It seems that most people who reacted here misunderstand me as some commie who just feels he has a right to everything. The opposite is true, I respect the companies decision, I just wish they based it on some real analysis instead of arbitrary borders. But it's their right to act arbitrarily, and it's my right to complain about it on Slashdot:D.
I am not talking about an insult. It's merely an inconvenience, and one that does seems to be easily fixed if the company in question tried just a little bit. I am not saying I am entitled to anything. All I am saying is that it would be nice of them to do a proper analysis before making a decision. Apple may have good reasons why they don't want to sell music here, I can accept that. But if you visit web shops that list countries that have not existed for years, you can be sure that they did not care to do their homework properly.
Actually, there are companies that try to fill the gap. They have an address in US that you can use when ordering in an US-only online shop, and they will re-mail it to you in Europe. It is not cheap and a bit complicated, but it works.
Also, if you read my comment carefully, I used the word "half" a lot. There are many online shops that have no problem with shipping to eastern Europe. I can get my stuff online, it is just much less convenient.
The problem here is really simple. People in countries that are being left out have a strong feeling that the decision many companies make, not to ship to these countries, is often not based on rational reasoning. Yes, we can use the gap as an entrepreneurial opportunity, but that is beside the point. The point here is that we want to alert the companies that reconsidering their policy may be beneficial to them as well as to us.
(Try to walk in my shoes for a moment: You find something interesting on Amazon, try to order it... bang, not shipping this there. You search for it on google, try a few other shops, and maybe the third one will ship it. Even though you succeed, you still feel... discriminated.)
Sorry, this is just plain prejudice. For business purposes EU is one big country. OK, certain countries are well known sources for fraud. My country is not one of them. There is no problem with doing business here. Dell and HP have support centers here that support users all over Europe. IBM has a sales/purchasing center here, they handle accounts all over the world. SAP has a software developer center here, too.
Maybe Apple has some IP related reasons why they can sell media only in certain countries, but most other cases when shops do not ship to eastern Europe are just a result of prejudice and lazyness. The person who fills list of countries into the shop can either investigate which countries to include, or he can just decide to include western Europe "since they are OK" and ignore the rest.
Mostly it's not about product availability. Often those are products I can buy in a stone shop here without problems. The problem is that if you try to order them online, you often find that your country is simply not listed.
But why? I mean, the cold war ended 20 years ago, count them. We have had democracy with a market economy since then. We have been in EU for 6 years. Our copyright, patent and consumer law is up to date with the EU law. There is no jungle here, people are not being eaten, this is Europe. And still, half of the times when I try to order something from the net, I find out that they will either not ship it, or ship it for some ridiculous price because we are included in the "rest of the world" region that includes Antarctica and probably the Moon. Even if the web shop is in Europe. And mostly the problem is with big companies, like Amazon or Apple. The small shops are usually fine. I have bought a notebook online from US, and loads of stuff from Germany and UK. Never had any problem. Except that half the time when I found something for a price that seemed OK, I then found that Europe means "west from Vienna".
Ok, everyone has a right to choose whom to sell and whom not. I don't have a problem with that. But I would like them to make the choice based on some rational thought, not randomly as it seems to be now. People who own web shops just automatically exclude central and east Europe. Other thing, I have seen shops that still list "Czechoslovakia" as one of the countries. Czechoslovakia does not exist, it has been 17 years. Where did they get such an old list of countries? If they don't care about this, I can be sure they don't care whether someone from eastern Europe can order or not.
Well, one disadvantage of many current tablets is their weight. I did a quick research, 2710p is not that bad (starting from 1.6kg up to 2.0kg). TC1100 without keyboard was 1.4kg and TC1000 was 1.35kg. For a computer that you are usually holding in one hand, weight is important. Even 1.35 feels on the heavy side. I read lots of books lying down and partially holding it, partially supporting it on something. I could not do that with a 2.0 kg notebook (tried it:).
Another thing, TC1000 was beautiful (ok, that is subjective:), TC4200 which replaced it was just a standard looking black notebook.
I miss my TC1000 very much, currently I am using Lenovo X61 which is very good, but I am still searching for something as perfect as TC1000 was.
If this is true, then go to hell HP. First you discontinued the TC1100, which even until today is one of the best slate tablets made, and now this. Next time you announce a tablet, you can count on me not caring.
Bad guess, I did read the article. And I even understood it. Did you? And did you understand my post, specifically the part where I say "if there are no more IPv4 addresses available"?
"They also recognized that there would soon be some organizations that would need to deploy new networks and services on IPv6 without the benefit of IPv4. As a result, the decision was made to retain some IPv4 address space so that new networks could put up their IPv4 DNS and run protocol-translation services."
Yeah. How many months do you think these extra addresses will last? Six? And what will happen afterwards?
I see, if there is a significant number of ISPs in US who provide IPv6 to customers, then the solution may be closer than I thought. Of course the country where I live is usually five years behind US in technology, most ISPs here would just look strange at you if you requested IPv6 service. We will have a lot of fun once IPv4 runs out:D
Ah, NAT at ISP side. Technically that would work. But that requires all ISPs' support, otherwise anyone on the IPv6 network will be invisible to big parts of the old internet.
Imagine that you are a company on the IPv6 network, would you be happy that big parts of the old net can't see you because their ISPs did not bother to set up NAT? Nope, you would try very hard to get rid of IPv6 and somehow obtain a few IPv4 addresses and NAT your network instead.
Now imagine that you are an ISP on the "old" internet. What motivates you to set up this NAT for your customers? Nothing, since no-one uses IPv6. It's a chicken and egg problem, with neither chicken nor egg wanting to be the first one.
That basically amounts to creating a second completely independent internet and hoping that all ISPs all around the world will decide to switch to it, with the investment it requires, although it initially won't bring them any benefits. Sorry, I don't think that would work in real world; even if the ISPs slowly start switching, what would we do in the mean time? You would first have to find some real incentive for the ISPs so they would switch as fast as possible.
Funny. Despite the amount of posts you have created here, you still don't realize where the real problem is. For any IPv4 host to reach your IPv6 hosts through protocol translation, you still need to have an IPv4 address. And this is a problem if there are no more IPv4 addresses available.
Try a thought experiment, you are an IPv4 host on the "old" internet, and you are trying to ping an IPv6 host behind protocol translation. What will you write to the command line? I would be interested to see how you would manage to answer this without the IPv6 host having an IPv4 address assigned as well.
Of course you are correct about all the routers and operating systems being IPv6 ready. But that is not the problem, accessing the old internet is the problem.
I read an interesting book on the subject, by an African woman with first hand experience with aid (Dambisa Moyo: Dead Aid - Why Aid Is Not Working and How There Is a Better Way for Africa). It explains with how sending aid to poor countries often causes more problems then it solves. If you give something for free, you ruin the part of economy that provided the same thing for money. Then when the aid stops, there are no local producers to replace it. The countries become dependent on aid.
Of course this does not apply to emergency situations like the one in Haiti, where there was no local producer to produce enough food, shelter, water... But if there are local ISPs capable of providing internet access, then the NGOs should definitely use them, and not compete with them by maintaining their own network. That would give work to the local people, which in turn helps a bit in re-establishing the Haitian economy.
They are not mad, they just don't have a process for dealing with entities that lie in their application and have immense resources to make those lies appear as truth.
As a related rant, this is an universal problem in US and other western countries. You have never seen a really evil government in your lives, and you can't begin to imagine what it looks like. You think Obama/Bush/whoever is evil, when they are just misguided, dishonest or stupid. A really evil government does not bother about trying to answer, they just send the troops to make questions go away.
On one hand Firefox will annoy to hell if you access a site with self-signed certificate, on the other hand they make you trust the Chinese government by default. Personally I trust a self-signed certificate million times more then a certificate signed by the Chinese authority. And any other authority is only marginally better then self-signed, since they will issue a certificate to basically anyone with minimum checking.
With the self signed one at least I know they are not trying to fool me, and I know whether site certificate has changed since my last visit. With "trusted" certificate you don't gain any more certainty than that, in fact you gain less because the certificate can change without you even noticing.
Those "independently" funded studies of course include studies paid for by "green" organizations that have an agenda of their own. If you separate industry funded reports, you also have to separate those, otherwise your results are completely bogus.
We don't actually measure fuel consumption in km/l in Europe. Writing 98 km/l is even less informative then 230 mpg:). But thanks for the effort anyway.
If they did it consciously, then I am sure they have two versions of the pages -- one standards compliant for compliant browsers and one for IE6. Now they only need to drop the IE6 version and think what to do with the free time they gained by not having to maintain it anymore.
Ideal for developers who work on huge projects. You can put all your.o files and the compiled binary on the RAM disk and the compilation/linking performance should be marvelous. And if there is a power failure, you can always just recompile everything. I will seriously consider getting one of these...
Huh, if you once copied a 1GB movie over 100Mb vs. 1Gb network, you would know the difference. Obviously you don't see it if you are just copying 5kB text files...
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It seems that most people who reacted here misunderstand me as some commie who just feels he has a right to everything. The opposite is true, I respect the companies decision, I just wish they based it on some real analysis instead of arbitrary borders. But it's their right to act arbitrarily, and it's my right to complain about it on Slashdot :D.
Thank you. I suppose you have to live through it to understand.
I am not talking about an insult. It's merely an inconvenience, and one that does seems to be easily fixed if the company in question tried just a little bit. I am not saying I am entitled to anything. All I am saying is that it would be nice of them to do a proper analysis before making a decision. Apple may have good reasons why they don't want to sell music here, I can accept that. But if you visit web shops that list countries that have not existed for years, you can be sure that they did not care to do their homework properly.
Actually, there are companies that try to fill the gap. They have an address in US that you can use when ordering in an US-only online shop, and they will re-mail it to you in Europe. It is not cheap and a bit complicated, but it works.
Also, if you read my comment carefully, I used the word "half" a lot. There are many online shops that have no problem with shipping to eastern Europe. I can get my stuff online, it is just much less convenient.
The problem here is really simple. People in countries that are being left out have a strong feeling that the decision many companies make, not to ship to these countries, is often not based on rational reasoning. Yes, we can use the gap as an entrepreneurial opportunity, but that is beside the point. The point here is that we want to alert the companies that reconsidering their policy may be beneficial to them as well as to us.
(Try to walk in my shoes for a moment: You find something interesting on Amazon, try to order it... bang, not shipping this there. You search for it on google, try a few other shops, and maybe the third one will ship it. Even though you succeed, you still feel... discriminated.)
Sorry, this is just plain prejudice. For business purposes EU is one big country. OK, certain countries are well known sources for fraud. My country is not one of them. There is no problem with doing business here. Dell and HP have support centers here that support users all over Europe. IBM has a sales/purchasing center here, they handle accounts all over the world. SAP has a software developer center here, too.
Maybe Apple has some IP related reasons why they can sell media only in certain countries, but most other cases when shops do not ship to eastern Europe are just a result of prejudice and lazyness. The person who fills list of countries into the shop can either investigate which countries to include, or he can just decide to include western Europe "since they are OK" and ignore the rest.
Mostly it's not about product availability. Often those are products I can buy in a stone shop here without problems. The problem is that if you try to order them online, you often find that your country is simply not listed.
But why? I mean, the cold war ended 20 years ago, count them. We have had democracy with a market economy since then. We have been in EU for 6 years. Our copyright, patent and consumer law is up to date with the EU law. There is no jungle here, people are not being eaten, this is Europe. And still, half of the times when I try to order something from the net, I find out that they will either not ship it, or ship it for some ridiculous price because we are included in the "rest of the world" region that includes Antarctica and probably the Moon. Even if the web shop is in Europe. And mostly the problem is with big companies, like Amazon or Apple. The small shops are usually fine. I have bought a notebook online from US, and loads of stuff from Germany and UK. Never had any problem. Except that half the time when I found something for a price that seemed OK, I then found that Europe means "west from Vienna".
Ok, everyone has a right to choose whom to sell and whom not. I don't have a problem with that. But I would like them to make the choice based on some rational thought, not randomly as it seems to be now. People who own web shops just automatically exclude central and east Europe. Other thing, I have seen shops that still list "Czechoslovakia" as one of the countries. Czechoslovakia does not exist, it has been 17 years. Where did they get such an old list of countries? If they don't care about this, I can be sure they don't care whether someone from eastern Europe can order or not.
Well, one disadvantage of many current tablets is their weight. I did a quick research, 2710p is not that bad (starting from 1.6kg up to 2.0kg). TC1100 without keyboard was 1.4kg and TC1000 was 1.35kg. For a computer that you are usually holding in one hand, weight is important. Even 1.35 feels on the heavy side. I read lots of books lying down and partially holding it, partially supporting it on something. I could not do that with a 2.0 kg notebook (tried it :).
Another thing, TC1000 was beautiful (ok, that is subjective :), TC4200 which replaced it was just a standard looking black notebook.
I miss my TC1000 very much, currently I am using Lenovo X61 which is very good, but I am still searching for something as perfect as TC1000 was.
If this is true, then go to hell HP. First you discontinued the TC1100, which even until today is one of the best slate tablets made, and now this. Next time you announce a tablet, you can count on me not caring.
Bad guess, I did read the article. And I even understood it. Did you? And did you understand my post, specifically the part where I say "if there are no more IPv4 addresses available"?
"They also recognized that there would soon be some organizations that would need to deploy new networks and services on IPv6 without the benefit of IPv4. As a result, the decision was made to retain some IPv4 address space so that new networks could put up their IPv4 DNS and run protocol-translation services."
Yeah. How many months do you think these extra addresses will last? Six? And what will happen afterwards?
I see, if there is a significant number of ISPs in US who provide IPv6 to customers, then the solution may be closer than I thought. Of course the country where I live is usually five years behind US in technology, most ISPs here would just look strange at you if you requested IPv6 service. We will have a lot of fun once IPv4 runs out :D
Ah, NAT at ISP side. Technically that would work. But that requires all ISPs' support, otherwise anyone on the IPv6 network will be invisible to big parts of the old internet.
Imagine that you are a company on the IPv6 network, would you be happy that big parts of the old net can't see you because their ISPs did not bother to set up NAT? Nope, you would try very hard to get rid of IPv6 and somehow obtain a few IPv4 addresses and NAT your network instead.
Now imagine that you are an ISP on the "old" internet. What motivates you to set up this NAT for your customers? Nothing, since no-one uses IPv6. It's a chicken and egg problem, with neither chicken nor egg wanting to be the first one.
That basically amounts to creating a second completely independent internet and hoping that all ISPs all around the world will decide to switch to it, with the investment it requires, although it initially won't bring them any benefits. Sorry, I don't think that would work in real world; even if the ISPs slowly start switching, what would we do in the mean time? You would first have to find some real incentive for the ISPs so they would switch as fast as possible.
Funny. Despite the amount of posts you have created here, you still don't realize where the real problem is. For any IPv4 host to reach your IPv6 hosts through protocol translation, you still need to have an IPv4 address. And this is a problem if there are no more IPv4 addresses available.
Try a thought experiment, you are an IPv4 host on the "old" internet, and you are trying to ping an IPv6 host behind protocol translation. What will you write to the command line? I would be interested to see how you would manage to answer this without the IPv6 host having an IPv4 address assigned as well.
Of course you are correct about all the routers and operating systems being IPv6 ready. But that is not the problem, accessing the old internet is the problem.
How refreshing to see one comment where someone does not show off their amazing multiply-by-two-thirds skillz.
Remember this case next time when you say that USA is a free country... You were, a long time ago, but not anymore.
I read an interesting book on the subject, by an African woman with first hand experience with aid (Dambisa Moyo: Dead Aid - Why Aid Is Not Working and How There Is a Better Way for Africa). It explains with how sending aid to poor countries often causes more problems then it solves. If you give something for free, you ruin the part of economy that provided the same thing for money. Then when the aid stops, there are no local producers to replace it. The countries become dependent on aid.
Of course this does not apply to emergency situations like the one in Haiti, where there was no local producer to produce enough food, shelter, water... But if there are local ISPs capable of providing internet access, then the NGOs should definitely use them, and not compete with them by maintaining their own network. That would give work to the local people, which in turn helps a bit in re-establishing the Haitian economy.
They are not mad, they just don't have a process for dealing with entities that lie in their application and have immense resources to make those lies appear as truth.
As a related rant, this is an universal problem in US and other western countries. You have never seen a really evil government in your lives, and you can't begin to imagine what it looks like. You think Obama/Bush/whoever is evil, when they are just misguided, dishonest or stupid. A really evil government does not bother about trying to answer, they just send the troops to make questions go away.
On one hand Firefox will annoy to hell if you access a site with self-signed certificate, on the other hand they make you trust the Chinese government by default. Personally I trust a self-signed certificate million times more then a certificate signed by the Chinese authority. And any other authority is only marginally better then self-signed, since they will issue a certificate to basically anyone with minimum checking.
With the self signed one at least I know they are not trying to fool me, and I know whether site certificate has changed since my last visit. With "trusted" certificate you don't gain any more certainty than that, in fact you gain less because the certificate can change without you even noticing.
2+2 probably/appears to be 5
2+2 NO WAY can be 5
Those "independently" funded studies of course include studies paid for by "green" organizations that have an agenda of their own. If you separate industry funded reports, you also have to separate those, otherwise your results are completely bogus.
It does to you, since you are used to it. To me it makes sense this way. The 100 coefficient is just used to make the numbers "nicer", nothing else.
Anyway, l/100 km is not about fuel efficiency, it is about fuel consumption. It says that if you plan to go Y km, you need to have Y liters of fuel.
Saying one way makes sense and the other not is like saying that period makes more sense then frequency.
We don't actually measure fuel consumption in km/l in Europe. Writing 98 km/l is even less informative then 230 mpg :). But thanks for the effort anyway.
That would likely be because IE works like crap with this site.
There, fixed that for you.
If they did it consciously, then I am sure they have two versions of the pages -- one standards compliant for compliant browsers and one for IE6. Now they only need to drop the IE6 version and think what to do with the free time they gained by not having to maintain it anymore.
Ideal for developers who work on huge projects. You can put all your .o files and the compiled binary on the RAM disk and the compilation/linking performance should be marvelous. And if there is a power failure, you can always just recompile everything. I will seriously consider getting one of these...
Huh, if you once copied a 1GB movie over 100Mb vs. 1Gb network, you would know the difference. Obviously you don't see it if you are just copying 5kB text files...