You can hear the music echo off of the surfaces around you, it's creates a soundscape that is distinctive to wherever you are standing, it makes music sound very vivid in a way.

      The reason they invented headphones was for other people's comfort and convenience, not yours.

      Nice iPod shill otherwise. "Just think of the poor autistic children, until lovely Mr Jobs invented the iPad they were doomed to a life of pian and misunderstanding." Pure class.

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    180. Re:does not compute by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Keeping track of grades as an instructor, or attendance.

      These are just simple lists, you don't need a spreadsheet for them, and I don't see why you need a tablet either.

      Or, simple inventory updates in a warehouse.

      The existing PDA style handheld devices are fine for doing this.

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    181. Re:does not compute by JAlexoi · · Score: 1

      Yet most of iPad owners still quietly complain that it's to damn heavy!* * - brought to you by the Rent is Too Damn High party.

    182. Re:does not compute by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      The presenter started out by talking about how Apple opened up the phone app market. Before Apple and their App Store, it was each phone on each provider.

      As opposed to the iPhone which is one phone from one provider?

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    183. Re:does not compute by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      In the UK fleet management refers to the contorl of motor vehicles, I have no idea if that's what you mean but if so it's a relatively small niche market surely?

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    184. Re:does not compute by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      If there's a market for it, there's an app for it. That's how we roll these days

      Yup, you pass the kool-aid-for-mac-fanboys test.

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    185. Re:does not compute by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Lighter, easier to carry, easier to use while walking (I can type on my laptop while walking, but it's not too easy).

      Most people I know sit down to do their work.

      I know, I know, I'm both old-fashioned and unfashionable.

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    186. Re:does not compute by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Try Maemo on an N900. It has an app store which is as easy to use as Apple's. But most of the time you don't even have to go there because most of the downloadable apps are available via a GUI running on Debian's packet management system. Best model ever.

    187. Re:does not compute by Internal+Modem · · Score: 1

      I think RIM is the one searching for a clue, my friend...

    188. Re:does not compute by Envy+Life · · Score: 1

      +1 .. Android is Linux. Android app store is huge and as easy to use. Doest thou forget?

    189. Re:does not compute by jarlsberg71 · · Score: 1

      >Every tablet before the iPad had an Intel CPU. Intel CPUs are big, and draw a lot of power. That is, they suck. Well the Atom processors are quite good at not draining batteries or creating a hot plate effect. I just wish they'd be more main-stream than netbooks and the one-off low-end PC. I want a dual D510 Workstation... It'd be less than any recent chip in TDP, and yet performance would still be snappy.

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    190. Re:does not compute by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LOL, my dad had 20/20 vision until his 50s. Then he started to lose it. He took very good care of his body, yet the doctor said on his visit: "So you thought that would last forever? Here's the recipe for your new bifocals!"

      Your body stops re-generating efficiently after some point, don't count on yours to last 100 more years!

      However, I bet you're just hoping the next spider that bytes you, will get you superpowers instead of making you sick! Good luck with that.

    191. Re:does not compute by colinrichardday · · Score: 1

      But "most people" doesn't mean everybody. I'll admit that I have little use for an iPad, as I would use a netbook instead. Nevertheless, some people work by walking around, and an iPad might be easier for them to use.

    192. Re:does not compute by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Try the longevity diet

    193. Re:does not compute by vanners · · Score: 1
      I've use a slate tablet for 5 years - it got me through a Masters degree. I take it everywhere; work, church, school, seminars and meetings; anywhere where I expect to take notes or use the information stored on it. The ability to run any windows program is a HUGE plus (especially since I am a Delphi developer), and I find that OneNote with its synchronisation opens up a whole new dimension of usability.

      I've seen friends use the iPad and am amazed at what they can put up with! The struggle to take notes, the limitations on software. The only thing it does well I could do on my PDA 12 years ago.

      Sure it does have that Apple bling, but when you get down to actually doing stuff its pretty ordinary. The main reason they are so popular is that it looks like you should be able to do the same things on it as on a tablet PC and it is half (or less) of the price of a tablet. I've seen some touch-only tablet PCs and wouldn't buy them either. I need to take notes and a pen works better than anything else I have tried; touch is just too awkward (that's why I don't take notes on my smartphone if I have my tablet with me).

      So when you say "try it" I can quite happily say that years of experience between touch and pen has taught me that the pen is mightier than the finger (unless all you want to do is consume). I am glad the iPad has lowered the cost of tablet PCs in Australia though - I can get a really sweet tablet for half the price I paid three years ago!

    194. Re:does not compute by vanners · · Score: 1
      I think that Apple knows more about marketing. Any company that for a decade could sell computers that were less powerful for more money has some crazy marketing skills.

      What Apple noticed with the iPad is that there are more consumers than producers. They took the tablet and cut out as much functionality as they could while still letting the user consume and got the price to a point where anyone with a little disposable income could afford it.

      Thing is, this forum is filled with producers of content and to them the iPad is a toy. I get really annoyed when someone asks if I have an iPad when I take out my slate tablet PC. I calmly explain to them, no this is a tablet PC. The technology is only one decade old. The iPad is 2 decades old (remember the Apple Newton if you are old enough to do so).

    195. Re:does not compute by vanners · · Score: 1
      You're kidding right?

      You bought an iPad because you could mail it in an envelope!

      Who does that? It's a marketing gimmick - though you could, nobody in their right mind would do that.

      I've seen "type on an onscreen keyboard". It was followed up by "have a nosebleed" trying to keep up with discussion when even typing skills were failing keep pace with conversation. Then we came to the diagram... oh well, at least ignoring it allowed the typing to catch up a bit.

      Guys, the iPad is not a tablet PC. It is a PDA, or if you have the latest version a smartphone in A5 size.

      The iPad is designed to consume content, not to generate it. It is very good at what it was designed for, but as a tablet PC it is the worst I have used. I create content, so the iPad is not for me. I also consume content, but luckily my tablet PC can do that as well. That's what you expect from a machine you paid nearly $3k for (don't laugh, that was the going rate for a tablet PC in Australia 3 years ago that was "penabled"). I paid the premium because it did what I needed. I know others that would use it that way too, but the price was too much. Getting an iPad instead was cool, until they tried to do what I was doing on the tablet PC. Others don't care what I can do, and think the iPad is fantastic - good for them; they paid the right price for the functionality they wanted.

    196. Re:does not compute by vanners · · Score: 1
      Three years ago when I was looking for a tablet PC I discovered a brand that was marketed to the medical profession. It was used to go around the ward and make notes, link it back to a central server and pull information from that server.

      Now they are getting iPads instead. Only problem is getting information into the system. A pad and pencil was the old system, easy to use standing up with one hand under the pad and the other jotting notes.

      Writing on the iPad is out, so they have to type, so either they find somewhere to rest the iPad, or type one handed - not much difference in speed because they are not typists. It takes about 10 time longer than writing on a pad of paper, or about 10 times as long as using the tablet PC equivalent (yes, that's right the tablet PC fit their previous system, but with the benefit of instant updates and information on demand).

      The iPad they are now getting is giving them information on demand and instant update at the expense of getting information into the system.

      In this case the iPad is false economy as the cost in doctor's time is more than the difference in price between an iPad and a tablet PC.

      It is important not to overstate the iPad's case or these sorts of bad decisions are likely to be made regularly.

    197. Re:does not compute by vanners · · Score: 1
      Please become informed.

      There are hundreds of apps specifically designed for the tablet, there are millions more that can be used on it but are not specifically tablet oriented. I will concede the point that Microsoft didn't write them all, there are dozens of major software vendors and hundreds of independents that wrote apps specifically for the tablet PC. I will let your imagination come up with a suitably large number for all those who authored regular windows apps which can ALL be used on a tablet PC.

      To apply the same benchmark to the iPad:

      There may be some apps developed specifically for the iPad, but most were developed for the iPod and scaled up. There may be major third party software vendors writing for the iPad (I don't know of any, please enlighten me). There are thousands of indies though (again, if you include the iPod apps that are scaled up).

      One question though: why rewrite something like outlook for the tablet PC when the original works perfectly well on it as is?

    198. Re:does not compute by vanners · · Score: 1
      Practically every statement you made needs correcting so I will just quote all your errors in one place, then correct them below:

      ...the real reason the iPad succeeds where other laptops fail is that it's the first tablet that didn't suck. Every tablet before it has had a resistive touchscreen and a swivel-hinge keyboard, with the CPU under the keyboard. The iPad has the CPU with the display, and no keyboard. If you want a keyboard, you buy an external one.

      Every tablet before the iPad had a hard drive. Hard drives are big, and draw a lot of power. That is, they suck.

      Every tablet before the iPad had an Intel CPU. Intel CPUs are big, and draw a lot of power. That is, they suck.

      Every tablet before the iPad ran Windows. Windows is designed for PCs. For tablets, it sucks.

      Every tablet before the iPad weighed in at over three pounds, because of the Intel CPU, the hard drive, the hinge, and the battery required to support all that. You couldn't hold them in your hands unsupported for ten minutes, much less an hour--you'd have to cradle them. They were designed to do too many things, so they sucked at the one thing tablets really need to do--replace a pad of paper or a book.

      Every tablet before the iPad had a battery life of maybe five or six hours, if you were really careful, and two or three, if you weren't. The iPad's battery will last through a full work day of full time use. It doesn't suck.

      That's why it's the first tablet to succeed in the market.

      Your assertion of suckiness is based on the remainder of your statements which are flawed, my corrections will continuously refute your claim.

      Actually, slate form factors (i.e. no keyboard) were around in 2001. I've been using slate style tablet PCs for over 5 years.

      I could have bought a tablet PC that didn't require a pen, but that system didn't make for good handwriting. The iPad doesn't either.

      You are almost right about the hard drive, flash hard drives weren't available in 2001, but they started to be used over a year before the iPad came out - they were a horendously expensive option at the time so I decided against it.

      Every tablet PC had an IBM compatible (that includes AMD) CPU and they still do - it allows them to use any software written for Windows. Some use the new Atom processor, but I prefer a powerful processor and the new i5 seems to be a sweetspot.

      Most tablets ran the Tablet edition or Vista and now Windows 7 - all of which were designed to be used by pen and with Windows 7, multi-touch too.

      Slate form factor tablet PCs often weigh less than 1.5kg - my current one does, and so did the one before it - and they had A4 size screens! I have carried my tablets around, using them for hours and I am no muscle man.

      I often tout the benefit of a tablet PC over paper, it's just as easy, has undo, allows me to move text I have written really simply. I can copy diagrams as easily as my lecturers could draw them. My work is backed up as soon as I arive home as One Note syncs with all my other PCs in the house. I can print and markup, take a picture and markup or even copy text and mark it up with my handwriting, on the page, in real time as the lecturer progresses through his lecture without breaking a sweat. I have over 3000 books on my tablet PC and read from the tablet every day.

      My current tablet PC with a stock standard battery got me through an 8 hour tutorial on the first day. When that battery got old I replaced it with a larger one that gets me through 10 hours.

      The iPad is not a tablet PC as it does not make minimum specification as defined by Microsoft who released the tablet PC in 2001. If you want to pin a claim to fame on the iPad, it is the best Apple Newton ever created, and Apple Newtons were first released in 1991

      The iPad succeeds because it is NOT used in the workplace much. Battery life is irrelevent if you can't do what needs to be done, do it too slowly or haven'

    199. Re:does not compute by gmhowell · · Score: 1

      It never did apply. Wish in one hand and shit in the other, and tell me which fills up first. Sorry we can't all live in a fantasy world.

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    200. Re:does not compute by gmhowell · · Score: 1

      Boy, that's some quality reading comprehension there.

      First, I never said that people make rational decisions about what they buy. I said they buy what they want. That doesn't address the rationality of the decision.

      Why advertisements? To create brand and product awareness.

      You know, it's funny. You accuse me of thinking of people as 'the unenlightened masses', yet you are the one arguing that a fancy jingle and a 30 second spot on TV is enough to get someone to buy something deleterious to them. Who really has the lower opinion of their fellow man?

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    201. Re:does not compute by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They're perfect for people that can't handle a 'real' computer and don't want / need a smartphone. The bigger screen is a big deal for some folks.

      There are more things in heaven and earth, jhigh, than are dreamt of in your philosophy. The fact that Apple has sold millions of these things indicates that they know a teensy bit more about the market than you (or the rest of your rather narrow minded ilk) do.

      But none to business as they are no damn good in business situations.

    202. Re:does not compute by node_chomsky · · Score: 1

      Really!?! that is the purpose of headphones! I have been trying to use them as ear muffs!

      I turn it off in situations where it actually would bother anyone, since you are that worried about the comfort of people in close proximity to me (they never mind the Bach). As for the Autism, you don't know what you are talking about. I bring up the example of the children, not to shill any product or to pull at anyone's heartstrings (maybe you would do something like that). My point wasn't that you shoud buy an iPad because I use it to keep children who slam their heads into walls repeatedly from doing so, Instead, you should buy one if it makes sense for your needs. In my case, it is a valuable tool, because my entire career involves working with autism, and that is one of the better examples of what I use mine for. I wasn't trying to convince you that an iPad solves Autism or that it is intrinsically good because of that. But if you knew anything at all about Applied Behavior Analysis (the only scientifically proven treatment for ASD), of which I am a professional practitioner of, you may be able to understand why this thing is so useful for this profession, but I am fairly certain you don't.

      What I was actually responding to, in the post, was the challenge that they had no or minimal use in business. My argument was that I have found endless uses for this thing in my life's work, and it's worth considering if you have complex business needs like I do. Most Behaviorists walk around with multiple buckets of toys and various paper-work all day, the iPad replaces pretty much all of that and it fits in a small bag. Much easier to carry around than a bunch of half broken toys you use as reinforcers. Plus it makes for an unusually strong positive reinforcer for behavior modification programs. It also works well as a data collection tool, which is part of my daily uses for it. I couldn't care less if you find a need for it, but I have plenty, and I am not the only person in the world with my specific set of business needs.

    203. Re:does not compute by Lilith's+Heart-shape · · Score: 1

      It's also an occupational hazard among techies.

    204. Re:does not compute by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Spoken by a fucking moron.

      Obviously looking not to get any older.....

    205. Re:does not compute by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      adidas and Puma used Psion devices in the late 80s and they didn't need no stinking WiFi

  2. It's all about customer convenience by Anne_Nonymous · · Score: 4, Funny

    >> why tablets have never taken off in business

    No cupholders.

    1. Re:It's all about customer convenience by Sulphur · · Score: 1

      >> why tablets have never taken off in business

      No cupholders.

      No donut holders.

    2. Re:It's all about customer convenience by ScrewMaster · · Score: 4, Funny

      >> why tablets have never taken off in business

      No cupholders.

      The reason tablets have never taken off is because you have to press that stylus really, really hard to cut into the stone.

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    3. Re:It's all about customer convenience by hedwards · · Score: 4, Funny

      Have you tried to use the cupholder on a laptop? On a desktop, the cup more or less stays put, but the last time I used one on a laptop, I ended up spilling half of it on my lap.

      I can only imagine how difficult it would be to balance use a tablet based cupholder.

    4. Re:It's all about customer convenience by The+Clockwork+Troll · · Score: 1

      The quote in the summary doesn't make sense.

      Previous tablets all had a general purpose OS installed, typically Windows, didn't they?

      Jokes aside, How much more freedom to "figure out how useful tablets can be" can you give than by installing an OS that can run any application you put on it?

      In contrast, the iPad, with the Apple app store lock-in, etc.

      The iPad definitely seems more successful, but not because of fewer usage scenario restrictions ...

      5 years ago I was running anything I wanted on a Toshiba M200 - the more limiting thing might have been the stylus requirement and heft (even without an optical drive). There, Apple's definitely done one better than that old school of tablet.

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    5. Re:It's all about customer convenience by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was told that voided my warranty. Such a shame :/

    6. Re:It's all about customer convenience by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

      I was told that voided my warranty. Such a shame :/

      True. Also, may I point out that tablets make an excellent drug delivery system, so it's not really fair to say that tablets haven't taken off.

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  3. bass ackwards? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    "It's all about giving users freedom to figure out how useful tablets can be, he says"

    Umm, aren't people buying these *because* the software ecosystem is more locked down and controlled than a traditional computer is? To a lot of people that is an advantage if it reduces their risk of malware.

    Something seems backwards. There are far less restricted machines out there, but people prefer the iPads instead of those.

    1. Re:bass ackwards? by dwightk · · Score: 2, Insightful

      different kind of restriction

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    2. Re:bass ackwards? by somersault · · Score: 1

      To a lot of people that is an advantage if it reduces their risk of malware.

      You seriously think that is a consideration for more than say 1% of iPad buyers?

      If that's so high up on the general public's priorities, how come Windows is still the most popular OS, IE is still the most common browser, PDF is such a common document format, etc?

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    3. Re:bass ackwards? by Mysteray · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Restriction is freedom. Apple. 1984.

    4. Re:bass ackwards? by Yvan256 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Because everyone uses them. It's not choice, it's doing the same things as almost everybody else.

      And there's nothing wrong with PDF, btw. The problem is Acrobat Reader on Windows.

    5. Re:bass ackwards? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      More restricted = more things out of box = higher average quality = average MLE of things working. Also IE hasn't been the most common browser for awhile.

    6. Re:bass ackwards? by narcc · · Score: 2, Interesting

      And there's nothing wrong with PDF, btw. The problem is Acrobat Reader on Windows.

      Adobe Reader is terrible; but I'm not willing to let PDF off the hook that easily.

      Check out the PDF 1.7 spec. It's a total disaster.

    7. Re:bass ackwards? by hedwards · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There was nothing wrong with PDF, sort of like how there was nothing wrong with .DOCs either. But then some genius got the idea that it might be fun to embed a programming language in there for whatever reason and the rest is history.

      In the modern era securing PDFs shouldn't take much effort, declaring the region that it's loaded into to be non-executable ought to go a long way towards that. Although since PDFs can be essentially executed, that kind of makes that a challenge.

    8. Re:bass ackwards? by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

      I was thinking about basic PDF files here, i.e. no scripting or embedding or whatever. Mac OS X preview readable, printable by Mac OS X print to PDF.

      I don't even want to look at the specs of PDF 1.7, Adobe just keeps trying to put things in it for the sake of making their customers upgrade their software.

    9. Re:bass ackwards? by Metabolife · · Score: 1, Insightful

      "However, there exists another key to Apple's success: its products are built around giving people freedom in the user experience. Apple lets you figure out how best to make use of their handhelds. "

      Then I stopped reading.

    10. Re:bass ackwards? by somersault · · Score: 1

      With web browsers there most certainly is a choice that is completely independent of what everyone else uses (as long as your browser adequately supports JavaScript and Flash of course). Windows XP even had an update recently that asked people what browser they want to use.

      With Windows I'd say there definitely is a choice also, but for a certain portion of the population (mostly gamers and businesses), there is unavoidable lock-in.

      Still, I think pretty much nobody will have chosen an iPhone or iPad because it has less chance of getting malware.

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    11. Re:bass ackwards? by somersault · · Score: 1

      IE hasn't been the most common browser for awhile.

      Source please? Individual versions of IE may have been overtaken by Firefox, but when you add them all together, it still takes the top spot in every review I've seen. This is for global usage statistics of course, it does vary from country to country.

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    12. Re:bass ackwards? by obarthelemy · · Score: 1

      i don't think so, otherwise people would be running linux or mac at home, which they aren't. the iPad is merely the first tablet to get the ergonomics and hardware somewhat right (which must be hard for ms who have been trying to since forever). i'm fairly sure android stuff will overtake iOS stuff in the tablet space, same as in the phone space. Apple will still make oodles of money off of their captive users, though.

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    13. Re:bass ackwards? by JAlexoi · · Score: 1

      Well iPad could have been even more successful if Apple gave more guidance how to use it. 6 months after it's release people started understanding that it's a media consumption device. Result? Only "strong" sales in a market where competition in that class of product is nonexistent....

    14. Re:bass ackwards? by JAlexoi · · Score: 1

      PDF? Really? I wish PDF was the most common doc format... Most stuff that I get is still in crappy Word DOC format!!!!

  4. What? by recoiledsnake · · Score: 2, Insightful

    However, there exists another key to Apple's success: its products are built around giving people freedom in the user experience. Apple lets you figure out how best to make use of their handhelds. The App Store is a beautiful demonstration of this--it's all about choosing what you want to do with your iPhone or iPad, and not being badgered into using them in a particular way.

    Err no. Apple locks down the user experience and rejects apps that change it or threaten it in any way, like widgets and alternate browsers etc.

    By way of a demonstration of how not to do it, take a look at Windows Phone 7. Everything is built-in, making for a very focused device. You want Facebook? It's built-in. You want Gmail? It's there. It feels like Windows Phone 7 is trying too hard.

    Although it might sound like built-in tools present a lot of usability, what Microsoft is actually doing is limiting the user by pushing them into particular usage scenarios. It's feels too limiting. The user has little freedom to adapt the phone to their way of working without a significant amount of tedious configuration.

    That makes no sense whatsoever. Slow news Saturday?

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    1. Re:What? by Roogna · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Apple may lock it down for the average user, but not for ENTERPRISE. Who within some minor boundaries (No using the enterprise program to build your own app store to sell to others, and no using it to write software that does it's best to harm the cell phone network) are free to develop and distribute within their business whatever they'd like.

    2. Re:What? by Goaway · · Score: 2

      and rejects apps that change it or threaten it in any way

      Yeah, no, that is complete and utter nonsense. You need to stop listening to the bullshit the Internet feeds you and start paying some attention to the real world.

    3. Re:What? by DarkOx · · Score: 0

      pretty amazing for the company introduced its flagship product with this ad YouTube Apple 1984

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    4. Re:What? by wierd_w · · Score: 0

      So some are more equal than others.. How very Animal Farm of them.

      Must be nice to have inner-circle chocolate, instead of the dry, bitter stuff they give everyone else. But remember, Steve Jobs loves you.

      (Blach. I'll never buy an apple product willingly.)

    5. Re:What? by EastCoastSurfer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Actually no one is more equal than another. An enterprise or private user can pay the fee and write all the code they want for their own device(s). Only when they want to distribute to the app store do any rules come into play. What enterprise is going to put their apps for internal use on the app store anyway?

    6. Re:What? by EastCoastSurfer · · Score: 1

      [blockquote]
      Apple locks down the user experience and rejects apps that change it or threaten it in any way, like widgets and alternate browsers etc.
      [/blockquote]

      Just so you are up to date with your FUD, there are a lot of alternate browsers for iOS now. Additionally, not long ago Apple changed their app policy to be much more liberal with the allowed apps. The big example app that everyone used to point to was Google Voice which is now available.

    7. Re:What? by hedwards · · Score: 1

      [citation necessary]

    8. Re:What? by recoiledsnake · · Score: 2, Informative

      and rejects apps that change it or threaten it in any way

      Yeah, no, that is complete and utter nonsense. You need to stop listening to the bullshit the Internet feeds you and start paying some attention to the real world.

      Oh really? So you mean this not out of the real world?
      http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/06/01/apple_boots_widgety_apps_from_app_store/

      Maybe it's not real in the RDF zone.

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    9. Re:What? by Mr2001 · · Score: 1

      Just so you are up to date with your FUD, there are a lot of alternate browsers for iOS now.

      Not really. The "alternate browsers" that Apple has allowed are based on WebKit, just like Safari. They won't, however, allow alternate browser cores: so if someone discovers an exploit in WebKit, you can't avoid it by switching browsers.

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    10. Re:What? by Nerdfest · · Score: 1

      but not for ENTERPRISE.

      Yeah, but how many of us can actually afford a proper starship.

    11. Re:What? by Roogna · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Honestly, this is no different than any company is. If you think Red Hat, or Microsoft, or Oracle, or any major tech company is going to treat the customer paying the least, exactly identically to the customer paying the most, then you're quite deluded. Hell, this extends beyond the tech industry too. You think your average run of the mill restaurant treats the customer who's there on their first, and possibly only visit the same as the customer who comes in every single day? Sure a good restaurant is going to be nice the first timer and give good service. But the regular customer is getting better treatment and perks for the money they spend there. Vegas is built off that concept practically. So yes, you too can pay the extra bit of money ($200 above and beyond the normal price of $99 and you need a company in the first place... otherwise what's your issue, pay your $99, or jailbreak your phone, and move on with life) and get the toolset for installing what you want on yours and your employees iOS devices.

      But if you think this is a Apple only thing, then I'd love to see an example of a company anywhere in the world that doesn't give perks in some fashion to it's most valuable customers.

    12. Re:What? by bonch · · Score: 1

      Err no. Apple locks down the user experience and rejects apps that change it or threaten it in any way, like widgets and alternate browsers etc.

      Oh, really?

      Apple-bashers are really running out of memes, especially since customers with an enterprise license can use the iPad however they need to.

    13. Re:What? by Karlt1 · · Score: 1

      Not really. The "alternate browsers" that Apple has allowed are based on WebKit, just like Safari.

      Opera Mini is based on Webkit? Really?

    14. Re:What? by Elbart · · Score: 1

      It's not using Presto either.

    15. Re:What? by ras · · Score: 1

      An enterprise or private user can pay the fee and write all the code they want for their own device(s).

      Not quite. The Apple Developer kit allows you to install stuff you develop on a number (10?) devices. An enterprise is likely to own far more than 10. If you want to install it on more than 10, you need to go through the App store.

    16. Re:What? by Mr2001 · · Score: 1

      Opera Mini does all the heavy lifting on the server. The client that runs on the phone hardly qualifies as a browser core: it doesn't parse HTML or run JavaScript.

      (Even the server+client system barely qualifies as a modern browser. Opera Mini is really an alternative to the crappy minibrowsers built into dumbphones, not to full-featured smartphone browsers.)

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    17. Re:What? by JAlexoi · · Score: 1

      Problem with AppStore mentality is that enterprises cannot distribute internal applications without going through public AppStore. Until Apple delivers functionality to have private distribution channels, iPhone and iPad will not "reign supreme" in medium/large enterprises...

    18. Re:What? by EastCoastSurfer · · Score: 1

      From Apples website on Enterprise Apps:
      http://www.apple.com/iphone/business/integration/

      Wireless app distribution

      iPhone enables enterprises to securely host and wirelessly distribute in-house apps to employees over Wi-Fi and 3G. In-house apps can be hosted on any web server accessible to users. Users simply tap on a URL to install apps wirelessly without needing to connect to their computers.

      I read that as enterprises can have their own internal app store for internally developed apps.

    19. Re:What? by ras · · Score: 1

      I read that as enterprises can have their own internal app store for internally developed apps.

      That is news to me, so thanks. But does change anything? I don't see that would necessarily lift the restrictions on the applications you can install.

      I'm genuinely courious, so I went looking. Turns out you can lift those restrictions. In fact I always knew they were partially lifted for a normal developer, because with your $100/yr developer's licence you get to install any application you develop on up to 10 phones. That's Apple's version of open source I guess. Pay Apple $100/yr, and any who also pays the same $100/yr apple tax can re-use your source.

      Anyway they have a scheme for enterprises, which is described in chapter 5 here. Pay Apple a tax of $300/yr and you get to put your application on all of your enterprises phones, without having to pay a cent more. It seems to come with all come with all sorts of restrictions, I presume to prevent normal apps from by-passing Apple's app store.

      On of those restrictions is only an Enterprise can get this type of developer license, so I guess the original poster is correct - Enterprises are more equal normal users.

  5. It was cost. by Kenja · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The reason the tablets we've had since the 90's never really caught on was because they didn't do enough beyond what a notebook did to justify the difference in price.

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    1. Re:It was cost. by OzPeter · · Score: 1

      The reason the tablets we've had since the 90's never really caught on was because they didn't do enough beyond what a notebook did to justify the difference in price.

      Yet well before the iPad was this company which took your Apple laptop and made a tablet out of it. They have been around for a while so there must have already been a market for high priced tablets.

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    2. Re:It was cost. by ColdWetDog · · Score: 2, Informative

      The reason the tablets we've had since the 90's never really caught on was because they didn't do enough beyond what a notebook did to justify the difference in price.

      Yet well before the iPad was this company which took your Apple laptop and made a tablet out of it. They have been around for a while so there must have already been a market for high priced tablets.

      And Axiotron is doing how well? Not very. They're barely creeping along. Interesting you mention them however - their primary customers are arsty fartsy types who utilize the fact that they've married a Wacom tablet to a MacBook. Not many Enterprise users, I'll warrant. They're trying to develop a MacBook Pro based unit and their promo literature hints at expanded uses in business setting, but I don't even think the product is shipping.

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    3. Re:It was cost. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      And they were not cheap enough for home consumption....word spreads about devices even up the chain towards enterprise.

      Largest complaint about the ipad and most recent pad/tablets ?
      No real pen/stylus input available for note taking - I run a site that collects these sorts of complaints and this is one of the top 3 complaints.

        An MS partner could swoop in and corner the market . MS has the ONLY solution that is available for context aware speach and context aware hand-writing to text.
      They have the only solution that is compatible with asian characters and language.

      The main problem for cheap tablets like this is the perception that capacitive is king ..... it is really only suited for small touch devices like phones and PMP/ipad like devices.

    4. Re:It was cost. by Whuffo · · Score: 1

      Well - no. They didn't do as much as a notebook; in fact, they didn't really do much of anything at all. If you'd ever tried to actually use a Windows based tablet for anything you'd understand that you couldn't even operate the OS without a keyboard attached - much less any applications. Those previous "tablet" computers were essentially notebooks without keyboards - and just as useful as a notebook without a keyboard.

  6. Well, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    giving users freedom to figure out how useful tablets can be rather than forcing them into narrow usage scenarios, plus liberal use of the reality distortion field.

  7. Steal the market? by saleenS281 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'm not sure I'd say the iPad has "stolen the market". Nearly every presentation I've been in/been a part of still has a laptop as the primary source of information. An ipad is great to carry around if you're just trying to get email. If you're trying to do any real work, it fails miserably.

    The reason the tablet never took off is because it's just a more expensive, less powerful laptop. The iPad isn't REPLACING the laptop anytime soon. Hell, it isn't even REPLACING the tablet. The people who have adopted the tablet will continue using it. Everyone else will continue using their laptops for 99% of their business oriented tasks, and keep their iPad's around when they don't want to lug around a full laptop, and don't need to get any "real work" done. If I'm going on an overnight trip to attend a meeting where I'm not presenting, you bet your ass I'll probably just grab an iPad for the flight to watch movies and check email. If I have to get any work done, I'm taking a laptop.

    I would be willing to bet the reason most business users have picked up an iPad is the same reason I have: 10 hours of movie playback. I can watch movies for almost my entire trip to Sydney on one charge. You aren't getting anywhere close to that with anything else on the market today.

    1. Re:Steal the market? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This:

      "I can watch movies for almost my entire trip to Sydney on one charge."

      Yep. Jokes aside. It really *is* a giant iPod Touch.

      And that's exactly what the people want.

    2. Re:Steal the market? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I get 24 hours of video on my archos 5.... so yes, something on the market can roll right over that figure... then again it's useless for anything other than video or audio...

    3. Re:Steal the market? by mariasama16 · · Score: 1
    4. Re:Steal the market? by PDG · · Score: 4, Informative

      Are you kidding me? I used my iPad are the office all the time. Granted, I'm not compiling Java on it, but there are plenty of uses over and above email at the office.

      It makes a great portable Web-Ex client, as well as GotoMeeting and other presentation formats. It handles documents well. Using iAnnotate lets me markup and read PDF docs.

      I also found it great for reading specs rather than killing trees with paper or trying to read them off a computer screen. I can take them with me with ease.

      I also have RDP and VNC clients plus a shell terminal (no, not jailbroken) lets me SSH into other boxes and do sys admin work as well as a slew of other network tools available.

      Add on top of that the fact that I can do Voip calls and listen to my music all at the same time.

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    5. Re:Steal the market? by hakey · · Score: 1

      Maybe you are thinking about audio. They advertise "Video playback time: up to 7 hours" and "Music playback time: up to 22 hours". That is with low backlight.

    6. Re:Steal the market? by icebraining · · Score: 1

      Yes, but at the expense of having a 4.8" instead of a 9.7" screen.

      Personally, anything less than my laptop's 12" isn't enough to watch a movie, and even this is pushing it.

    7. Re:Steal the market? by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

      Now if only Apple could bring a bigger iPad with a bigger battery life. Same display resolution but bigger display. Older people hate "small displays". Give them 13" displays minimum. Bonus side: lower DPI means the display shouldn't cost more than the 9.7" and you can put a bigger battery inside it.

      Nintendo proved there is a market for that with their Nintendo DSi XL.

    8. Re:Steal the market? by 605dave · · Score: 4, Funny

      It doesn't matter, Apple is evil. And closed. And all that other stuff. Stop pointing out the obvious benefits of Apple's approach. Don't you know it doesn't adhere to our strict open philosophy? It doesn't matter that people seem to like it, it seems to work, and it seems to be secure.

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    9. Re:Steal the market? by DarkOx · · Score: 1

      Lots of the current generation Netbooks can run at 9hours on their batteries.

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    10. Re:Steal the market? by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

      Older people hate "small displays".

      God, that is so true. In my business many of the people who use our software are older people, folks that have been in operations for decades. And you're absolutely correct: we are always getting requests to make things more easy to read.

      And frankly, I'm at that point in my life where I realize just how much of modern consumer electronics are a young person's game. I remember when the very first Casio scientific calculator watch came out. Little teensy-tiny buttons, watch-sized display ... yet, I could read and use it just fine. That was a quarter century ago. I bought a few of them at the time, figuring they wouldn't be on the market long (and I was right.) Not that it matters now: I look at the thing and all I see is a reddish grey blur.

      The aging process sucks, any way you look at it.

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    11. Re:Steal the market? by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

      It doesn't matter, Apple is evil. And closed. And all that other stuff. Stop pointing out the obvious benefits of Apple's approach. Don't you know it doesn't adhere to our strict open philosophy? It doesn't matter that people seem to like it, it seems to work, and it seems to be secure.

      "Seems".

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    12. Re:Steal the market? by 0xdeadbeef · · Score: 2, Informative

      Are you kidding me? I want to throw mine across the room whenever I try to type text into it. Why the fuck are you using it as a terminal when perfectly usable computers with keyboards are available?

    13. Re:Steal the market? by hedwards · · Score: 1

      I take it you've got poor eyesight. Because 4.8" is plenty of screen space for a personal video device to have, you just can't sit three feet away from it and expect to make out the details.

    14. Re:Steal the market? by zippthorne · · Score: 1

      Scaling the entire display is not the proper solution to the problem of people with different comfort zones regarding feature sizes within the display.

      And anyway, Apple already did what you ask. They took the iPhone and scaled up the display to create a smartphone with a giant screen. They called it the iPad....

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    15. Re:Steal the market? by Mr2001 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It makes a great portable Web-Ex client, as well as GotoMeeting and other presentation formats. It handles documents well. Using iAnnotate lets me markup and read PDF docs.

      I also found it great for reading specs rather than killing trees with paper or trying to read them off a computer screen. I can take them with me with ease.

      [...] Add on top of that the fact that I can do Voip calls and listen to my music all at the same time.

      At my office, we do all that stuff with laptops that cost about as much as an iPad, but they also run Office and various other productivity apps. Have you discovered any advantage of doing them on an iPad instead, or are you just pointing out that the iPad isn't 100% useless in an office environment?

      I also have RDP and VNC clients plus a shell terminal (no, not jailbroken) lets me SSH into other boxes and do sys admin work as well as a slew of other network tools available.

      My god, why would you torture yourself by trying to do remote desktop and SSH without a keyboard? I mean, yes, those tools exist, but the iPad itself really isn't suited for typing more than a few words at a time.

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    16. Re:Steal the market? by 0123456 · · Score: 2

      Now if only Apple could bring a bigger iPad with a bigger battery life. Same display resolution but bigger display. Older people hate "small displays". Give them 13" displays minimum.

      Then they could add a keyboard, to make it more useful for when you have to enter lots of text.

    17. Re:Steal the market? by CODiNE · · Score: 2, Informative

      That's funny I just went to a 2 week long training class where the instructors used an iPad to present all their lectures everyday all day long. Using Keynote presentations and videos here and there it was 10x better than the typical Power Point crap I've been subjected to.

      You can do plenty of "real work" on an iPad if you're not married to MS Office.

      Actually I forgot my own iPad delivered lecture that went smoother than previous ones using a laptop, partly because it fit on the podium I was stuck with and didn't distract the audience. It's presenter mode needs improvement but it did the job. I'll probably do the next few the same way since it's not as cumbersome as having a laptop on the stage.

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    18. Re:Steal the market? by mellon · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Er, they did. You have two options: the keyboard dock, and the bluetooth keyboard. Both work great for entering lots of data. The bluetooth keyboard is even portable, although I am not really in the habit of bringing it along--it turns out not to be necessary most of the time when I'm out and about, but the iPad itself is damned useful, particularly if you're in a strange city.

    19. Re:Steal the market? by mellon · · Score: 1

      Huh. I watched about ten hours of video on my iPad on the way back from the Beijing IETF. The screen felt a bit small, although adequate. I liked it a lot better than the screen on the back of the seat, which was probably closer to 4.8". Sure, you can get by with 4.8", but the larger screen is really nice. That's why there's a market for 50" TV sets.

    20. Re:Steal the market? by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 1

      bluetooth keyboard?

      Keyboard dock?

      I've used an iPad for some sysadmin stuff, it's not painful in the slightest.

      I'd rather have an iPad around for those kinds of tasks than a laptop. Laptops get hot, they're bulky, and heavy. An iPad's lighter, and with a bluetooth keyboard and a decent stand, better than a laptop for remote work.

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    21. Re:Steal the market? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In my new job of a sales engineer i use a Lenovo Tablet for demonstrating things to clients. I also own an IPad and as you have correctly have identified its purpose is soley for plane flights because here in australia we are literally 10 hours from anywhere (NZ excepted).

      I couldn't use the IPad for my presentations and demonstrations for several reasons;

      Firstly the deals i am now doing are big money, and at the risk of insulting some people an IPad does not give the impression of professionlism that a featureless Lenovo does.
      Secondly we mainly develop one off SCADA systems and alot of my meetings are demonstrations and walkthoughs of the user interfaces, these cannot run on an IPad.
      Thirdly our clients often want too see plans and diagrams and more importantly they are useful in selling new ideas, we could transfer them ALL into a PDF and put them on an IPad - or we could just have SolidWorks installed and display the ones we want when need.
      Finally i need a keyboard to type up reports, after a tiring day with jet lag i need to be able to feel the keys.

      I am not saying Apple wont make a business version. But they will need to address these concerns before it will actually replace tablets - some of them are not trivial.

    22. Re:Steal the market? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "At my office, we do all that stuff with laptops..."

      Walking around your office? Or between offices? I'd like to see you walking and typing on a laptop.

    23. Re:Steal the market? by ToasterMonkey · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure I'd say the iPad has "stolen the market". Nearly every presentation I've been in/been a part of still has a laptop as the primary source of information. An ipad is great to carry around if you're just trying to get email. If you're trying to do any real work, it fails miserably.

      They probably haven't infiltrated you company yet. They're a Blackberry replacement. Win-win, those with them can detach from work at the end of the day, and the business doesn't pay service charges.

      Everyone else will continue using their laptops for 99% of their business oriented tasks, and keep their iPad's around when they don't want to lug around a full laptop, and don't need to get any "real work" done.

      Exactly, like a Blackberry. Genius, isn't it?

    24. Re:Steal the market? by bonch · · Score: 1

      There were always Apple-bashing trolls, but the reason so many people around here try to hate on Apple now is that Google came out with a competing mobile platform, and Slashdotters are vehemently pro-Google no matter what the company does, so Apple has suddenly become the enemy again.

    25. Re:Steal the market? by saleenS281 · · Score: 1

      There is absolutely no way that slideshow was produced on the iPad. Presenting/consuming is NOT creating. And it is NOT doing the "real work" I'm talking about. The "real work" is when I create the presentation, not when I give present it.

    26. Re:Steal the market? by bonch · · Score: 1

      I'd say 95% of the market is definitely stealing the market. They're even hurting netbook sales according to Microsoft.

    27. Re:Steal the market? by bytesex · · Score: 1

      You *type*, professionally, on an ipad ? Wow. How many miles from any other terminal with a real keyboard do they drop you in order to force you to do this ?

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    28. Re:Steal the market? by mikestew · · Score: 1

      There is absolutely no way that slideshow was produced on the iPad.

      Unless you were there, why would you say that? You can create Keynote presentations on an iPad, complete with video. I'd rather use a Mac, but an iPad can do it.

    29. Re:Steal the market? by MemoryDragon · · Score: 1

      For me the ipad has replaced the laptop for 80% of my casual stuff. It simply is more convenient to lie on the couch and do the internet stuff, or listen to music or watch a movie or read than with a notebook computer. For professional use, there still is the notebook computer and my desktop computer, but for private stuff, like gaming surfing etc.... it is ipad for almost 100%

    30. Re:Steal the market? by CODiNE · · Score: 1

      It's doable but your pictures have to already be in the Photo Library. If you were getting pictures off the web you'd first save them to the library then go select them in Keynote.

      One glaring omission is the "Instant-Alpha" that the desktop version has, though there's probably "an app for that" that'll do it and save to your library. It can be cumbersome but you can do the whole thing right on the iPad.

      I don't get you "Can't create on the iPad" people, did you say the same thing when the mouse came out? There's tons of examples out there you just chose to ignore them.

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    31. Re:Steal the market? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I take your point. Very funnily put btw. But honestly, I don't understand how apple is still in business... not everyone can be as fucking stupid as you are. And when i say stupid obviously i don't just mean buying overpriced plastic crap and thinking that its more powerful or better somehow than an equivalently priced pc. No i mean more stupid than that; properly missing something in your life and at the same time unable to stand back and see that taking steve jobs' pecker up the rear passage, so to speak, is not necessarily going to make things better, any more so than scientology or any other religious crap? I mean where the fuck do people like you come from? Kinda reminds me of the song Eleanor Rigby.

    32. Re:Steal the market? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let jobs' put his cock into your mouth just once and you won't see the world the same way, ever again. I promise.

      Forget about the business of allowing your wallet to be rigorously violated - once you've seen the light, things like money become less important. Certainly less so than critical thinking and old notions of judgment.

    33. Re:Steal the market? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can edit word documents, spreadsheets, autocad drawings etc... Try this carry a laptop, through a warehouse, and update a shipment status without setting it down.

    34. Re:Steal the market? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How is the laptop the same price, if it has office and other productivity apps on it? It must be a POS.

    35. Re:Steal the market? by Rich0 · · Score: 1

      Uh, is the laptop really heavier than an iPad plus a keyboard plus a stand? I think you're comparing apples and oranges. With my laptop I can be just about as productive on a trip as I could be in the office, with only my laptop, a charger, and a headset for phone/conferencing. I don't think that you're going to weigh in any lighter with an iPad.

    36. Re:Steal the market? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You need to adjust your style to beat the game.

    37. Re:Steal the market? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If there were a ruggedized iPad, it would be a fantastic tool to use in a warehouse. It can connect to barcode scanners over bluetooth, and you could use it for receiving inspection tasks, interacting with your management system, and shipping. The backend database would have to be present to allow for automatic data entry, and things would have to be barcoded, but overall it would be a lot more powerful than a CE terminal. People underestimate how annoying it is to take out the stylus from the device for every single little thing. It's very frustrating.

      Good barcode UIs use a lot of guesswork in the interface and back end and require the usage scenarios to be very tightly regulated. If you had a decent touch screen you would be able to loosen up a lot of those regulations.

      Actually if someone made a CE terminal with a capacitive touch screen and glovable icons it would be perfect. Except that CE is a huge pain in the ass. Especially on touch interfaces.

      Questions for apple nerds:

      Does the iPad have an IP rating?
      What bluetooth device classes does it support?

    38. Re:Steal the market? by CodeBuster · · Score: 1

      why would you torture yourself by trying to do remote desktop and SSH without a keyboard? I mean, yes, those tools exist, but the iPad itself really isn't suited for typing more than a few words at a time.

      It's funny that you should mention that. In fact many of the UNIX shell commands were designed to be as short as possible so that they could be easily input with teletypes which were big and slow mechanical keyboards. The same limitation that made shortness desirable in the teletype days has shown its value again with the iPad and virtual keyboards.

    39. Re:Steal the market? by Mr2001 · · Score: 1

      Exactly. The iPad really isn't any more portable than a laptop to begin with: it's a little lighter, but not less bulky in any meaningful sense. It doesn't fit in your pocket, so you need a bag for it, and once you've got the bag it doesn't really matter whether the device inside it is 1" or 1.5" thick.

      But if you have to haul around a stand and a keyboard to make the iPad usable, now it's less portable than a laptop.

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    40. Re:Steal the market? by Mr2001 · · Score: 1

      I'd like to see you walking and typing on a laptop.

      I'd pay to see someone walking and typing on an iPad. They're hard enough to type on when you can set them down!

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    41. Re:Steal the market? by Mr2001 · · Score: 1

      You can edit word documents, spreadsheets, autocad drawings etc...

      You mean, you can use watered-down mobile apps that support a fraction of the features of those document formats? You can view a spreadsheet as long as it doesn't use any Excel features that have been added since 2000?

      That's nice for a proof of concept, but in the real world people do sometimes use the features of the software they've paid for.

      Try this carry a laptop, through a warehouse, and update a shipment status without setting it down.

      Try this: carry a package in one hand and a tablet in the other, and update the shipment status without setting either down.

      If you want portability and convenience, the iPad loses to any handheld/pocket-sized device, even the iPod Touch. If you want functionality, it ties the iPod Touch and loses to laptops. The only device the iPad can beat in the business world is another tablet, and then only when you don't use it for anything complicated.

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    42. Re:Steal the market? by Mr2001 · · Score: 1

      You can get a low-end laptop for $350 and a copy of Office 2010 Home & Business for $200 - that's right between the 16GB and 32GB iPad. Or you can go with OpenOffice and spend that $200 on better hardware.

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    43. Re:Steal the market? by JAlexoi · · Score: 1

      Well if you're watching movies you are no longer a business user, are you now?
      But, iPad is primarily a media consumption device. So no wonder...

    44. Re:Steal the market? by JAlexoi · · Score: 1

      Oh... So you're basically making the iPad into an underpowered, less feature laptop...
      And iPad is crap where you have to actually DO something, not just read off the screen. If you just need to read docs, monitor systems and type in some lines of text(IM or a quick email reply) anything beyond, you're much more productive with a MacBook Air or T410s or similar.

    45. Re:Steal the market? by JAlexoi · · Score: 1

      I'd rather use a Mac

      That is the whole point of the argument. iPad is a CONSUMPTION device. PERIOD. Producing stuff on an iPad is like torture or (external keyboard and stand) renders the whole idea of the device useless(takes out mobile out of Mobile Internet Device).

    46. Re:Steal the market? by JAlexoi · · Score: 1

      Sure you can produce on an iPad, just it makes iPad as portable as a nettop.

    47. Re:Steal the market? by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 1

      i can leave the keyboard in my bag when I'm not using it. When I'm using a notebook or other portable, the keyboard always comes with me. Portables with similar sized screens tend not to get 10 hours of battery life. Laptops ... not so much, unless we're talking about a cheap netbook with a giant battery, then, i'm going to *need* an external keyboard anyway, and the track pad is definitely going to suck.

      There's very little I can't do on an iPad that I can do on a laptop, like burn a hole in my crotch.

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    48. Re:Steal the market? by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 1

      How do you know? I own a MacBook and work's provided a T410. For remote administrative work, no, the iPad's form factor is superior. If I were editing video or hacking away at images, we'd be talking a different story.

      I wish this meme of the iPad only being for consumption would just fucking die already.

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    49. Re:Steal the market? by Mr2001 · · Score: 1

      When I'm using a notebook or other portable, the keyboard always comes with me. Portables with similar sized screens tend not to get 10 hours of battery life. Laptops ... not so much, unless we're talking about a cheap netbook with a giant battery, then, i'm going to *need* an external keyboard anyway, and the track pad is definitely going to suck.

      My 15" laptop gets over 6 hours on a charge, doesn't burn my crotch, and cost about as much as a 64GB iPad.

      Do I always have to carry the keyboard with me? Sure. But like I said, it's still no less portable than an iPad: they both need a bag. IMO, the important divisions of portability are "attaches to my body" vs. "fits in my pocket" vs. "fits in a bag" vs. "fits in a suitcase" vs. "too big to travel with".

      Is 6 hours less than 10? Sure. But seriously, how often are you away from a power outlet for more than 6 but less than 10 hours?

      There's very little I can't do on an iPad that I can do on a laptop, like burn a hole in my crotch.

      Or run productivity/development apps, or view Flash sites, or carry files from one place to another, or play/burn CDs and DVDs...

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    50. Re:Steal the market? by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 1

      Do I always have to carry the keyboard with me? Sure. But like I said, it's still no less portable than an iPad: they both need a bag. IMO, the important divisions of portability are "attaches to my body" vs. "fits in my pocket" vs. "fits in a bag" vs. "fits in a suitcase" vs. "too big to travel with".

      the keyboard makes a laptop less portable than an iPad(has to be sat down in a specific form factor, can't be used any way else). The hard drive makes it less portable than an iPad(drop it and it's toast; drop an ipad and it's dinged). My work T410 gets 3 hours under optimal conditions.

      Or run productivity/development apps, or view Flash sites, or carry files from one place to another, or play/burn CDs and DVDs...

      I can run Pages, Notes, and god knows how many productivity apps from the app store, I can use a flash card over the camera connector or various file sharing apps to share files over wifi, my last two netbooks couldn't burn CDs either, and the lack of flash is a feature.

      Let's stop this stupid meme of the iPad is for consumption only. it's bullshit.

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    51. Re:Steal the market? by Mr2001 · · Score: 1

      The hard drive makes it less portable than an iPad(drop it and it's toast; drop an ipad and it's dinged).

      I think you mean "drop an iPad and it's shattered". All that glass is a liability.

      My work T410 gets 3 hours under optimal conditions.

      That's unfortunate, but might I suggest taking another look at the laptop market? It's really not hard to find one that'll run twice as long. I bought mine off the shelf at Best Buy (an HP Pavilion), and it lasts for 6+ hours of actual use.

      I can run Pages, Notes, and god knows how many productivity apps from the app store,

      You can run watered-down mobile versions of productivity apps that support a subset of features of their relevant document types. That's a far cry from actually being able to run Office 2010 (or even OpenOffice) and fully view/edit every part of the documents you're collaborating on.

      my last two netbooks couldn't burn CDs either,

      Neither can my coffee maker, but so what? Who's talking about netbooks?

      and the lack of flash is a feature.

      Keep telling yourself that.

      Let's stop this stupid meme of the iPad is for consumption only. it's bullshit.

      Let's stop this stupid meme of "the iPad is a business tool". It's bullshit. Just because it's only 90% useless in an office doesn't mean it belongs there.

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  8. My personal view: by Servaas · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Doesn't matter how pretty and comfortable you make the prison, it's still a prison. And if you need to run anything that isn't valid depending on Apple, you're out of luck.

    1. Re:My personal view: by NiceGeek · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If you're buying an iPad or iPhone and think that you can run something that didn't come from the App store, you should have done better research. For many people what Apple produces is sufficient. For those who want features that Apple doesn't provide, there are other options. I see no point in complaining that a device doesn't do what you want if you're never going to buy one in the first place, buy something else.

    2. Re:My personal view: by 605dave · · Score: 2

      Exactly. Hyperbole never helps.

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    3. Re:My personal view: by greenbobb · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yeah, no more music, poetry or any other form of creativity either. I say we never look at things in new ways ever again.

    4. Re:My personal view: by hedwards · · Score: 1

      I'd like to know where you go to buy coffee that makes you think that somebody would compare buying it there to rape. At least with the prison analogy there is some component which is analogous, if a bit of a hyperbole. I mean they do call unlocking an iPhone jailbreaking it for a reason. But in no respect to any extent is rape like charging $5 for coffee.

    5. Re:My personal view: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      MeeGo is a better alternative..

    6. Re:My personal view: by Dogtanian · · Score: 1

      For those who want features that Apple doesn't provide, there are other options. I see no point in complaining that a device doesn't do what you want if you're never going to buy one in the first place, buy something else.

      The tired old shut-down of criticism, "if you don't like it, you don't have to buy one" leading to "if you're not going to buy it, don't criticise".

      The latter takes the original point (valid) and extends it in a totally invalid way. Of course people are entitled to criticise what they aren't buying, and to explain what they don't like about it. Others are entitled to consider or ignore this opinion, but not to expect them to shut up about it.

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    7. Re:My personal view: by NiceGeek · · Score: 1

      I didn't say he couldn't criticize I said I didn't see the point. There are many things I can complain about, but I just exercise my prerogative as a consumer and vote with my pocketbook. If you wish to complain, knock yourself out.

    8. Re:My personal view: by jwdav · · Score: 1

      You can easily run something that didn't come from the app store. It works the same way as the iPhone, allowing for ad hoc installation of software, and even management of software for enterprise customers. You do need to sign up as a developer to do so and to get the tools to do so. It’s primarily intended as a way to distribute beta/prerelease versions of applications, or for organizations who develop applications for internal use. How do you think developers get their apps-in-progress onto iOS devices for testing? Dev's are limited to 100 users, enterprise customers are not.

    9. Re:My personal view: by mellon · · Score: 1

      Dude, this is hooey. If you want to run stuff that's not in the App Store, you have to pay $100 for a developer license. Then you can run whatever you want. You can complain about *that*--I would certainly rather be able to do it for free. But $100 is not an insurmountable obstacle, if you like the form factor.

    10. Re:My personal view: by bytesex · · Score: 1

      It's not about it being a prison. It's about it not having a single (white collar) business purpose AT ALL. It's not like we formed our businesses around that what the IT industry gave us - it's the other way around: we HAD phones, we HAD typewriters, and we HAD spreadsheets, and then IT came along and gave us computers and mobile phones to make it easier to do the same things. There is no historical functional business equivalent of the ipad, save for that thing with the paper and the clip that Mr FedEX holds when he wants you to sign off on something.

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    11. Re:My personal view: by mug+funky · · Score: 1

      mod parent up. as much as apple-ogists annoy me, this is a very good point.

    12. Re:My personal view: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Never" seems like a bit of an exaggeration.

    13. Re:My personal view: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And if you need to run anything that isn't valid depending on Apple, you're out of luck.

      Wrong. It is possible to manage them in an enterprise environment. Jamf Software's Casper Suite provides management of iP*** devices, including the ability to install your own apps independently of the App Store.

    14. Re:My personal view: by Rich0 · · Score: 1

      Well, you have to pay $100 and write it yourself.

      Chances are that TinyCorp's 14-axis mill software works just fine on a PC-based desktop, laptop, or tablet, but getting it to run on an iPad would involve paying somebody quite a bit of money. Ditto for MicroCorp's data acquisition software for their fluid level sensing system, or NobodyCo's drivers for their dye-sublimation on drywall printer. I'm sure BlockHeadCo's concrete simulation software or LittleGuy's dental amalgum mixer software isn't going to pan out either.

      Unless all you do is write letters (err, read letters), there is a TON of stuff in the corporate/industrial world that you're not going to be able to run on an iPad. If you want to actually write anything longer than LOL you'll probably want a bluetooth keyboard, which is now basically just giving you a laptop that doesn't collapse for easy transport.

      Sure, a company could try to get their 34,000 software vendors to switch to the iPad, but chances are at least a few aren't going to be interested, at least not unless the company wants to by another $3M 14-axis mill.

    15. Re:My personal view: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      no no, you're missing the point. Since it doesn't do exactly what I want, no one else should buy one.

      interesting - catcha is "fascism"

  9. Market Belongs to Microsoft? by Reverend_Sin · · Score: 1

    I was given to understand that the reason the Ipad hasn't succeeded in a business environment is because the Windows based Tablet already dominates that market. I know the local hospital purchased a ton of tablets recently when they underwent a huge remodeling.

    1. Re:Market Belongs to Microsoft? by gmhowell · · Score: 1

      I was given to understand that the reason the Ipad hasn't succeeded in a business environment is because the Windows based Tablet already dominates that market. I know the local hospital purchased a ton of tablets recently when they underwent a huge remodeling.

      Except that's not what the article or the summary say. It is about how the iPad is supplanting those traditional tablets.

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    2. Re:Market Belongs to Microsoft? by bloodhawk · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I was given to understand that the reason the Ipad hasn't succeeded in a business environment is because the Windows based Tablet already dominates that market. I know the local hospital purchased a ton of tablets recently when they underwent a huge remodeling.

      Except that's not what the article or the summary say. It is about how the iPad is supplanting those traditional tablets.

      It isn't the first time the article has been full of shit. I work in 2 government departments, they bought a stack of ipad's with the assumption that the intitial trial would lead to full scale rollout and do as the article suggested. It took all of about 3 weeks before most of the 30 trial ipads been returned to IT (think the number stands at 22 returned) and they went back to laptops/tablets. The Ipad is nice but it just isn't a good work tool, it is something for entertainment.

    3. Re:Market Belongs to Microsoft? by PCM2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yeah but what "market" are we talking about here? I've walked around a lot of enterprises and I haven't seen many tablets, Windows or otherwise. My understanding has always been that except for individual enthusiasts, the markets (plural) for Windows Tablets have traditionally been verticals -- healthcare, oil and gas, things like that. These aren't Compaq tablets that you order from Tiger Direct, either; they tend to be purpose-built, ruggedized devices. I don't really see the iPad worming its way into those markets with any great speed.

      And even if iPad has "stolen the entire market" -- a statement I choose to interpret as saying that people who have bought iPads are happy with them and have no plans to switch to something else -- how big is that market really? I hear vague statements about iPad sales. I live in the City of San Francisco and I've maybe seen 2-3 iPads out in the wild. Maybe most people keep theirs at home, I don't know -- but you would think that if mobility is such a big factor in why people are buying these things, I'd see more of them around town. By comparison, I feel safe to assume that just about every single person I pass on the street has access to a laptop, or at the very least a desktop PC or Mac. The iPad's true market presence does not seem very significant by comparison.

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    4. Re:Market Belongs to Microsoft? by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Except that the Ipad isn't supplanting those traditional tablets. As far as I can tell, for the most part, the Ipad is entering into a market that didn't exist before the Ipad. Everyone I know who owns one bought it as an entertainment device. On the other hand every traditional tablet in end user hands that I am aware of is in a business environment.

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    5. Re:Market Belongs to Microsoft? by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

      I was given to understand that the reason the Ipad hasn't succeeded in a business environment is because the Windows based Tablet already dominates that market. I know the local hospital purchased a ton of tablets recently when they underwent a huge remodeling.

      Except that's not what the article or the summary say. It is about how the iPad is supplanting those traditional tablets.

      It isn't the first time the article has been full of shit. I work in 2 government departments, they bought a stack of ipad's with the assumption that the intitial trial would lead to full scale rollout and do as the article suggested. It took all of about 3 weeks before most of the 30 trial ipads been returned to IT (think the number stands at 22 returned) and they went back to laptops/tablets. The Ipad is nice but it just isn't a good work tool, it is something for entertainment.

      I'm not surprised at that result, and I agree: it's an entertainment device but then again ... so what? Apple has never shown much interest in the business market. There are a whole host of headaches and liabilities (not the least of which is support) that Apple Computer is perfectly willing to leave to the likes of Dell, HP and others. The fact the the iPad (or the iAnything, including the Macintosh) don't serve as well in business roles as software and hardware meant for that purpose is likewise no surprise. If you want a business computer, buy a business computer from the hundreds of vendors that sell them. If you want what Apple has to offer, that's great, but it's best not to pretend that it's something that it isn't, and was never intended to be. People that do might as well complain that their PCs aren't any good at making mixed drinks.

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    6. Re:Market Belongs to Microsoft? by gmhowell · · Score: 1

      Yeah but what "market" are we talking about here?

      Beats the shit outta me. I was merely pointing out that the grandparent was replying to something that wasn't said in the article or in the summary. Hell, after reading the 'article', I see it was merely an opinion piece that doesn't really cite anything other than a Samsung VP (or was in engineer?)

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    7. Re:Market Belongs to Microsoft? by gmhowell · · Score: 1

      You're right. I thought about including verbiage to that effect in my reply above. It looks like tablets (and the opinion piece the /. story refers to speaks to 'new tablets' like the iPad and various Androids vs. XP laptops sans keyboards) are moving into new spaces.

      I anticipate that some Android manufacturer will find a way to boot those traditional tablets to the curb. The only trick at the moment is that many of them seem to run some custom application that the vendor may not wish to port. But given the potential smaller size and greater efficiency of the new hardware/OS combos, it should only be a matter of time before 'supplant' is the correct verb.

      Not yet though.

      TL;DR: you're right.

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    8. Re:Market Belongs to Microsoft? by hedwards · · Score: 1

      I'm wondering about that. I can't imagine them being easy to enter information into, and reading on a display like that tends to be sort of tiring. I didn't realize how much of a pain it was until I got my Nook a couple days ago. Much less strain on the eyes than on my LCD monitor.

      The iPad presumably isn't good in bright light and the battery life is about 10 hours, and apart from wireless that's about what you get.

      At least with the Kindle and Nook you get something that's efficient with sales reports and without a lot of distractions.

    9. Re:Market Belongs to Microsoft? by hedwards · · Score: 1

      Indeed. If you want an ebook reader, e-ink is the way to go, you get the sharpness and easy to read benefits from what is essentially a reprinting book with the easy to navigate features that come with digital technology.

      Now, it can't really handle color very well, the e-ink technology can handle color sort of but not well and the refresh rate isn't as good, but at the end of the day if you're wanting to keep reports on hand in a convenient form and possibly have them updated your better off getting an actual ebook reader. Both the Kindle and Nook are great for that with the proper infrastructure.

      If you're needing something to enter data conveniently, you really do need a real keyboard for that. Touch screen devices just are not as good as a keyboard for that, in the same way that a mouse just isn't as effective as a keyboard or graphics tablet, dependent upon use.

    10. Re:Market Belongs to Microsoft? by PCM2 · · Score: 1

      I noticed that too. Samsung is, of course, the first company to go running after the iPad's market with its Galaxy tablets. So Samsung rep says everybody wants tablets...gotcha.

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    11. Re:Market Belongs to Microsoft? by mellon · · Score: 1

      They bought 30 iPads without a plan for how to use them? And the manager that signed off on that still works there? That's not how you do things--you buy new devices to address needs, not because they're cool, or might be useful. If the device doesn't address a need, don't buy it. Generally speaking, the way you tell that the device addresses a need is that people in the department are asking for it, and providing concrete justifications for why they want it. You don't buy it for them, and try to cram it down their throats.

    12. Re:Market Belongs to Microsoft? by mellon · · Score: 1

      "Presumably?" "Probably?"

      Um, maybe you should try one out before you start criticizing it. You probably still won't like it, but at least then you won't embarrass yourself with all these weasel words. You might also criticize it for sucking at things it actually sucks at. Mine is fine in broad daylight, as long as the brightness is turned up.

    13. Re:Market Belongs to Microsoft? by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 1

      He didn't say they didn't have a plan for how to use them, he said they didn't work for what they planned to use them for. I work for a company that bought 200 thin clients. We deployed 30 of them and they did not work for the purpose we bought them for. I don't know what was done with the remaining 170. If they had worked out, we would have deployed several thousand over the next couple of years. The failure of these units to meet our business needs still amazes me.
      30 sounds about right for a trial deployment in a large organization.

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    14. Re:Market Belongs to Microsoft? by bloodhawk · · Score: 2, Interesting

      of course they had a plan of how to use them. Just the majority found them unwieldy and awkward for most of the work items they used them for, an example would be the citrix client and the horrible onscreen keyboard, it simply drove people batshit trying to get stuff done. Basically managers their thought they would be a good improvement to productivity for many of the remote based users that aren't terribly good with computers to begin with, turns out they were wrong, that's why they only bought 30 so they can test before doing a major rollout.

    15. Re:Market Belongs to Microsoft? by gmhowell · · Score: 1

      Not to mention the relevance (or lack thereof) of a device's performance in bright sunlight to most businesses.

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    16. Re:Market Belongs to Microsoft? by SoupIsGoodFood_42 · · Score: 1

      Maybe the problem has more to do with the rollout than than iPad itself.

    17. Re:Market Belongs to Microsoft? by ToasterMonkey · · Score: 1

      Yeah but what "market" are we talking about here? I've walked around a lot of enterprises and I haven't seen many tablets, Windows or otherwise. My understanding has always been that except for individual enthusiasts, the markets (plural) for Windows Tablets have traditionally been verticals

      You're all looking at the wrong market.

    18. Re:Market Belongs to Microsoft? by MemoryDragon · · Score: 1

      I personally think the ipad is mostly a couch and toilet paper replacement. I own one, but 99% of the time it stays at home because for the quick mobile internet I have my mobile phone (have in mind prepaid data plans are cheap like mineral water where I live so getting a second plan here is a no brainer)
      But I personally still think that the iPad has hit the netbook market big time, after all basically all the stuff people do with a netbook (and that is mostly not doing any serious work) is done better with the iPad. I have yet to meet a person who has used his netbook seriously for work, most of them have used it as cheap web surf station or watched a movie.

    19. Re:Market Belongs to Microsoft? by wisebabo · · Score: 1

      You must live on a different planet because I live IN VIETNAM and when I go to coffee shops (no, they're not techie coffee shops in any way) I'll usually see one or two people preening with one.

      The per capita income in Vietnam is about $2K/yr., Apple computers are very rare and iPads are not even sold here yet (all the ones here are expensively imported) and probably won't be for awhile (Vietnam is way way down on Apple's list of markets).

      I just can't believe that in the Hi-Tech center of the universe SAN FRANCISCO, you've only seen 2-3 "in the wild". Either you're trolling or you don't get out of your mother's basement much. Maybe both.

    20. Re:Market Belongs to Microsoft? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      unlikely, the ipad is just not designed with productivity in mind, it is an entertainment device, which is how apple market it. Unfortunately many execs and apple fanbois try to slam the square peg into the hole regardless and the end result is inevitable. The only thing wrong with such a rollout is it should not have been tried to begin with.

    21. Re:Market Belongs to Microsoft? by garote · · Score: 1

      Yeah, he's trolling. I am one of those iPad-slinging San Franciscans and I can tell you up front that the reason I and my ilk do not often haul the thing out in public is because it is a huge target for thievery, just like the iPod used to be.

      Since I'm here I'll tell you another interesting thing: When I do haul it out, it's usually not to do solitary work like a student in a coffee shop, but to do something social, like look up something online with friends at a restaurant. Or share a map, or photos. You would _never_ pass a laptop around a table. But an iPad moves easily and can be laid flat so that everyone at the table can see the same thing.

    22. Re:Market Belongs to Microsoft? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is taking off in markets with highly mobile field forces and complex process needs. Big pharma moves big on the iPad, the first time a device has captured so much attention since the first laptop.

    23. Re:Market Belongs to Microsoft? by SoupIsGoodFood_42 · · Score: 1

      IT departments are often the odd-sized peg in many places. Nothing wrong with the iPad. Rollout is probably the problem.

  10. Partially correct by Mysteray · · Score: 1

    I think he's got it partly right: from the outset, the big markets identified for tablet computers were hospital, warehouse inventory, and maintenance person type jobs. Note these are cases where somebody probably runs just a single app and they didn't choose the app themselves it was a condition of their job. In other words, its a crummy data entry device.

    The iPad seems like the first tablet that's positioned as something someone would actually enjoy using, rather than being a Windows XP notebook with a barcode scanner in place of a keyboard.

    That said, to this hacker it seems absurd to think of an iPad representing freedom. It looks to me more like a cross between an etch-a-sketch, finger paints, and a television.

    1. Re:Partially correct by gmhowell · · Score: 1

      That said, to this hacker it seems absurd to think of an iPad representing freedom. It looks to me more like a cross between an etch-a-sketch, finger paints, and a television.

      Except that two of the three things you mention are totally freeform products for creating all sorts of stuff. It gets even weirder when an avowed Apple fan such as myself acknowledges that this isn't the iPad's forte.

      Methinks people shouldn't denigrate the etch-a-sketch and fingerpaints.

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  11. Consumer features vs. Business features by HumanEmulator · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The features that have made the iPad a huge success are very consumer oriented features:

    • affordable everywhere internet
    • the complete lack of anything that requires a 3rd party to support
    • a really polished playful user interface

    Will those benefits apply to business customers? Maybe, but none of those are things that business really cares about. In fact, some people (service providers and IT departments) have a lot to lose by recommending a device with those first two features. It's possible the only effect this will have is on how happy business users are with the equipment they're given.

    1. Re:Consumer features vs. Business features by hedwards · · Score: 1

      It's not just a question of the benefits, it's a question of whether the iPad can provide them better than the competition. And I'm not really sure that they can right now. The iPad is less expensive than a high end tablet, but more expensive than a high end ebook. It gets worse battery life than the ebook readers and is harder to read in the outdoors. But, it's display is more responsive and the input might be a bit more efficient than the ebook readers.

      I'll have to wait and see, but I'm not really sure that in the business environment that paying that kind of money when you can get a color Nook for half that or a tablet starting in the $300 range that it's going to fly.

      I do admit that I could be wrong, I just think that the Apple has an uphill struggle if if wants the iPad to be used in the business world as a replacement for tablets.

    2. Re:Consumer features vs. Business features by yuna49 · · Score: 1

      I had a hard time keeping myself from laughing out loud when I came to this paragraph in the article:

      However, there exists another key to Apple's success: its products are built around giving people freedom in the user experience. Apple lets you figure out how best to make use of their handhelds. The App Store is a beautiful demonstration of this--it's all about choosing what you want to do with your iPhone or iPad, and not being badgered into using them in a particular way.

      Business users are no different from home users in needing this kind of freedom.

      Haven't most reasonably-sized IT departments just spent the better part of a decade locking down office workstations so they can administer a common desktop, common applications, and impose security and authentication centrally? Do you think most IT departments want to give their users "freedom in the user experience?" I can't imagine a worse management problem than a device where each individual user goes shopping at the App Store for whatever makes them happy regardless of its fit with the business or whether IT can support it.

    3. Re:Consumer features vs. Business features by zyzko · · Score: 1

      Haven't most reasonably-sized IT departments just spent the better part of a decade locking down office workstations so they can administer a common desktop, common applications, and impose security and authentication centrally? Do you think most IT departments want to give their users "freedom in the user experience?" I can't imagine a worse management problem than a device where each individual user goes shopping at the App Store for whatever makes them happy regardless of its fit with the business or whether IT can support it.

      Yeah, I laughed at that too because the freedom with iPad is "Apple-freedom" which doesn't really allow choice in the user experince. But giving users choice with their tools isn't actually that bad according to studies I've read recently. Letting the user choose the cellphone and laptop / other equipment he/she likes can actually boost productivity instead of providing the standard one with approved centally-contolled desktop and applications. And competent it support can also handle it - it means a little bit of work on the support side but it can be a huge boost on the productivity side.

      Of course assuming the end-user isn't a complete moron who just wants new gadgets because it's hip and cool and demands that everything must work on the new gizmo like it did with the old one. And that problem arises usually with those types that have too much power and too much incompetence and it support already has special (non-written, but everyone knows them) ways to deal with them because they are usually the "important people" who demand a shortcut anyway.

      And yes, I own an iPad, it's a great tool for couch-surfing, games and things like that - I even bring it up with me on business trips because with it I don't have to worry about the battery life of my laptop for next days meeting and it is much nicer to hold when being bored at the hotel room bed in the evening and checking the news than a laptop. But I hardly imagine it could help me in my work - even if I want to read my work documents on the road after work-hours I have to resort to my laptop because getting the documents from svn/other systems I or our clients use on the iPad would be very hard and/or a security risk if it was allowed in a way iPad can support it. It is an innovative entertainment device, but not be-all solve-all solution.

    4. Re:Consumer features vs. Business features by MemoryDragon · · Score: 1

      Actually given the crap that it departements shove down the average business user it seems to me everything they are given they are happy with, because in many corporate environments the desktops are close to bei unusable due to the strong security enforcement and underconfigurations which make the machines snails instead of workhorses, they should be.

  12. Of course there are no iPads in businesses by pankkake · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...hipsters don't have jobs.

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    1. Re:Of course there are no iPads in businesses by wierd_w · · Score: 5, Funny

      no, but In soviet america, Jobs has Hipsters!

    2. Re:Of course there are no iPads in businesses by jonaskoelker · · Score: 1

      [from parent's signature] Microsoft is a marketing company, not a software company. Apple is a marketing company, not a hardware company.

      What kind of company does that not make Google?

  13. It's pretty simple by dreamchaser · · Score: 1

    Tablets as they exist currently are more or less useless for business purposes. They target a different market. Must be a slow news day.

    1. Re:It's pretty simple by hedwards · · Score: 1

      I think /. has a special subroutine which automatically routes any submissions about Apple products to the front page. Along with those that bash MS.

    2. Re:It's pretty simple by dreamchaser · · Score: 1

      Yep, because to most of the sheeple on /. anything Apple does is magically delicious.

  14. Surely he jests by airfoobar · · Score: 1

    "There's a lot to be said for having faith in users to make best use of their computer, without pushing and pulling them in ways you think are best for them."

    He said that about an Apple product??? Believe me, in the past the limits imposed on tablet users were mostly because of limitations in the technology; with Apple it's blatantly lack of faith in users to make best use of their computer, by pushing and pulling them in ways they think are best for them.

    And no, I don't often partake in Apple bashing, but come on!

    1. Re:Surely he jests by gmhowell · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That's one way to put it. Or one could say they make it really, incredibly easy to do 90% of the stuff people want to, while making it near impossible to shoot yourself in the foot trying to do the other 10% (by preventing it from happening).

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  15. A more cynical explanation ... by jc42 · · Score: 1, Insightful

    ... would be that historically, the "business" community has rarely adopted anything computer-like until it comes out with the IBM logo on it. Back in the 1980s, lots of little companies were marketing desktop computers, but they were considered toys by the business community, until IBM came out with theirs.

    Now, I can hear people saying "What about Microsoft, huh?" This is an example that supports the thesis, since Microsoft's first successes were with the machines labelled as "IBM Personal Computers". Furthermore, if you go to ibm.com and look for available small computers, you'll see that all of them are advertised as running "Microsoft Windows 7 Professional Edition"(or sometimes "Vista" or "XP"). This supports the general business-world belief that Microsoft is the software-development division of IBM.

    Yes, I've asked business people about this, and I've gotten funny looks, because "everyone knows" that Microsoft is part of IBM. If you try going into an explanation of why this isn't technically true, you merely find yourself dismissed as a geek trying to confuse them with Too Much Information. They don't need to know the details of the arrangement; they just know that "computer" and "IBM machine" are and always have been synonyms, and the small ones run Microsoft software, so Microsoft is IBM's small-computer software developer. That's all they need to know; the rest is left to the hired help to discuss. And they don't order "tablet" computers because they haven't seen one sold by IBM yet.

    (Hey, is there one? I don't see it at ibm.com, but that doesn't mean that they don't have one. Sorta like how yes, you can get an IBM PC running linux -- if you can find it to order it. But try digging around at ibm.com to find it. It'll probably take you hours, and you should bookmark the page when you find it, otherwise it'll take you more hours to find it again the next time. Or it'll have moved and your bookmark doesn't work any more. But you can find MS Windows Pro all over the site. I's hard to find tablets there, so IBM probably doesn't sell them -- or doesn't want to. ;-)

    Anyway, it's likely that Apple has never much marketed to the business community, because like everyone else selling non-IBM-branded stuff, they know that they can't sell enough there for it to be profitable. But they can sell to individual purchasers, who might take their Apple toys along to work with them, and that's fine.

    There's an old saying that nobody ever gets fired for buying IBM. Similarly, nobody ever stays in business by trying to sell non-IBM stuff in IBM's market. That's a recipe for disaster and bankruptcy. The folks at Apple are smart enough to understand this, and don't try to sell in an arena where IBM/Microsoft will squash them.

    Of course, there may be a third and fourth theory for why Apple stays out of the business arena. Anyone want to explain the others? ;-)

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    1. Re:A more cynical explanation ... by DarkOx · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Given that IBM has pretty much exited the personal computer market I really don't understand what you are trying to say. You do realize they just market re-branded Lenovo stuff in that space right? I also think any executive issuing a PO for such equipment is not so clueless that they can't understand the differences between Microsoft, IBM, and Lenovo and I also doubt very much your thesis they don't care to understand.

      You either have astonishingly poor communication skills or actually do work with a bunch of monkeys and PHBs. I am not suggesting most Officers don't have their PHB moments but if yours are still having that moment in Q4-2010 you might want to look for another job because your firm's days are probably few.

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    2. Re:A more cynical explanation ... by InfiniteZero · · Score: 1

      > Microsoft is the software-development division of IBM

      There is an old joke.

      Q: What does IBM stand for?

      A: I Built Microsoft.

    3. Re:A more cynical explanation ... by Mysteray · · Score: 1

      Hmm, I think your information is about 15 years out of date.

      Today, surely every businessperson knows Microsoft isn't the software-development division of IBM anymore. They're the software-development division of Dell.

    4. Re:A more cynical explanation ... by PCM2 · · Score: 1

      Yes, I've asked business people about this, and I've gotten funny looks, because "everyone knows" that Microsoft is part of IBM. If you try going into an explanation of why this isn't technically true, you merely find yourself dismissed as a geek trying to confuse them with Too Much Information. They don't need to know the details of the arrangement; they just know that "computer" and "IBM machine" are and always have been synonyms, and the small ones run Microsoft software, so Microsoft is IBM's small-computer software developer.

      Which business people have you been talking to? Montgomery Burns?

      Actually, scratch that. Montgomery Burns would associate IBM with OS/360 and AS/400. You, on the other hand, appear to have been talking to someone who got trapped in a cave sometime around 1983 and only emerged last year.

      FWIW, IBM hasn't made PCs or laptops since 2005 at least, and even then they were losing money on the PC business hand over fist. Maybe you're thinking of Compaq? (They're part of HP now, BTW.)

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    5. Re:A more cynical explanation ... by gmhowell · · Score: 1

      1985 called, it wants its worldview back.

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    6. Re:A more cynical explanation ... by jc42 · · Score: 1

      1985 called, it wants its worldview back.

      It's quite welcome to drop by any time and pick it up.

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    7. Re:A more cynical explanation ... by jc42 · · Score: 1

      Well, I used to think that this "attitude" is out of date. But I keep talking to people who express it fairly clearly, often by simply not hearing any comments or questions about non-IBM/MS products. I've even seen this in places where gadgets with Apple logos were visible on a lot of desks.

      It can be impressive to walk around yet another company and see all the desktop computers with IBM logos. In the software development places that I mostly work, you hardly ever see that, but out in what passes for the "Real World", it's common.

      So I grudgingly admit that the old "Nobody ever got fired for buying IBM" seems to be alive and well in much of the "business" environment, bizarre as that may seem to an outsider. It's only a bit more complicated by the presence of Dell, who will of course sell you a computer with an IBM logo next to the MS-Window and Intel-Inside logos, if that's what your management wants.

      I wonder what the markup on those logo stickers is?

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    8. Re:A more cynical explanation ... by gmhowell · · Score: 1

      1985 called, it wants its worldview back.

      It's quite welcome to drop by any time and pick it up.

      Good thing DeLoreans were available cheaply back then.

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    9. Re:A more cynical explanation ... by gmhowell · · Score: 1

      I won't reference your signature since you are speaking of your personal experiences, but more information may make your point more interesting. I work in government and see none of the attitude and thinking that you are observing. Federal, FWIW. Non DoD. Are you just in a firm or two? Size, location, industry? Old management? And are they really saying this outright?

      Your comment seems a bit incredulous, which is probably why so many people are questioning it.

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    10. Re:A more cynical explanation ... by Firethorn · · Score: 1

      I'm DoD and I've seen 'some' of this with cisco switches and dell servers. Of course, there it became a matter of 'this is what we know; we're also one a first name basis with the dealers and support reps'.

      We're well aware that IBM isn't what it used to be.

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    11. Re:A more cynical explanation ... by gmhowell · · Score: 1

      Ok, that makes what you said a little less anachronistic.

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  16. Rather off the mark by unity100 · · Score: 1

    isnt it rather because technology finally reached a point where a device that is the size of a tablet provides acceptable resolution, processing power, battery life, thinness/lightness, and an acceptable touchscreen interface ? and apple jumped in at the right time ?

    1. Re:Rather off the mark by gmhowell · · Score: 2, Insightful

      isnt it rather because technology finally reached a point where a device that is the size of a tablet provides acceptable resolution, processing power, battery life, thinness/lightness, and an acceptable touchscreen interface ? and apple jumped in at the right time ?

      They also jettisoned the inappropriate WIMP interface, a not inconsequential addition to what you've stated. (Yes, I know, save me the effort of point out a dozen products over the years that used a similar interface. Those devices lacked the technical merits that the post I'm replying to mentions. Good hardware with WIMP fails, bad hardware without WIMP fails. The current popularity of tablets requires not only good hardware, but non-WIMP)

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  17. Facebook by Ebbesen · · Score: 1

    We all know, the main reason is that pre-iPad tablets kinda had to be placed on the table. It made it impossible to use Facebook while in a boring meeting, compared to an ordinary laptop where the screen provided some privacy.

    1. Re:Facebook by Mr2001 · · Score: 1

      We all know, the main reason is that pre-iPad tablets kinda had to be placed on the table.

      Funny, but have you felt an iPad? It's not all that light; to use it for more than a few minutes, you have to lay it down or lean it against something.

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  18. Re: Finger paints, Etch-a-sketch by Mysteray · · Score: 1

    Yes, you're right. Etch-a-sketches and finger paints are creative media.

    I apologize. I shouldn't have compared them to the iPad.

  19. weight and battery life by t2t10 · · Score: 2, Informative

    No, it wasn't cost. It was weight and battery life. I had a couple of tablet-style computers over the years. They were nice machines and not all that expensive.

    But at over 1" thick and weighing 6 pounds, you simply couldn't comfortably carry them around. They also took too long to turn on and off. You couldn't build a powerful lightweight tablet at the time at any price.

    Now that we have the processors, batteries, and screens that make lightweight, long-lasting tables possible, they are appearing from many companies.

    1. Re:weight and battery life by SoupIsGoodFood_42 · · Score: 1

      On the other hand, if you need to run AV software because you want the freedom of enterprise OSs like Win7 rather than the more restricted iOS, then you are going to need a bigger battery again.

    2. Re:weight and battery life by t2t10 · · Score: 1

      That's nonsense. iOS is a full desktop OS that just happens to have some power-related tweaks, a UI adapted to tablets and some restrictions on how many apps can run simultaneously. The idea that iOS has some deep design features in it that make it intrinsically better at conserving battery life on tablet is an Apple marketing fiction, as anybody with a battery usage meter on other operating systems can easily determine for themselves.

    3. Re:weight and battery life by SoupIsGoodFood_42 · · Score: 1

      It's still an OS that can't have AV software installed on it. Therefore, better battery life than a tablet running Win7 once IT is finished loading it up with the required corporate bloatware.

  20. My view on the success of the iPad? by MDillenbeck · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Timing, as others have said. People loved their iPods, then fell in love with their iPhones and iTouches - they got use to the interface. True, the iPad is more in the smartphone device category than in the netbook/laptop/tablet PC market (it doesn't even have a wacom digitizer to permit inking... what good is a notepad you can't write on naturally?) - and people have grown accustom to those with the recent emergence of powerful smartphones. If the iPad was launched 2 years ago it wouldn't have succeeded.

    1. Re:My view on the success of the iPad? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is no such thing as an iTouch.

  21. A business tablet? Add barcode input by JoeCommodore · · Score: 1

    I thought about it. I could see it work for us for use with data collection for our DDs, which are internet/web based. But for me I would think if there was an integrated barcode to key entry feature that would do it.

    Looking at the iPad/iPod/iPhone the barcode apps are more for amazon, not so you can use it as an entry alternative in another app. So without that they don't have much value here.

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  22. I thought it was poor aerodynamics... by bashibazouk · · Score: 3, Funny

    and not enough thrust.

    1. Re:I thought it was poor aerodynamics... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and not enough thrust.

      That's what she said!

  23. encryption products not yet mature by GovCheese · · Score: 1

    Once the encryption products mature for the iPads, and provide a secure environment for data at rest, they'll start penetrating the business market. Until then, they'll remain nice movie players.

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  24. Re:A business tablet? Add barcode input by aristotle-dude · · Score: 1

    I thought about it. I could see it work for us for use with data collection for our DDs, which are internet/web based. But for me I would think if there was an integrated barcode to key entry feature that would do it.

    Looking at the iPad/iPod/iPhone the barcode apps are more for amazon, not so you can use it as an entry alternative in another app. So without that they don't have much value here.

    If there is a need for that then you can do this:

    http://www.tuaw.com/2010/06/01/hacksugar-cuecat-barcode-scanner-on-the-ipad/

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  25. tablet computers... by crhylove · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Are NEVER going to take off until they are really useful for something and less than $200. Otherwise, of course we all buy netbooks. They're extremely useful, and you can get a great one for about $200.

    Tablets are WAY over priced right now. There is NO killer app worth $1000, and that's what they end up costing after 6 months on contract.

    Any business owner anywhere will tell you that cutting costs is important to them, and this is a cost they can cut before it even comes up!

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    1. Re:tablet computers... by ToasterMonkey · · Score: 1

      Are NEVER going to take off until they are really useful for something and less than $200. Otherwise, of course we all buy netbooks. They're extremely useful, and you can get a great one for about $200.

      Tablets are WAY over priced right now. There is NO killer app worth $1000, and that's what they end up costing after 6 months on contract.

      Any business owner anywhere will tell you that cutting costs is important to them, and this is a cost they can cut before it even comes up!

      Dude,
      Corporate smartphone with data service vs. iPad & comped cell bill
      Bonus round
      Which one can double as a thin client?

      Durr?

    2. Re:tablet computers... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tablets are WAY over priced right now. There is NO killer app worth $1000, and that's what they end up costing after 6 months on contract.

      Contract? Your anti-iPhone argument spilled and got on your anti-iPad argument. And you still don't understand that a tablet and touchscreen interface is different than a keyboard-based interface.

  26. Re:A business tablet? Add barcode input by sunderland56 · · Score: 1

    Maybe 5% of business could use a barcode input. A much larger percentage - probably over 90% - needs some form of text input, but handwriting on a tablet isn't fast enough. Those on-screen keyboards are impossible to use accurately for any significant data input. How about they add a real keyboard to the tablet instead??

  27. Apple? Enterprise? by Chas · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Pffft! I didn't know it was comedy hour.

    Apple has one real niche. Multimedia production.

    Beyond that, attempting to shoehorn Apple into a "enterprise" solution is not using the product as Apple intended.

    PERIOD. I don't care if they're selling you "enterprise support" or not. Apple doesn't do that. They don't even fake doing it well. Their enterprise solution is "buy this and try it, buy that and try it, buy this other thing and try it, if none of them work, sorry, we don't do enterprise support".

    Call me when the discussion has left the reality distortion field.

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  28. Morons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because the vast majority of IT leaders are morons who are more concerned with how their decisions match what they read in CTO magazine than deploying a tool that might actually reinvent the way people work in a positive manner.

  29. Re:A business tablet? Add barcode input by JoeCommodore · · Score: 1

    Adding a wired scanner lessens the portability. I was thinking like the ipod/iphone with the camera doing scanning, use that as a barcode scanner. No extra devices, you can visually see what is scanned (with the right UI) etc. No extra fumbling.

    The other post suggestion of an integrated keyboard would be another bonus too.

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  30. The simplest explanation... by jimfrost · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ...is that they wre horribly overpriced. I wanted a Windows tablet when they first came out, right up until I found em priced at $2000 and up. What the hell? You could get two nice laptops for that.

    Even today they run about twice what they should. Apple waltzes in with a tablet half the cost of a Windows tablet, and it actually works well with its touch interface ... It is not at all hard to see why people liked it.

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    1. Re:The simplest explanation... by MemoryDragon · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I once had a Windows tablet. The problem really was, the form factor itself would have worked, but...
      It was a pain in the arse to use thanks to Windows, it was heavy, it had fans, in other words, it went from a useful want to have it idea straight to ebay... The only thing this thing was good at was crayon physics, not even reading was decent (which I bought it for) due to its 16:9 form factor. I was so glad Apple went to a letterbox/a4 like form factor for the ipad because it makes reading more decent. This is one thing all the Asian ipad wannabees dont get right, the form factor is always 16:9 or 16:10 might be good for movies but for 99% of the rest of the applications which are more book like it is absolutely dreadful especially since they do even opt for less vertical resolution.

  31. Two words by countertrolling · · Score: 1

    Too fragile... not durable...

    okay four.. four words

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  32. Re:Apple? Enterprise? by symbolset · · Score: 1

    Their enterprise solution is "buy this and try it, buy that and try it, buy this other thing and try it, if none of them work, sorry, we don't do enterprise support".

    Erm... this is different from the Windows OS ecosystem in what way? How many different antivirus vendors are there for Windows? How many anti-malware, anti-spam, special-purpose firewall, intrusion detection appliance and on and on and on...

    Compare and contrast that with OS-X, Linux and Android antivirus apps. For the most part these commercial offerrings aren't about securing your Mac, Linux, Android PC or server. They're about detecting and eliminating pass-thru attacks on the poor vulnerable Windows clients you might share information with.

    If the Windows world is the homeland of security, why is securing it more than a $20B/yr industry? And why does it fail so hard at security even with all that, with malware infections detected outnumbering systems checked? This crud has gotten so bad they're embedding Windows Malware service application stacks in freaking network switch modules now. That is not what a network switch is for.

    Every complex platform solution has vulnerabilities. But the Windows ecosystem is the only one where malware variants outnumber the population of Belize, where individual botnets take out whole countries with DDOS attacks, where malware is so disruptive it can prevent the peaceful development of nuclear energy. Ok, that last one was a bit of a troll.

    In case you haven't noticed, enterprise client-server applications are moving to web apps. This transition should have happened a decade ago, but the Microsoft shops all had to fall into the IE/.NET/MS Java traps and then chew their leg off to escape before we all got with the "industry standard" plan. Now that we're all finally down with the W3C things will move right along.

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  33. Why iPads and other mobile devices will succeed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    My fortune 500 company has suddenly discovered that its employee's will provide their own hardware if we can get access to our Notes mail and the shared drive. They provide a software solution for the log-on security and charge your department a nominal monthly cost. They get happier and (more) productive employee's with no hardware costs. They are allowing iPads, iphones and blackberries so far, probably expand the list later. They even have a slide show for managers explaining the point that they get many people working with these devices with very little cost (which is covered by the dept charge)

    When I go to meetings with many in attendance (we have lots of meetings) everyone brings their laptop so they can do one of two things; check / respond to their email while someone else is presenting information or, presenting information (usually ppt slides). I know this is a sad commentary about the meetings. So now the iPad / iPhone can do these things and we would not run out of battery power. So instead of hauling around my laptop backpack (needed so I can carry the charger and laptop around all day) I could carry the iPad. It is good enough to read email and quickly reply - the business task I might need to do. I can show my presentation. Then I go back to my office and create new content on the desktop/laptop on my desk.

    Given the historical stodginess of the IT philosophy of the past this is a dramatic change. I hear it has been driven from the top down, VPs requiring their underlings to have iPads (they were typically using nothing - not even laptops). Well if the VP needs something it is amazing what might be allowed for the rest of us.

  34. I've been saying this... by The+Hatchet · · Score: 1

    for quite some time. There are 2 problems with the tablet industry:

    1. Too expensive (Apple)

    2. Apple.

    First of all, tablets are ridiculously useful and don't need a lot of processing power, all they have to do is run basic browsers, and have the freedom to run millions of proprietary apps. If tablets scaled down power for price, you would see them everywhere. Imagine how useful they would be for viewing details of things everywhere, from car garages reading the cars info and stock room info, to hospitals replacing clipboards with tablets, to anything you can imagine. For 100, or even 200 bucks and equipped with an easy to use API and extensive customization abilities, USB drive, SD card slot and integrated wi-fi, they are all of a sudden useful in millions of business situations. But as long as Apple essentially has the ability to spy on tablets, and restrict your actions on them, they won't be worth jack shit. If we followed this formula instead, tablets could make the future happen today.

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    1. Re:I've been saying this... by grumbel · · Score: 1

      1. Too expensive (Apple)

      Thats not really Apples fault, quite the opposite actually. Apple where the ones who put the iPad at an affordable $500 while you average Windows based tablet, who have been around for ages, always have been hanging around the $1000-$2000 mark, out of reach for any consumer.

      Sure it would be nicer if tablets would be even more cheap and that will certainly happen, especially with the Kindle already at $140, but that will take a while.

    2. Re:I've been saying this... by MemoryDragon · · Score: 1

      Problem here is less the price apple charges. The problem here is the components cost. The funny stuff is originally the slate price was more or less targetted around 1000 dollars this was a common consensous between the manufacturers. Then apple came with 500$ and really high quality parts. Face it the quality of the ipad is very high and now everyone has been working fevereshly to scale down, and what now is released is manufacturing junk, like the Folio 100 with cheap displays etc...
      Apple was quite a pricebreaker here, but as usual in Apples fashion I expect the pad to go up with the price seriously for every release until people stop buying, happened with everything apple so far.

    3. Re:I've been saying this... by The+Hatchet · · Score: 1

      Thats because windows tablets have been full computers aimed at different markets that don't make sense. The iPad is a glorified phone with no meaningful features that doesn't call people, but still costs 500 bucks. Thats twice as much as a netbook with half the power. The average windows tablets I have seen have the power of a computer.

      Either way, until Apple lets proprietary developers make programs and NEVER run them through apple, and have no connection to apple at all, Apple is being too restrictive for them to be of any use where they would be most handy.

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    4. Re:I've been saying this... by The+Hatchet · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The apple is really just a gloriphied iPhone that doesn't call people and is slightly larger though, it doesn't do anything that would make it useful in the proprietary tablet market (anything in any industry I hinted at above), as long as apple has their penis connected to the device, and prohibits 3rd party software from being installed without going through the appstore and such bullshit makes it so useless.

      Sure there are games and a few useful applications, but the essence of a useful tablet is not the desktop tools, but the ability to have a quick interface for doing things on the go related to stuff in those areas where you don't want to sit down to use a laptop or computer. Like in car garages, warehouses, hospitals, they provide infinite usability with no standard word processing or anything. But not with an apple hookup. The stupid iPad doesn't even have USB drives!

      My point is the iPad is trying to be a laptop and a PDA and not a tablet. The old tablets were expensive because the parts were a lot and I really don't see what the point in them at all is. But considering what the iPad is, it is overpriced. It has a proprietary OS that only lets you use things from their app store, and no app or series of apps is going to be worth 500 bucks.

      Really, all they need is as much power as an old PDA (like my Palm T/X) with a bigger screen, and some easy to use APIs, for cheap. My Palm TX cost 300 dollars, is over 6 years old, and I wrote dozens of programs for it to do all kinds of useful things, including a graphing calculator and much more. We should be able to put the same power into something with a screen twice as big for the same price by now at least.

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    5. Re:I've been saying this... by MemoryDragon · · Score: 1

      Actually Apple sells corporate licenses, which allows corporations to install their own software corporate wide. Ok costs a little bit but given the usual corporate software expenses it is neglectable.
      But I wont see the ipad going anywhere in the long run in corporations, rather Android will make it in the long run, if finally a decent tablet Android OS comes out.

    6. Re:I've been saying this... by Richy_T · · Score: 1

      The iphone is really where palm should have taken the T/X. Unfortunately, they went all Treo and Windows. I was still using the T/X fairly regularly up until I got an Android device recently (and I've still used it a couple of times since)

    7. Re:I've been saying this... by The+Hatchet · · Score: 1

      Apple still has the ability to get onto the device and applications still have to pass through them at some point. There is no privacy, no protection of information. Android OS will make much better tablets, even win7 would.

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    8. Re:I've been saying this... by The+Hatchet · · Score: 1

      I'll probably start using mine again when I figure out what I did with the power coord, and get a C compiler installed on it. So I can practice programing in my down time on the go. Their OS is very open and friendly, somewhat like I imagine Android would be if I was rich enough to afford a new device (stupid college).

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  35. We all? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Several million people have bought iPads. I haven't-- I don't have a use for one. Several million people beg to differ, however, and their needs are just as valid.

    Obviously, a netbook will serve some needs better than a tablet. But a laptop will serve some needs better than a netbook. Calm down; you are not the market. Your needs are different. It's not worth $500 bucks to you. You will survive.

    1. Re:We all? by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 1

      I know two people with Ipads. In neither case does "need" have anything to do with it. For that matter, most of the Ipad users who post on Slashdot express that they bought and use the Ipad for reasons other than need.

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    2. Re:We all? by Cheech+Wizard · · Score: 1

      Which of course depends upon the definition of what a "need" is. No one 'needs' a TV but most people have at least one. Everyone buys things they do not 'need'.

  36. What a revoIutionary idea! by hoskeri · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So you are saying allowing people to use computers as computers makes them more useful?

    Who wudda thunk it?

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  37. I totally how tablets did not take off by drolli · · Score: 1

    i see tablet-like devices every day:

    -inventory in stores
    -sign for receiving a packet
    -ordering food (i live in japan)
    -return a rented car

    So i guess tablets are used where they are practical: a varying limited number of choices where a comparatatively slow input is acceptable

    They are not used in places where you neet to type text. And as long as the phase of non-em digitizers dominates the market handwriting recognition will not take over-even then i am sceptical.

  38. But people DO walk from meeting to meeting with a by crovira · · Score: 1

    LAPTOP

    And when they get to the next room, they plug the laptop into an ethernet connection.

    I have seen this at lots of corporations.

    They don't use tablets because they don't need them.

    They figured work arounds years ago and they're using that.

    A laptop may not be the ideal but its works, so fugggedaboudit bub!

    A laptop has more business cachet.

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  39. want freedom in user experience? use Linux by anechoic · · Score: 1

    'However, there exists another key to Apple's success: its products are built around giving people freedom in the user experience. Apple lets you figure out how best to make use of their handhelds. The App Store is a beautiful demonstration of this--it's all about choosing what you want to do with your iPhone or iPad, and not being badgered into using them in a particular way.'

    this guy is either drinking too much of the Apple flavored Kool-Aid, has some sort of favored tech journalist status with Apple, or completely clueless. A hermetically sealed walled garden community of Apple blessed apps running on hardware that is also hermetically sealed?

    I'll take a Samsung Galaxy running Android 2.2 any day over an iPad running a watered down version of OS X

  40. Yup ... it sucks getting old... by crovira · · Score: 1

    This Old Man by McFrontalot

    Keep getting older and hairier
    on my neck, back and derriere,
    but not atop the pate.
    Dear DNA, let's negotiate!

    I'll trade the fading vision, you could have that back,
    plus this 30-year-old-man belly's kinda wack.
    My hearing is nearing deafness and I wheeze.
    Yo, please save me from the wrist hurt disease!
    It's infeasible that these, a full list of ailments,
    should do anything but accrue. I'll fail ten
    times out of ten to age in reverse like Mork.
    Is there anything sadder than a dork
    for whom the new hotness is not just inaccessible,
    it's grumbled against? You kids, reduce your decibels!
    Don't make me come over there and shake my cane.
    (It's that rapper from the AARP and he's insane!)

    This old man, he rhymed once.
    He put up some valiant fronts.
    With a wick-wack bitter lack of youthfulness & charm,
    this old man kept rhyming on.

    Joints creaking while I squeak around the stage,
    hella grandmothers telling me I ought to act my age.
    Deranged already, I don't got no brain medicine.
    If we were running out of food on a boat, I'd get jettisoned
    or eaten. I'm unsweetened.
    Don't tell me that I got the shortest straw; I'm not a cretin,
    just a little senile and gassy and slow.
    But I bet I'm very salty! And I could still row.
    Let's gobble on that infant. Infants are useless
    (also very soft, which is good, 'cause I'm toothless).
    Come on kids, you want to get rescued or what?
    Don't mumble all amongst yourselves. Speak up!
    (I lost my earhorn the other day on the bus.)
    You would think by the way you whippersnappers make a fuss
    that I said something crazy, profound or obscene.
    Wait, where'd the ocean go? Where have you taken me?

    This old man, he rhymed twice.
    He found this would not suffice.
    With a wick-wack bitter lack of youthfulness & vim,
    this old man was dour and grim.

    Now Frontalot's shopping for the top of the hill.
    Should have bought a burial plot soon as I got ill,
    but I foolishly thought that I could put it off;
    now I'm ghoulishly fraught with a [cough cough cough].
    Soft in the head, hard in the disposition:
    how'd I earn this intractable attrition
    of the vigor that I figured would be mine for life?
    Is there no upside? Well, the rhymes are rife!
    Every year I'm alive, add to my vocabulary.
    Going to do it till I'm staring at the ceiling in the mortuary.
    Plus I'm probably wise by now
    and could do all the things old people talk about,
    like: count pills; argue bills at diners;
    get a little tiny funky car and be a Shriner;
    go to the haberdasher so I could look dapper;
    get stroke and forget I'm too old to be a rapper.

    This old man, he rhymed thrice.
    He spoke a thin gruel of lies.
    With a wick-wack bitter lack of youthfulness & spunk,
    this old man's rhymes was bunk.

    This old man, he rhymed lots;
    rhymed till he grew liver spots.
    With a wick-wack bitter lack of youthfulness & cheer,
    why he rhymed remains unclear.

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  41. That's understood by symbolset · · Score: 1

    You aim for the bullseye. That's the goal. Before you let the arrow go you accept that once it's loose it will hit what it hits. Sometimes it misses the target entirely when you're new. Sometimes it hits the blue ring or the red. When you're skilled you can be sure it will hit the yellow dot. But the faint blue plus scribed in the middle of the yellow dot? You can't even see it at 50 yards distance. You may as well expect to split an arrow that hit that spot. That's the Robin Hood level of archery. Legendary to the level of perhaps being impossible.

    The iPad didn't just hit the center of the faint plus at the heart of the yellow spot. It did that and caught fire. It may as well have split an arrow to get there. Steve Jobs described the iPad as "magical" and I have to agree with him. The thing inspires adoration that defies reason. To merely hold it in public is to invite envy and respect. It could be an inert mockup and it could get you laid. I don't lean toward that sort of thing, but I'm still in awe of it. That's a lot of power to put in the hands of mortal men.

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  42. iTunes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My guess for why ipads haven't done well in a business/academic environment is because of iTunes. If Apple designed software for businesses, I think it would do well. I'm thinking things like easy wireless pdf transfer (from ipad to computer and back), ability of PA's to message people's ipads, etc.

  43. PRICE! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why nobody mentioned price? If there was a windows tablet priced at $600, I would have bought one 10 years ago. But they were all priced higher than a laptop. Much higher initially. And I just had to ask myself. Why not buy a laptop instead?

  44. Ever consider there's a reason for that? by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 1

    The keyboard in particular but the mouse as well are well suited as content creation devices. For text/numeric input, which is a major part of business work, the keyboard is tops. iDevices are not well suited for content creation. Yes, yes, I'm aware of various apps out there for it, it is token and nothing compared to a normal computer. Scott Adams noted this that he consumes a lot on his iPhone but rarely creates, as opposed to his old Blackberry. They are just well designed for consumption, not so much for production. It isn't impossible, but it isn't what they are good at.

    I've seen the same thing at work. We've got a few professors that bought iPads as toys, but they don't get used for any serious work because they aren't good at it. they piddle around on their iPads and surf the web or the like, but when they have to write a paper or an e-mail more than a few sentences a computer is what gets used. Their interface is just better for getting the job done.

    So I think this is the way things will go. Tablets may well start to do real well in consumer space, but they aren't going to make a big impact in business. They'll remain toys largely, since they just aren't useful for creation which is what you are doing at work. People may use them for work purposes, but they'll be incidental, a case where a laptop would do as well or better.

    1. Re:Ever consider there's a reason for that? by peragrin · · Score: 1

      Very True, but many things in life you don't need content creation of more than a couple sentences. I have at work three journals full of nothing but names, phone numbers, and items that they want but I have to find for them. to anyone else it is a jumbled mess to me it is the last years worth of customer special requests. They often don't fill up five lines of a page.

      Most of the outside salesmen in business i know are switching to ipads. because 99% of their work isn't content creation but short notes to do later. the ability to show a new product from the web helps too, but most of it is because they can type out a quick note of

      "Find bob @ mack enterprises, pricing on part number abc1234, abc3456 and abc6789"

      why do you need a full keyboard for that? and that is what salesmen and marketing needs. So I would say that is a very strong business case. The fact you don't understand that part means you really don't understand how businesses actually work. I suggest you try to do someone else's job and learn more before mouthing off.

        Keyboards will never truly go away. they are much to fast and work well for their purpose. however image manipulation, movie manipulation, music manipulation are tasks not well suited to the standard keyboard, or mouse. you can type the lyrics for a song but type the notes is far more difficult.

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    2. Re:Ever consider there's a reason for that? by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Congratulations, you have found one area of business where the iPad might be useful. Shame it doesn't have a pen interface though, I'd have thought that was ideal for quick notes of a couple of lines myself.

      --
      To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
  45. Re:A business tablet? Add barcode input by RocketRabbit · · Score: 1

    The iPad has Bluetooth you know. Feel free to add a keyboard yourself, if you are one of the people who needs one.

  46. Re: Finger paints, Etch-a-sketch by koyote-eliot · · Score: 1

    Yes, you're right. Etch-a-sketches and finger paints are creative media.

    I apologize. I shouldn't have compared them to the iPad.

    Slashdot isn't known for covering how artists use technology. David Hockney is a blue chip artist that has been working with the iPad and the iPhone to make work that gets serious press. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-11666162

    I work in media arts too. The iPad is sprouting like kudzu in creative work.

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    A point in every direction is the same as no point at all. -- Harry Nilsson
  47. One simple reason: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nobody has made a device with an 8.5x11 display.

  48. Re:does not compute MOD PARENT UP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What's the real reason apple sells? Stupid people have loads of money and like shiny shit.

  49. Not now, Not ever. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wouldn't be able to stand a computer that didn't have a keyboard. that's why I have never purchased a tablet. I find it odd that a user interface that requires you to control it with your fingers is somehow regarded as 'progress'. Do tablet users also dispense with the use of knives and forks for eating, I wonder?

  50. The "cool" effect by Corson · · Score: 1

    They keep trying to find technical, engineering, functional reasons for why Apple is successful. Why can't they understand that people buy Apple hardware for its design, to impress their friends, because it looks different and it's "cool" and very user-friendly?

  51. The iPad isn't ready for prime time by WarPresident · · Score: 1

    At least the iPad isn't ready for real business purposes or even college student uses at my university. Our CMS and helpdesk system uses Silverlight (not available on the iPad) so that's the entire IT department out. Our LMS uses Java and Flash (not available on the iPad) for content delivery, so that's the Instructors, Staff and Students out. Same for the HRIS and SIS which uses some hairy Javascript code. I suppose if we were to flush millions down the toilet, we could use the iPad's straight-jacketed functionality. Not. Gonna. Happen.

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    Here come da fudge!
    1. Re:The iPad isn't ready for prime time by aristotle-dude · · Score: 1

      At least the iPad isn't ready for real business purposes or even college student uses at my university. Our CMS and helpdesk system uses Silverlight (not available on the iPad) so that's the entire IT department out. Our LMS uses Java and Flash (not available on the iPad) for content delivery, so that's the Instructors, Staff and Students out. Same for the HRIS and SIS which uses some hairy Javascript code. I suppose if we were to flush millions down the toilet, we could use the iPad's straight-jacketed functionality. Not. Gonna. Happen.

      Why would you make such bone headed decisions to use Silverlight for something that works perfectly well as HTML? CMS and helpdesk? Really? How "rich" does a helpdesk or CMS application have to be? Java and flash for content delivery? What is this? 1995?

      It sounds like your IT department does not know what they are doing and are not paying attention to the trends in the industry which is towards HTML/Javascript and web services to allow you to create your own UI on the platform of your choice while leveraging a "web service".

      Planning your system around "just out of beta" technologies like Silverlight and Java client code does not seem very smart to me.

      Don't get me wrong, I think .NET and Java are both great languages for creating server processes and publishing interactive HTML content or industry standard "web services" but using Java clients in this day in age is absurd and Silverlight is even more absurd.

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  52. Security by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The main reason they haven't taken off in the enterprise is they cannot be secured. Enterprise companies want to make sure that data loss is not going on with these devices. There are very few companies that have software for the apple platform in respect to security.

  53. Re:A business tablet? Add barcode input by aristotle-dude · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Joe, the majority of users do not need or want an integrated keyboard adding additional bulk. Those who want a keyboard can get a case which let's you use the Apple Bluetooth keyboard but then it is no longer a tablet form factor and you might as well use a laptop instead.

    I sometimes put the Apple wireless keyboard in my messenger bag along with the iPad in an apple iPad case so that I can prop the ipad up and type more text with the keyboard for longer emails but the onscreen keyboard is fine most of the time.

    There are blutooth scanners and these scanners are far more accurate and reliable than a camera. With a blutooth scanner, no changes in the software are required. The scanner will work with any software, even web UIs providing an alternative to keyboard input. You also can then continue to hold your tablet like a clipboard cradled in one arm while scanning items with the other hand. You can then hit a "submit button with your finger if needed between items.

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    Jesus was a compassionate social conservative who called individuals to sin no more.
  54. Why? by amightywind · · Score: 1

    Having worked in corporate America for 20 years it is not surprising that a superb innovation like the iPad hasn't caught on. Most companies are aggressively stupid. For every worker who wants a iPad there are 2 luddite IT Windoze monkeys throwing up their tired security arguments.

    --
    an ill wind that blows no good
  55. It's penetrating business more than you think by grapeape · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm in the middle of converting a law firm from laptop's with docking stations to desktops and ipads. The whole process started when the senior partner with a gadget fetish picked up an ipad at launch. My job was to wrestle with what he wanted to do vs what it was capable of and find ways to make it work. The issue before had been that a lawyer would have to carry their laptop, charger, bag and usually some sort of 3g card or pray for wifi access, this is in addition to a briefcase with all the needed papers (legal is still one area where paperless is impossible) for the case. My job was to find out how to do all of the same stuff they normally do with just the ipad and a keyboard. I warned them that I didn't think it was possible, but managed to prove myself wrong.

    It took 4 apps to get them up and running, iAnnotate for pdf editing, documents to go for normal word and excel stuff, iDictate for DSS compatible dictation and iTeleport for remote access if they really need to connect to their profile back in the office. The rest of the functionality is out of the box. Now they can send, receive, edit and review any documents or media related to the case directly without having to hassle with all the gear, security settings, etc. It may not be for everyone, but for some jobs its been a blessing.

    Incidentally, he tried this about 5 years ago with an HP TX1100, thought the functionality was there (they were slates that ran XP) the lack of a touch or pen oriented interface made it clumsy at best, it had all the bells and whistles, it was upgradeable, had usb, memory card readers, etc...but due to its identity crisis it just wasn't comfortably useable as a tablet or as a notebook.

    1. Re:It's penetrating business more than you think by Corson · · Score: 1

      business "penetration" should be about more than just the boss liking it.

  56. Re: Finger paints, Etch-a-sketch by Mysteray · · Score: 1

    Those are very pretty flowers.

    "You know sometimes I get so carried away, I wipe my fingers at the end thinking that I've got paint on them."

    That pretty much proves my point, being, the iPad is a better finger paint simulator than it is something for people like me who create with Turing-complete media.

  57. Classic PCWorld Journalism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Quote from article:
    "At no point are we shown [in an iPad commercial] an individual in a business suit tapping away at a tablet in the business class lounge of an airport. I HAVEN'T CHECKED BUT I GUARANTEE THAT, if you look at the marketing materials for every other tablet device, there will be at least one photo of a smart business-suited person using the device."

    Everything in the Apple iPad ads are words, hands, and the iPad. In no way does Apple shun business:
    1. cinematic, elementary, academic, full-size, PRESENTING, bought, SOLD, fantasy, electric
    2. MEDICAL, live, musical, WORK, play, memories, social, MAGAZINES, historic
    3. delicious, learning, playful, LITERARY, artful, friendly, PRODUCTIVE, scientific, magical

  58. cost less, weigh less, do more by jsepeta · · Score: 1

    that's all we're asking as consumers of digital technology. it doesn't have to be the best, it just needs to work well enough.

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    Remember kids, if you're not paying for the service, YOU ARE THE PRODUCT THAT IS BEING SOLD.
  59. Game design by MrEricSir · · Score: 1

    "There's a lot to be said for having faith in users to make best use of their computer, without pushing and pulling them in ways you think are best for them."

    The same can be said for good game design; if there's only one way to play the game, it's a lot less interesting than if there's many ways to solve each puzzle.

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    There's no -1 for "I don't get it."
  60. Summary vs article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Summary: Why tablets haven't taken off in business.
    Article: Why tablets haven't been big business before the iPad: Because they were marketed for business, not for consumers.

    The article says the opposite of what the summary says it says. I must be new here.

  61. Re:Apple? Enterprise? by JAlexoi · · Score: 1

    They are in enterprise multimedia production only. But generally speaking they are a consumer company.

  62. Re:A business tablet? Add barcode input by SteeldrivingJon · · Score: 1

    Apple's stores use iPod touches (not sure which) in cases that incorporate a barcode scanner, for ringing up purchases, and a magnetic strip reader, for payments, and a rechargeable battery.

    It is apparently something they designed themselves, a custom job, so it's not on the market.

    A company writing an iPhone app in-house could probably license barcode reading code from a 3rd party, for use in their own apps.

    I don't know if there's a market of enterprise app pieces being distributed as source code or libraries. Might be.

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