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The Hobbit On Hold

Flea of Pain writes "Director Guillermo Del Toro has confirmed upcoming Lord of the Rings prequel The Hobbit has been put on hold indefinitely because the movie has been caught in a 'tangled negotiation' over the future of the MGM movie studio. The film, based on J.R.R. Tolkien's first book in the fantasy series, was reportedly due to begin shooting this summer, but has been mired in delays. Lord of the Rings director Peter Jackson, who will act as producer on the new film, recently dismissed rumors of trouble with the picture, insisting, 'It's not really been delayed, because we've never announced the date.'"

142 comments

  1. Dang by 2names · · Score: 4, Funny

    Now what will I do?

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    1. Re:Dang by BJ_Covert_Action · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Read the book.

    2. Re:Dang by Mindcontrolled · · Score: 1

      I suggest you keep on regulating the funkiness. Where will the world end if you stop with that essential task? Keep it up, brother.

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    3. Re:Dang by 2names · · Score: 5, Funny

      There's a book?

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    4. Re:Dang by Low+Ranked+Craig · · Score: 4, Funny

      Now what will I do?

      Play Duke Nukem Forever

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    5. Re:Dang by DeadDecoy · · Score: 5, Funny

      Ya, I think it's based off the cartoon.

    6. Re:Dang by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 4, Funny

      Now what will I do?

      Play Duke Nukem Forever

      Not necessarily forever, he only has to play Duke Nukem until Hobbit will come into cinemas.

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    7. Re:Dang by nomadic · · Score: 1

      Not an especially good one. And I say that as a Tolkien fan.

    8. Re:Dang by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 4, Funny

      That was loosely based off the broadway show.

    9. Re:Dang by monoi · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Not an especially good one. And I say that as a Tolkien fan.

      If you're about ten (which I think was Tolkein's intended audience) then as I recall it's fantastic compared to the other books offered to you at that age.

    10. Re:Dang by UnknowingFool · · Score: 2, Funny

      There's a book?

      That was my first thought. Now you're gonna tell me there was a sequel. . .

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    11. Re:Dang by el_tedward · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      I like pie.

    12. Re:Dang by nomadic · · Score: 1

      If you're about ten (which I think was Tolkein's intended audience) then as I recall it's fantastic compared to the other books offered to you at that age.

      I didn't like it much as a kid, either, preferring C.S. Lewis and Madeleine L'Engle. The story isn't especially thrilling, and there's a distinct impression that the writer is talking down to you.

    13. Re:Dang by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Read the book.

      But not that one.
      I'd recomend Starship Troopers by Robert A. Heinlein.
      Very nice book.
      I must say, I've never seen this type of comment on Slashdot :D

    14. Re:Dang by Loki_1929 · · Score: 1

      That doesn't make any sense, how could you have a book already when the movie isn't even [i]done[/i] yet?!

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    15. Re:Dang by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      That was based on the Leonard Nimoy song

    16. Re:Dang by TheVelvetFlamebait · · Score: 1

      That's the one inspired by that Uwe Boll film, right?

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    17. Re:Dang by xanadu113 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I hear they made a book out of that movie...

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    18. Re:Dang by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I liked it enough to get the Lord of the Rings, but the story wasn't very thrilling or original.

      The Lord of the Rings was a lot better but the ending is very weak.

      It's like some bad action movie where after the happy ending some left-over enemy kills the hero for the lulz. Only that not even that happened.

      Tolkien desperately needed an editor to cut his bad ideas off and leave him with a superb novel.

      Oh, and fuck you Tom Bombadil.

    19. Re:Dang by davester666 · · Score: 1

      Which was based off a conversation between two drunk homeless guys in an alley...

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    20. Re:Dang by tecnico.hitos · · Score: 1

      It might be the same thing

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    21. Re:Dang by tecnico.hitos · · Score: 1

      The Hobbit is a lighter read than LotR, but it is not bad. Maybe it is intended for a different public.

      I remember having liked it more than LotR, when I read it for the first time.

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    22. Re:Dang by Sulphur · · Score: 1

      Bored of The Rings?

    23. Re:Dang by nabsltd · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I didn't like it much as a kid, either, preferring C.S. Lewis and Madeleine L'Engle. The story isn't especially thrilling, and there's a distinct impression that the writer is talking down to you.

      I never felt that, but it's still better than C.S. Lewis preaching to you.

    24. Re:Dang by kungfugleek · · Score: 1

      "In a hole in the ground there lived a hobo..."

    25. Re:Dang by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      That can only be fully appreciated in the original Klingon.

    26. Re:Dang by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That was loosely based off of the video game.

    27. Re:Dang by ijakings · · Score: 1

      Or until he runs out of gum.

    28. Re:Dang by g4b · · Score: 1

      Have to agree on this. Both authors felt a need to tell about Christianity in their works (which is a strong urge in most Christian authors).

      But even as a full-blown Christian, I never liked Lewis so obviously trying to preach. I find he was not a good story author, I like his philosophical works more. Even if in the movie, Aslan does make you shiver and moves you strongly as a believer, being a portrait of Christ, the whole story about the resurrection is just like "duh!".

      I can especially understand the annoyance in that, if you don't agree with Christianity.

      Tolkien did it better, he just tried to tell you about christian values, about temptation, and a huge story, even if he planned a Christ figure in the Sil, too.
      He definitely comes through as a narrator in his works, but I do like that. He is a funny and sweet person, sometimes a bit harsh however. It's definitely visible, the father speaking to Christopher. If a narrator comes through in a book, and you are too different from him, this basic alienation ruins the book mostly. It's all more about sympathy, it's a risky writing style.

    29. Re:Dang by n4f · · Score: 1

      It's a rabbit and a hobo, but they're making a hobbit.

    30. Re:Dang by DrJimbo · · Score: 1

      Nimoy is the only one *without* pointy ears.

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    31. Re:Dang by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except that the movie was going to have some awesome NEW story line that we've never seen before. Hooray...

  2. The next James Bond as well! by The-Pheon · · Score: 5, Informative

    Bond 23 has also been delayed because of MGM's legal issues. http://www.imdb.com/news/ni2143090/

    I was looking forward to seeing Mr. Craig shoot some guns, drive some fast cars, and flirt with some girls.

    1. Re:The next James Bond as well! by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 1

      I still think Pierce Brosnan did a better job. Which is saying something, since he wasn't the best Bond.

    2. Re:The next James Bond as well! by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      Vladimir Putin or as he seems to be called here Mr.Craig is close to the worst James Bond ever. James Bond is supposed to be cool, smart and this lug looks more like a Neanderthal and acts like one too.

    3. Re:The next James Bond as well! by Thanatos81 · · Score: 1

      Not the best? Only Timothy Dalton was worse then Brosnan. But that's entirely my own gusto. And that's the funny thing: everyone has a different point of view. I assume there might even by some people who would argue that Mr. Brosnan was the best Bond...

    4. Re:The next James Bond as well! by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      My girlfriend likes him, but in her defense, she hasn't seen Connery, Moore, or anyone else for that matter.

    5. Re:The next James Bond as well! by h4rr4r · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There is no debate, the correct answer is Connery was the best Bond. It really is that simple.

    6. Re:The next James Bond as well! by PawnII · · Score: 1

      If you believe the latest gossip on the tabloids he may start flirting with some boys too.

    7. Re:The next James Bond as well! by syousef · · Score: 4, Funny

      I was looking forward to seeing Mr. Craig shoot some guns, drive some fast cars, and flirt with some girls.

      Teaches me not to read the subject line first. For a moment I was wondering what version of the hobbit you were referring to!!!!

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    8. Re:The next James Bond as well! by onkelonkel · · Score: 2, Funny

      All the really cool kids like George Lazenby.

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    9. Re:The next James Bond as well! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Vladimir Putin or as he seems to be called here Mr.Craig is close to the worst James Bond ever. James Bond is supposed to be cool, smart and this lug looks more like a Neanderthal and acts like one too.

      no - james bond became cool and smart as the stories progressed. he was most definately a neanderthal thug at heart in the books and daniel craig does an excellent job of portraying it.

    10. Re:The next James Bond as well! by acid_andy · · Score: 1

      Yes he is the worst. He looks like a builder. He just needs the builder's bum! I hope the Hobbit does get made, but only if it's good. I'm getting sick of great stories being harvested to make a quickly churned out crap film (and don't even get me started on remakes!). The LOTR films were almost perfect I thought though so if it's close to them I can't wait! I don't know how they got the world to appear so similar to how I had imagined it when reading the books.

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    11. Re:The next James Bond as well! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Come on...

      Vesper: "How's the lamb?"
      Bond: "Skewered. One sympathises."

    12. Re:The next James Bond as well! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only if you're simple.

      connery was the worst ever imo.

      When ian flemming met connery he said "i'm looking for commander bond not an overgrown stuntman.

      Roger Moore was a far better actor than connery, and he wasn't that great at all.

    13. Re:The next James Bond as well! by Thanatos81 · · Score: 1

      Well, as stated before: It's her opinion and if she's happy with it she shall be. I just don't share her opinion ;_)

    14. Re:The next James Bond as well! by acid_andy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No, he has style in the books and sophisticated tastes and is cool at least in his state of mind. He's also handsome and has dark hair. Purely in terms of the look I think Brosnan actually came closest and Craig is furthest. Brosnan just had terrible scripts (with the exception of GoldenEye although that's still far from the best)!

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    15. Re:The next James Bond as well! by geekoid · · Score: 4, Funny

      I think it's a false comparison.
      Brosnan was at the last in a newest 'gadget' cycle of the series. Mr. Craig version he IS the weapon.

      The bond series gadgets cycle in there and back again.

      See what I did there?

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    16. Re:The next James Bond as well! by GuruBuckaroo · · Score: 1

      Only Timothy Dalton was worse then Brosnan.

      As you say, your own point of view. I actually thought Timothy Dalton was the closest to matching the Bond from the books. I quite liked him, and thought he wasn't given a fair shake. Too many people wanting Remington Steele as Bond, or a return of Connery or (gah) Moore.

      Nobody really gave him a chance.

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    17. Re:The next James Bond as well! by tool462 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Christopher Tolkien released an amended version of The Hobbit based on his father's notes and drafts.

      Apparently the elder Tolkien did a LOT of speed in his autumn years...

    18. Re:The next James Bond as well! by nomadic · · Score: 1

      The Bond of the books wasn't an especially interesting character.

    19. Re:The next James Bond as well! by sconeu · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The funny thing is, Dalton may have been the worst film Bond, but he was probably truest to Fleming's vision of the character... world weary and burned out.

      The best film Bond, of course, is Sean Connery.

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    20. Re:The next James Bond as well! by LordLimecat · · Score: 1

      I happened to like Brosnan, and thought he was one of the better ones (having seen many of the old ones too)... but that may just be because I saw GoldenEye first as a kid.

    21. Re:The next James Bond as well! by geekoid · · Score: 1

      No he wasn't. I am so sick of that. The crappy accent, The awkward I'm standing her fiddling until your down with your lines body position. gah.

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    22. Re:The next James Bond as well! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      No he wasn't. I am so sick of that. The crappy accent, The awkward I'm standing her fiddling until your down with your lines body position. gah.

      Translation to something comprehensible, please?

    23. Re:The next James Bond as well! by sjbe · · Score: 2, Interesting

      There is no debate, the correct answer is Connery was the best Bond.

      I don't have a favorite Bond actor though I can't say I liked Connery best in the role. He was fine as Bond, sort of defined it I guess, but I think others have done at least as well. I do have a least favorite (Roger Moore) and Connery did not star in my favorite Bond movies (Casino Royale and A View to A Kill) so if I don't like Connery's Bond movies the best it's hard for me to like him best in the role. Moore was generally annoying in the role, a little to smug and "perfect", and though I really liked A View to A Kill, I hated Moonraker and several others he was in. None of the guys who have been in the role have done a terrible job. Sometimes the directing or the script has sucked.

    24. Re:The next James Bond as well! by MakinBacon · · Score: 1

      The same thing happened to the new Stargate Atlantis and Stargate SG-1 TV movies that were in the works.

    25. Re:The next James Bond as well! by laddiebuck · · Score: 1

      I personally prefer Craig, but have you read any of the books? The Bond of the books is Craig to a tee, all the others are rather different.

    26. Re:The next James Bond as well! by silly_sysiphus · · Score: 1

      No, all the cool kids like George Lazenby's -movie-. OHMSS was without question the best representation of the Fleming books--and got one of the best of the original Fleming stories, to boot. Telly Savalas and Diana Rigg held up the acting bit remarkably well despite Lazenby, but he wasn't so great. If only the acting persona of Craig could be put into the looks of Connery into an otherwise-untouched* OHMSS, I'd have my personal Bond movie nirvana. That or take Casino Royale and chop off the Venice bit, and just let Vesper commit suicide like she did in the book. Much neater and cleaner than the movie's flashy ending. With that said, Casino Royale is absolutely the best Bond movie since OHMSS. (Frankly, the truly good 007 movies in my book are Dr No, From Russia With Love, Goldfinger, Thunderball, OHMSS, and Casino Royale...and Goldfinger barely makes the list). Your mileage may vary. *Heaven forbid you ever having to see the horrid ABC TV cut of the movie....ugh.

    27. Re:The next James Bond as well! by silly_sysiphus · · Score: 1

      Dalton is unquestionably the best actor to ever play 007, so this shouldn't really be a surprise. With that said, the presence of Connery in From Russia With Love is unbeatable. A pity that he looked bored and a bit paunchy by the time he got to You Only Live Twice (then again, with that horrid ignoring/butchering of a perfectly good novel, how could you really blame the boredom?)

    28. Re:The next James Bond as well! by silly_sysiphus · · Score: 1

      Oops. That should have been "If only the acting persona of Dalton...." This would have given the truest representation of a Fleming book come to life. While Connery in his prime (FRWL through Thunderball) is far more fun, Dalton really was the best personality match for the original book character.

  3. Re:thank goodness! by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 1

    I remember the book containing a lot more botany.

    Personally, I'm glad Peter Jackson didn't make it all about pipe-weed. The only thing worse than a LoTR Fanboi is one who smokes up every day.

  4. "On Hold" by TopSpin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Given Jackson's track record with LOTR the Hobbit movies are worth a couple billion dollars in revenue. There is absolutely no possibility they won't get made. There have been several fits of "on hold" while the rights were negotiated with the Tolkiens. There will be more "on hold" moments while more parties wrangle for their cut. In the end it will make it to the screen because everyone, absolutely everyone, wants this.

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    1. Re:"On Hold" by turkeydance · · Score: 0

      well, not really.

    2. Re:"On Hold" by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 5, Funny

      well, not really.

      I must say, your well thought out post in conjuction with the reserve you maintained during your rebuttle, has caused me to reconsider my stance on what I believe. The GP almost had me convinced, but you so eloquently countered his every notion, leaving your thoughts superior. Tell me good sir, how do I subscribe to your newsletter?

    3. Re:"On Hold" by syousef · · Score: 1

      In the end it will make it to the screen because everyone, absolutely everyone, wants this.

      Never underestimate the power of human stupidity to derail good work. This very real power eclipses the fictional magic of any ring.

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    4. Re:"On Hold" by wisnoskij · · Score: 1

      I sure hope so, it am really looking forward to it myself.

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    5. Re:"On Hold" by interkin3tic · · Score: 4, Funny

      There is absolutely no possibility they won't get made.

      If it gets delayed until 2012, some would argue there's a very good possibility it won't get made regardless of how profitable it would be. Because that's when Sauron is prophesied to come back, and he has a really good legal team.

    6. Re:"On Hold" by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Copyright expires in 2012. Think about that.

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    7. Re:"On Hold" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      well, not really.

      I must say, your well thought out post in conjuction with the reserve you maintained during your rebuttle, has caused me to reconsider my stance on what I believe. The GP almost had me convinced, but you so eloquently countered his every notion, leaving your thoughts superior. Tell me good sir, how do I subscribe to your newsletter?

      Well, he does have a point. At least in that it would be trivial to prove the last statement of "everyone, absolutely everyone, wants this". Just find one person who does not want this, and the statement is rendered false.

      That is, until we send out the Opinion Correction Officers after them to remedy the situation...

    8. Re:"On Hold" by sconeu · · Score: 1

      Only because the world will end. Otherwise the MAFIAA will get copyright extended way past that.

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    9. Re:"On Hold" by rec9140 · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      " In the end it will make it to the screen because everyone, absolutely everyone, wants this."

      You would be wrong, sir.

      I don't... and I didn't want the first 3 waste of film and DVD's...

      I really don't get the connection to these dreadful books and the [nerd|geek]dom...

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    10. Re:"On Hold" by UnderCoverPenguin · · Score: 1

      When are the earliest Mickey Mouse copyrights currently due to expire? I suspect 5 years before that is when the real push for another extension will begin.

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    11. Re:"On Hold" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Surely you must remember from your flat world history that with the destruction of the one ring, Sauron can no longer influence this world. Perhaps you mean Morgoth?

    12. Re:"On Hold" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean 'rebuttal'

    13. Re:"On Hold" by amiga3D · · Score: 0

      I think having seen all 3 of these films that they are a true representation of the books. They weren't perfect, however, I believe they were as close to it as humanly possible. The fact that you despised them makes me doubt your nerd/geekiness. In fact I wonder why anyone who hated the LOTR films would even deign to visit slashdot.

    14. Re:"On Hold" by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      Yes...who is the current senator from Disney? We need to start keeping an eye on any legislation he proposes.

    15. Re:"On Hold" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, his legal team works for IBM now...

      - T

  5. Way back in the day, at summer camp by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

    We actually performed The Hobbit in a play on stage, a musical no less.. What could a movie possibly add? Besides my list of movies to boycott is already full. I'm afraid I just can't squeeze any more in.

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    1. Re:Way back in the day, at summer camp by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      an audience.

    2. Re:Way back in the day, at summer camp by Ihmhi · · Score: 1

      I'm afraid I just can't squeeze any more in.

      <Connery> Well that'sh what your mother shaid lasht night! </Connery>

    3. Re:Way back in the day, at summer camp by Culture20 · · Score: 1

      I'm afraid I just can't squeeze any more in.

      <Connery> Well that'sh what your mother shaid lasht night! </Connery>

      Was GP quoting you in his sig?

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    4. Re:Way back in the day, at summer camp by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      Laugh it up, monkeyboy... we had to do it again the next evening... SRO

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  6. Re:thank goodness! by h4rr4r · · Score: 0

    But there is little better than partaking and reading LOTR or watching the movies.

  7. Seriously? by SphericalCrusher · · Score: 1

    Enough with putting this movie on hold... they need to sort out their dispute now. I mean, personally, I really want to see this movie... but aside from my interest, this movie will be a blockbuster and it will make a lot of money. They are retarded for letting it be put "on hold"... get over it and make this damn movie.

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    1. Re:Seriously? by arth1 · · Score: 1

      If it was a pure Jackson movie, I would have seen it, and probably bought it too.
      As it is a Toro movie, I won't. His creative use of camera zooms and distorted aspect ratios makes me motion sick, and the ping-pong dialogue is almost as bad as Whedon.

  8. The Road Goes Ever On by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Roads go ever ever on,
    Over rock and under tree,
    But not by a movie studio.

  9. Time is of the essence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    They can't wait too long. Ian McKellen just turned 71.

    1. Re:Time is of the essence by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 1

      Well, 2008 Life Expectancies for the US were 77 to 80 years old, and in the UK its +80. I imagine thats where he spends most of his time. The biggest detraction to life expectancy right now is Obesity, and I don't think Ian McKellen has that problem.

      I think they could put the movie on hold for another 5 years and he'd still be able to do it. Just my personal opinion.

    2. Re:Time is of the essence by Late+Adopter · · Score: 1

      Life expectancy is the average death age of all people born. What you need are some good actuarial tables that tell you the average death age of a person who's managed to reach 71. It'll be higher.

    3. Re:Time is of the essence by icebraining · · Score: 1

      I would think that being alive was not the only requisite for being an actor.

      Of course, Gandalf's role in The Hobbit is much lighter than in LotR.

    4. Re:Time is of the essence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      With best wishes for Sir Ian's longevity, try telling all this to Richard Harris, the first actor to play Albus Dumbledore, who died at 72.

    5. Re:Time is of the essence by TheLink · · Score: 1

      > What you need are some good actuarial tables that tell you the average death age of a person who's managed to reach 71.
      > It'll be higher.

      It's significantly higher if you reach that age and are still reasonably healthy. Not so much higher if most of your organs are in poor condition already...

      I guess Ian McKellen has still a fair number of years left, unless "stuff happens".

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    6. Re:Time is of the essence by TheLink · · Score: 1

      > I would think that being alive was not the only requisite for being an actor.

      Even if he dies it's not a technical problem if you have a big enough budget. Just scan him or reconstruct his likeness from existing images and have an actor play his part using the Avatar movie making tech.

      The problems will be legal ( again :) ) - whether his estate will allow his likeness to be used etc, how much $$$$ etc.

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    7. Re:Time is of the essence by tgd · · Score: 1

      If they get a release on his likeness, death would only be a cost bump in the film -- its easy enough to do him digitally.

  10. maybe now they can start work on avatar porn /nt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    maybe now they can start work on avatar porn /nt

  11. Re:Slashdot Opines About Hobbit On Hold While by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 1

    Slashdot has covered the leak a number of times, most recently yesterday.

  12. Re:Slashdot Opines About Hobbit On Hold While by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 1

    And I thought our discussion of who was the best bond was off-topic.

  13. Freedom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    US senators will move to restrict access to this and other films like it, as it may induce notions of freedom and provocative thought amoungst an otherwise docile, ignorant and perverted American populus.

  14. Necessary for it to be a Peter Jackson production by Dex1331 · · Score: 0

    I think it's very important that they use the same producers, studio, staff as much as possible so that the look and feel aspects of the production are consistent and in line with the wonderful epic triology. It should really fit seemlessly in with the LOTR. I'm not sure Ian Holm is young enough to play the part of Bilbo however, they did pretty good making him look young in the cave scene, finding The One Ring but I don't think they can swing him doing the entire film. He is talented enough to do it however, I would just hate to see them overlay a bunch of CGI and make him look like a star ware episode 5-6 Yoda.

  15. They are waiting for copyright to expire in 2 by geekoid · · Score: 2, Informative

    years. The copy copyright was in 1937, 28 years, plus a possible 47 year extension. 75 years Max and assuming the filed properly.
    2012 it expires. Seems to me the Tolkien estate should suck whatever blood they can get from our culture now.

    The Renewal System
    Under the 1909 copyright law, works copyrighted in the United States before
    January 1, 1978, were subject to a renewal system in which the term of copyright
    was divided into two consecutive terms. Renewal registration, within strict time
    limits, was required as a condition of securing the second term and extending
    the copyright to its maximum length.
    On January 1, 1978, the current copyright law (title 17 of the United States
    Code) came into effect in the United States. This law retained the renewal
    system for works that were copyrighted before 1978 and were still in their first
    terms on January 1, 1978. For these works the statute provides for a first term of
    copyright protection lasting for 28 years, with the possibility for a second term
    of 47 years. The 1992 amending legislation automatically secures this second
    term for works copyrighted between January 1, 1964, and December 31, 1977.

    The Hobbit was published in 1937. It had to be extende withing 28 year. 1965 at the latest.
    The second extension is for 47 years. meaning the second, and final extension shoud ahve ended in 2007.

    note: If a copyright originally secured before January 1, 1964, was not renewed at
    the proper time, copyright protection expired at the end of the 28th calendar year
    of the copyright and could not be restored.

    Some of the first runs didn't even have a copyright mark, so one could argue the copyright is invalad. You would need to be a dick to argue that.

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    1. Re:They are waiting for copyright to expire in 2 by asylumx · · Score: 1

      Wait... The copyright expires in 2012?? Don't tell me it happens in December....

    2. Re:They are waiting for copyright to expire in 2 by JimDarley · · Score: 5, Informative

      The US adopted the Berne convention in 1988, according to which:- "One important minimum rule was that the term of copyright was to be a minimum of the author's lifetime plus 50 years."

      According to Wikipedia, Tolkien died in 1973, that plus 50 years means that it'll be 2023 before the copyright expires.

    3. Re:They are waiting for copyright to expire in 2 by CrashandDie · · Score: 1

      Also, Tolkien was British, and his work was published in the UK. US Copyright law is worth balls all, especially when it comes to extensions.

    4. Re:They are waiting for copyright to expire in 2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      US Copyright has a lot to do with it considering the size of the US market. Just because it was written in the UK doesn't mean that it doesn't receive protection in the US or that the protection it receives in the US is subject to UK copyright law. If they want to sell it in the US, those sales are subject to US copyright law for both the book and the movie. Likewise, if they want to sell it in the UK or any other country, those sales are subject to the copyright law in each of those countries.

      So it really only matters that the US Copyright expires in 2 years if that's true of every other country in which they intend to release the film. Otherwise, they'll have to license the book for use in those countries.

    5. Re:They are waiting for copyright to expire in 2 by Naznarreb · · Score: 1

      You would need to be a dick to argue that.

      Or a financially troubled production company looking for some public domain source material.

    6. Re:They are waiting for copyright to expire in 2 by edjs · · Score: 2, Informative

      I don't believe the US was obligated to apply that to works created before they adopted the Convention.

      From my reading of the circulars below, The Hobbit would be copyrighted (in the US) until 2032. It would have expired in 2012 if they hadn't extended the term an additional 20 years in 1998.

      There is, of course, plenty of time to extend it further.

      Copyright Basics

      Duration of Copyright

    7. Re:They are waiting for copyright to expire in 2 by srleffler · · Score: 1
      Your information is out of date. U.S. copyright terms were extended by the Copyright Term Extension Act of 1998. Assuming the copyright was renewed by 1965, its term was extended for 95 years from the date of publication, so the copyright will expire around 2032.

      Not only will The Hobbit's copyright not expire in 2012, but in fact with rare exceptions no copyrights will expire in that year, or in any other year until 2019. The change in copyright terms was motivated by the then-imminent expiry of the copyright on Mickey Mouse.

  16. Thief! We hates it! by Chas · · Score: 1

    We hates it...FOREVER!

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    THANK GOD!!!
  17. Jackson, or bust. by unity100 · · Score: 1

    im no zealot of anyone or anything about the movies, however, jackson did a good job with the trilogy. if so, i would consider it stupid to not use the guy who was tested and succeeded.

    maybe i should not watch that, not taking the risk. 'tolkien estate' has valued their immediate profits over the importance and value of the lotr saga after all. it would send a good message.

    i mean, really, as someone said about wall street, 'how many yachts you can water ski behind'.

  18. Jackson, overrated by TiggertheMad · · Score: 5, Insightful

    however, jackson did a good job with the trilogy.

    Elf shield surfing.
    Dwarf tossing jokes.
    Rewriting parts of the story to make it 'more exciting'.


    Let's just say that he did ok, hmmm?

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    1. Re:Jackson, overrated by geekoid · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And it was still better then anyone else could of done.

      It was a great Job. No, it wasn't perfect, but it was still an awesome movie that told the story.

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    2. Re:Jackson, overrated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Elf shield surfing.

      Elf shield surfing is dumber than, say, Tom Bombadil was in the books?

      Rewriting parts of the story to make it 'more exciting'.

      Somebody damned well needed to. As far as I'm concerned it's Jackson, Walsh, and Boyens' work now, not Tolkien's. /Posting anonymously to dodge death threats

    3. Re:Jackson, overrated by unity100 · · Score: 1

      the other people replied to you quite well. its the general atmosphere and flow of the story, correct representation of the characters that makes a movie. not a few glitches here and there. tom bombadil, was actually in the books, and far more stupid.

    4. Re:Jackson, overrated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Rewriting parts of the story to make it 'more exciting'.

      Which tends to be why the consensus is that the LOTR movies are better than the books.

      Holy crap dude, nobody should want Tom Bombadil. Seriously.

    5. Re:Jackson, overrated by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1


      Rewriting parts of the story to make it 'more exciting'.

      Are these the tediously-long battle sequences?

      Just started Fellowship with my daughter last night, coincidentally, and the extended version has much better pacing, except for the "we have Massive, so by golly that's worth half an hour of screentime" parts.

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    6. Re:Jackson, overrated by b1ad3runn3r · · Score: 1

      You are 'mad' if you don't think that Jackson and crew did a fucking phenomenal job with the LOTR trilogy. One doesn't just walk into a multimillion dollar movie with a book written 50 years ago, which is sometimes terribly depressing and obtuse, and faithfully recreate every scene to placate a select few who only take gospel from the original creator of the yarn. Middle-earth belongs to all of us now, not just Tolkien. He had to throw in some comic relief, a more explicit and passionate love story, and some teen-appeal to add some lightheartedness to the yarn. It's just too depressing and dry most of the time to be a good movie. There's a reason screenwriters have a job. Most books are pure crap when interpreted directly as scripts. In summary, if you think that he did an "ok" job, I expect that you are massively disappointed with all modern cinema, including independent films. The only thing I would expect you to enjoy are documentaries, and only when "that bugger with the voice-overs isn't talking".

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    7. Re:Jackson, overrated by john83 · · Score: 1

      Let's just say that he did ok, hmmm?

      He translated a celebrated book which was considered unfilmable into a commercially successful, oscar-winning film, introducing the book to a huge number of people who would otherwise have never considered reading it. Yeah, he did "okay".

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  19. LotR BluRay Extended Edition? by LordKronos · · Score: 1

    Peter Jackson has said before that the Lord of the Rings Extended Edition will not be released on BluRay until after he is finished up with The Hobbit, because he needs to be directly involved in the project. So does this mean that, since he won't be busy on the Hobbit right now, he'll have time to work on that? Or is LotR EE BR now in indefinite hold too?

  20. more waiting by dx40sh · · Score: 1

    So does this mean that the blu-ray EE trilogy will be delayed as well ?

  21. First Book? by lymond01 · · Score: 1

    The film, based on J.R.R. Tolkien's first book in the fantasy series

    Not the first.

    Okay, so maybe the Silmarillion wasn't the first book to be published but it's the first in historical significance to the world of Middle-Earth. And if you didn't get the reference of my link text, we don't need your kind here.

    1. Re:First Book? by avg_joe_01 · · Score: 1

      Ok.. so am I bigger geek for knowing the reference... or for the words of Mandos being my first though at a glance before I read your post?

    2. Re:First Book? by lymond01 · · Score: 1

      Good memory, Joe. You're not so average after all!

    3. Re:First Book? by boredsenseless · · Score: 1

      The words of "Mandos," the hands of fate?

      "Mandos."

  22. Re:thank goodness! by sortius_nod · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I'm glad they've put a stop to it too.

    Fucking Aragorn in the Hobbit. What the fuck were they thinking.

    Jackson fucked LotR, and was about to fuck the Hobbit (not a pretty thought). We should all rejoice with a handful of pipeweed.

  23. Three movies... by xanadu113 · · Score: 1

    Lord of the Rings.. three movies of nothing but walking...

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    1. Re:Three movies... by StupiderThanYou · · Score: 1

      Lord of the Rings.. three movies of nothing but walking...

      Yes, in the same way that Die Hard is four movies of nothing but architecture.

  24. Copyright expiration is all over the map by bgalbrecht · · Score: 2, Informative

    In life+50 countries like Canada, it will be 2024 (it becomes PD Jan 1 of the year after the 50th anniversary of the death), but in the US, since it was copyrighted under the rules in place then, with the extensions (geekoid forgot about the 20 year extension in 1998), the copyright will expire in 2033. In the UK and EU and many other countries where it is life+70, it will be PD in 2044. This is all assuming the terms aren't extended yet again.

    1. Re:Copyright expiration is all over the map by boxwood · · Score: 1

      JRR Tolkien died in 1973, Walt Disney died in 1966. Laws will be changed to make sure Disney's copyrights will never expire. Since Tolkien dies after Disney, that means his copyright will never expire either.

  25. Re:thank goodness! by Culture20 · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'm glad they've put a stop to it too.

    Fucking Aragorn in the Hobbit. [...]

    I knew Bilbo lived alone and never married, and took a young hobbit into his underground home to be his ward, but I thought the Batman parallels ended there. And wasn't Batman really straight anyway? I thought that the "Batman is gay" thing was a joke. And Aragorn is in love with Arwen. No, no. None of this adds up at all!

  26. Why is that a problem by maroberts · · Score: 1

    They can't wait too long. Ian McKellen just turned 71.

    According to the Silmarillion, Gandalf (Olórin) was a Maiar and therefore around before the creation of the world. Being as old as dirt is a postive advantage for this role

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  27. What is a book? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Inquiring minds of under 18s would want to know.

    1. Re:What is a book? by troll8901 · · Score: 1

      They're a new invention: something like ebooks, but operate using WORM displays (write-once-read-many). They have a MTBF of several decades.

      Original definition

    2. Re:What is a book? by Meski · · Score: 1

      I think ebook publishers are trending towards WO (write only) ebooks.

  28. Picking nits: Jackson is not directing. by jotaeleemeese · · Score: 1

    In any case, given that del Toro is a better director than Jackson, I think that the final product will be great.

    Producing is an entirely different beast from directing. Actually an overbearing director can be the worst news for a film, since he may want to see his ideas in the film, robing creative control form the person that should have it: the director.

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  29. Keeping the Crappy Errors by kenp2002 · · Score: 1

    So is the movie going to suddenly change perspective and go fro 3rd person to first person "Through Dildo's Eyes" ala The Blair Witch Project?

    Let's not forget that the Hobbit was the crappies book he wrote. He should have smoked less pot at the time and at least kept the point of view consistent....

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