Puh-leez. You don't come to slashdot for objective discussion. You come here to mingle with folks who enforce your inherently held "truths." You come here to post the same Microsoft jokes that haven't been funny for 10 years and get modded +1, Funny. You come here to ridicule the less technically inclined in an attempt to inflate your hollow ego. You come here to partake in a circle-jerk of technical non-conformance. You come here for many things, none of which involve objective, reasonable discussion.
As an aside, some of the toy websites that use mySQL include Flickr, Facebook, Wikipedia, Google, Nokia and YouTube.
Your examples are terrible. A knowledge of asphalt, for example, won't allow us to utilize the road any better. The computer on the other hand is a multi-faceted tool. A very basic understanding of programming can segue into a variety of things that can make us more productive in both our personal and professional lives. You are robbing today's youth if you don't at the very least expose them to this.
For me personally, I would be flipping burgers if it weren't for exposure to programming. It happened to be something I was really good at, even though I had no interest in doing well in school. Shoot, I hardly graduated high school, dropped out of technical college, and now I'm making more than most people who graduated from a 4-year school, without the student loans to boot.
Considering our reliance on computing in every single industry, in our personal lives -- fuck it, literally EVERYWHERE, it could easily be argued that mathematics, history and science are more appropriatly considered trade skills than basic computer programming. A little bit of javascript knowledge or HTML, or the ability to write simple Excel macros is *far* more practical than understanding photosynthesis or finding the derivative of a function, because, ironically, the latter knowledge has a much smaller scope than basic computer programming.
You must first be exposed to something before you can specialize in it. Our schools do just that, give a well rounded exposure so that students can discover what interests them.
Aww, a trendy dissenter. How cute. All the righteous indignation in the world won't make your points relevant.
Guess what? Our educational system offers advanced placement classes for students who are so inclined to take them. No one is being forced to take a dumbed down class. Fortunately for those folks who are not as enlightened or smart as you, a dumbed down class might offer a more cushy introduction to a topic that can be a bit intimidating to a lot of people.
There is no reason a introductory programming course shouldn't be a mandatory part of a curriculum. Giving more students exposure to it would certainly not be a negative thing. Go take your nerd rage elsewhere.
This was cool 5 years ago when I did it on my softmodded XBox, which it should be noted actually has access to the video card and thus has performance on par with the PS3 (if not better), even with a measly 64mb ram.
Frankly, I dont expect MSFT to do anything that does not directly correlate to immediate profits.
Imagine that, a business interested in profits! Judging by the sheer number of similar comments I often see here on slashdot, I can safely assume that slashdot is generally full of tech-savvy morons.
I don't know if you realize this -- I would assume it is implied knowledge, but a business is obligated to be as profitable as lawfully possible to their shareholders and employees. And at least in Microsoft's case, much of that profit is going to a good cause.
Ironic. You don't actually counter any of my points, you make over generalizations and claim I suffer from a psych disorder because of my opinion. Nice to see the slashdot crowd staying classy.
Your post has some truth if we're talking web development, but even that is quickly becoming irrelevant heading into IE8 whose quirks are not so much standards related as they are just different in the way that Gecko is different than Webkit.
However, Visual Studio and its debugging facilities are second to none. C# is a great language. SQL Server and it's tools are awesome. In only it's second generation as a console manufacturer it has overcome Sony in epic fashion. I don't necessarily blame people for disliking MS because of certain business practices (although I don't understand why Apple is so often overlooked in this regard) but *for the love of God*, do not be some ignorant twat who, out of sheer naivety believes that non-Microsoft product is always superior to Microsoft product. Microsoft has been pushing out good shit as of late. And most importantly, they embrace the god damn two-button mouse.
Well, if we were to get into the nitty gritty details of what such litigation would look like, you would have to argue that Firefox was stifling competition, which it would not be doing simply by being bundled with Windows. The problem with bundling Internet Explorer (thus being a defacto standard) is the fact that Microsoft dictated web development standards and practices with IE's non-standard behavior. The only way other browsers could keep up was by implementing quirky, non-standard proprietary behavior. As Microsoft moves toward being more standards compliant, their stranglehold over the market diminishes, almost in direct correlation with their market share, in spite of bundling.
I would love to see OS X reach wide adoption. Once people aren't overlooking the obvious flaws to justify the purchase of their expensive pretty computer, the piece of crap that is OS X will be exposed.
Mozilla execs have absolutely no business-saavy or sense. Are they joking? They couldn't have a monopoly considering their business model. Their product is free, and does not prevent competitors from entering the market. Someone in Mozilla's PR department needs to shut these clowns up.
Interesting. Thanks for the clarifications. Funny that both the summary and the article itself conveniently ignore the stated goal of this Starter Edition.
It's too bad CmdrTaco is a FUD spreading shill, because non-MS/Linux articles are generally pretty good with decent and objective commentary...
I've generally defended Microsoft and their products against the non-objective hordes of Linux zealots here at slashdot, but this is inexcusable and ridiculous.
XP Home could not join a domain. This is a big deal. This severely limits the OS.
For who? People trying to use XP Home in a corporate environment?
Your beef is clearly with Microsoft trying to maximize their profits. They are a business -- That is what they do. There is nothing ethically wrong with it, unless you're a whack job who hangs on RMS's every word.
The reality is, using your own example, that 99.9% of people using Windows XP Home Edition are completely oblivious to the fact that they can't connect to a domain. It is largely a non-issue, except on technology websites like slashdot who desperately grab at anything they can to try and prove that their platform of choice is somehow superior, all while being grossly hypocritical and contradicting in the process.
Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Edubuntu, and Xubuntu are all exactly the same aside from the desktop environment.
So what you're saying is they're exactly the same except for the part that makes up the entire desktop experience? To the layperson, this makes them entirely different. The set of applications, the way the desktop behaves, the task bar. If you think that the different versions of Ubuntu are more transparent to the end-user than the different version of Windows, you need to share that shit you're smoking.
I love how this "topic" is a whipping boy for Linux zealots. Ubuntu alone has Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Edubuntu, Xubuntu, and probably more that I don't even know about. If you want to see real madness though, go over to Opera's linux download page here.
It's amusingly ironic that the same folks who evangelize linux on the desktop are the same people who would claim that 6 versions of Windows is confusing to end users. Maybe if ya'll stopped worrying so much about what Microsoft did and actually started pointing out the flaws in your own platform, you'd make some progress.
It's same assumption held by all members of the Church of RMS. Anyone interested in making money and retaining the rights to their intellectual property is inherently evil.
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Puh-leez. You don't come to slashdot for objective discussion. You come here to mingle with folks who enforce your inherently held "truths." You come here to post the same Microsoft jokes that haven't been funny for 10 years and get modded +1, Funny. You come here to ridicule the less technically inclined in an attempt to inflate your hollow ego. You come here to partake in a circle-jerk of technical non-conformance. You come here for many things, none of which involve objective, reasonable discussion.
As an aside, some of the toy websites that use mySQL include Flickr, Facebook, Wikipedia, Google, Nokia and YouTube.
Your examples are terrible. A knowledge of asphalt, for example, won't allow us to utilize the road any better. The computer on the other hand is a multi-faceted tool. A very basic understanding of programming can segue into a variety of things that can make us more productive in both our personal and professional lives. You are robbing today's youth if you don't at the very least expose them to this.
For me personally, I would be flipping burgers if it weren't for exposure to programming. It happened to be something I was really good at, even though I had no interest in doing well in school. Shoot, I hardly graduated high school, dropped out of technical college, and now I'm making more than most people who graduated from a 4-year school, without the student loans to boot.
Considering our reliance on computing in every single industry, in our personal lives -- fuck it, literally EVERYWHERE, it could easily be argued that mathematics, history and science are more appropriatly considered trade skills than basic computer programming. A little bit of javascript knowledge or HTML, or the ability to write simple Excel macros is *far* more practical than understanding photosynthesis or finding the derivative of a function, because, ironically, the latter knowledge has a much smaller scope than basic computer programming.
You must first be exposed to something before you can specialize in it. Our schools do just that, give a well rounded exposure so that students can discover what interests them.
Aww, a trendy dissenter. How cute. All the righteous indignation in the world won't make your points relevant.
Guess what? Our educational system offers advanced placement classes for students who are so inclined to take them. No one is being forced to take a dumbed down class. Fortunately for those folks who are not as enlightened or smart as you, a dumbed down class might offer a more cushy introduction to a topic that can be a bit intimidating to a lot of people.
There is no reason a introductory programming course shouldn't be a mandatory part of a curriculum. Giving more students exposure to it would certainly not be a negative thing. Go take your nerd rage elsewhere.
This was cool 5 years ago when I did it on my softmodded XBox, which it should be noted actually has access to the video card and thus has performance on par with the PS3 (if not better), even with a measly 64mb ram.
Something tells me you're not being sarcastic.
90% of the people who have winmo is for that particular reason. However in total, the number of people who need this feature are a minority.
Tell that to the legion of corporate BlackBerry owners who, you know, use their phone for things other than downloading light saber and fart apps.
OS X is a kludge.
Freakin' Word. But it looks pretty.
Frankly, I dont expect MSFT to do anything that does not directly correlate to immediate profits.
Imagine that, a business interested in profits! Judging by the sheer number of similar comments I often see here on slashdot, I can safely assume that slashdot is generally full of tech-savvy morons.
I don't know if you realize this -- I would assume it is implied knowledge, but a business is obligated to be as profitable as lawfully possible to their shareholders and employees. And at least in Microsoft's case, much of that profit is going to a good cause.
Ironic. You don't actually counter any of my points, you make over generalizations and claim I suffer from a psych disorder because of my opinion. Nice to see the slashdot crowd staying classy.
Your post has some truth if we're talking web development, but even that is quickly becoming irrelevant heading into IE8 whose quirks are not so much standards related as they are just different in the way that Gecko is different than Webkit.
However, Visual Studio and its debugging facilities are second to none. C# is a great language. SQL Server and it's tools are awesome. In only it's second generation as a console manufacturer it has overcome Sony in epic fashion. I don't necessarily blame people for disliking MS because of certain business practices (although I don't understand why Apple is so often overlooked in this regard) but *for the love of God*, do not be some ignorant twat who, out of sheer naivety believes that non-Microsoft product is always superior to Microsoft product. Microsoft has been pushing out good shit as of late. And most importantly, they embrace the god damn two-button mouse.
Aren't service packs always free?
Not for OS X users.
And lighttpd is doing pretty damn good for itself, too.
Well, if we were to get into the nitty gritty details of what such litigation would look like, you would have to argue that Firefox was stifling competition, which it would not be doing simply by being bundled with Windows. The problem with bundling Internet Explorer (thus being a defacto standard) is the fact that Microsoft dictated web development standards and practices with IE's non-standard behavior. The only way other browsers could keep up was by implementing quirky, non-standard proprietary behavior. As Microsoft moves toward being more standards compliant, their stranglehold over the market diminishes, almost in direct correlation with their market share, in spite of bundling.
I would love to see OS X reach wide adoption. Once people aren't overlooking the obvious flaws to justify the purchase of their expensive pretty computer, the piece of crap that is OS X will be exposed.
Mozilla execs have absolutely no business-saavy or sense. Are they joking? They couldn't have a monopoly considering their business model. Their product is free, and does not prevent competitors from entering the market. Someone in Mozilla's PR department needs to shut these clowns up.
Interesting. Thanks for the clarifications. Funny that both the summary and the article itself conveniently ignore the stated goal of this Starter Edition.
It's too bad CmdrTaco is a FUD spreading shill, because non-MS/Linux articles are generally pretty good with decent and objective commentary...
I've generally defended Microsoft and their products against the non-objective hordes of Linux zealots here at slashdot, but this is inexcusable and ridiculous.
XP Home could not join a domain. This is a big deal. This severely limits the OS.
For who? People trying to use XP Home in a corporate environment?
Your beef is clearly with Microsoft trying to maximize their profits. They are a business -- That is what they do. There is nothing ethically wrong with it, unless you're a whack job who hangs on RMS's every word.
The reality is, using your own example, that 99.9% of people using Windows XP Home Edition are completely oblivious to the fact that they can't connect to a domain. It is largely a non-issue, except on technology websites like slashdot who desperately grab at anything they can to try and prove that their platform of choice is somehow superior, all while being grossly hypocritical and contradicting in the process.
Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Edubuntu, and Xubuntu are all exactly the same aside from the desktop environment.
So what you're saying is they're exactly the same except for the part that makes up the entire desktop experience? To the layperson, this makes them entirely different. The set of applications, the way the desktop behaves, the task bar. If you think that the different versions of Ubuntu are more transparent to the end-user than the different version of Windows, you need to share that shit you're smoking.
I love how this "topic" is a whipping boy for Linux zealots. Ubuntu alone has Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Edubuntu, Xubuntu, and probably more that I don't even know about. If you want to see real madness though, go over to Opera's linux download page here.
It's amusingly ironic that the same folks who evangelize linux on the desktop are the same people who would claim that 6 versions of Windows is confusing to end users. Maybe if ya'll stopped worrying so much about what Microsoft did and actually started pointing out the flaws in your own platform, you'd make some progress.
Requiring a rating on games, movies, music, etc, is just censorship by another name.
No, it's really not. Not even close.
Adults should be free to buy whatever the hell games they want.
They are.
Did you read it? It's not debug comments, it's an i18n file.
It's same assumption held by all members of the Church of RMS. Anyone interested in making money and retaining the rights to their intellectual property is inherently evil.