Makes it easier to find things that may have got caught in the filter if you don't have to look through 5000 spams, frees up space you might need for real email, and beside, it's just nicer to be neat. Where were you raised, in a freakin' barn?
No, I know what it means -- just neglected to catch the AC's intent. It's been a loooong week of having to second guess semi-literate types. I knew working with these idiots would corrode my brain, but they threw so much money a me!
Preemptive strike! You're a moron, and Java != Javascript!
No-one said otherwise. The only thing in TFA I could see to which you might be erroneously referring is the Mozilla Rhino, a javascipt implementation for Java -- which is exactly what it is. Maybe someone's in a bit too much of a rush to use the word "moron"?
Base ubuntu install takes 2G and it comes with all that OSX ships with.
Uh, no. Not even close. That's why I have to use the Mac -- Linux is not at all ready for multimedia professionals.
No decent sound recording, no decent sound editing, no decent video editing, no decent syncing of audio/video, etc, etc, etc. Call me when Ubuntu comes with something equivalent to Logic or Final Cut. Until then, it's not suitable for MMPros.
(And if you post back talking about ardour, ecasound, audacity, etc I swear I'll scream. They do not work at anything like a pro level at all. I know, I tried.) I do wish I could use Linux for all my multimedia needs, but sadly, it will be years until it's ready. Not surprising, considering the Mac has been around since 1984. Linux will hopefully become as mature a platform and set us all free, but not this year. I have Linux machines, and its true that they use waaaay less resources -- but they also do a lot less.
On my desktop machine the root partition is 120GB, so far I've used 79.37 GB. That's with OSX, lots of pro multimedia software installed -- so basically, I have over 79GB of apps and system. My home directory is on a separate 240GB partitiion.I'm about to upgrade my (160GB) laptop so I have a mobile replacement that can keep up. We're entering the TB era; 16GB is woefully inadequate for anything but a netbook or a phone. And in just a couple of years, it won't be enough for those either.
You know what I hate? What I really hate is trolls. Stupid ass little bastards, always naked with their damned hair that sticks straight up, and their fake little smiles. They used to only be a problem when you had to cross a freaking bridge; now they're all over the intarweb, a regular infestation. So moronic, so clueless, and so predictable... I hope the next session of Congress makes it legal to hunt them for sport.
Each license bought allows for tech support from Microsoft.
Typically very little tech support from MS is included with the license. That's the "beauty" (for MS) of their pricing schemes; it's basically a money pit.
First you get hooked on the software, then the support, then the proprietary formats help keep you locked in. It's like quicksand.
Is there any such tech support from open source developers? Usually not.
Again, incorrect. There are a several good open source vendors who offer excellent support. But quite often OSS shops find they need very little outside support. I would expect most schools to fall in that category, though I have no personal experience working in that sector.
See? I tell the truth, and get modded "troll". You post that (no offense) nonsense and get modded "insightful". The/. community has become seriously polluted. I rest my case.
I've noticed that as well --/. is becoming a troll haven, to the point where it seems there are always trolls with mod points now. Lots of astroturfers and wannabee geeks with no knowledge just pissing in the pool. But I must admit, it has freed up a bit of time for me, as the discussions have become less and less compelling.
finding and shooting in cold blood someone who is getting rich off annoying the majority of the free world.
Except the phrase "in cold blood" denotes innocence on the part of the shootee. Spammers are not innocent; they cause worse problems than mere annoyance. Otherwise, I tend to agree that spammers should be shot.
And of course, that would be the real story, rather than the slashvertisement for Limelight Networks via perlow's blog we ended up with.
But hey, perlow and Limelight are happy, and that's the what matters, right?
Internet radio won't be dead, US based broadcasts of RIAA music will be dead.
Yes, that is exactly right. And that means we should be more determined than ever to support pop culture which is sustainable, i.e. NO RIAA music. Sadly, most people really are passive "consumers" of entertainment, but it certainly doesn't have to be that way.
Personally, I've been creating, buying, and listening to RIAA-free music exclusively for over two years now. When that music goes offline it will pretty much a non-event for me as a listener.
It wouldn't be enough (though it's certainly better than nothing). I doubt that MS actually expects anyone to use OOXML, as it is pretty close to impossible to implement. But when they have to go before government agencies in various countries to answer for their monopolistic, unfair business practices they get to say, "we contributed an open document standard, and we're a big contributor to the Apache Foundation. Heck, we're all about open source and freedom!" And since government bureaucrats are not exactly the hardest people to trick when it comes to technology issues, that will carry a lot of weight. And "membership" has other benefits, which can be leveraged to poison the whole pot.
MS is simply buying its way in to "OSS", just as it has done with so many more traditional competitors before destroying them. This is very, very bad.
I understand that, and as I said, I use it myself. But in a work environment an end user usually doesn't admin the box, and thus does not see that side of it. While many people do find Debian simple to admin, it isn't reasonable to expect people like my mother to do it. Debian is relatively user-friendly, but not "ready for your mom" user-friendly (well, depends on your mom. My mom started out pointing the mouse at the monitor as if it was a remote). Anyway, that's why Ubuntu is so successful. They fill a gap in the marketplace, and provide a nice community of helpful people who aren't telling non-geeks to "RTFA" -- which, incidentally, was never meant to be a proper response to end users. That is something we "pros" often forget. We were told to RTFA because a pro needs to RTFA. An end user should not be expected to do that, and if you tell them to, you do FOSS as well as that end user a disservice, IMO. It's fine to show them the terminal, show them the man command, tell them about TFM, etc, but when you see their eyes glaze over, wrap it up and go back to showing them what they need to know, i.e. how to do what they always did in windows or whatever, how to add software, and how to upgrade.
I appreciate your love for Debian, but unless you've actually done those things in Ubuntu and in Debian, you probably cannot appreciate the difference it will make for non-geek end users.
Nowhere did I say that, but since you ask: depends upon whose desktop. I put my Mom on Ubuntu, and wouldn't dream of putting her on Debian. I'm not going to teach her to use synaptic, much less apt. Plus the drivers, default configs, and things like the Ubuntu update manager make all the difference for the non-geek user. Personally, I do use Debian for several of my desktop machines, but I was using it back when we had to install with dselect, so I know the CLI well enough that Ubuntu just feels a bit bloaty to me. Not that it's bloaty for a non-geek, who's probably used to winXP. It's all relative.
Yea, a 1997 with laptops that weigh 1kg, have a battery life of 5 hours and a screen that is actually capable of doing graphics work on. I wish I was around in *your* 1997.
Well, except for weighing ~5 lbs more and a max battery life of four hours, we had this way back in 1995. So I'm not really impressed.
Just use apt-get remove kpilot kdegames kde_whatever_you're_trying_to_get_rid_of and watch your output. When it says "the following packages will be removed: list_of_packages" only the packages listed after "removed" will be removed. So, as someone else pointed out, kde is safe to remove (it is a meta package) and of course the kdegames and kpilot and plenty of others can also be safely removed. Also, I hope you will ignore the trolls who give false answers or tell you to RTFM. They are full of crap, and you are to be commended for having the courage to ask such questions. The day you can't get a decent answer to a valid question on/. will be the day that/. ceases to exist for me.
Some of us already live in the future and use SSD on our laptops. Every gigabyte here is precious, since there's often not dozens, hardly even one dozen.
Funny, that doesn't sound like the future to me. Sounds more like you're living in a solid state version of 1997.
Hacking to get Wifi working, hacking to get PPP working, hacking config files to get sound working properly and no bluetooth. And Freetards will have everyone believe GNU/Linux is ready for most people's desktops. Sorry, but it's still failing in this market.
Debian is mainly used as a server OS, it isn't generally held up as a shining example of how Linux is ready for the desktop.
It is fairly widely used in production environments, and by developers and other geeky types, and it is considered an excellent stable base for other, more specialised distros. Like, for example, Ubuntu -- which is more than "ready" for the desktop.
Yeah, yeah. -1 Truth. Mod me down, but some of you Freetards will read this, and you know deep-down that it's true. We really need to stop shoving GNU/Linux down people's throats, until it's ready for the desktop.
In order to criticize in a meaningful way, one needs to know the subject at hand. Otherwise, you're just trolling and making inappropriate noise. And really, "freetards"? What kind of "tard" does that make you then?:) [HINT: This is a geek forum.]
Are you kidding? Apple products face the most rigorous real-world testing known -- the real world!
Those of us who've used their products since the 1980s know this well, and we never buy the new stuff until the masses have tested it thoroughly for us and at least Rev C has been released. Typically, by then it will be perfect.
Although sometimes it pays to wait for Rev D -- that's usually the final version, and the most featureful.
I wonder how long before people in possession of scary "hacking software and equipment" are subjected to similar intrusions? Welcome to the NewUSA, where all knowledge is classified.
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Makes it easier to find things that may have got caught in the filter if you don't have to look through 5000 spams, frees up space you might need for real email, and beside, it's just nicer to be neat. Where were you raised, in a freakin' barn?
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CSS is only "fundamentally fucked" because hardly anyone can be bothered to code CSS compliant web pages. It's a shame, really.
No, I know what it means -- just neglected to catch the AC's intent. It's been a loooong week of having to second guess semi-literate types. I knew working with these idiots would corrode my brain, but they threw so much money a me!
No-one said otherwise. The only thing in TFA I could see to which you might be erroneously referring is the Mozilla Rhino, a javascipt implementation for Java -- which is exactly what it is. Maybe someone's in a bit too much of a rush to use the word "moron"?
Uh, no. Not even close. That's why I have to use the Mac -- Linux is not at all ready for multimedia professionals. No decent sound recording, no decent sound editing, no decent video editing, no decent syncing of audio/video, etc, etc, etc. Call me when Ubuntu comes with something equivalent to Logic or Final Cut. Until then, it's not suitable for MMPros. (And if you post back talking about ardour, ecasound, audacity, etc I swear I'll scream. They do not work at anything like a pro level at all. I know, I tried.) I do wish I could use Linux for all my multimedia needs, but sadly, it will be years until it's ready. Not surprising, considering the Mac has been around since 1984. Linux will hopefully become as mature a platform and set us all free, but not this year. I have Linux machines, and its true that they use waaaay less resources -- but they also do a lot less.
On my desktop machine the root partition is 120GB, so far I've used 79.37 GB. That's with OSX, lots of pro multimedia software installed -- so basically, I have over 79GB of apps and system. My home directory is on a separate 240GB partitiion.I'm about to upgrade my (160GB) laptop so I have a mobile replacement that can keep up. We're entering the TB era; 16GB is woefully inadequate for anything but a netbook or a phone. And in just a couple of years, it won't be enough for those either.
You know what I hate? What I really hate is trolls. Stupid ass little bastards, always naked with their damned hair that sticks straight up, and their fake little smiles. They used to only be a problem when you had to cross a freaking bridge; now they're all over the intarweb, a regular infestation. So moronic, so clueless, and so predictable... I hope the next session of Congress makes it legal to hunt them for sport.
Typically very little tech support from MS is included with the license. That's the "beauty" (for MS) of their pricing schemes; it's basically a money pit. First you get hooked on the software, then the support, then the proprietary formats help keep you locked in. It's like quicksand.
Again, incorrect. There are a several good open source vendors who offer excellent support. But quite often OSS shops find they need very little outside support. I would expect most schools to fall in that category, though I have no personal experience working in that sector.
Yes, that's +1 insightful.
:)
It all evens out in the end...
See? I tell the truth, and get modded "troll". You post that (no offense) nonsense and get modded "insightful". The /. community has become seriously polluted. I rest my case.
I've noticed that as well -- /. is becoming a troll haven, to the point where it seems there are always trolls with mod points now. Lots of astroturfers and wannabee geeks with no knowledge just pissing in the pool. But I must admit, it has freed up a bit of time for me, as the discussions have become less and less compelling.
Except the phrase "in cold blood" denotes innocence on the part of the shootee. Spammers are not innocent; they cause worse problems than mere annoyance. Otherwise, I tend to agree that spammers should be shot.
And of course, that would be the real story, rather than the slashvertisement for Limelight Networks via perlow's blog we ended up with. But hey, perlow and Limelight are happy, and that's the what matters, right?
Yes, that is exactly right. And that means we should be more determined than ever to support pop culture which is sustainable, i.e. NO RIAA music. Sadly, most people really are passive "consumers" of entertainment, but it certainly doesn't have to be that way.
Personally, I've been creating, buying, and listening to RIAA-free music exclusively for over two years now. When that music goes offline it will pretty much a non-event for me as a listener.
It wouldn't be enough (though it's certainly better than nothing). I doubt that MS actually expects anyone to use OOXML, as it is pretty close to impossible to implement. But when they have to go before government agencies in various countries to answer for their monopolistic, unfair business practices they get to say, "we contributed an open document standard, and we're a big contributor to the Apache Foundation. Heck, we're all about open source and freedom!" And since government bureaucrats are not exactly the hardest people to trick when it comes to technology issues, that will carry a lot of weight. And "membership" has other benefits, which can be leveraged to poison the whole pot.
MS is simply buying its way in to "OSS", just as it has done with so many more traditional competitors before destroying them. This is very, very bad.
I understand that, and as I said, I use it myself. But in a work environment an end user usually doesn't admin the box, and thus does not see that side of it. While many people do find Debian simple to admin, it isn't reasonable to expect people like my mother to do it. Debian is relatively user-friendly, but not "ready for your mom" user-friendly (well, depends on your mom. My mom started out pointing the mouse at the monitor as if it was a remote). Anyway, that's why Ubuntu is so successful. They fill a gap in the marketplace, and provide a nice community of helpful people who aren't telling non-geeks to "RTFA" -- which, incidentally, was never meant to be a proper response to end users. That is something we "pros" often forget. We were told to RTFA because a pro needs to RTFA. An end user should not be expected to do that, and if you tell them to, you do FOSS as well as that end user a disservice, IMO. It's fine to show them the terminal, show them the man command, tell them about TFM, etc, but when you see their eyes glaze over, wrap it up and go back to showing them what they need to know, i.e. how to do what they always did in windows or whatever, how to add software, and how to upgrade.
I appreciate your love for Debian, but unless you've actually done those things in Ubuntu and in Debian, you probably cannot appreciate the difference it will make for non-geek end users.
Nowhere did I say that, but since you ask: depends upon whose desktop. I put my Mom on Ubuntu, and wouldn't dream of putting her on Debian. I'm not going to teach her to use synaptic, much less apt. Plus the drivers, default configs, and things like the Ubuntu update manager make all the difference for the non-geek user. Personally, I do use Debian for several of my desktop machines, but I was using it back when we had to install with dselect, so I know the CLI well enough that Ubuntu just feels a bit bloaty to me. Not that it's bloaty for a non-geek, who's probably used to winXP. It's all relative.
Well, except for weighing ~5 lbs more and a max battery life of four hours, we had this way back in 1995. So I'm not really impressed.
Just use apt-get remove kpilot kdegames kde_whatever_you're_trying_to_get_rid_of and watch your output. When it says "the following packages will be removed: list_of_packages" only the packages listed after "removed" will be removed. So, as someone else pointed out, kde is safe to remove (it is a meta package) and of course the kdegames and kpilot and plenty of others can also be safely removed. /. will be the day that /. ceases to exist for me.
Also, I hope you will ignore the trolls who give false answers or tell you to RTFM. They are full of crap, and you are to be commended for having the courage to ask such questions. The day you can't get a decent answer to a valid question on
Funny, that doesn't sound like the future to me. Sounds more like you're living in a solid state version of 1997.
Debian is mainly used as a server OS, it isn't generally held up as a shining example of how Linux is ready for the desktop. It is fairly widely used in production environments, and by developers and other geeky types, and it is considered an excellent stable base for other, more specialised distros. Like, for example, Ubuntu -- which is more than "ready" for the desktop.
In order to criticize in a meaningful way, one needs to know the subject at hand. Otherwise, you're just trolling and making inappropriate noise. And really, "freetards"? What kind of "tard" does that make you then? :) [HINT: This is a geek forum.]
Me too, mine was a 1956 Studebaker -- sure wish I'd kept it...
Are you kidding? Apple products face the most rigorous real-world testing known -- the real world! Those of us who've used their products since the 1980s know this well, and we never buy the new stuff until the masses have tested it thoroughly for us and at least Rev C has been released. Typically, by then it will be perfect. Although sometimes it pays to wait for Rev D -- that's usually the final version, and the most featureful.
I wonder how long before people in possession of scary "hacking software and equipment" are subjected to similar intrusions? Welcome to the NewUSA, where all knowledge is classified.
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