The real problems started in Australian politics when the christian fundys managed to get a guy into parliament
The real problem is that people think that all their problems can be solved by just getting the government to make everyone behave in the way they know to be best.
You could get every religious fundamentalist out of government and still lose all your freedom to the basic human desire to control what your neighbors are doing.
NOBODY STOLE THE DAMN PHONE ! Some Apple punkass lost it and steve just can't get over it ! Please stop the misinformation here, somebody
I'm assuming you are referring to the landmark case Finders v. Keepers? I thought we covered this a while ago. If you come across someone else's property and you cannot immediately identify who the owner is then you should turn it over to the police.
Just as a reminder, if you pay for property from a person you KNOW isn't authorized to sell it, you are a participant in theft. We might have sympathy for you if you didn't know that the property didn't belong to the person selling it, but in the GIZMODO case, the fact that the property wasn't his was the entire point!
Well, temperatures in Jupiter's atmosphere vary a lot. You've got areas with room temperature gasses at 10x atmospheric pressure, which is an environment suitable for multiple Earth-based critters.
The problem is that the areas with room temperature gas is just gas, and no trace of water.
I must be misinterpreting your comment. Can you explain how crashing a probe into a celestial body has LESS contamination risk than just letting it drift off into the void?
Generally, they crash it into a celestial body that has no capability to support life and, such as the case of Jupiter, is hostile to the biological processes of what could possibly contaminate it.
No life from Earth will survive in Jupiter's atmosphere. The pressure is... extreme beyond that of the extreme on Earth.
The pressure there would be 10,000 times greater than the pressure at the deepest point in Earth's ocean. 10,000,000 Earth Atmospheres compared to 1,000 in the Marianas Trench.
Then you have the temperature. The hottest spot on Earth (the core) is about 7300K. On the liquid 'surface' of Jupiter, it is 10,000k. The most extreme of the thermophiles on Earth live in an area less than 400k. The core of Jupiter is hotter than the surface of the Sun.
If you find me something that can survive 10,000k temperatures and 10 million atmospheres I'd bow down to my new overlord.
However, as soon as you start to assign numbers to this kind of stuff, the brain just sort of stops trying and you occasionally find yourself just kind of going "wow".
The emptyness of space never really got to me. What really baked my noodle was looking at a series of stars appear on my screen from a brown dwarf, past our star, and upwards to red giants like Betelgeuse.
Then I saw stars that made Betelgeuse look like Mercury compared to our Sun and I felt like I fell through the floor.
But I never got the sense of insignificance that most people say you should fell when looking at the universe. The sizes boggled me, but never in a way that made me feel insignificant, it almost had the opposite effect on me, which I suppose is a bit weird.
Probably not even remotely possible due to its size, but a similar problem seems to have been created in Kiruna, in Sweden. The town sits on top of the world's largest iron ore mine, and the mine has created a large cavity under the town. They are moving everything, in some cases, literally brick by brick.
Just because you are entitled to use a piece of software, doesn't mean that Blizzard and Valve aren't entitled to ban you from using their service for whatever reason they decide.
It won't. A gas giant is a star that never happened. There' no do-over whereby a gas giant might become a star subsequently.
Not for Jupiter, but it likely happens all the time in the rest of the galaxy.
From what I remember, fusion occurs somewhere from 15-75 Jupiter-Masses (Mj). If you had a gas giant with 95% of that mass it could consume the remainder necessary for its gravity to become strong enough to start a continuous fusion reaction. Fusion likely does occur with smaller objects, but not on stellar scales/timelines and likely with deuterium instead of just Hydrogen (which fuses more near the 75 Mj mark).
Interestingly, a star that is just large enough to begin fusing hydrogen will look smaller than Jupiter due to the increased gravity pulling all the gas in.
The mechanic should occur, since it is the same mechanic we observe for a type of supernova in which a near-supernova capable sized white-dwarf pulls matter from a smaller partner in a binary system.
I wouldn't be surprised if you had near-brown dwarf sized gas giants tripping the limit by pulling in extra matter (even other gas giants)
Er, no. "All men are created equal", does not imply "all men remain equal in every respect".
And, as much as it might be convenient to an argument we want to make in a case like this, I don't think anyone here really wants to live in a world in which the trier of fact in a legal case is bound to treat all witnesses as equally credible without being free to make judgements about potential bias, indicators of honesty, training and experience relevant to the assessments of facts the witness is presenting, etc.
I've held a TS/SCI clearance and had Yankee White access and I still couldn't go before a judge and have them believe my word to be equal to that of a traffic cop.
Frankly, it's bullshit. The cop's job doesn't make him any more honest than any other person.
Neither is, with some training, estimating approximate speeds for a narrow class of objects (e.g., "cars") under very specific situations (e.g., "being observed from rest from the roadside"). Surprisingly enough, its fairly common for traffic police to be trained in that skill.
In that case, an innocent person was put to death because being 'trained in that skill' usually means the older guy saying 'Yeah, the new guy can do this.'
Regardless of the merit of this case, don't you think it's just a bit early to come with this magic market libertarian stuff as we are still in the midst of a major financial crisis caused by massive deregulation?
I am not bothered by the fact that you exist; I am seriously concerned, however, that there was one person to mod you insightful...
Perhaps that one person was able to read Rand and understand that you don't take a book like that and read it like a recipe for cornbread. I guess Animal Farm is a silly book too since everyone knows pigs can't talk. This might blow your mind, but people can be Libertarians and also respect the dangers Marx discussed with respect to the concept of the Alienation of Labor.
Or do you think that the instant anyone even hints that they like even a single aspect of a political movement they must support every aspect of that movement's platform to the most absurd level possible?
"Congress shall make no law... or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
They already say that an onerous tax is not an abridgement of freedom. Just as long as the law doesn't specifically say you can't do something, our failure of a Supreme Court will be just fine with it.
What I find especially amusing is the same free market evangelists who would huff and puff about how awful the fire department is would probably also line up behind the newspaper bailout, especially if they happen to be columnists. Socialism for the goose but show the door to the gander.
When you get to define the terms and groups, you can imagine all sorts of asinine reactions to fit your worldview.
I mean, it's like totally unfair that PC manufacturers pulled the rug from under the typewriter business. I propose a tax on... let's see... yes! deodorants! and, uhhm, pipe wrenches! to save the typewriter business. And the monk scribes that used to copy books before that horrid man Gutenberg took their jobs away, they deserve some recompense. Let's tax... exotic pets.
You laugh, but we may have seen such lawsuits if the new industries that were forming were not born of the industries that were replaced.
Consider your typewriter example. Many manufacturers of these pieces of equipment were pioneers in the computing machinery industry. The nascent computing industry formed of these companies. Companies which saw profit to be had in developing new technologies.
In this sense, the internet information industry is parallel to the newspaper industry and not born OF the newspaper industry. So the newspaper industry is fighting it tooth and nail.
We saw a similar movement with the textile industry's response to hemp. Unfortunately, they won in that gambit.
It's frightening just how much modern American government has become like the nightmare Statist government in Ayn Rand's novels, constantly meddling with and attempting to control market forces that it and it's members are incapable of understanding or wanting to understand.
Regardless of what you may think of her personally, she was prescient.
Far too many people are willing to ignore good advice when they don't like the messenger, or the people associated with the advice. There is also another reason people ignore good advice that scares me even more. It's when the advice is ignored because they cannot accept the implications of what that would mean.
I guess the latter reason also scares me because I often find myself making the same mistake. It's easy and comforting.
As with Ayn Rand, it's like any other book, it takes an effort to distill the insightful portions from the author's other opinions.
You can have some expectations of privacy, but not in public places. They are called public for a reason: they are public. If you do private things in public, don't be surprised if your actions will become... [surprise] public.
That's 5 "public"s, let's make'em half a dozen: public:P
That I shouldn't be surprised if something becomes public does not mean that we should strive to cause everything to become public.
Or potatos. Do NOT put potatos down your garbage disposal; I found that out the hard way. Had to rent an electric plumber's snake to unplug the damned drain. The disposal has no problems, it's after they go down the drain and harden.
It's ok Dan, you can use 'Es' this time.
But on a serious note, you were essentially putting one half of a binary glue down your drain. The other part of that binary product is water which your disposal kindly mixed for you.
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The real problems started in Australian politics when the christian fundys managed to get a guy into parliament
The real problem is that people think that all their problems can be solved by just getting the government to make everyone behave in the way they know to be best.
You could get every religious fundamentalist out of government and still lose all your freedom to the basic human desire to control what your neighbors are doing.
NOBODY STOLE THE DAMN PHONE ! Some Apple punkass lost it and steve just can't get over it ! Please stop the misinformation here, somebody
I'm assuming you are referring to the landmark case Finders v. Keepers? I thought we covered this a while ago. If you come across someone else's property and you cannot immediately identify who the owner is then you should turn it over to the police.
Just as a reminder, if you pay for property from a person you KNOW isn't authorized to sell it, you are a participant in theft. We might have sympathy for you if you didn't know that the property didn't belong to the person selling it, but in the GIZMODO case, the fact that the property wasn't his was the entire point!
Hell and the summary sounds like it came from the movie 'The Ten Commandments'. And Apple declares it.... So let it be written.
Well, temperatures in Jupiter's atmosphere vary a lot. You've got areas with room temperature gasses at 10x atmospheric pressure, which is an environment suitable for multiple Earth-based critters.
The problem is that the areas with room temperature gas is just gas, and no trace of water.
I must be misinterpreting your comment. Can you explain how crashing a probe into a celestial body has LESS contamination risk than just letting it drift off into the void?
Generally, they crash it into a celestial body that has no capability to support life and, such as the case of Jupiter, is hostile to the biological processes of what could possibly contaminate it.
No life from Earth will survive in Jupiter's atmosphere. The pressure is... extreme beyond that of the extreme on Earth.
The pressure there would be 10,000 times greater than the pressure at the deepest point in Earth's ocean. 10,000,000 Earth Atmospheres compared to 1,000 in the Marianas Trench.
Then you have the temperature. The hottest spot on Earth (the core) is about 7300K. On the liquid 'surface' of Jupiter, it is 10,000k. The most extreme of the thermophiles on Earth live in an area less than 400k. The core of Jupiter is hotter than the surface of the Sun.
If you find me something that can survive 10,000k temperatures and 10 million atmospheres I'd bow down to my new overlord.
However, as soon as you start to assign numbers to this kind of stuff, the brain just sort of stops trying and you occasionally find yourself just kind of going "wow".
Ahh here is the picture I was looking for:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cc/Star-sizes.jpg
When you wrap your mind about the significance of the transition from frame 4 to 5 is when I really get that 'wow' feeling.
Err, bit of an error in my previous post. Not Betelgeuse (which IS pretty friggen big) looking like Mercury, but still pretty damned big.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VY_Canis_Majoris
The mind reels.
The emptyness of space never really got to me. What really baked my noodle was looking at a series of stars appear on my screen from a brown dwarf, past our star, and upwards to red giants like Betelgeuse.
Then I saw stars that made Betelgeuse look like Mercury compared to our Sun and I felt like I fell through the floor.
And when you look at this image: http://abyss.uoregon.edu/~js/images/compare_star_sizes.gif and realize that that large red one next the Sun is Betelgeuse, you will get an idea of just how absurd it looked.
But I never got the sense of insignificance that most people say you should fell when looking at the universe. The sizes boggled me, but never in a way that made me feel insignificant, it almost had the opposite effect on me, which I suppose is a bit weird.
Probably not even remotely possible due to its size, but a similar problem seems to have been created in Kiruna, in Sweden. The town sits on top of the world's largest iron ore mine, and the mine has created a large cavity under the town. They are moving everything, in some cases, literally brick by brick.
That sounds like an aweful lot of bork.
That's not true at all.
Just because you are entitled to use a piece of software, doesn't mean that Blizzard and Valve aren't entitled to ban you from using their service for whatever reason they decide.
It won't. A gas giant is a star that never happened. There' no do-over whereby a gas giant might become a star subsequently.
Not for Jupiter, but it likely happens all the time in the rest of the galaxy.
From what I remember, fusion occurs somewhere from 15-75 Jupiter-Masses (Mj). If you had a gas giant with 95% of that mass it could consume the remainder necessary for its gravity to become strong enough to start a continuous fusion reaction. Fusion likely does occur with smaller objects, but not on stellar scales/timelines and likely with deuterium instead of just Hydrogen (which fuses more near the 75 Mj mark).
Interestingly, a star that is just large enough to begin fusing hydrogen will look smaller than Jupiter due to the increased gravity pulling all the gas in.
The mechanic should occur, since it is the same mechanic we observe for a type of supernova in which a near-supernova capable sized white-dwarf pulls matter from a smaller partner in a binary system.
I wouldn't be surprised if you had near-brown dwarf sized gas giants tripping the limit by pulling in extra matter (even other gas giants)
Looks like the city nearly doubled its surface area!
Er, no. "All men are created equal", does not imply "all men remain equal in every respect".
And, as much as it might be convenient to an argument we want to make in a case like this, I don't think anyone here really wants to live in a world in which the trier of fact in a legal case is bound to treat all witnesses as equally credible without being free to make judgements about potential bias, indicators of honesty, training and experience relevant to the assessments of facts the witness is presenting, etc.
I've held a TS/SCI clearance and had Yankee White access and I still couldn't go before a judge and have them believe my word to be equal to that of a traffic cop.
Frankly, it's bullshit. The cop's job doesn't make him any more honest than any other person.
Neither is, with some training, estimating approximate speeds for a narrow class of objects (e.g., "cars") under very specific situations (e.g., "being observed from rest from the roadside"). Surprisingly enough, its fairly common for traffic police to be trained in that skill.
Just like arson forensic investigators?
http://search1.npr.org/templates/transcript/transcript.php?storyId=114005470
In that case, an innocent person was put to death because being 'trained in that skill' usually means the older guy saying 'Yeah, the new guy can do this.'
How do you think police issued tickets before radar guns were invented?
Typically with a stopwatch and two points a set distance apart.
Oh you think the old timey way was just guessing?
Regardless of the merit of this case, don't you think it's just a bit early to come with this magic market libertarian stuff as we are still in the midst of a major financial crisis caused by massive deregulation?
I am not bothered by the fact that you exist; I am seriously concerned, however, that there was one person to mod you insightful...
Perhaps that one person was able to read Rand and understand that you don't take a book like that and read it like a recipe for cornbread. I guess Animal Farm is a silly book too since everyone knows pigs can't talk. This might blow your mind, but people can be Libertarians and also respect the dangers Marx discussed with respect to the concept of the Alienation of Labor.
Or do you think that the instant anyone even hints that they like even a single aspect of a political movement they must support every aspect of that movement's platform to the most absurd level possible?
"Congress shall make no law ... or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
They already say that an onerous tax is not an abridgement of freedom. Just as long as the law doesn't specifically say you can't do something, our failure of a Supreme Court will be just fine with it.
What I find especially amusing is the same free market evangelists who would huff and puff about how awful the fire department is would probably also line up behind the newspaper bailout, especially if they happen to be columnists. Socialism for the goose but show the door to the gander.
When you get to define the terms and groups, you can imagine all sorts of asinine reactions to fit your worldview.
I mean, it's like totally unfair that PC manufacturers pulled the rug from under the typewriter business. I propose a tax on... let's see... yes! deodorants! and, uhhm, pipe wrenches! to save the typewriter business. And the monk scribes that used to copy books before that horrid man Gutenberg took their jobs away, they deserve some recompense. Let's tax... exotic pets.
You laugh, but we may have seen such lawsuits if the new industries that were forming were not born of the industries that were replaced.
Consider your typewriter example. Many manufacturers of these pieces of equipment were pioneers in the computing machinery industry. The nascent computing industry formed of these companies. Companies which saw profit to be had in developing new technologies.
In this sense, the internet information industry is parallel to the newspaper industry and not born OF the newspaper industry. So the newspaper industry is fighting it tooth and nail.
We saw a similar movement with the textile industry's response to hemp. Unfortunately, they won in that gambit.
It's frightening just how much modern American government has become like the nightmare Statist government in Ayn Rand's novels, constantly meddling with and attempting to control market forces that it and it's members are incapable of understanding or wanting to understand.
Regardless of what you may think of her personally, she was prescient.
Far too many people are willing to ignore good advice when they don't like the messenger, or the people associated with the advice. There is also another reason people ignore good advice that scares me even more. It's when the advice is ignored because they cannot accept the implications of what that would mean.
I guess the latter reason also scares me because I often find myself making the same mistake. It's easy and comforting.
As with Ayn Rand, it's like any other book, it takes an effort to distill the insightful portions from the author's other opinions.
It's not the idea that a cop does not want to be recorded, they want a system that the end user does not have the ability to alter.
No, I think they just don't want to be recorded.
I know I don't/wouldn't like being recorded.
I wouldn't be surprised. Technical infeasiblity isn't a protection.
Sorry I was poking fun at the ex Vice-President for incorrectly correcting a student on the spelling of the word potato.
Though I appreciate the linking of the poem, I'll take a look at it this evening.
You can have some expectations of privacy, but not in public places. They are called public for a reason: they are public. If you do private things in public, don't be surprised if your actions will become ... [surprise] public.
That's 5 "public"s, let's make'em half a dozen: public :P
That I shouldn't be surprised if something becomes public does not mean that we should strive to cause everything to become public.
Or potatos. Do NOT put potatos down your garbage disposal; I found that out the hard way. Had to rent an electric plumber's snake to unplug the damned drain. The disposal has no problems, it's after they go down the drain and harden.
It's ok Dan, you can use 'Es' this time.
But on a serious note, you were essentially putting one half of a binary glue down your drain. The other part of that binary product is water which your disposal kindly mixed for you.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheatpaste