You consider $79 cheap?
A replacement battery for a phones usually costs something like $10-$20. Replacing a battery should take maybe 10 minutes on a phone that is not especially designed to make replacing the battery hard. So you're paying more than $60 for 10 minutes of work. That's not cheap.
Compared with the price of a new phone, yes, $79 is fucking REALLY cheap.
Oh, and these aren't batteries that you can go buy at Batteries+. So don't try to insult us by comparing the highly-specific, top-of-battery-tech Smartphone's "pancake" battery with a AA-form-factor cordless telephone battery pack you can buy off the rack at Walmart.
And these phones aren't specifically designed to make battery replacement hard. They are specifically designed to make the phones THIN. I don't want to get into a philosophical discussion regarding that. I just put it out there as a fact.
At some point this could have been an object lesson in the risks of carelessly handling lithium batteries, a lesson that should have been learned when those Boeing Dreamliners caught on fire. Rapidly charging and overcharging these batteries is a bad idea, all of the engineers know this.
But apparently, Samsung's engineers are subject to (IMHO) Korea's overly-hierarchical society (remember the Korean Airlines plane that drove into the runway, because the co-Pilot WOULDN'T countermand the Pilot's incorrect flying), and thus were silent when their bosses made them attempt to charge their nearly 4,000 mAh battery in the same time as the iPhone's 2,000 mAh one (seriously overheating and permanently-damaging the battery), rather than admit that their Piece of SHIT, battery-hog design (that, despite having nearly TWICE the battery, only BARELY got more battery life than the iPhone 7, and actually LESS than the iPhone 7 Plus) would ACTUALLY TAKE FOUR HOURS to charge.
That really is the long and short of it.
So yeah, everyone is "dogpiling" on to Samsung; because they have released (apparently a whole product line) that IS a "dogpile".
As for touch disease, sure, it needs investigating, but mentioning it in this conversation is like bringing up the zit on your conversation partner's face when they point out that you urgently need to go to the hospital.
So called "Touch Disease" doesn't "need investigating". It is a simple Contract-Manufacturer PRODUCTION issue.
You can Google similar "Touch Disease" (more difficult to do, since it hasn't been given a catchy name) for MANY devices, including phones, tablets, and laptops, for MANY years, It is a SOLDERING problem, caused by large Ball-Grid-Array (BGA) IC packages and either poor IR reflow soldering, contaminated PC boards, or warped PC boards. It is NOT a "Design Defect", as some have opined. It is a PRODUCTION problem. Period.
Nothing to see here, move along. If you want to take your iPhone apart, and you're careful, you can probably fix it with a heat gun.
You're partially right - I just cut and pasted. I had no intent on making a dissertation. I intentionally went back 5 years to show that it has *always* been happening. There are far more battery anomalies than just those that hit the headlines, but I 'm sure you knew that. That's why I also pointed out that it happens to all manufacturers. (It's easier to name a brand or device and "explodes" to get results, hence my choice of a single brand name with a lot of handsets)
Don't excuse a lie with another lie.
You were specifically attempting to support the post that said "iPhones should be banned, because they catch fire, too". If you were trying to show that ALL brands have an occasional battery runaway, you would have posted links for several manufacturers, since you freely admit that it happens to ALL manufacturers (which is true). But instead, you focused on iPhone examples, and ONLY iPhone examples (having to go back FIVE YEARS) in an attempt to "prove" the poster that specifically mentioned iPhones.
By the clustering of dates in your "Citations", that looks like about one or two incidents PER YEAR, spread over FIVE YEARS (not to mention the DUPLICATE "Citations" you included); so I would say your "couple of orders of magnitude" difference between iPhones exhibiting thermal runaway and GN7s doing the same, is quite conservative.
Now, if only we could get a similar ban on iPhones, which also have a history of catching fire. It certainly is telling that the government is quick to crack down on a Korean company, but the FTC won't so anything to Apple, an American company, about touch disease.
Prove it, Hater, or STFU and FOAD.
And no, an isolated incident (which can be found for almost ANY Li-ion equipped device) does not count.
100 such incidents in a month or so for ONE device? Now THAT counts!
Well, those people were using android, so they were kinda asking for it.
More than likely, they were downloading apk files for commercial apps from whatever site they got in a search result. This is the direct equivalent of all the mac users that got hit with malware when they installed cracked copies of photoshop a few years ago.
You can crack a iphone too, and also install things from outside the walled garden, which of course puts you at risk.
But what's curious, is that iOS has absolutely allowed full-on "Sideloading" for a couple of YEARS now, (in fact, there is a Mac/Windows Application called "Cydia Impactor" that doesn't require Jailbreaking, nor a Mac with XCode) and yet, other than that old Bootleg iLife installation (IIRC, that happened long BEFORE the legit Sideloading), you don't hear about the Exploit du Jour with iOS like you do with Android. Why? Surely there are enough people taking advantage of that "Freedom" that there would have been at least SOME exploits by now. But the only one that comes to mind is that short-lived tainted version of XCode that circulated in China a couple of years ago. And that was actually OS X being Trojaned, not iOS, per se. The difference being that OS X (macOS) has always allowed Applications from anywhere (plus it's not iOS); so that doesn't "count".
So, what is fundamentally different between the two platforms that would cause this huge difference? Not marketshare: There are PLENTY of iOS devices (and their typically higher-income owners) to make it worthwhile, especially in the identity-theft arena. Not user-IQ: No matter the platform, there's a Seeker born every minute. So what? Did Apple (who most Slashdotters think are all about "restricting access") actually figure out how to allow full-on Sideloading in a SAFE manner, or is iOS somehow immune-by-design to Trojans (really, how could that be?), or what?
I am not trolling. It's a serious question. Does anyone with deep insight into BOTH platforms know why the ability to Sideload Apps hasn't caused rampant malware on iOS like it undeniably has on Android?
To you, maybe. Apparently you have cheap and ready access to all the environments you need to be productive in your career. I assure you that VR is alive and well for cost-effective and safe training in aviation, surgery, deep sea diving, and other costly and risky work environments. A pilot can safely practice single-engine instrument approaches to minimums in a VR simulator, for instance. Maybe you want to do that in a real aircraft, but I don't.
Perhaps I wasn't specific enough. What I should have said was: "At the Consumer-Level, VR is little more than a nausea-inducing fad".
So, what exactly do you see that is the same? I see the generic phone icon...and that is about it. Everything else that is not dictated by purpose looks entirely different. Sorry, but the location of the speaker grill is kind of a universal for phones, and rounded corners are still a normal thing.
Oh please. Just like the first iPhone and its Samsung doppelgänger, from 6 ft. Away, you simply can't reliable pick which one is the iPhone and which is the Samsung. Both the overall design and the UI are just THAT similar.
...that there is a dichotomy between VR and AR. They are not mutually exclusive, any more than fruit and footwear are mutually exclusive. VR and AR don't compete, either; they have different applications. The intent of VR is not to emulate human interaction, but to artificially immerse people in environments to which most don't have ready access: flight simulation, museum tours, product design, etc. The purpose of AR is to overlay information on everyone's existing experience: navigation, shopping, and the like.
Move along.
And the difference is, one is little mire than a nausea-inducing fad, and the other actually has real-world applications.
Torture them! torture! death! prison! Freedom! America! Nation! I am a progressive liberal. VOTE GREEN FOR MORE WAR! Or vote any other bourgeois party! BUT GREEN IS THE BEST IF YOU WANT GREAT WARS!!!!! You will be at peace with it.
apple is an embarrassment to the tech industry; all the "FACTS" in the world wont make apple the kind of company some people want to support. . And thats a real fact.
Thing is, my FACTS Don't need to be enclosed in quotation marks. But yours do.
53 models in one year? What are you talking about? There are 5 Samsung smartphones.
You're right. I stand corrected. It wasn't 53 new models in one year. IT WAS FIFTY-SIX!!!And that was a short two years ago; so you'd better have that brain checked for early onset dementia.
And no, it hasn't. In fact, Even though my screen is severely shattered from a 5 foot fall face down to a hard floor, to the point of being completely separated from the case, and with internal components exposed where parts of the glass have broken away leaving about a 1/2Inch square HOLE (for almost two years now!), the digitizer, display, and everything else works perfectly, so I haven't bothered to fix it.
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You consider $79 cheap? A replacement battery for a phones usually costs something like $10-$20. Replacing a battery should take maybe 10 minutes on a phone that is not especially designed to make replacing the battery hard. So you're paying more than $60 for 10 minutes of work. That's not cheap.
Compared with the price of a new phone, yes, $79 is fucking REALLY cheap.
Oh, and these aren't batteries that you can go buy at Batteries+. So don't try to insult us by comparing the highly-specific, top-of-battery-tech Smartphone's "pancake" battery with a AA-form-factor cordless telephone battery pack you can buy off the rack at Walmart.
And these phones aren't specifically designed to make battery replacement hard. They are specifically designed to make the phones THIN. I don't want to get into a philosophical discussion regarding that. I just put it out there as a fact.
At some point this could have been an object lesson in the risks of carelessly handling lithium batteries, a lesson that should have been learned when those Boeing Dreamliners caught on fire. Rapidly charging and overcharging these batteries is a bad idea, all of the engineers know this.
But apparently, Samsung's engineers are subject to (IMHO) Korea's overly-hierarchical society (remember the Korean Airlines plane that drove into the runway, because the co-Pilot WOULDN'T countermand the Pilot's incorrect flying), and thus were silent when their bosses made them attempt to charge their nearly 4,000 mAh battery in the same time as the iPhone's 2,000 mAh one (seriously overheating and permanently-damaging the battery), rather than admit that their Piece of SHIT, battery-hog design (that, despite having nearly TWICE the battery, only BARELY got more battery life than the iPhone 7, and actually LESS than the iPhone 7 Plus) would ACTUALLY TAKE FOUR HOURS to charge.
That really is the long and short of it.
So yeah, everyone is "dogpiling" on to Samsung; because they have released (apparently a whole product line) that IS a "dogpile".
As for touch disease, sure, it needs investigating, but mentioning it in this conversation is like bringing up the zit on your conversation partner's face when they point out that you urgently need to go to the hospital.
So called "Touch Disease" doesn't "need investigating". It is a simple Contract-Manufacturer PRODUCTION issue.
You can Google similar "Touch Disease" (more difficult to do, since it hasn't been given a catchy name) for MANY devices, including phones, tablets, and laptops, for MANY years, It is a SOLDERING problem, caused by large Ball-Grid-Array (BGA) IC packages and either poor IR reflow soldering, contaminated PC boards, or warped PC boards. It is NOT a "Design Defect", as some have opined. It is a PRODUCTION problem. Period.
Nothing to see here, move along. If you want to take your iPhone apart, and you're careful, you can probably fix it with a heat gun.
You're partially right - I just cut and pasted. I had no intent on making a dissertation. I intentionally went back 5 years to show that it has *always* been happening. There are far more battery anomalies than just those that hit the headlines, but I 'm sure you knew that. That's why I also pointed out that it happens to all manufacturers. (It's easier to name a brand or device and "explodes" to get results, hence my choice of a single brand name with a lot of handsets)
Don't excuse a lie with another lie.
You were specifically attempting to support the post that said "iPhones should be banned, because they catch fire, too". If you were trying to show that ALL brands have an occasional battery runaway, you would have posted links for several manufacturers, since you freely admit that it happens to ALL manufacturers (which is true). But instead, you focused on iPhone examples, and ONLY iPhone examples (having to go back FIVE YEARS) in an attempt to "prove" the poster that specifically mentioned iPhones.
So don't deny being a Hater; just own up to it.
Dat butt hurt so soooo strong son!
You're right. But Samsung is doing their best to make it up to their customers.
By the clustering of dates in your "Citations", that looks like about one or two incidents PER YEAR, spread over FIVE YEARS (not to mention the DUPLICATE "Citations" you included); so I would say your "couple of orders of magnitude" difference between iPhones exhibiting thermal runaway and GN7s doing the same, is quite conservative.
Now, if only we could get a similar ban on iPhones, which also have a history of catching fire. It certainly is telling that the government is quick to crack down on a Korean company, but the FTC won't so anything to Apple, an American company, about touch disease.
Prove it, Hater, or STFU and FOAD.
And no, an isolated incident (which can be found for almost ANY Li-ion equipped device) does not count.
100 such incidents in a month or so for ONE device? Now THAT counts!
Well, those people were using android, so they were kinda asking for it.
More than likely, they were downloading apk files for commercial apps from whatever site they got in a search result. This is the direct equivalent of all the mac users that got hit with malware when they installed cracked copies of photoshop a few years ago.
You can crack a iphone too, and also install things from outside the walled garden, which of course puts you at risk.
But what's curious, is that iOS has absolutely allowed full-on "Sideloading" for a couple of YEARS now, (in fact, there is a Mac/Windows Application called "Cydia Impactor" that doesn't require Jailbreaking, nor a Mac with XCode) and yet, other than that old Bootleg iLife installation (IIRC, that happened long BEFORE the legit Sideloading), you don't hear about the Exploit du Jour with iOS like you do with Android. Why? Surely there are enough people taking advantage of that "Freedom" that there would have been at least SOME exploits by now. But the only one that comes to mind is that short-lived tainted version of XCode that circulated in China a couple of years ago. And that was actually OS X being Trojaned, not iOS, per se. The difference being that OS X (macOS) has always allowed Applications from anywhere (plus it's not iOS); so that doesn't "count".
So, what is fundamentally different between the two platforms that would cause this huge difference? Not marketshare: There are PLENTY of iOS devices (and their typically higher-income owners) to make it worthwhile, especially in the identity-theft arena. Not user-IQ: No matter the platform, there's a Seeker born every minute. So what? Did Apple (who most Slashdotters think are all about "restricting access") actually figure out how to allow full-on Sideloading in a SAFE manner, or is iOS somehow immune-by-design to Trojans (really, how could that be?), or what?
I am not trolling. It's a serious question. Does anyone with deep insight into BOTH platforms know why the ability to Sideload Apps hasn't caused rampant malware on iOS like it undeniably has on Android?
lol, you are a real hypocrite
I don't think that word means what you think it means.
Fuck off, dirty Apple troll.
Following me around, eh? That's the third nearly identical post by an AC against me in a very short period of time. Methinks it's the same COWARD.
A lot of people would find such obsessive behavior a sign of mental illness, ya know...
Login and face the same Karmic Justice as I do, or FUCK OFF AND DIE, COWARD!!!
Fuck off, Apple troll.
So, pray tell how that is supposed to be a factual rebuttal to my post?
Eat shit, Apple troll.
Can't stand it when one of your favorite Hater memes is demonstrably proven completely false, can you?
To you, maybe. Apparently you have cheap and ready access to all the environments you need to be productive in your career. I assure you that VR is alive and well for cost-effective and safe training in aviation, surgery, deep sea diving, and other costly and risky work environments. A pilot can safely practice single-engine instrument approaches to minimums in a VR simulator, for instance. Maybe you want to do that in a real aircraft, but I don't.
Perhaps I wasn't specific enough. What I should have said was: "At the Consumer-Level, VR is little more than a nausea-inducing fad".
So, what exactly do you see that is the same? I see the generic phone icon...and that is about it. Everything else that is not dictated by purpose looks entirely different. Sorry, but the location of the speaker grill is kind of a universal for phones, and rounded corners are still a normal thing.
Oh please. Just like the first iPhone and its Samsung doppelgänger, from 6 ft. Away, you simply can't reliable pick which one is the iPhone and which is the Samsung. Both the overall design and the UI are just THAT similar.
...that there is a dichotomy between VR and AR. They are not mutually exclusive, any more than fruit and footwear are mutually exclusive. VR and AR don't compete, either; they have different applications. The intent of VR is not to emulate human interaction, but to artificially immerse people in environments to which most don't have ready access: flight simulation, museum tours, product design, etc. The purpose of AR is to overlay information on everyone's existing experience: navigation, shopping, and the like. Move along.
And the difference is, one is little mire than a nausea-inducing fad, and the other actually has real-world applications.
Troll? C'mon! That was funny! These Apple fanbois and their iDoll worship, I'll tell ya...
That was actually a good pun!
Torture them! torture! death! prison! Freedom! America! Nation! I am a progressive liberal. VOTE GREEN FOR MORE WAR! Or vote any other bourgeois party! BUT GREEN IS THE BEST IF YOU WANT GREAT WARS!!!!! You will be at peace with it.
Ramp back on the Adderall Dood!
Are you doing home electroshock treatments again?
Yeah, why?
Up the voltage!
apple is an embarrassment to the tech industry; all the "FACTS" in the world wont make apple the kind of company some people want to support. . And thats a real fact.
Thing is, my FACTS Don't need to be enclosed in quotation marks. But yours do.
I didn't say you couldn't buy a card or docking station with those ports; but that isn't the same and you know it.
53 models in one year? What are you talking about? There are 5 Samsung smartphones.
You're right. I stand corrected. It wasn't 53 new models in one year. IT WAS FIFTY-SIX!!! And that was a short two years ago; so you'd better have that brain checked for early onset dementia.
Hasn't your touchscreen quit working yet?
Well, in any case go away.
Nice, factual rebuttal there, bub.
And no, it hasn't. In fact, Even though my screen is severely shattered from a 5 foot fall face down to a hard floor, to the point of being completely separated from the case, and with internal components exposed where parts of the glass have broken away leaving about a 1/2Inch square HOLE (for almost two years now!), the digitizer, display, and everything else works perfectly, so I haven't bothered to fix it.
Just git, loser.
That's what I like about Slashdot: Intelligent, fact-based discourse.
Leave the thread, preacher man. You have nothing relevant to add. Go fling shit out of your cage in another thread.
Leave the thread, preacher man. You have nothing relevant to add. Go fling shit out of your cage in another thread.
So sez the COWARD. Log in and fight Like a man, COWARD, or SHUT. THE. FUCK. UP.
Just get out of this thread with your off topic Apple preaching.
We all know how much you love Apple. It doesn't pertain to this discussion. Go away.
Awwww. Poor widdle AC can dish it out but you can't take it; ESPECIALLY when PROVEN WRONG, eh?
then the backdoors are there, they are just exclusive to apple for now
Prove it, or STFU.