if china sells those $1 trillion us govt bonds its holding over one day, it would practically zero the worth of us govt bonds, make us govt unable to cycle its debt by selling bonds, and bankrupt it. also, bottom the dollar in the process.
Let's see, you are in favor of transforming private companies (private property) by force into "in practice, semi-autonomous, self-budgeting, revenue-sharing government branches" as a "transition period" to "reach ultimate goal of socialism" (all quotes from your previous post). Doesn't sound very centrist to me.
i didnt say i was supporting centrist policies. i said i was supporting social democracy since a while ago.
and yeah, that is exactly what i want. since, it worked to perfect result in those countries which practiced that. the life standard and education of average scandinavian would put upper middle class american to shame.
There is no way in the world that the economic policies of USA can be called laissez faire but lets say they are slightly closer to that than economies in many other countries.
it is as pro-business, pro-market as it can be, without allowing a total wild west environment in which businesses rule everything.
Please provide some reference for your claim that capital gets invested until certain point and then stops getting invested. I have never heard any such thing before and it doesn't sound plausible.
you cant provide any references for this, except a few underdog research papers here and there. because it challenges the very core, and the defensive arguments of capitalist economy and the economic dominant mindset. just like how they still use GDP and GNP to determine life standards of citizens of a country, despite there being no assurances that gdp and gnp will distribute to anyone at all. (currently in usa 7% top of country gets 72% of wealth). to understand that, you need to have been educated as a capitalist, and then worked in the sector or, researched the sector for considerable duration of time. but i very much think, that these abominations will eventually come up in agendas.
How is it that the USA had become the engine of worlds innovation in just about any field you can imagine (take computer technology, medicine, biotech etc etc) during the last 20-30 years, far outpacing Europe in new inventions and especially entrepreneurship (just take growth of various computer companies from nothing to multi-billion dollar corporations).
aaaaah. it isnt.
innovation is in eastern asia, and europe. as a few examples, norway just opened world's first osmosis power plant. sweden opened 4th plant that uses woodchips to generate power. the internet connection capabilities and quotas per individual citizen is beyond anywhere else in the world, finland even recognized internet access a basic human right by law. there is innumerable contributors to open source projects ranging from linux to others from scandinavian countries. fastest world trains are in europe, and japan. usa cant even start to experimenting with one of these, even thought there are long standing huge rail companies for centuries.
all that us has been doing in the last 20 years had been patenting anything they found, including things that were invented or innovated by others in other countries. your country, has become a patent troll, and is exactly putting other countries in the position they were against britain when patent system was first set up in britain in 19th century. poisonous.
If you think that the recent financial crisis proves anything take a look at this chart [yahoo.com]It is but a blip that will correct itself in no time.
that is why i told you not to make grand statements about things you dont know about. you dont know what the cause of financial crisis is. therefore you dont know that it will never fix itself. its a technical matter.
wall street was deregulated, and they created investment tools indexed over mortgages. then, they proceeded to trade these tools over 60 times their value. then, they went to government, and said that they had 61x wealth. despite, they had at most 2x we
Wow, so we are dealing with a real old school firebrand socialist here. How cute, I thought you guys went extinct back in the 80s.
hahahahahaha. save your zeal. you cant cope up with me. im actually not socialist, or social democrat. im actually center view, and have been raised and educated and have been a capitalist a loooong time.
i am supporting social democracy since a while and towards eternity, because despite all the machinations and attempts of the capitalist machine in various countries of the world, they succeeded in delivering what the capitalist ones couldnt deliver to their own people, even at their peak of exploitation of natural resources of other countries en large. it doubles up the success of those countries. if social democracy worked in northern europe, it can work everywhere.
Your fantasy has only one problem, it does not correspond in any way to reality. Corporate taxes in those countries are not very high, in fact they are lower than in the USA:
did you check the income taxes of individuals ? do so.
The problem with heavy taxes on corporate profits is that pretty soon there will be no more profits to raid, no more investment in new business, no more innovation. Where do you think corporate profits go exactly? To pay for shareholders yachts? Tiny portion perhaps, but vast majority gets reinvested. You know, the "capital" in capitalism.
if the situation in united states of america, which has been an ayn rand laissez faire capitalist with a greenspan tint for the last 30 years shows anything, you are wrong.
capital does not get invested. capital seeks to gain even more money even less effortlessly, and this has been the reason for the financial sector to become overblown, and then plop. that is, of course, totally leaving out the global scam that wall street has pulled off. i wont comment on that, and what 'deregulation' does to society, leave aside business. but, i will set the logic straight with that outdated, 19th century delusion of investment by capital :
backin in 19th century and earlier, when communication and collaboration tools available to society was low, the volume and value and complexity of the goods and services provided were low, coordination was harder, it was necessary and natural to have a capitalist system. because, financial power concentrated in centralized hands of the invidiuals would allow better coordination of investment. the capital wasnt so big, and the will and need to reinvest and make even more wealth was there.
fast forward to 20th century. there are already 12 corporations that are in the list of top 20 economic entities of the world, outclassing more than 180 countries. corporations have become as big as countries, employing millions of people globally.
and with all things in life, inefficiencies started. you may want to invest when you have X amount of wealth, you may still want more wealth when you have Y amount of wealth, but, after a point, when you have Z amount of wealth and more, investing it becomes inefficient. you already have garnered huge amounts of wealth that can be used to acquire other economic entities. from this point on, either acquisitions of other economic entities by financial muscle begins, or, the lust for making easy gains by increasingly investing and inflating the value of finance sector begins.
therefore, investments get stalled as the wealth gets bigger and bigger.
managing becomes inefficient too. a corporation that is as large as a country, is basically a country. because of the size, and difficulties in managing it, the corporation increasingly invests less, and tries to improve its existing investments through any means possible. which ends up in a lot of damaging effects to society, and business.
therefore, it has gone out of hand since mid 20th century - investment of capital is a delusion, and in the past. the capital has already inve
the reply below replied to you actually, in proper manner. for clearing your confusion about stuff you dont know enough about yet, you should refer to the other reply to your above post, and read on social democracy. i wont lecture you on term meaning of socialism and how broad its implications and subsets are. however i will do this :
the situation in the aforementioned social democrat (socialism is their greater set) countries with regulations and taxes are so that, companies are taxed heavily of their profits, and channelized to whatever is needed by society and their success by the regulations, which causes them to become, in practice, semi-autonomous, self-budgeting, revenue-sharing government branches. it is an intended, planned effect.
social democracy, was precisely something that was devised to reach ultimate goal of socialism, through this mild method, giving both the society an adaptation and transition period. so far, it has been wildly successful.
Social democracy is a political ideology of the centre-left on the classic political spectrum. It is by tradition a form of evolutionary reformist socialism.[1] The Frankfurt Declaration of the Socialist International, attended by many social democratic parties from across the world, committed the adherents to the replacement of capitalism with socialism and committed adherents to oppose Bolshevik communism.[2]
Social democracy supports gradualism, in the belief that a gradual process of reforming existing capitalist economies in a democratic manner will succeed in creating socialism.[3] It rejects revolutionary forcible imposition of socialism.[3] Its gradualism has resulted in communists and the far left accusing social democracy of not being true socialism and accuse it of accepting the values of capitalist society.[3] Social democracy promotes the creation of economic democracy as a means to secure workers' rights.[1] Social democracy rejects the Marxian principle of dictatorship of the proletariat, claiming that gradualist democratic reforms will improve the rights of the working class.[4]
some european countries you speak of, are SOCIAL DEMOCRAT, which is a subset of SOCIALISM. in which, the government closely follows and regulates any activity in the country, and ensures minimum standards in all respects. also, they tax the upper part of the society, to fund and keep the lower rung of the society in good order. it is not 'variety of the elements of welfare state', its a SUBSET OF SOCIALISM.
and, no, they are not failing in any respect. everything was going dandy, until the fucked up ayn randists in america, wall street, SCAMMED entire world by peddling poisonous investement tools, and breaking the world economy for decades to come. the global crisis affected each and every single individual bar the tribes in amazon, it was impossible for any country that does business with the outside world to escape it.
oooooooooook. then lets kill capitalism too. for, nazi party was actually supported by a certain circle of industrialists, and has maintained a capitalist system instead of fully mobilizing the nation up until the bitter end, still doing bids and awarding contracts to private contractors for design and manufacture of the fighting vehicles.
yea. a single fucking dictionary entry, encompasses the entire spectrum of a political ideology. alright. after all, if we look at the definition of human, it will come out that we are just 'monkeys with advanced advanced tool usage'. since we are homo sapiens sapiens. that makes us, well, just the same.
what you linked are not socialist 'planning' they are COMMUNIST plans. idiot. first, learn the terms first. dont come up with average american ignorance on concepts.
let me give you some countries which had predominantly socialist governments in the last 60 years of their existence :
no. it was as the parent to your post described. it has no relevance to monopolies and whatnot. if there wasnt a local monopoly in your area and 2 isps, then the 2 different isps that were leasing their lines to end users were going to enforce THEIR caps. two caps instead of one. and as for 'there would be competition' stupidity, i want to remind you that despite almost all american companies have been producing their products in china for dimes for over 2 decades, there havent been any drops in prices. where is the competition ? nowhere. because it is a fairy tale.
the other people replied to you quite well. its the general atmosphere and flow of the story, correct representation of the characters that makes a movie. not a few glitches here and there. tom bombadil, was actually in the books, and far more stupid.
im no zealot of anyone or anything about the movies, however, jackson did a good job with the trilogy. if so, i would consider it stupid to not use the guy who was tested and succeeded.
maybe i should not watch that, not taking the risk. 'tolkien estate' has valued their immediate profits over the importance and value of the lotr saga after all. it would send a good message.
i mean, really, as someone said about wall street, 'how many yachts you can water ski behind'.
They gave us all the love after all. Mothballing and destroying usable technology prototypes because they * could * undermine private car companies, alan greenspan and his 'hands off business' ideology that he himself admitted that was plainly wrong, testifying in front of senate committee in regard to wall street catastrophe just a year ago, corporate rape, outsourcing, everything we have come to love.
you gotta thank the man. pray a little prayer for him, before you go to bed tonight. make sure he rests 'well' in the afterlife.
what happened to it. and why arent you putting it into the game. are you aware how important it was for sc 1, EVEN after internet and battle net came about ? there are vast numbers of people who played the game on lan for a long time, and then moved to battle net, despite battle net being around for a long time.
Slashdot Mirror
'problems' ?
if china sells those $1 trillion us govt bonds its holding over one day, it would practically zero the worth of us govt bonds, make us govt unable to cycle its debt by selling bonds, and bankrupt it. also, bottom the dollar in the process.
usa IS china.
170 million in russia, many more in satellite 'republics' and 'commonwealth' members. also, its about also being a superpower. not only population.
china. india. russia.
the last of those countries wouldnt hesitate to kill an entire plane full of holywood executives and artists in a freak plane crash.
that will constitute approx half of world population.
versus, hollywood.
who do you think will win ?
if this is ANYthing that is parallel to google design philosophy up to date, it will be a success due to its simplicity and ease of use.
its failing now ? please prove citations to that end.
EVERYONE is failing these days, tanks to how wall street poisoned world's financial system.
Let's see, you are in favor of transforming private companies (private property) by force into "in practice, semi-autonomous, self-budgeting, revenue-sharing government branches" as a "transition period" to "reach ultimate goal of socialism" (all quotes from your previous post). Doesn't sound very centrist to me.
i didnt say i was supporting centrist policies. i said i was supporting social democracy since a while ago.
and yeah, that is exactly what i want. since, it worked to perfect result in those countries which practiced that. the life standard and education of average scandinavian would put upper middle class american to shame.
There is no way in the world that the economic policies of USA can be called laissez faire but lets say they are slightly closer to that than economies in many other countries.
it is as pro-business, pro-market as it can be, without allowing a total wild west environment in which businesses rule everything.
Please provide some reference for your claim that capital gets invested until certain point and then stops getting invested. I have never heard any such thing before and it doesn't sound plausible.
you cant provide any references for this, except a few underdog research papers here and there. because it challenges the very core, and the defensive arguments of capitalist economy and the economic dominant mindset. just like how they still use GDP and GNP to determine life standards of citizens of a country, despite there being no assurances that gdp and gnp will distribute to anyone at all. (currently in usa 7% top of country gets 72% of wealth). to understand that, you need to have been educated as a capitalist, and then worked in the sector or, researched the sector for considerable duration of time. but i very much think, that these abominations will eventually come up in agendas.
How is it that the USA had become the engine of worlds innovation in just about any field you can imagine (take computer technology, medicine, biotech etc etc) during the last 20-30 years, far outpacing Europe in new inventions and especially entrepreneurship (just take growth of various computer companies from nothing to multi-billion dollar corporations).
aaaaah. it isnt.
innovation is in eastern asia, and europe. as a few examples, norway just opened world's first osmosis power plant. sweden opened 4th plant that uses woodchips to generate power. the internet connection capabilities and quotas per individual citizen is beyond anywhere else in the world, finland even recognized internet access a basic human right by law. there is innumerable contributors to open source projects ranging from linux to others from scandinavian countries. fastest world trains are in europe, and japan. usa cant even start to experimenting with one of these, even thought there are long standing huge rail companies for centuries.
all that us has been doing in the last 20 years had been patenting anything they found, including things that were invented or innovated by others in other countries. your country, has become a patent troll, and is exactly putting other countries in the position they were against britain when patent system was first set up in britain in 19th century. poisonous.
If you think that the recent financial crisis proves anything take a look at this chart [yahoo.com]It is but a blip that will correct itself in no time.
that is why i told you not to make grand statements about things you dont know about. you dont know what the cause of financial crisis is. therefore you dont know that it will never fix itself. its a technical matter.
wall street was deregulated, and they created investment tools indexed over mortgages. then, they proceeded to trade these tools over 60 times their value. then, they went to government, and said that they had 61x wealth. despite, they had at most 2x we
Wow, so we are dealing with a real old school firebrand socialist here. How cute, I thought you guys went extinct back in the 80s.
hahahahahaha. save your zeal. you cant cope up with me. im actually not socialist, or social democrat. im actually center view, and have been raised and educated and have been a capitalist a loooong time.
i am supporting social democracy since a while and towards eternity, because despite all the machinations and attempts of the capitalist machine in various countries of the world, they succeeded in delivering what the capitalist ones couldnt deliver to their own people, even at their peak of exploitation of natural resources of other countries en large. it doubles up the success of those countries. if social democracy worked in northern europe, it can work everywhere.
Your fantasy has only one problem, it does not correspond in any way to reality. Corporate taxes in those countries are not very high, in fact they are lower than in the USA:
did you check the income taxes of individuals ? do so.
The problem with heavy taxes on corporate profits is that pretty soon there will be no more profits to raid, no more investment in new business, no more innovation. Where do you think corporate profits go exactly? To pay for shareholders yachts? Tiny portion perhaps, but vast majority gets reinvested. You know, the "capital" in capitalism.
if the situation in united states of america, which has been an ayn rand laissez faire capitalist with a greenspan tint for the last 30 years shows anything, you are wrong.
capital does not get invested. capital seeks to gain even more money even less effortlessly, and this has been the reason for the financial sector to become overblown, and then plop. that is, of course, totally leaving out the global scam that wall street has pulled off. i wont comment on that, and what 'deregulation' does to society, leave aside business. but, i will set the logic straight with that outdated, 19th century delusion of investment by capital :
backin in 19th century and earlier, when communication and collaboration tools available to society was low, the volume and value and complexity of the goods and services provided were low, coordination was harder, it was necessary and natural to have a capitalist system. because, financial power concentrated in centralized hands of the invidiuals would allow better coordination of investment. the capital wasnt so big, and the will and need to reinvest and make even more wealth was there.
fast forward to 20th century. there are already 12 corporations that are in the list of top 20 economic entities of the world, outclassing more than 180 countries. corporations have become as big as countries, employing millions of people globally.
and with all things in life, inefficiencies started. you may want to invest when you have X amount of wealth, you may still want more wealth when you have Y amount of wealth, but, after a point, when you have Z amount of wealth and more, investing it becomes inefficient. you already have garnered huge amounts of wealth that can be used to acquire other economic entities. from this point on, either acquisitions of other economic entities by financial muscle begins, or, the lust for making easy gains by increasingly investing and inflating the value of finance sector begins.
therefore, investments get stalled as the wealth gets bigger and bigger.
managing becomes inefficient too. a corporation that is as large as a country, is basically a country. because of the size, and difficulties in managing it, the corporation increasingly invests less, and tries to improve its existing investments through any means possible. which ends up in a lot of damaging effects to society, and business.
therefore, it has gone out of hand since mid 20th century - investment of capital is a delusion, and in the past. the capital has already inve
the situation in the aforementioned social democrat (socialism is their greater set) countries with regulations and taxes are so that, companies are taxed heavily of their profits, and channelized to whatever is needed by society and their success by the regulations, which causes them to become, in practice, semi-autonomous, self-budgeting, revenue-sharing government branches. it is an intended, planned effect.
social democracy, was precisely something that was devised to reach ultimate goal of socialism, through this mild method, giving both the society an adaptation and transition period. so far, it has been wildly successful.
read the below :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_democracy
Social democracy is a political ideology of the centre-left on the classic political spectrum. It is by tradition a form of evolutionary reformist socialism.[1] The Frankfurt Declaration of the Socialist International, attended by many social democratic parties from across the world, committed the adherents to the replacement of capitalism with socialism and committed adherents to oppose Bolshevik communism.[2]
Social democracy supports gradualism, in the belief that a gradual process of reforming existing capitalist economies in a democratic manner will succeed in creating socialism.[3] It rejects revolutionary forcible imposition of socialism.[3] Its gradualism has resulted in communists and the far left accusing social democracy of not being true socialism and accuse it of accepting the values of capitalist society.[3] Social democracy promotes the creation of economic democracy as a means to secure workers' rights.[1] Social democracy rejects the Marxian principle of dictatorship of the proletariat, claiming that gradualist democratic reforms will improve the rights of the working class.[4]
i didnt get the memo.
read the other reply.
so, then, swedish, norwegians, finns, and danish are dying out of famine for the last 60 years ?
or, are they on top of the world :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Development_Index
?
some european countries you speak of, are SOCIAL DEMOCRAT, which is a subset of SOCIALISM. in which, the government closely follows and regulates any activity in the country, and ensures minimum standards in all respects. also, they tax the upper part of the society, to fund and keep the lower rung of the society in good order. it is not 'variety of the elements of welfare state', its a SUBSET OF SOCIALISM.
and, no, they are not failing in any respect. everything was going dandy, until the fucked up ayn randists in america, wall street, SCAMMED entire world by peddling poisonous investement tools, and breaking the world economy for decades to come. the global crisis affected each and every single individual bar the tribes in amazon, it was impossible for any country that does business with the outside world to escape it.
read the human development index i linked above.
i fail to see, the difference in between laissez faire, ayn rand capitalism we have seen in america up to date, and the libertarian approach.
oooooooooook. then lets kill capitalism too. for, nazi party was actually supported by a certain circle of industrialists, and has maintained a capitalist system instead of fully mobilizing the nation up until the bitter end, still doing bids and awarding contracts to private contractors for design and manufacture of the fighting vehicles.
yea. a single fucking dictionary entry, encompasses the entire spectrum of a political ideology. alright. after all, if we look at the definition of human, it will come out that we are just 'monkeys with advanced advanced tool usage'. since we are homo sapiens sapiens. that makes us, well, just the same.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism
what you linked are not socialist 'planning' they are COMMUNIST plans. idiot. first, learn the terms first. dont come up with average american ignorance on concepts.
let me give you some countries which had predominantly socialist governments in the last 60 years of their existence :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweden
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denmark
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finland
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norway
that means, welfare state is bad, and we should just let people die, because those with bigger money paid and bought the resources ?
Its made of love ! It doesnt matter if you die, as long as you get profits. wait - those who get the profits dont generally die. but hey !
....
que agitated, angry downmodding from old soils remnant of reagan era and new free market zealots in 3,2, 1
a nationalistic right wing propaganda piece, which goes on to sue 5000 of its countrymen for watching it.
they should PAY their viewers for watching it. not ask for money.
no. it was as the parent to your post described. it has no relevance to monopolies and whatnot. if there wasnt a local monopoly in your area and 2 isps, then the 2 different isps that were leasing their lines to end users were going to enforce THEIR caps. two caps instead of one. and as for 'there would be competition' stupidity, i want to remind you that despite almost all american companies have been producing their products in china for dimes for over 2 decades, there havent been any drops in prices. where is the competition ? nowhere. because it is a fairy tale.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8JRtGMBUz0
the other people replied to you quite well. its the general atmosphere and flow of the story, correct representation of the characters that makes a movie. not a few glitches here and there. tom bombadil, was actually in the books, and far more stupid.
im no zealot of anyone or anything about the movies, however, jackson did a good job with the trilogy. if so, i would consider it stupid to not use the guy who was tested and succeeded.
maybe i should not watch that, not taking the risk. 'tolkien estate' has valued their immediate profits over the importance and value of the lotr saga after all. it would send a good message.
i mean, really, as someone said about wall street, 'how many yachts you can water ski behind'.
Buy him moddable games and show him a few good mods.
They gave us all the love after all. Mothballing and destroying usable technology prototypes because they * could * undermine private car companies, alan greenspan and his 'hands off business' ideology that he himself admitted that was plainly wrong, testifying in front of senate committee in regard to wall street catastrophe just a year ago, corporate rape, outsourcing, everything we have come to love.
you gotta thank the man. pray a little prayer for him, before you go to bed tonight. make sure he rests 'well' in the afterlife.
what happened to it. and why arent you putting it into the game. are you aware how important it was for sc 1, EVEN after internet and battle net came about ? there are vast numbers of people who played the game on lan for a long time, and then moved to battle net, despite battle net being around for a long time.