... ack! While I love my Surface Pro 3, it is fragile, broken, and just not even a good hardware experience for the price paid.
On the other hand I have an iPad w/ Retina Display (iPad v4) that is still working after having been literally thrown into the street and broken. My Surface fell from a 1ft distance and shattered, needing to be replaced!
I agree with Consumer Reports! Don't buy a Microsoft product. Even the Surface accessories, for their price, are cheaply made and prone to breakage.
Well, "excuse me", for tamping on your happy deluded Apple Fanboi Day. Lol, my comment wasn't even a slight against Apple, so if you take it that way, maybe you should grow another layer of skin. Like any good professional I own all kinds of equipment, and "excuse me" if I can't say something truthful.
You're right, Apple has continued to support the top-of-its-line computers all the while dropping support for it's lower-end units on a continuing basis. And while they may "upgrade" some hardware with the "latest", it often may not function with the same level of compatibility it did with previous iterations. Take for example any older iOS device, or even older desktop Macs (of which I own a couple).
I don't suppose your Mac Fanboism will allow you to step back, take off the rose-colored glasses, and realize that Microsoft is just going down the same road as Apple by drawing a line at a certain level of hardware support. For better or worse, that is the case ATM. Unlike Apple, Microsoft will have to work with its distributors or die, so that likely means continued support for older hardware overtime.. unlike Apple, which kills it dead and you're stuck.
I don't post regularly here, but clearly the quality of/. reader has gone down in the last 20 years, along with it's "reporting".
I didn't think we could do any worse than that. I have a Surface Pro 3 which regularly has missing icons, as far as I've experience since they released a beta this has been an on and off issue. I always hated Apple for their quickly dropping hardware as "supported", it seems I need to readjust my expectations of Microsoft now.
Windows 10 is a constant stream of lackluster "improvements". All a person has to do is open the "settings" to realize you still need a Control Panel, but in their infinite wisdom Microsoft doesn't give you quick and easy access to that now.
This whole upgrade strategy is bizarre if you ask me.
Apple says, in actual advertising, not a blog post; "iPad Pro Super. Computer. In Two Sizes". Every time people look at an iPad Pro I'm sure the Cray X or Y series comes to mind, absolutely! It's garbage journalism to say that just because a tablet is sold without a keyboard initially it can't be a "laptop", just like its silly to honestly believe you can do real computing on an iPad.. but your shiny new sans-keyboard Surface actually can.
Maybe Microsoft should advertise the Surface as a "Super. Computer!".. oh right, it's a tablet, not a real computer.
They built the ability to search through plans. It was verifying data, allowing for applications. Or for that matter of any further use.
Healthcare.gov does more than just list plans by type and state.
There's enough evidence that moving, flashing, and otherwise annoying advertisements do little for your concentration. They can even effect your brain long after viewing a Web page. Block all advertising for your own good unless said advertising is already party of video content or guarantees to only serve static images.
I really like my WP7. It's simple and straight-to-the point in how it gets the job done. The MS Office integration between desktop 2010 and WP7 using live is excellent and I don't think it would be easy to live without now that it's something in my phone!
My biggest complaint is that lack of "ease" of integration with Windows 7. The Zune software is really crappy. Additionally not being able to link with bluetooth is silly, really the phone should be able to do everything over BT but instead it's a pointless addition to any WP7 handset.
Otherwise I have been really impressed by the WP7. I bought it not knowing what I'd get and have been more than pleasantly surprised.
Exactly what I was going to say; "Where is the parenting". Too many people don't think through things at all. Giving a young child a smart phone and unlimited access to a credit card and then turning the consequences on the companies providing you services just means you're a dumb parent.
Most common phrase over the last 20 years? "It wasn't my fault! They're responsible! *pointing finger somewhere else*"
If you're serious about your statement, then it should be thought over again.
God demands faith, but over and over again has proved to us why we should follow him. It's immaterial if you believe in the Bible or not because the Christian believer does and in those documents we see proof of the existance of god through events that are outside of our understanding. God does not demand blind faith, but demands informed faith. The catch22 here is that according to the Bible if you choose to look the other way you'll just end up the loser anyhow.
I'm not a proponent of the intelligent design camp. I'm not a liberal christian. Although, it's obvious that if you believe in a "higher" being that if they endowed us with such abilities as reason and curiousity that it would naturally lead to some form of science. As we have found out over the years, the universe can be described in scientific constructs. Only the idiot says that proof kills faith. There's nothing in the Bible demanding humans not strive for greatness, but that they do it in a way that bestows the proper recognition upon the one being that gave them what it took to get where they were.
So often, humanity claims they're were they are because they did it on their own steam.
Guess someone has to pickup where Apple leaves off, it's just too bad that Apple is so set in not continuing all those years of solid UI studies they funded and documented themselves.
Seems to me everyone has got off topic from the very start, since the question wasn't can it compete with Windows but will it be able to compete among other linux distros. And, from what I can tell without a singular vision for the desktop, delivering a consistent experience to the user is almost impossible.
Ubuntu as a desktop has many, many frailties that will seriously cripple it for anyone not willing to put alot of effort into configuring their desktop distribution. My experience with Ubuntu was that it assumed alot about my computer after installation, like that I wanted all kinds of software loaded for HP printers, IBM thinkpad keyboard shortcuts and that I had an nVidia card in my machine.
The default installation crashed several times in a row, once during partitioning which caused further headaches. What I found upon inspection was that it was due to the fact that it used the ATI driver, which has a bug causing random crashes on my version of the ATI 9700Pro.
Lastly there seems to be these large blocks of dependencies in the ubuntu package archive. I assume that they do this to make a persons life "easier", when in reality it has only caused alot of troubles. I don't have a CD-Burner on my desktop, but in order to have the ubuntu desktop installed I must have CD-Burning software constantly running in the background, causing not only uneeded load but wasted memory. If a person even notices this and goes to uninstall those one or two, or more most likely, pieces of software that don't jive with their desktop then you're going to be told you don't need the rest of your desktop?! huh!
I have had a hard time finding a reason for a corporation, or even a user, to use the Ubuntu distribution. If a person must have the ubuntu label, Xubuntu is a better solution than the vanilla Ubuntu. Better even yet is just to stick with Debian, which makes none of the assumptions ubuntu does about your hardware or software needs.
-Nathan
Most of the benchmarking takes place after the CLR loads up, which is why they can say that. For short stuff though, just the load time of the CLR to load the python interpreter can easily kill your start to finish times.
I mean a fully functional multi-purpose computing/entertainment/communication/creation device. For some people Windows XP fits this definition with the addition of a few software titles. For me and mine Linux fits this definition and fits it better and cheaper.
And you're entitled to believe that, but someone elses belief doesn't make them a troll.
I said fully right. What I don't expect is it to play every Windows DirectX10 game the day it comes out. Eventually, odds are good, unless it is a MS title, we'll get it running. Better still we convince the publishers that we BUY Linux Binaries, I bought UT2004 and Quake4 and Doom3. I'd buy more. Wine takes care of the rest.
And I said 'native', Wine doesn't count as a native application. Developers are entitled to be rewarded for the work they put into developing games by their users paying for them. Just because there's a review on Tom's doesn't mean though that Linux will be coming out of the closet anytime soon. The Macintosh is infinitely more capable of providing those sorts of services (with a larger userbase) and there still is not any sort of critical mass there.
Spoken like someone who doesn't recall how truly difficult everything was not so long ago in linux. We've come a long way, really really fast. I find it better. It may not be perfect but niether are the alternatives, I trust the forward momentum in this lane. Not only that I get to help if I want.
I never said linux hasn't come far, but let's face it it's still playing catchup to everything else out there. There's some nifty things available on a linux desktop, but none of it comes easily or even intuitively most of the time(being intuitive is more important than easy imo).
http://kanotix.com/ Just works, off the CD, I wonder if the Vista DVD will be like that. The laptop I refer to in the parent post runs it 24/7.
I suppose if you view linux as a beta operating system you can legitimately compare it to Vista. And, yes, Linux is extremely versatile, allowing things like DVD booting, but that sort of functionality hardly defines an operating system. Although, you can do a CD boot in XP.
My whole point was that as a whole package linux still isn't even ready for primetime in the respects of the original post, and probably never will. While it is a reliable day-to-day desktop for average tasks, it is not a solution for the average day-to-day advanced user. The simple fact that game card developers don't actively support their cards under the platform, or that game developers don't release games to the platform even simultaneously says alot. Both of these types of developers apparently don't view the platform as either mature enough, or available in enough mass to make their products worthy of top-notch support.
*shrug* all of this is opinion derived from observation. And, of course, opinions are like a backside -- everyone has one, and they usually stink.
It's hardly a troll.
What's more important to define this is what exactly you mean by "desktop linux". If you define it as running office applications, browsing the web and keeping in touch through email, then Linux is less of a hobby and more of a reality. With distribution like Ubuntu, assuming you run all the non-written suggested hardware, you can have a fully functional and perfectly sane Linux desktop.
Although, if you define "desktop linux" as being able to play native 3D games reliably, then desktop linux is almost entirely a hobbiest system still. People that want that sort of desktop will more than likely be interested in systems like XGL and their choices of easily compatible hardware are more restricted, add on top of that all kinds of potential conflicts with software, etc.
The simple fact remains that other than installing a linux machine, not much more has become easier. The desktop environments are richer, and with a graphical package system installing software into is easier. But, the overall 'experience' of desktop linux still requires a higher technical skill than even many pc gamers are willing to invest enough time into learning.
Maybe it's the rabid 'linux ftw' people who are instead trolls. Some people really do just like to turn on their machine and find it works. Windows offers that, and still will for some time over linux.
Maybe you need to think again. Just because someone gets a 'free' meal everyday doesn't mean they have rights. If all you equate to rights is the fact that someone survives and they don't pay for it, then you are sorely mistaken.
At the end of the day where does that felon have to go? Unless you consider going home to Brun, your 6'10" boyfriend is something so wonderful. Hey, maybe it is.. I don't swing that way, and very happy to have that choice. Even if it means I have to work 70hrs/weekly.
Felons have rights? News to me;) Commit a crime against society in general and you lose your right to claim rights, until such a time as you have redeemed yourself in the eyes of the law.
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... ack! While I love my Surface Pro 3, it is fragile, broken, and just not even a good hardware experience for the price paid.
On the other hand I have an iPad w/ Retina Display (iPad v4) that is still working after having been literally thrown into the street and broken. My Surface fell from a 1ft distance and shattered, needing to be replaced!
I agree with Consumer Reports! Don't buy a Microsoft product. Even the Surface accessories, for their price, are cheaply made and prone to breakage.
Well, "excuse me", for tamping on your happy deluded Apple Fanboi Day. Lol, my comment wasn't even a slight against Apple, so if you take it that way, maybe you should grow another layer of skin. Like any good professional I own all kinds of equipment, and "excuse me" if I can't say something truthful.
You're right, Apple has continued to support the top-of-its-line computers all the while dropping support for it's lower-end units on a continuing basis. And while they may "upgrade" some hardware with the "latest", it often may not function with the same level of compatibility it did with previous iterations. Take for example any older iOS device, or even older desktop Macs (of which I own a couple).
I don't suppose your Mac Fanboism will allow you to step back, take off the rose-colored glasses, and realize that Microsoft is just going down the same road as Apple by drawing a line at a certain level of hardware support. For better or worse, that is the case ATM. Unlike Apple, Microsoft will have to work with its distributors or die, so that likely means continued support for older hardware overtime.. unlike Apple, which kills it dead and you're stuck.
I don't post regularly here, but clearly the quality of /. reader has gone down in the last 20 years, along with it's "reporting".
I didn't think we could do any worse than that. I have a Surface Pro 3 which regularly has missing icons, as far as I've experience since they released a beta this has been an on and off issue. I always hated Apple for their quickly dropping hardware as "supported", it seems I need to readjust my expectations of Microsoft now.
Windows 10 is a constant stream of lackluster "improvements". All a person has to do is open the "settings" to realize you still need a Control Panel, but in their infinite wisdom Microsoft doesn't give you quick and easy access to that now.
This whole upgrade strategy is bizarre if you ask me.
Apple says, in actual advertising, not a blog post; "iPad Pro Super. Computer. In Two Sizes". Every time people look at an iPad Pro I'm sure the Cray X or Y series comes to mind, absolutely! It's garbage journalism to say that just because a tablet is sold without a keyboard initially it can't be a "laptop", just like its silly to honestly believe you can do real computing on an iPad.. but your shiny new sans-keyboard Surface actually can.
Maybe Microsoft should advertise the Surface as a "Super. Computer!".. oh right, it's a tablet, not a real computer.
They built the ability to search through plans. It was verifying data, allowing for applications. Or for that matter of any further use. Healthcare.gov does more than just list plans by type and state.
There's enough evidence that moving, flashing, and otherwise annoying advertisements do little for your concentration. They can even effect your brain long after viewing a Web page. Block all advertising for your own good unless said advertising is already party of video content or guarantees to only serve static images.
I really like my WP7. It's simple and straight-to-the point in how it gets the job done. The MS Office integration between desktop 2010 and WP7 using live is excellent and I don't think it would be easy to live without now that it's something in my phone! My biggest complaint is that lack of "ease" of integration with Windows 7. The Zune software is really crappy. Additionally not being able to link with bluetooth is silly, really the phone should be able to do everything over BT but instead it's a pointless addition to any WP7 handset. Otherwise I have been really impressed by the WP7. I bought it not knowing what I'd get and have been more than pleasantly surprised.
Exactly what I was going to say; "Where is the parenting". Too many people don't think through things at all. Giving a young child a smart phone and unlimited access to a credit card and then turning the consequences on the companies providing you services just means you're a dumb parent.
Most common phrase over the last 20 years? "It wasn't my fault! They're responsible! *pointing finger somewhere else*"
If you're serious about your statement, then it should be thought over again. God demands faith, but over and over again has proved to us why we should follow him. It's immaterial if you believe in the Bible or not because the Christian believer does and in those documents we see proof of the existance of god through events that are outside of our understanding. God does not demand blind faith, but demands informed faith. The catch22 here is that according to the Bible if you choose to look the other way you'll just end up the loser anyhow. I'm not a proponent of the intelligent design camp. I'm not a liberal christian. Although, it's obvious that if you believe in a "higher" being that if they endowed us with such abilities as reason and curiousity that it would naturally lead to some form of science. As we have found out over the years, the universe can be described in scientific constructs. Only the idiot says that proof kills faith. There's nothing in the Bible demanding humans not strive for greatness, but that they do it in a way that bestows the proper recognition upon the one being that gave them what it took to get where they were. So often, humanity claims they're were they are because they did it on their own steam.
Guess someone has to pickup where Apple leaves off, it's just too bad that Apple is so set in not continuing all those years of solid UI studies they funded and documented themselves.
Seems to me everyone has got off topic from the very start, since the question wasn't can it compete with Windows but will it be able to compete among other linux distros. And, from what I can tell without a singular vision for the desktop, delivering a consistent experience to the user is almost impossible. Ubuntu as a desktop has many, many frailties that will seriously cripple it for anyone not willing to put alot of effort into configuring their desktop distribution. My experience with Ubuntu was that it assumed alot about my computer after installation, like that I wanted all kinds of software loaded for HP printers, IBM thinkpad keyboard shortcuts and that I had an nVidia card in my machine. The default installation crashed several times in a row, once during partitioning which caused further headaches. What I found upon inspection was that it was due to the fact that it used the ATI driver, which has a bug causing random crashes on my version of the ATI 9700Pro. Lastly there seems to be these large blocks of dependencies in the ubuntu package archive. I assume that they do this to make a persons life "easier", when in reality it has only caused alot of troubles. I don't have a CD-Burner on my desktop, but in order to have the ubuntu desktop installed I must have CD-Burning software constantly running in the background, causing not only uneeded load but wasted memory. If a person even notices this and goes to uninstall those one or two, or more most likely, pieces of software that don't jive with their desktop then you're going to be told you don't need the rest of your desktop?! huh! I have had a hard time finding a reason for a corporation, or even a user, to use the Ubuntu distribution. If a person must have the ubuntu label, Xubuntu is a better solution than the vanilla Ubuntu. Better even yet is just to stick with Debian, which makes none of the assumptions ubuntu does about your hardware or software needs. -Nathan
Most of the benchmarking takes place after the CLR loads up, which is why they can say that. For short stuff though, just the load time of the CLR to load the python interpreter can easily kill your start to finish times.
I mean a fully functional multi-purpose computing/entertainment/communication/creation device. For some people Windows XP fits this definition with the addition of a few software titles. For me and mine Linux fits this definition and fits it better and cheaper.
And you're entitled to believe that, but someone elses belief doesn't make them a troll.
I said fully right. What I don't expect is it to play every Windows DirectX10 game the day it comes out. Eventually, odds are good, unless it is a MS title, we'll get it running. Better still we convince the publishers that we BUY Linux Binaries, I bought UT2004 and Quake4 and Doom3. I'd buy more. Wine takes care of the rest.
And I said 'native', Wine doesn't count as a native application. Developers are entitled to be rewarded for the work they put into developing games by their users paying for them. Just because there's a review on Tom's doesn't mean though that Linux will be coming out of the closet anytime soon. The Macintosh is infinitely more capable of providing those sorts of services (with a larger userbase) and there still is not any sort of critical mass there.
Spoken like someone who doesn't recall how truly difficult everything was not so long ago in linux. We've come a long way, really really fast. I find it better. It may not be perfect but niether are the alternatives, I trust the forward momentum in this lane. Not only that I get to help if I want.
I never said linux hasn't come far, but let's face it it's still playing catchup to everything else out there. There's some nifty things available on a linux desktop, but none of it comes easily or even intuitively most of the time(being intuitive is more important than easy imo).
http://kanotix.com/ Just works, off the CD, I wonder if the Vista DVD will be like that. The laptop I refer to in the parent post runs it 24/7.
I suppose if you view linux as a beta operating system you can legitimately compare it to Vista. And, yes, Linux is extremely versatile, allowing things like DVD booting, but that sort of functionality hardly defines an operating system. Although, you can do a CD boot in XP.
My whole point was that as a whole package linux still isn't even ready for primetime in the respects of the original post, and probably never will. While it is a reliable day-to-day desktop for average tasks, it is not a solution for the average day-to-day advanced user. The simple fact that game card developers don't actively support their cards under the platform, or that game developers don't release games to the platform even simultaneously says alot. Both of these types of developers apparently don't view the platform as either mature enough, or available in enough mass to make their products worthy of top-notch support.
*shrug* all of this is opinion derived from observation. And, of course, opinions are like a backside -- everyone has one, and they usually stink.
Nathan
It's hardly a troll. What's more important to define this is what exactly you mean by "desktop linux". If you define it as running office applications, browsing the web and keeping in touch through email, then Linux is less of a hobby and more of a reality. With distribution like Ubuntu, assuming you run all the non-written suggested hardware, you can have a fully functional and perfectly sane Linux desktop. Although, if you define "desktop linux" as being able to play native 3D games reliably, then desktop linux is almost entirely a hobbiest system still. People that want that sort of desktop will more than likely be interested in systems like XGL and their choices of easily compatible hardware are more restricted, add on top of that all kinds of potential conflicts with software, etc. The simple fact remains that other than installing a linux machine, not much more has become easier. The desktop environments are richer, and with a graphical package system installing software into is easier. But, the overall 'experience' of desktop linux still requires a higher technical skill than even many pc gamers are willing to invest enough time into learning. Maybe it's the rabid 'linux ftw' people who are instead trolls. Some people really do just like to turn on their machine and find it works. Windows offers that, and still will for some time over linux.
Maybe you need to think again. Just because someone gets a 'free' meal everyday doesn't mean they have rights. If all you equate to rights is the fact that someone survives and they don't pay for it, then you are sorely mistaken. At the end of the day where does that felon have to go? Unless you consider going home to Brun, your 6'10" boyfriend is something so wonderful. Hey, maybe it is.. I don't swing that way, and very happy to have that choice. Even if it means I have to work 70hrs/weekly.
Felons have rights? News to me ;) Commit a crime against society in general and you lose your right to claim rights, until such a time as you have redeemed yourself in the eyes of the law.