Aside from the obvious fact that the name is more "theme park" than business-like,
what can it really do that can't be done (with fewer resources) via teleconferencing,
and/or chat, and/or version control? Seems to me it's just teleconferencing with eye candy.
You have a point or two, but that's not really what I meant. The lack of tasteful design is nothing compared to the rants, raves, and missives people unleash online. Some of those people may actually grow up to have the sense be horrified at what they've posted.:)
I've since followed up with lessons learned, a big one being that everybody should have a visible web presence
I strongly disagree with that conclusion. There are already too many people with
cringe-worthy web presences. Besides, most reasonable people know better than to believe everything they read.
Depends upon the context. It's pretty tough to fine tune "a picture" with arguments and switches. And my fingers can hit these keys a whole lot faster than my are can move that mouse.:)
How is it possible that open source developers have been working on KDE for a decade now and they still can't come up with something remotely polished as Win2k was years ago?
I could be wrong, but I do believe that most (if not all) of the people working on KDE/qt itself are working for Trolltech, and do get paid for it. Also, I don't think I'd agree with the rest of your conclusions. You're comparing DEs which are integrated into their corresponding OSs with a DE designed to be a modular add-on for several OSs. That makes it a lot more challenging in a number of ways. Also, you are probably grouping a lot of independently built qt apps together with KDE. It just isn't that simple. KDE has to work with all the *nix distros. I expect that building a single interface to work with a single OS is perhaps 5% of the job the KDE devs have to do. So I'd say you've got it backwards -- a better question might be, "with only one little OS to focus upon, why on earth can't Vista's be the most perfect windows UI yet?", or even "why can't Aqua be the last word in flexibility and customizability?".
Damn. I've got 2 users on xubuntu because ubuntu with gnome is too "bloaty and funky" for them, and kubuntu is too squirrelly. Neither is all that happy, both have been looking forward to a fully usable kubuntu with the 4.1 (because it "seems more like windows"), but maybe I should begin looking into E17 for them? I just hate this kind of crap, wish we could all just use ion3 or wmaker. But these are people who'll willingly click through a half dozen GUI menus no prob, but as soon as I say "It's easy -- just open a terminal and type" I've lost them... I never have understood why they have that mental block, it's so limiting.
Or send it out as part of the automatic update. That AVG does at least once a week.
Oh? And how is that "without interacting with AVG AT ALL" then? You just don't get it. I am fully aware that AVG and the unfortunate souls who download their product are not the same people -- I just massively disagree with your contention that
"AVG is not spamming the web with deceptive traffic". They factually, literally are, because they are releasing a piece of software configured to do precisely that to a market that mostly has no idea that it happens or how to correct it or even why they should care.
Furthermore, when I said "oh sure, all that has to be done is to educate every single person who downloaded the software aimed specifically at lusers. It's so easy and so simple, I'm surprised you haven't already taken care of that", I was referring to all the users everywhere currently acting as AVGs agents spamming the web on their behalf via their malicious and defective software. Now surely, that is spelled out well enough, even you can comprehend it? Good night to you, sir!
You can say "it's AVG by proxy" or "it's AVG's fault" but that's only partially true as the problem could be solved without interacting with AVG AT ALL.
oh sure, all that has to be done is to educate every single person who downloaded the software aimed specifically at lusers. It's so easy and so simple, I'm surprised you haven't already taken care of that.
EIther you are able to differentiate between a company and its customers, or you are not. Telling someone else they "must be hallucinating" when it's your own failure to see the subtleties is arrogant and thoughtless, and makes you look like an ass.
Someone looks like an ass, alright. The "computer guys" defending the snake oil producers. So learn better and do better -- that's what separates the merely ignorant from the terminally stupid, get it now?
First of all, the very nature of that business is fraud -- there is no effective "anti virus" software, period. Therefore you are maintaining that a class of people so ignorant they fail to realize they are downloading and installing something utterly worthles which will needlessly slow down their computer are people who will be knowledgeable and responsible enough to change the default settings to something less destructive? Look at it this way: If GM sold a car with a deadly fault which could be easily fixed with a small adjustment would you argue that because it can be easily fixed by anyone who takes the time to learn about the flaw and how to fix it that GM is not the responsible party?
Hey come on, this is/. -- what's the matter with you guys? Dial-up vs broadband is like having to turn the crank on the Tin Lizzy vs having a keyless ignition. Sheesh!
No, idiots, this is trolling: You windows lusers are so stupid you will squander points modding me down just for telling the truth you can't stand to hear!!!
...what will Big Media do if they do manage to "conquer piracy" and they still don't sell more crappy content than they do now? I know I rarely bother to "pirate" any of the crap they think is so hot, there is so much niche, antique, and "unavailable" stuff that I prefer now. Lots of it really is free on the archive, among other places.
Do you realize how many people have no ability to order any expensive worthless AV software from Mcafee or Symantec? Like nobody has a credit card?
AVG 7.5 worked great for a free program for lots of these people. They have nowhere else to go.
Yeah, must be like shooting fish in a barrel for AVG. Seriously, "anti-virus" software is pointless, even for windows victi^H^H^H^H^H users. 98% of the time PEBKAC, and for the remaining 2% antivirus still won't help. It is literally superstition to believe otherwise.
AVG provides a product that for the most part is ABSOLUTELY FREE.
They're not a non-profit; they give away the base version because they sell more paid versions that way. Considering that "anti virus" software is all snake oil by definition, I think slimy fits. But then, some people still buy rabbit's feet, toss salt over their shoulder, refuse to break a chain letter, flip out if someone opens an umbrella indoors...
I doubt that the colors will make half as much difference as the quality of your monitor, unless you've been using
chartreuse on magenta or something.
Not that I know a great deal about the technical details, but I have observed that many cheaper CRTs or LCDs
seem to make my eyes hurt sooner than a more expensive one. Apple's monitors are excellent for this, BTW,
but they do price them terribly high. These days I'd expect you can get something equivalent for less, though
it won't be a $129 model.
Also, in 2004 the same question was discussed at length here, probably at least some of that is still relevant.
The one thing AOL has always excelled at is cutting off its nose to spite its face. Though I am rather grateful for all those nice, metal disc boxes which I spray-painted in solid colors (for more worthy discs). They really look great.
Actually, I was tuned in to MTV for the very first broadcast and for nearly a year it really was extremely cool. There were so few music videos back then, MTV was desperate and would play anything anyone sent in. New, old, mainstream, underground; it was a real free-for-all type of broadcast, largely formula free and totally unpredictable. Sadly, it just didn't stay that way very long.
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Aside from the obvious fact that the name is more "theme park" than business-like, what can it really do that can't be done (with fewer resources) via teleconferencing, and/or chat, and/or version control? Seems to me it's just teleconferencing with eye candy.
You have a point or two, but that's not really what I meant. The lack of tasteful design is nothing compared to the rants, raves, and missives people unleash online. Some of those people may actually grow up to have the sense be horrified at what they've posted. :)
I strongly disagree with that conclusion. There are already too many people with cringe-worthy web presences. Besides, most reasonable people know better than to believe everything they read.
Depends upon the context. It's pretty tough to fine tune "a picture" with arguments and switches. And my fingers can hit these keys a whole lot faster than my are can move that mouse. :)
I could be wrong, but I do believe that most (if not all) of the people working on KDE/qt itself are working for Trolltech, and do get paid for it. Also, I don't think I'd agree with the rest of your conclusions. You're comparing DEs which are integrated into their corresponding OSs with a DE designed to be a modular add-on for several OSs. That makes it a lot more challenging in a number of ways. Also, you are probably grouping a lot of independently built qt apps together with KDE. It just isn't that simple. KDE has to work with all the *nix distros. I expect that building a single interface to work with a single OS is perhaps 5% of the job the KDE devs have to do. So I'd say you've got it backwards -- a better question might be, "with only one little OS to focus upon, why on earth can't Vista's be the most perfect windows UI yet?", or even "why can't Aqua be the last word in flexibility and customizability?".
Damn. I've got 2 users on xubuntu because ubuntu with gnome is too "bloaty and funky" for them, and kubuntu is too squirrelly. Neither is all that happy, both have been looking forward to a fully usable kubuntu with the 4.1 (because it "seems more like windows"), but maybe I should begin looking into E17 for them? I just hate this kind of crap, wish we could all just use ion3 or wmaker. But these are people who'll willingly click through a half dozen GUI menus no prob, but as soon as I say "It's easy -- just open a terminal and type" I've lost them... I never have understood why they have that mental block, it's so limiting.
Obviously you are just an impotent little troll. You may now have the last word, as that is clearly what you want.
Projecting much, Mr McGuiggin? :) BTW, you've just been beaten by a woman.
...we've got all the security personnel in airports watching the wrong group of people!
Oh? And how is that "without interacting with AVG AT ALL" then? You just don't get it. I am fully aware that AVG and the unfortunate souls who download their product are not the same people -- I just massively disagree with your contention that "AVG is not spamming the web with deceptive traffic". They factually, literally are, because they are releasing a piece of software configured to do precisely that to a market that mostly has no idea that it happens or how to correct it or even why they should care.
Furthermore, when I said "oh sure, all that has to be done is to educate every single person who downloaded the software aimed specifically at lusers. It's so easy and so simple, I'm surprised you haven't already taken care of that", I was referring to all the users everywhere currently acting as AVGs agents spamming the web on their behalf via their malicious and defective software. Now surely, that is spelled out well enough, even you can comprehend it?
Good night to you, sir!
oh sure, all that has to be done is to educate every single person who downloaded the software aimed specifically at lusers. It's so easy and so simple, I'm surprised you haven't already taken care of that.
Someone looks like an ass, alright. The "computer guys" defending the snake oil producers. So learn better and do better -- that's what separates the merely ignorant from the terminally stupid, get it now?
First of all, the very nature of that business is fraud -- there is no effective "anti virus" software, period. Therefore you are maintaining that a class of people so ignorant they fail to realize they are downloading and installing something utterly worthles which will needlessly slow down their computer are people who will be knowledgeable and responsible enough to change the default settings to something less destructive? Look at it this way: If GM sold a car with a deadly fault which could be easily fixed with a small adjustment would you argue that because it can be easily fixed by anyone who takes the time to learn about the flaw and how to fix it that GM is not the responsible party?
Hey come on, this is /. -- what's the matter with you guys? Dial-up vs broadband is like having to turn the crank on the Tin Lizzy vs having a keyless ignition. Sheesh!
No, idiots, this is trolling:
You windows lusers are so stupid you will squander points modding me down just for telling the truth you can't stand to hear!!!
...what will Big Media do if they do manage to "conquer piracy" and they still don't sell more crappy content than they do now? I know I rarely bother to "pirate" any of the crap they think is so hot, there is so much niche, antique, and "unavailable" stuff that I prefer now. Lots of it really is free on the archive, among other places.
Yeah, must be like shooting fish in a barrel for AVG. Seriously, "anti-virus" software is pointless, even for windows victi^H^H^H^H^H users. 98% of the time PEBKAC, and for the remaining 2% antivirus still won't help. It is literally superstition to believe otherwise.
You must be hallucinating. Yes, that is the complaint, and no, you're the one being disingenuous.
...or even mod you troll for pointing out their superstition. ;)
They're not a non-profit; they give away the base version because they sell more paid versions that way. Considering that "anti virus" software is all snake oil by definition, I think slimy fits. But then, some people still buy rabbit's feet, toss salt over their shoulder, refuse to break a chain letter, flip out if someone opens an umbrella indoors...
I doubt that the colors will make half as much difference as the quality of your monitor, unless you've been using chartreuse on magenta or something. Not that I know a great deal about the technical details, but I have observed that many cheaper CRTs or LCDs seem to make my eyes hurt sooner than a more expensive one. Apple's monitors are excellent for this, BTW, but they do price them terribly high. These days I'd expect you can get something equivalent for less, though it won't be a $129 model. Also, in 2004 the same question was discussed at length here, probably at least some of that is still relevant.
I prefer a Panter Sprint cigar tin for that -- they hold a lot more. :)
The one thing AOL has always excelled at is cutting off its nose to spite its face. Though I am rather grateful for all those nice, metal disc boxes which I spray-painted in solid colors (for more worthy discs). They really look great.
Hey yeah, when are they going to show that again anyway? Man, that was teh shizzle!
Actually, I was tuned in to MTV for the very first broadcast and for nearly a year it really was extremely cool. There were so few music videos back then, MTV was desperate and would play anything anyone sent in. New, old, mainstream, underground; it was a real free-for-all type of broadcast, largely formula free and totally unpredictable. Sadly, it just didn't stay that way very long.
He's a Pig man, I tell ya Jerry, I saw him!