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Best Color Scheme For Coding, Easiest On the Eyes?

Marzubus writes "I tend to do a lot of code editing in vim and sometimes get the 'burning eyes' or headaches. I have been trying to find a background / foreground combination for my terminal sessions which is easiest on the eyes but cannot seem to find any real data on this subject. Does anyone know of a study / data on this topic?"

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  1. Probably not colors by clang_jangle · · Score: 5, Informative

    I doubt that the colors will make half as much difference as the quality of your monitor, unless you've been using chartreuse on magenta or something. Not that I know a great deal about the technical details, but I have observed that many cheaper CRTs or LCDs seem to make my eyes hurt sooner than a more expensive one. Apple's monitors are excellent for this, BTW, but they do price them terribly high. These days I'd expect you can get something equivalent for less, though it won't be a $129 model. Also, in 2004 the same question was discussed at length here, probably at least some of that is still relevant.

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    1. Re:Probably not colors by nikomen · · Score: 5, Informative

      I concur. A while ago I purchased a couple cheap LCDs. I noticed that the LCDs at my university were easier on my eyes than my home LCDs. I sold my LCDs to my parents who I knew wouldn't be on the computer for any long lengths of time. I bought a couple HP LCDs that were recommended to me and they make a world of difference. This isn't an ad for HP, just simply stating that cheaper LCDs probably cause some kind of eye strain compared to a little more pricey (yet not horribly expensive) LCDs.

    2. Re:Probably not colors by onecheapgeek · · Score: 1

      Either that or he could try blinking every now and then...

    3. Re:Probably not colors by Bandman · · Score: 4, Informative

      With CRTs, refresh rate was a big deal, so that might have been part of it.

      If your monitor's refresh rate was equal to the ambiant lighting's refresh rate, you could almost guarantee a headache

    4. Re:Probably not colors by My-Kung-Fu-Is-Best · · Score: 1

      That's a good point. The quality of the monitor can make a big difference. I would try to adjust the refresh rate of the monitor. The 'more expensive' monitors will have better options to adjust the physical properties of the monitor (refresh rate, contrast, brightness, etc) than the less expensive ones. I had a friend that would always change the rate from 60Hz (default) to 85Hz because the 60Hz setting gave him a headache. You can also try to turn down the brightness a bit. That being said, I've always use white text on a black background. I think it would work better if I use a different shade of white instead of Bright White, but I haven't really experimented. I think the studies point to black text on white as the best. I also found this article had a few good hints (some I already mentioned above). http://www.allaboutvision.com/cvs/irritated.htm My 2 cents...

    5. Re:Probably not colors by hansamurai · · Score: 5, Informative

      Great point, I have two LCDs at home, one is a six year old Envision monitor and then other is a three year old Samsung. The Samsung monitor looks worlds better and is much easier to look at for extended periods of time. It's one of those things I can't lay my finger on but it's definitely there.

    6. Re:Probably not colors by SQLGuru · · Score: 4, Informative

      Also, environmental factors. For example, I've been in various cubes over the years and the ones where there was a light fixture visible from my chair as I looked at my monitor caused fatigue faster than when the fixture was not visible (this includes when the fixture was behind me....basically visible in any direction from a sitting position at my desk). Also, for a while, they allowed us to dim the fixtures (turn off/remove one bulb) which helped too (not completely dark, but more cavelike).

      Other things you can do is to make sure the brightness and contrast are appropriate. Most people keep them too high (myself included).

      And of course, frequent "look away" breaks. I had an old NEC 21" CRT (heavy beast) that actually had a built in timer that you could set that would remind / force you to look away (the screen would go black except for the message). Easy enough to implement in software if you are so inclined.

      There's some good articles here: http://www.sangrea.net/ohs_dbase/colour-color.htm
      They are mostly focused on designing web pages, but the information is just as relevant for any computer image that someone will be starting at for any length of time.

      And of course, a different Slashdot question on the same subject: http://ask.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/09/14/1516207&mode=thread&tid=99

      Layne

    7. Re:Probably not colors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wouldn't say that cheaper is automatically worse.

      The manufacturing process is most likely almost identical. What they cut down on for the cheapos is quality control.

      This means in practical terms that buying cheap is more of a crap shoot that buying expensive. You might get excellent quality, or you may get a piece
      of crap.

      I've experienced this personally. I bought four cheap 15 inch LG LCDs back a few years ago and the variation in quality was quite noticeable. I still use the best one as a second for my laptop. One I have in storage, in case I want to tinker with it, make a picture frame or something. The others I have given away.

    8. Re:Probably not colors by intx13 · · Score: 4, Funny

      If your monitor's refresh rate was equal to the ambiant lighting's refresh rate, you could almost guarantee a headache

      Maybe you should stop programming in raves! Turn off the strobe lights - my light bulbs don't refresh!

    9. Re:Probably not colors by R2.0 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      There's a guy at work that still has his set to 60Hz; I can't look at it for more than 5 seconds but he swears he can't see any flicker.

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    10. Re:Probably not colors by funfail · · Score: 4, Funny

      Seems you never worked in a fluorescent lit cubicle.

    11. Re:Probably not colors by Hannes2000 · · Score: 1

      Another important factor is the size of the screen. For me, it better be HUGE. Code editing (and writing) is a lot more fun when you can see much of it. 24"-LCDs have become so much cheaper, it's worth a try.

    12. Re:Probably not colors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who said he was using a cheap monitor?

    13. Re:Probably not colors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is a software for this which really helps during the day: workrave.org

    14. Re:Probably not colors by maexio · · Score: 4, Informative

      I think it was determined that Green On Black was the ideal method back in the day (When color monitors / technology was too $$$ / unavailable)

      Or it could have something to do with our eye's ability to see various wavelengths of color. For instance, the same 'intensity' green laser is 8x more visible than a red laser. This wiki link:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visible_light

      shows the range of colours in wavelength form, while this one :

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_vision

      shows the nm of light that each type of receptor can see. If you see, the Green wavelength appears to be near the middle, so although ianad (I Am Not A Doctor), the green theory seems to hold up.

      Also, i heard / read it somewhere a long time ago (ie, why all the crummy dumb terms seem to be green on black)

    15. Re:Probably not colors by pgallenga · · Score: 2, Informative

      Talking about "look aways" (forced/suggested by hardware/software), I've lately been enlightened by an article on FSM ( http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/columns/workrave_combating_rsi_free_software_way ) about WorkRave ( http://www.workrave.org/ ), a tiny OSS utility that was created thinking of RSI, but can be configured for almost any need...

      I've installed it here in the company I work for, and now they all like it very much...

      Give it a try!
      P.

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    16. Re:Probably not colors by RobertM1968 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Actually, colors do make a difference... though I dont know enough to know which ones are better. Also, true flicker free lights help as well - even though LCDs are almost flicker free.

      I would guess the optimal colors would be determined by the color temp setting used on the LCDs. Personally, I prefer warmer lighting (warm white flicker free flourescents or warm white halogens), though the color temps on my monitors are pretty high.

      Possibly more important is light placing and intensity. Studies (on /. a long time ago, at the link above and elsewhere here; and on the web of course) shows that less light is easier on the eyes for coders and data entry people. It (if memory serves) helps reduce eye strain and distraction. Inotherwords, use enough light to see your workspace, illuminate your keyboard - and not much else. Upward facing lights (ie: "torch" lights, wall sconces, etc) help with this because they bring up the ambient light in the room without the eye-strain issues direct lighting cause for those who code or do data entry. To that, one would add task lighting appropriate to the job they are doing (like a desk lamp over their reading area where they browse their programming guide or stack of papers they are entering into the computer).

      Cheaper CRTs (or CRTs in general) have a flicker to them which can make one's eyes hurt. Cheaper LCDs sometimes have slower refresh and response rates that can cause a similar effect - contrary to some people's beliefs that an LCD is an LCD is an LCD. Also, if you compare a high quality LCD to a cheapo one, you can often notice the difference in quality - especially on text rendering... text is often "smoother" looking on the better one - which also helps reduce eye strain.

      Generally, for an LCD, one that (accurately) claims it is great for gaming - and has good pixel representation - is an ideal choice. It means it should have a very low response time, and good clarity and contrast. Skip CRTs... they may make pretty images - but as resolutions climb, LCDs beat them in text display.

      Keep in mind, much "eye" strain is due to data your mind is filling in and your eyes are trying to follow (or external visual distractions your mind or eyes are trying to absorb).

    17. Re:Probably not colors by tenco · · Score: 5, Funny

      Edison, is that you?

    18. Re:Probably not colors by spec8472 · · Score: 5, Informative

      It's quite possible that the old LCD display is a 6 bit (256k colours) panel, which to display colours which didn't fit exactly onto that colour space, flickers between two on either 'side'. It's called 'temporal dithering'.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dither#Applications

      Theoretically you shouldn't be able to notice this, but it's the same with low refresh rates on CRTs - some people can notice it directly, others indirectly through eyestrain.

    19. Re:Probably not colors by DrLang21 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Apparently you only use DC powered lights.

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    20. Re:Probably not colors by arivanov · · Score: 1

      Doubt not

      First thing in cases like this is to check that you actually see the same in all colours. You can even test yourself. Get a set of coloured plastic foils from an arts & craft shop and see if there is a difference in the way you see printed text through a coloured filter. This is much more common than people think.

      If that is the case VIM is not the answer as AFAIK it does only colour highlighting, not font based highlighting (old Turbo/Delphi style).

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    21. Re:Probably not colors by Jasin+Natael · · Score: 2, Informative

      The monitor does make a huge difference, and don't let anyone tell you otherwise. I've got a 24" iMac (early 2007, matte LCD) as my primary workstation, and the screen is beautiful. However, it is insanely bright. Even at the lowest brightness setting, it's still too bright for working with the blinds closed. I use a free program called Shades to cut the brightness in software.

      But the things you can do to get better coding performance are:

      • Calibrate your monitor as well as possible. This ensures that your whites and colors have (if not equal,) correlatable levels of percieved brightness.
      • Reduce the brightness. Put a sheet of super-bright white paper on a desk or table, so the room's light sources are all able to shine on it. White on your monitor shouldn't seem brighter than this.
      • Explore a Zenburn-like theme for your text editor. The theme I use is in a screenshot here
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    22. Re:Probably not colors by Bandman · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Back when I played FPS's, I would be able to see flickr on TV. People thought I was crazy, too.

    23. Re:Probably not colors by Bandman · · Score: 4, Funny

      weird. I meant flicker. Damn you flickr for corrupting my spelling!

    24. Re:Probably not colors by Spad · · Score: 1

      You obviously don't have any fluorescent tubes where you work.

    25. Re:Probably not colors by Skater · · Score: 3, Informative

      I'll third this. I have a decent Dell monitor at work, and I had an old 17" Viewsonic CRT at home that was annoying because it was slightly unfocused in the middle of the screen. Having a decent display at work only made it worse because I knew how good the picture could be.

      I was happy with the Dell at work, so based on that and the recommendations of a couple friends, I bought a Dell Ultrasharp 22" widescreen earlier this year, and I've been much happier with my home PC since.

      My only gripe is that both Dell LCDs I use have one dead pixel each.

    26. Re:Probably not colors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A black background with green text is easiest on the eyes. Our eyes see green the best, that is why interstate highway signs are green. Also, we see a 'blue' sky when it is actually violet due to our eyes 'seeing' green the best.

    27. Re:Probably not colors by crath · · Score: 1

      I too experience the symptoms you describe; however, rather than colours affecting me I find that it is mostly the ambient lighting that causes me grief.

      The quality of the CRT/LCD is definitely also a factor; but, for me, it's not the primary one.

      A few years ago, when my employer of that time enacted a work-from-home program, I built a home office and worked fulltime from that home office. I laid out some extra cash for indirect illumination dimmable fluorescent fixtures; specifically, Lithonia Avante Recessed Direct-Indirect. I have never regretted the $600 it cost me.

      The specific condition that induces eyestrain and headaches is where I have light that is brighter-than-my-monitor light shining directly into my eyes. Indirect lighting is the primary key to eliminating my eyestrain problem, with overall light levels also being a key (hence, the dimmable fluorescent fixture). Also, use newer fluorescents that have very high refresh frequencies; I used CF40s.

    28. Re:Probably not colors by lagfest · · Score: 1

      Also, CRTs tend to get slightly out of focus, especially as they age.

      I had a 21" CRT with a 140Hz refresh rate, but because it was very blurry, i still got a headache from it.

    29. Re:Probably not colors by mysticgoat · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Not yet mentioned but often a problem are reflections.

      Turn the monitor off and look at the dark screen as if it were a mirror. If you can see anything recognizable, or there are definite fuzzy brighter areas, then reflection might be the culprit.

    30. Re:Probably not colors by penguin_dance · · Score: 4, Informative

      If you wear corrective lenses, make sure you get your eyes checked regularly for any changes. Also, I found it worth the price to get a pair of glasses suited for the distance I sit from the computer.

      You should also be taking breaks at least once an hour. And keep in mind that people blink less than normal when on the computer so make sure you are blinking. I find that a good quality, moisturizing eye drop can help.

      Also check the brightness and contrast settings on your monitor. You may need to dim things down if you work in an area that already has bright lighting.

      The Mayo clinic also has a good list of tips.

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    31. Re:Probably not colors by Sniper98G · · Score: 1

      This is just due to the refresh rate of the monitors. If you have the option to set your monitor to a higher refresh rate do it. As far as eye strain is concerned the higher the better.

    32. Re:Probably not colors by electrosoccertux · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I don't even think quality of the monitor has anything to do with it either.

      Just turn up the contrast and turn down the brightness.

      If you have a funny color balance going on, turn down the blues in a custom color profile. This brings out the reds (relative to the blues) which will further enhance contrast (blue is a contrast destroying color; it is also right next to the hardest color men have detecting, violet).

      You can see this for yourself next time you're near some sunglasses. Try on some with yellow, orange, or pink lenses; and look far off into the distance. Particularly if you can look out of the store into a hazy area. Then try on some with blue or purple lenses. The contrast difference is night and day; the extra contrast from the yellow lenses helps your eyes distinguish objects from the grey haze. This is why shooters, skiers, and sometimes wind surfers will go for yellow or pink shades; and almost never blue.

    33. Re:Probably not colors by BlueBoxSW.com · · Score: 1

      I love the armchair philosophers here.

      Research says that on screen readability is best with dark blue on white, followed closely by black on white.

    34. Re:Probably not colors by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 2, Interesting

      To those environmental factors, I would also add two items: proper hydration (don't go thirsty) and not dwelling too much on an empty stomach.

      As for colours, nowadays it's mostly very dark on very light, but back in the pre-GUI days, white on blue was pretty soothing (which is odd, given the higher energy of blue photons versus red...).

    35. Re:Probably not colors by evilbessie · · Score: 1

      Colour preference is different in everyone. there is a condition (don't know the name too lazy to look it up) which means some colour combinations are seen better by some people (specifically with reading but it may also cover other things). I was told this when reading books to use a various different colour filters to find which one worked best for me. So it is a trial and error thing and no one else can give you the answer. But you can probably be tested somewhere.

    36. Re:Probably not colors by Magada · · Score: 1

      Word recognition is best, yes. Different kettle of fish

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    37. Re:Probably not colors by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 1

      The "green on black" was more a function of available technology than plain ergonomics. The old wonderful P4 phosphor was great mostly because it's very slow decay (on the order of the ½ second) made it impossible for the screen to flicker (flicker = headaches).

      (Who else despises geeky websites that try to recreate P4 phosphor CRTs???)

    38. Re:Probably not colors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      flickr?
      I find my tv isn't that good for web browsing.

    39. Re:Probably not colors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are crazy if you think you can get Flickr on TV.

    40. Re:Probably not colors by ebh · · Score: 2, Funny

      It should be OK if you stay in the chill room.

    41. Re:Probably not colors by PRMan · · Score: 1

      unless you've been using chartreuse on magenta

      Hey, I'm color-blind, you insensitive clod!

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    42. Re:Probably not colors by ivansanchez · · Score: 1

      If you can see shapes with your monitor off, it may be as well paranoid schizophrenia. :-)

    43. Re:Probably not colors by Peet42 · · Score: 1

      I would assume that they are running at different refresh rates. In general, the higher you can get away with setting the refresh rate the less headache-inducing the screen will be.

      A secondary factor may be the settings of the different computers you have the LCDs attached to - if (God forbid) you're using Windows systems, check that both have "Cleartype" enabled and that it has been tweaked for that particular monitor's arrangement of RGB on the screen. It really does make a difference.

      Of course, if both give you a headache over prolonged periods, it's most likely your eyesight. Bug your employer to buy you a good set of prescription VDU specs, preferably with a 20% grey tint. It's important that you get your eyes tested specially, even if you already have a prescription, as VDU specs are specifically set to focus your eyes at monitor distance. I'm wearing a pair now, and while the prescription's probably a couple of years out of date they still greatly reduce headaches and eyestrain, plus the 20% grey tint allows you to set the monitor brightness slightly higher which improves the contrast range and reduces the perceived brightness of reflections on the screen.

    44. Re:Probably not colors by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      And keep in mind that people blink less than normal when on the computer so make sure you are blinking. I find that a good quality, moisturizing eye drop can help.

      Just keep half a raw onion by your monitor, that'll keep you blinking all day. As an added bonus, no-one will come and bother you while you're reading slashdot.

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    45. Re:Probably not colors by networkBoy · · Score: 0

      Wrong answer.
      he only uses incandescent lights.
      The filament doesn't appreciably dim in the transition of 50 or 60 cycle AC.

      now if you're talking LED lighting, then yes, he must be using only DC.
      -nB

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    46. Re:Probably not colors by H0p313ss · · Score: 1

      There's a guy at work that still has his set to 60Hz; I can't look at it for more than 5 seconds but he swears he can't see any flicker.

      Have you also noticed that when you ask them about it they look at you like YOU are the crazy one?

      After meeting people who could and others who could not see the flicker at 60Hz I started to casually keep track of this. From my limited observations I would say at least half the population can't see the flicker.

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    47. Re:Probably not colors by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 1

      There are many times I've sat down to someone's computer where the monitor was to set to 60Hz refresh. That would drive me insane, but some people don't even seem to notice it. I guess it depends on your eyes. I changed the refresh rate on my Dad's computer and he never seemed to noticed.

      Maybe LCDs have spoiled me but these days I notice even 75Hz flickering in my near peripheral vision.

      As far as monitors go, I always loved those old green monochrome monitors with a really slow "decay" from the original IBM PC 5150 days.

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    48. Re:Probably not colors by AKAImBatman · · Score: 4, Insightful

      A secondary factor may be the settings of the different computers you have the LCDs attached to - if (God forbid) you're using Windows systems, check that both have "Cleartype" enabled and that it has been tweaked for that particular monitor's arrangement of RGB on the screen. It really does make a difference.

      You know what works even better? Make the font bigger. The larger the glyphs are on the screen, the less your focusing system has to strain to clearly read the character.

    49. Re:Probably not colors by pm_rat_poison · · Score: 0, Troll

      the filament DOES dim. Experiment: with your palm open, put your fingers in front of your eyes and waive your hand. Look at the light. See?

    50. Re:Probably not colors by Mick+Malkemus · · Score: 0

      Even more important, is the background illumination. Never use a terminal without background illumination that is close to the illumination of the monitor itself. This reduces eyestrain./////////One color that helps a lot for people with dyslexia (you may have a form of it) is a peach background instead of white. This helps me immensely./////////Sorry, forgot the studies that I found this info on. I'm sure you can Google it.

    51. Re:Probably not colors by Bandman · · Score: 1

      Do those LED taillights drive you crazy too?

      My wife can't see them flash. I can tell the LED ones from a mile away. It freaks me out.

    52. Re:Probably not colors by Mick+Malkemus · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You SOLD to your own parents? I can't imagine that. Has America become so materialistic that we sell things to our own parents now?

    53. Re:Probably not colors by nine-times · · Score: 1

      contrary to some people's beliefs that an LCD is an LCD is an LCD.

      Who thinks that? At the very least, it makes a huge difference whether you're going to the LCD through VGA or DVI. But of course there's also response time, contrast ratio, brightness, and the qualities of the surface (glossy or matte). That's not even getting into anything very technical.

    54. Re:Probably not colors by fishyfool · · Score: 1

      Incandescent Light Bulbs DO refresh, and florescent lights flicker as well. Incandescent flickers (refresh) at 60 cycles a second because of the specs on power here in the US. (120v 60hz) Florescent flickers because the light is produced by an arc charged gas. (zap zap zap zap) Most people can't see this, some (myself included) can.

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    55. Re:Probably not colors by david.given · · Score: 1

      A secondary factor may be the settings of the different computers you have the LCDs attached to - if (God forbid) you're using Windows systems, check that both have "Cleartype" enabled and that it has been tweaked for that particular monitor's arrangement of RGB on the screen. It really does make a difference.

      It doesn't to me, because I have a dual-headed system with two monitors with different orientations. (In fact, even on a single monitor I find it gives unpleasant rainbow tinges to all the characters, no matter how it's configured.)

      In general I loathe the Windows font rendering system. It seems to insist on applying such aggressive hinting to the fonts that they show up far too spindly and with distorted shapes. On Linux, I use the Gnome control panel to turn the hinting all the way off, which gives slightly fuzzier characters but with far more even contrast and better shapes; does anyone know how to do this on Windows?

    56. Re:Probably not colors by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 1

      Personally, I've always found a dark violet background with pale yellow text in a bold font to be the easiest on the eyes.

      Find violet mutes the reflections a bit, and pale yellow gives lots of contrast, but isn't so brilliant ow-lights-in-my-eyes as white text, and doesn't look washed out like green does.

      Plus, it makes me feel like a King.

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    57. Re:Probably not colors by xaxa · · Score: 1

      Don't they run from a DC battery? (I don't know how vehicles work, but I've never noticed flickering. Now that you've mentioned it, it'll probably drive me crazy.)

    58. Re:Probably not colors by default+luser · · Score: 1

      being said, I've always use white text on a black background

      I actually use something similar. I find that off-yellow text on a black background is by-far the least stressful on my eyes. The color specifically is (RGB) 242 242 0.

      I'm willing to bet that light text on dark backgrounds are better for your eyes (less light to stare at), but there are no studies to back this up. You'll just have to find what works for you.

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    59. Re:Probably not colors by Ihlosi · · Score: 1
      Don't they run from a DC battery? (I don't know how vehicles work, but I've never noticed flickering. Now that you've mentioned it, it'll probably drive me crazy.)

      They run from the alternator if the vehicle is moving.

      I hate them because I cannot see the flicker when looking directly at them, but see it clearly when they are in my peripheral vision (makes sense - cones have a longer time constant than rods, and more sensitivity). I find something that flickers at stroboscopic frequencies moving into my field of vision very distracting.

    60. Re:Probably not colors by johneee · · Score: 1, Informative

      Not appreciably, and not enough to make a difference when you're using a computer. Turn off an incandescent bulb and it dims slowly enough that you can see it going down as the filament cools. As the grandparent notes, it's not fast enough going down that it's going to flicker noticably when the AC goes from one side to the other and never actually goes completely black, only slightly dimmer in the middle.

      Fluorescents go dim when the phosphors stop being excited and it takes much less time for them to dim when full current is no longer going to them so there's noticable flicker sometimes when looking at them out of the corner of the eye or when interfering with the refresh on a monitor. But again, I don't think they go dark, just much dimmer.

      LEDs I think, because they dim so quickly when full power isn't applied to them, do end up flickering the worst when under AC power; for some people it's enough that they can notice it when looking at them directly, and pretty much everyone when seen out of peripheral vision.

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    61. Re:Probably not colors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Damn your flickr for corruptng my spellng!

    62. Re:Probably not colors by XnavxeMiyyep · · Score: 1

      Back when I had a CRT, I could see its flicker at 65 Hz, but almost no one else could see it. I think we Slashdotters and computer geeks have superhuman eyesight.

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    63. Re:Probably not colors by SQLGuru · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Starving college student + parents who think the kid needs to sacrifice something instead of just giving them money = student sells stuff to parents. Parents just donate it to Goodwill if it isn't something they'd actually use. Tends to keep the kid from blowing the money on unimportant things.

      Layne

    64. Re:Probably not colors by squizzar · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I tend to find the instant on/off of them to be more startling. Turn signals (which are orange over here in blighty) look weird with LEDs because they flash on and off instantly, rather than fading away a little bit.

    65. Re:Probably not colors by SQLGuru · · Score: 1

      Option 1: http://www.webtv.com/pc/

      Option 2: My HD TV has VGA inputs and I have a media PC hooked to it, so in my case, Flickr shows up pretty clear on my TV.

      Layne

    66. Re:Probably Not Colors by swordgeek · · Score: 1

      "If you have burning eyes with headaches then it's probably allergies. Most likely mold in the furniture or carpets."

      Bollocks. That's almost the last thing that's likely to be a problem. Eye problems (prescription, dry eyes, etc.) are most likely. Bad lighting is second. Genuine eyestrain from bad colours/fonts is next. About six feet below those issues would be the likelihood of mold allergies.

      "Since you're probably using a LCD you don't have any options on refresh rate so you're stuck there."

      So what? When will people finally understand that REFRESH RATE ON LCDs IS NOT RELEVANT IN THE SAME WAY AS IT IS ON CRTS?!

      "Don't use flourescent(sic) lighting. Great for the environment - crap for the eyes."

      True enough. Well, they're not great for the environment--they're just lower energy consumers. For those of us in northern climes, good ol' incandescent bulbs are nearly 100% efficient anyways, since the waste energy just goes to heat our houses.

      "I once had some prescription glasses that filtered out the yucky part of flourescent light."

      Can you elaborate on this? I'm quite curious about what they filtered out.

      Incidentally, green on black isn't the BEST choice--either green or amber on black were very good in their day. Black on green/amber is arguably a better combination, but redrawing that much real estate on vector screens was way too slow and flickery. However we can do better now, and should.

      Someone here suggested black on wheat--a very good combination of readability and low eyestrain. If you like bright text on dark backgrounds, play around for a while with relatively low-contrast pairs. (lightblue on darkslategrey, for a Unix example).

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    67. Re:Probably not colors by MyDixieWrecked · · Score: 1

      I've got a samsung at work (24", I forget the model number) and I really, really don't like it. midtones never look right and I get weird trails when dragging windows around when there's very specific colors involved in the dragging.

      I have calibrated it several times and have not been able to get it to look perfect. I used to do color calibrations for a prepress shop I worked in several years, and have never had an issue with calibrating like this before.

      At home, I've got 2 Dell Ultrasharp monitors and I love them. I'm considering getting a third since I'm spoiled at work with 3 monitors.

      The Dells are on par, if not slightly better than the Apple Cinema displays and significantly cheaper. The only thing I liked about the cinema displays were the Firewire ports, but the dells have 4 USB ports on them and I use those more than firewire nowadays (3+ years ago, that was a different story as my desktop machine only had 2 drive bays and 1 CD bay and I had several external firewire drives and my firewire ipod).

      Plus the dell monitors rotate and slide up and down and are black, which makes them more pleasing to the eyes.

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    68. Re:Probably not colors by Bandman · · Score: 1

      This too. First time I saw one, that's the thing I noticed. It's very jarring compared to the soft incandescents

    69. Re:Probably not colors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I never noticed flickr untill you pointed out yourself :)

    70. Re:Probably not colors by Bandman · · Score: 1

      I'm glad you said this. I've wondered for a while why they flickered, and I couldn't rationalize in my head why I saw them flickering from DC current

    71. Re:Probably not colors by In+hydraulis · · Score: 2, Informative

      I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest that being a diode, an LED hooked to AC is passing current during only half of the wave cycle.

      Provided the magnitude of the applied voltage doesn't invoke a reverse breakdown of the diode (which would destroy it), the diode is effectively off half of the time.

    72. Re:Probably not colors by bugg · · Score: 2, Informative

      Unless wikipedia and every site I've found on google is wrong, P4 phosphors are white. Sure you don't mean P1?

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monochrome_monitor

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    73. Re:Probably not colors by x-guru · · Score: 1

      I have been developing software or otherwise staring at a monitor for most of the day since 1995, and I have never had any eye problems. In fact with a couple of tricks, I have been able to work 12 to 16 hours per day, as a consultant, at very high resolutions (1600x1200) without any fatigue. Here are my tricks:

      1. Refresh rate. This is the most important thing for me. . Keep the refresh at 85 Hz or above for a CRT in order to eliminate flicker. A trick I learned long ago in my days as a sys admin(and I really do not know if this works for anyone else) was to look at the monitor with my peripheral vision. I found that a low refresh rate on a user's monitor would flicker in my peripheral vision even if it did not flicker straight on, and I was able to determine that the refresh rate was too low without accessing system settings.

      2. Brightness/Contrast. For YEARS I have had the brightness at 0% and the contrast at 50% or so. No one could ever understand why I had the screen so dark. Of course, they all wore eyeglasses, and I didn't. The way I see it, beaming a bright light into your eyes all day long cannot be good for your vision. I have short-cut keys assigned to increase the brightness and contrast in case I want to see a photo or a video with more brightness, but 99% of my work is staring at text.

      3. Get a good quality monitor. Several times in my career, I have requested included provisioning a certain monitor as part of my software contract. Even several years ago, a few hundred dollars could by you a very high-res, high-refresh rate monitor. I would insist on this, stating that no hourly rate is worth sacrificing my vision. For as long as they were available, I have worked on high-quality monitors that could handle 1600x1200 @ 85 Hz and 19" in size or better.

      4. If you work from home, as I have on occasion, try buying an ergonomic light for your computer and lower all other lighting. This can make a small but very worthwhile difference. As a consultant, if I could see and think clearly for just a couple more hours a day, it could have a *huge* positive impact on my project schedule. I have used the Eclipse for years.

      In conclusion, I am living proof that with some careful thought and a lot of persistance you can eliminate the long-term side effects of a computer-based career.

    74. Re:Probably not colors by H0p313ss · · Score: 2, Funny

      Back when I had a CRT, I could see its flicker at 65 Hz, but almost no one else could see it. I think we Slashdotters and computer geeks have superhuman eyesight.

      The first rule of supergeekdom is we don't talk about supergeekdom.

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    75. Re:Probably not colors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have grown so accustomed to the flickering world that the real sunlit world looks slomo to me. Hell the real world is bloated, I am fine with 60 FPS.

    76. Re:Probably not colors by ottothecow · · Score: 1

      It used to be really bad in high school. Some (most) of the library/computer lab systems were on 60hz despite all hardware involved definately supporting at least 85hz. To my eyes, the flicker was horrendous and I would get headaches just trying to work (bad if you are doing something like writing a timed essay). Of course on those systems they don't even let you have display properties because god forbid you might set the background to a notepad drawing of a penis, and the person working in the lab would just look at me like I was crazy. Nowdays this is probably less of an issue...systems may default higher and LCDs have probably replaced CRTs even in high schools As an aside, another poster mentioned playing lots of FPSs as being a factor. At that time I was certainly playing a reasonable amount of CS or something so it might be true. I have noticed I often have a fairly acute sense of the flicker. I can see the flicker in flourescant lights with the cheap ballasts and I can see it in movie theaters when a scene is white/bright (was a pleasant surprise the first time I realized I was watching a digital projection...no flicker)

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    77. Re:Probably not colors by V!NCENT · · Score: 1

      Always make sure you have enough ambient light! Staring into a bulb of light in a dark area will damage you eyes.

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    78. Re:Probably not colors by honkycat · · Score: 1

      My old emacs color scheme was yellow on midnight blue. I'd read somewhere that yellow on blue was the highest effective color contrast, so tried it out and liked it. Unfortunately, this went to hell when syntax highlighting became the norm so now I just use the default black-on-white since I didn't want to redefine all the syntax colors to be readable on the blue background.

      I still prefer light grey on black for terminal sessions.

    79. Re:Probably not colors by radimvice · · Score: 4, Funny

      but back in the pre-GUI days, white on blue was pretty soothing

      ...ahh, I fondly remember those days, when seeing a soothing white-on-blue screen appear didn't yet cause me to instinctively start cursing and reach for the power switch...

    80. Re:Probably not colors by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      unless you've been using chartreuse on magenta or something

      Hey, that's the colour scheme of my luggage!

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    81. Re:Probably not colors by m50d · · Score: 1

      No, the AC will of course be rectified before passing to the LED. But that still means it's getting a |sin(x)| curve of voltage rather than a flat line.

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    82. Re:Probably not colors by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 1

      I can't say I've ever noticed LED blinking. It sounds like I should be thankful for it.

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    83. Re:Probably not colors by D+Ninja · · Score: 5, Funny

      I sell my old tech to my parents all the time. I like to teach them the value of money.

    84. Re:Probably Not Colors by CronoCloud · · Score: 1

      I found that flourescent is okay as long as it's a compact flourescent (which are usually somewhat color corrected) that's shaded somehow, like in a traditional light beige table lamp lampshade.

    85. Re:Probably not colors by dosius · · Score: 2, Insightful

      People wonder why the hell I need a 23 point font for IRC when I have 20/15 vision. I just say I want to keep it that way.

      -uso.

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    86. Re:Probably not colors by nmb3000 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It seems to insist on applying such aggressive hinting to the fonts that they show up far too spindly and with distorted shapes. ...does anyone know how to do this on Windows?

      I highly recommend the ClearType Tuner. There's a web version, but the control panel applet is nicer I think because changes are immediately shown.

      I don't care for ClearType when on normal strength, but after fiddling with that tool I prefer it over having ClearType off. If you do use ClearType, you should also grab Consolas, a great monospaced font designed explicitly for ClearType.

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    87. Re:Probably not colors by dwiget001 · · Score: 1

      I have a 21" P275 IBM CRT monitor on my main system at home. Max res: 2048 x 1536. However, I cannot read the text easily on menus and such at that res, so I have to knock it down one notch to 1920 x 1440. Next to it, on my 2nd system, I have a ViewSonic 19" LCD with max res of 1280 x 1024. When I set them both to 1280 x 1024, it is a bit easier on my eyes to utilize the LCD to code on. I use white background, mostly black text color scheme in jEdit for my coding work. Some colors for function names, variables and the like, tweaked from jEdit's defaults. I can turn the gamma down on the IBM a bit and it is then almost as easy on the eyes as my LCD. As a rule, I do like the additional screen real estate I get on the IBM when I crank up the resolution towards max, however. If I was going to be coding for longer periods of time, I would do it on an LCD *and* would get a better resolution LCD monitor to increase the screen real estate also.

    88. Re:Probably not colors by nabsltd · · Score: 1

      There are these brand new things called "capacitors" that can be used to smooth the output of a rectifier bridge. I guess that the $60+ LED bulbs designed to replace incandescent bulbs can't afford the extra $0.20 in parts to do this.

    89. Re:Probably not colors by mounthood · · Score: 1

      You know what works even better? Make the font bigger. The larger the glyphs are on the screen, the less your focusing system has to strain to clearly read the character.

      Variable width fonts help too. It may be unconventional and cause formatting hassles, but if you're staring at it all day you have to do what's easiest to work with.

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    90. Re:Probably not colors by differentialman · · Score: 2, Funny

      some of us aren't willing to trade our extra screen space to alleviate massive headaches and temporary insanity

    91. Re:Probably not colors by RobertM1968 · · Score: 1

      Researchers also say that amber on black, or green on black are optimal. Researchers have also said white on black is optimal. I wonder which it is... maybe one day they will make up their minds.

      So... what was your point again? ;-)

      Mine was there are a lot of easy ways to alleviate eye strain that should be taken that are all external (or in addition to) your color selection in your text editor.

    92. Re:Probably not colors by RobertM1968 · · Score: 1

      You are correct... we are on the same page... but contrary to some people's beliefs...

      Keep in mind, most computer users are not slashdot tech saavy readers... and in a store, much of the things you pointed out do not show in a casual observation... and most consumers wouldn't have a clue about the points you brought up - while a small subset of that would at least know "higher brightness is better... lower response is better... dunno what any of that means... but I know I need to look for a higher number in one, and a lower in the other..."

    93. Re:Probably not colors by Ant+P. · · Score: 1

      I find Cleartype unreadable with any amount of tweaking. Even on a DVI connection, I have to turn it off or I get eyestrain. The antialiasing in other OSes doesn't have this effect on me.
      I'd prefer a 200dpi screen though.

    94. Re:Probably not colors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So let me get this straight. You bought "a couple of cheap LCDs"... a while ago. So they're low-grade and extremely low-value right now. Then you sold those LCDs to your parents. Nice guy. Dickhead.

    95. Re:Probably not colors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mod parent up to 11.

      I'm really frustrated with how many new machines come with high-gloss LCDs these days. 1 hour headache, guaranteed.

    96. Re:Probably Not Colors by trongey · · Score: 1

      "If you have burning eyes with headaches then it's probably allergies. Most likely mold in the furniture or carpets."

      Bollocks. That's almost the last thing that's likely to be a problem. Eye problems (prescription, dry eyes, etc.) are most likely. Bad lighting is second. Genuine eyestrain from bad colours/fonts is next. About six feet below those issues would be the likelihood of mold allergies.

      You can call bollocks if you like, but I (and many others in my office) had exactly the same symptoms until we complained enough that the company finally broke down and paid for thorough cleaning of the fabric surfaces and the HVAC ducts.

      "Since you're probably using a LCD you don't have any options on refresh rate so you're stuck there."

      So what? When will people finally understand that REFRESH RATE ON LCDs IS NOT RELEVANT IN THE SAME WAY AS IT IS ON CRTS?!

      I didn't say it was relevant. I just said he doesn't probably have the option to change it.

      "I once had some prescription glasses that filtered out the yucky part of flourescent light."

      Can you elaborate on this? I'm quite curious about what they filtered out.

      Well, it was over 20 years ago, but I remember them having a slight green or brown tint due to the coating. They were intended to filter certain wavelengths - probably either UV or some of the blues.

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    97. Re:Probably not colors by nine-times · · Score: 1

      I wasn't arguing with you. I just wasn't aware that it was opinion anyone was taking seriously.

    98. Re:Probably not colors by n7ytd · · Score: 3, Interesting

      An optometrist once recommended to me the "20-20-20" rule: Every 20 minutes at the computer, look at something at least 20 feet away for at least 20 seconds.

    99. Re:Probably not colors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I worked in the Silicon Valley during the boom, when we were all putting in 14 hour days 6 or 7 days a week trying to make our companies a success so we could cash in on stock options. People would ask me how I could sit in front of a computer for so long without going cross eyed or blind or crippled with carpal tunnel.

      I told them: I smoke. Every hour or so, I get up from my desk, go outside and "breath the fresh air". It changes my depth of focus, my ambient lighting and my posture for a few minutes.

      I realize the associated risks, but it's a built-in "you've been at your desk for too long" break alarm. And I've never had eye strain, headaches or the like.

    100. Re:Probably not colors by OAB_X · · Score: 1

      You SOLD to your own parents? I can't imagine that. Has America become so materialistic that we sell things to our own parents now?

      I *give* things to my parents but they insist on paying me for them!

    101. Re:Probably not colors by langelgjm · · Score: 1

      Why is this modded insightful? Granted, if the GP could buy a "couple" of LCDs, they probably didn't need to sell the old ones to their parents, but the idea of relatives selling things to each other in general isn't 'materialistic.' For all you know, GP could have sold them for chump change.

      I sold my labor to my parents when I worked for my dad over summers. Parents sell their cars and such to their children all the time. Not everyone is in a financial situation where they can afford to simply give things away, and some people believe that paying money for valuable things actually teaches you an important lesson, or some nonsense like that.

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    102. Re:Probably not colors by arth1 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Yes. Here in the US, it's even common for people to sell presents they've been given.
      I gave someone an old computer because she needed one, and then she turned around and sold it. And then had the audacity to tell me with a smile how much she got.

      Back in the old world, this would be considered beyond rude, bordering on fraud, but "rude" is defined very differently over here. Greed isn't considered a bad word here where money always comes first, and if you give someone something instead of making a buck on it, you're considered a fool. So selling things to your parents would be par for course.

    103. Re:Probably not colors by johneee · · Score: 1

      Well, the $60.00+ ones most likely do, because really, if they didn't, they'd be unusable. The strings of LED christmas lights certainly do not, and they give me a headache just looking at them from across the street.

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    104. Re:Probably not colors by Decameron81 · · Score: 1

      It usually helps me A LOT to set a dark background (not black, a dark gray is better) and light colored text / glyphs / caret. A friend of mine showed this to me. At first I thought this was stupid... that it was my friend trying to look like a geek while using text editors. But to be honest I ended up realizing that it's too much white on screen what really hurts my eyes.

      Once you have set this up, start playing with the color of the text to make sure you find the perfect match... you want opaque colors. Also, you don't want to have a hight contrast, only enough (start testing colors).

      Example:

      For background:
              Hue: 160
              Sat: 0
              Lum: 73
              Red: 78
              Green: 78
              Blue: 78

      For text:
              Hue: 119
              Sat: 94
              Lum: 175
              Red: 159
              Green: 213
              Blue: 211

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    105. Re:Probably not colors by PitaBred · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't it be slightly healthier to set a recurring alarm or something that'd tell you to stand up and stretch and wander around? Let the computer watch the clock for you, rather than waiting to notice yourself twitching and needing a cig?

    106. Re:Probably not colors by Glog · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Alright, we have a lot people vouching for the superiority of "pricey" LCD screens - I doubt it's the price alone that eases the strain on the eyes. The real questions is - what is it about "pricier" models that makes them easier on the eyes - perhaps if we are able to isolate the one or two or five features that improve the user's experience (as far as eye-strain) we'd be better off when comparison shopping for LCD's. Any suggestions? I'd be interested since I am also in the market for a new monitor.

    107. Re:Probably not colors by CopaceticOpus · · Score: 1

      I saw an optometrist recently who explained that because of the way pixels are displayed on a monitor, our eyes are constantly refocusing while we're at the computer. This can cause a lot of strain over time. There are glasses available which are designed specifically for computer use which can alleviate this problem.

      There is a warning sign that your eyes are overstrained. If you move your eyes from focusing close to focusing on something far away, and you experience a delay in focusing, that means trouble. It's time to turn off the monitor and make an appointment with your eye doctor.

    108. Re:Probably not colors by LordMyren · · Score: 1

      I have a 206BW at work and its color reproduction is atrocious. My Rally project management software's website is a pale maroon/brown color and it just comes out as light biege, its so awful.

      IMO browns are the best place to see how bad your monitor sucks.

      Also, LCD arms are way better than stands. The footprint is ~6 square inches, freeing that deskspace for keyboard or junk. At work I use a 30" wide monitor stand and have my keyboard under it, but thats only because my second display is my laptop.

    109. Re:Probably not colors by hesaigo999ca · · Score: 1

      They also already had this same story on /. before, (sorry don't have link ...google it!)
      I think its a waste of time to worry about that.

    110. Re:Probably not colors by skeeto · · Score: 1

      All Americans sell off their childhood belongings once they reach adulthood in order to build capital, thus providing better opportunity for profit.

      .. or was that Ferengi?

    111. Re:Probably not colors by e2d2 · · Score: 1

      I know right? I would have done a lease deal with an option to buy. Over the long run you'll make more money.

      But seriously, this has fuck all to do with materialism and everything to do with recouping costs so we can buy other things. Please remember that some of us do not live with our parents anymore and when we sell goods, we expect payment. Sure if my parents need food I give. They need money? I give. All needs will be taken care of to the best of my ability. But if they want my plasma TV? Pay up bitches

    112. Re:Probably not colors by bot24 · · Score: 1

      You got lucky then. Some of the Dell LCDs at my school have a terrible flicker in the uneven backlighting. It's painful to use one of the problem screens for an entire lab.

    113. Re:Probably not colors by PeterBrett · · Score: 2, Informative

      Also, environmental factors. For example, I've been in various cubes over the years and the ones where there was a light fixture visible from my chair as I looked at my monitor caused fatigue faster than when the fixture was not visible (this includes when the fixture was behind me....basically visible in any direction from a sitting position at my desk). Also, for a while, they allowed us to dim the fixtures (turn off/remove one bulb) which helped too (not completely dark, but more cavelike).

      For those of you in the UK: if you are experiencing a problem like this in the UK and your employer refuses to fix it properly (providing decent lighting with diffusers, for instance), they are violating workplace health and safety regulations and can be liable to large fines. Don't put up with it -- get it fixed.

    114. Re:Probably not colors by e2d2 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Where is the "old world"?

      You sound pretty jaded by American culture but just keep in mind that like most things in life, we are deeper than we appear on the surface. Not everyone in the US is a greedy selfish low life. But those few that are seem to make the most impact on people. I would never sell a gift and I was raised to appreciate a gift no matter the value. But yet I was raised in America. I'm not an oddity, I'm a common person. IMO you ran into the oddity, she sold your gift.

    115. Re:Probably not colors by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      I don't know the situation but I wouldn't be so quick to judge. Some parents are the kind of people who don't believe in getting something for free without earning it. Maybe his parents insisted. Maybe they only paid $20 each.

      When I moved into my new house, I had to get rid of my old washer and dryer. The laundry closet is small and I have to either get a combo washer and dryer or stackable units. The washer and dryer were only 3 years old but used only 1 year because I put them into storage for 2 years. I rented a room in a house that already had them. Basically they were almost new. My parents wanted to pay for them and I had to fight for them for a while before they would take them as gifts. I finally won them over when I pointed out their old ones were 15 yrs old and the cost of moving them to my new town wasn't worth it.

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    116. Re:Probably not colors by arth1 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Where is the "old world"?

      A hop and a skip, a splash and a flip, across the pond. :-)

    117. Re:Probably not colors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      a light fixture visible from my chair as I looked at my monitor caused fatigue faster than when the fixture was not visible

      For the past few years I've found it helpful wearing a baseball hat with a long visor and a dark color under the brim to reduce eye fatigue. It works.

    118. Re:Probably not colors by arth1 · · Score: 1

      But seriously, this has fuck all to do with materialism and everything to do with recouping costs so we can buy other things.

      Um, that is a good definition of materialism...

    119. Re:Probably not colors by springbox · · Score: 1

      That's because other methods of anti aliasing don't make the screen look like it has exploded with rainbows

    120. Re:Probably not colors by Ihlosi · · Score: 1
      All Americans sell off their childhood belongings once they reach adulthood in order to build capital, thus providing better opportunity for profit.

      .. or was that Ferengi?

      Must have been the Ferengi. The Americans sell off their childhood belongings so they can pay the interest on the loands they used to buy adulthood belongings (plasma TV, boat, SUV, house).

    121. Re:Probably not colors by Omestes · · Score: 1

      Pure white on pure black is too high contrast for my tastes. If using bright on dark, I try for a light gray on black, it is a little better on the eyes. To much contrast is also not a good thing.

      I still prefer green on black, I'm not sure if there is a perceptual reason for this, or just nostalgia, though.

      All of this, of course, comes with the caveat: whatever works for you is obviously the superior answer.

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    122. Re:Probably not colors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      stop your whining. I bet you have a hard time throwing away Christmas (er.. holiday) cards, don't you. Obviously she needed the money more than your crappy old computer. Some people keep their crap - what others do with it is none of your business. Tell us, how long should she have kept that crappy computer before selling it? 1 year, 2? It would've been worth less, furthermore the new carpet she bought with the loot really ties the room together.

    123. Re:Probably not colors by Hellpop · · Score: 1

      You're lucky! My deadbeat parents can't afford my old tech.

      I have to sell it to my children.

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      "People are stupid; given proper motivation, almost anyone will believe almost anything."
    124. Re:Probably not colors by e2d2 · · Score: 1

      But seriously, this has fuck all to do with materialism and everything to do with recouping costs so we can buy other things.

      Um, that is a good definition of materialism...

      Actually it's not. Materialism is not selling goods. Materialism is when you put said goods above all else and determine a person's worth to humanity using no other measures but physical health, beauty, and riches.

      Materialism: "The theory or attitude that physical well-being and worldly possessions constitute the greatest good and highest value in life."

    125. Re:Probably not colors by StackedCrooked · · Score: 1

      You SOLD to your own parents? I can't imagine that. Has America become so materialistic that we sell things to our own parents now?

      So what? If my parents agree to buy something from me, then who are you to judge that?

    126. Re:Probably not colors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not all America, just the USA...

    127. Re:Probably not colors by jzono1 · · Score: 1

      panel types make a big difference. s-ips being the best you can get. cheap lcds use tn panels which are really horrible.

    128. Re:Probably not colors by pm_rat_poison · · Score: 1

      well, in all seriousness, the mininum refresh rate that cannot be distinguished from continuous moving image is different from person to person. Hence why some people find the 60 Hz refresh rate setting on their display unbearable and others don't have a problem. But for some (albeit very few) people even the 60Hz (at best) Hz that is the frequency the filament flickers are perceptible, and therefore annoying.

    129. Re:Probably not colors by shihonage · · Score: 1

      Actually colors have a big impact on sensitive eyes. I have dry eye syndrome, and it's been much easier for me to code once I adopted a refined "light colors on dark colors" scheme for Visual Studio. I think it's called ZenVim or ZenMax or something. Of course with dry eye syndrome I also have to wear swimming goggles when looking at monitors, but that's a different story...

    130. Re:Probably not colors by satoshi1 · · Score: 1

      This is the case with me, too. I really wish I could have smooth fonts in Windows with ClearType, but it just makes the text unreadable on my LCD with DVI, whereas withOUT smoothing and such under Linux, the text is barely recognizable (but is oh so pretty with everything enabled).

    131. Re:Probably not colors by lpq · · Score: 1

      It depends on what it is -- but my parents charged me interest on a loan I took out from them. They got better rates than in the bank, I got better rates than the bank -- we both won. But if they just loaned me the money with no payback to them -- that wouldn't be a win-win.

      Money is like electricity -- you can use it to get things done. It's not the same type of thing as "love" or a relationship w/parents or family.

      It's good to keep relationships "clean" -- so neither side feels they are being "put upon".

      I think my dad sold my sister their previous car, as well. What, oh..I forgot, parents are just supposed to give their kids a car these days?

      But these things totally depend on the specific situation.

      If your parents are in the market for an "X" and you are going to sell your "X" in good condition and think they'd be fine w/X, what's the problem with both parties getting a good deal?

      It's not about materialism -- its about not using people at every single step. You gift when it is from the heart -- not because of "automatic" rules about what you should do.

      But then -- this is how my parents raised me -- you may have had a different upbringing -- so you have to do what works in your family. Geez....can't believe you'd even have the rudeness to criticize someone on their dealings with their parents -- you don't have any idea about their situation. It may be exactly how the parents trained them and what the parents would want -- so my comment to you would be "you'd have the person violate their parents wishes?!?"

      Busybodies! Hrmph. :-)

    132. Re:Probably not colors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I find that the level of contrast between a bright LCD and a dark room can increase eyestrain. In my home workspace, as well as the office, I have lamps behind each of my two my monitors to illuminate the area.

      Similarly, in an apparent race for the brightest LCD, I find that my home LCD's are so bright that I have to set them to 25/100 brightness for comfort. This also relates to the level of contrast in the room at night, when I normally use them.

      -arr

    133. Re:Probably not colors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      no they do not you ignorant slut.

      the filament does not cool enough to significantly alter light output between cycles

    134. Re:Probably not colors by jyurkiw · · Score: 1

      Colors have a huge effect on how tired your eyes get, and how quickly they tire.

      Your eyes interpret color through a number of cones. One way your eyes can become tired is when the cones in your eyes get too used to one specific color and begin having trouble interpreting the color on the opposite end of the color wheel. The same thing can happen to the rods in your eyes if you take in too much bright light. However, the worst offender is when your eyes are forced to interpret opposite colors on the color wheel at the same time. Think of it as trying to do two things at once that are about as opposite as you can get...like eating and running. Your eyes don't like to do it.

      Ever been driving or at the movies and a bright reflection or flashes from the screen leave you seeing afterimages of what you just saw? You know, when you close your eyes and you can still see the general shape of what you were looking at or even, sometimes, pick out detail if you shut your eyes?

      That's the rods and cones in your eyes tiring out from being overstimulated.

      As a web developer and web surfer I personally found that the easiest way to keep your eyes from tiring out is to stay away from color schemes that utilize bright polar opposite colors. If you want an example, make a quick web page.

      In the body tag include this property: style="background-color: #000000;"
      In the page body include a h1 tag or two that say something in caps and include this property: style="color: #FFFFFF;"

      Now look at the page in your web browser and stare at the header text for ten to twenty seconds and close your eyes.

      Neat huh?

      Now give your eyes a rest, change the color value in the header tags to #888888 and take another look.

      Easier on the eyes right? If you want to play some more try it with bright red and bright blue. You'll get much the same effect.

      Off-centering one of the colors avoids polar opposites on the color wheel and is much easier on the eyes.

      I always had trouble working with word processors for long periods of time because the default color scheme was black text on a white background. If your monitor's turned up too high it's murder on your eyes; like trying to read or write on the beach without an umbrella or shade. Ever try reading in the sun? Almost impossible right? Same problem.

      I fix the problem by changing the default background color to a light gray. Much easier on the eyes even if your monitor's brightness is turned up.

    135. Re:Probably not colors by kras · · Score: 1

      It's good practice NOT to have your monitor too close to a wall. mine is about 15ft from the closest wall, and it allows to refocus the eyes to a longer distance away from the screen.

      --
      memento mori
    136. Re:Probably not colors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The reality is that it is still considered rude. However, a special exception is made when the parents are secretly worried about the state of the child's finances and their overall preponderance of slack. In such cases they are looking for any excuse to give the child money without it seeming too gratuitous. Then, they will "buy things" from the child that they could get cheaper on eBay in an effort to prevent the child from ever having to move back in with them.

    137. Re:Probably not colors by Domini · · Score: 1

      Na, don't make fonts bigger, just set your DPI to something larger... everything should scale (Unless you are in Linux where some applications just don't honour this even though you set it in the X11Config file)

      Also set your font/general anti-aliasing to match the RGB dot configuration of your monitor and activate ClearType on Windows.

      Don't discount loading monitor 'drivers' either... these help with better refresh rates etc.

      Set your CRT refresh rates to at last 80 Hz (I'm one of *those* people who does notice it)

      Environmental lighting, monitor brightness, color saturation/temperature and also screen position can help with problems such as eye strain, headaches and back pains.

    138. Re:Probably not colors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, both are extremely rude here in the US. I wouldn't associate with that sort of person if I were you.

    139. Re:Probably not colors by david.given · · Score: 1

      I highly recommend the ClearType Tuner [microsoft.com]. There's a web version, but the control panel applet is nicer I think because changes are immediately shown.

      Yeah, except I can't use ClearType. Not only do I hate the effect, it won't work on my monitors.

      Also, the ClearType Tuner goes to such great lengths to avoid telling you what it's doing that it's pretty much useless --- I know what settings I want, but it won't let me set that. All it does is present samples and say 'Which of these do you like best?' How should I know? I don't use that font, or that font size, or that monitor, or that colour...

    140. Re:Probably not colors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most of the research in this area is highly suspect. It certainly doesn't support a position as strong as you present.

    141. Re:Probably not colors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry, I don't get why this is funny?

    142. Re:Probably not colors by bigman2003 · · Score: 1

      Not only did he sell to his parents...but he knowingly sold them crappy monitors.

      Son of the year!

      --
      No reason to lie.
    143. Re:Probably not colors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think your eyes get used to it. I used to use a decent old Sony 19" CRT cranked up to 120Hz for games. After a few days straight of staring at it (last minutes crams for university projects....) I swear that I could see not just flicker, but individual pulses from the florescent lights (UK, so 50Hz)

    144. Re:Probably not colors by haxor.dk · · Score: 1

      Depends on the worth of the object in question. Do you give away a Ferrari?

    145. Re:Probably not colors by greyhueofdoubt · · Score: 1

      >>So selling things to your parents would be par for course.

      I've done both things before with family and friends. I think I can boil down the etiquette into:

      -Something you paid for recently, and basically new, and you no longer need for some reason. This get paid for, because if it wasn't going to the friend/parent, it'd be going right back to the store for a refund.

      -Something you were given, something that is well-used, something you know the person will actually use/need. This stuff is free or at the most quid pro quo.

      I bought a bike a few years back not realizing that I didn't enjoying riding bikes anymore. I mentioned this to my mom, and she offered to take it off my hands because she was in the market. She saved $50 on a $300 bike and I avoided the chance that the store might not take the return.

      I had a pair of nice solomon roller blades that were well-used but decent. I gave these to an aunt in return for dinner or something.

      I don't think the indignation by some posters above is warranted. Maybe cousins, siblings, friends, etc are economic peers, but parents and children are not peers. My parents are putting in a $20,000 kitchen right now and I got all the old cabinets for free. The reverse doesn't really work, imo. I don't have anything like that to offer them. When I do buy something, I buy it because I need it. If, like my bicycle, I do decide to sell it to someone in my family, it will be discounted. Would you expect a child to buy their parents two $200 monitors or a $300 bike for xmas? It sounds weird that way.

      -b

      --
      No offense, but I've stopped responding to AC's.
    146. Re:Probably not colors by arth1 · · Score: 1

      Tell us, how long should she have kept that crappy computer before selling it? 1 year, 2?

      The time isn't important -- the action of selling it is. It should either have been returned, thrown away, stored or given as a gift. And if it had to be sold, for whatever reason, the money should go back to the giver or a charity. Making a profit on a gift is greed and selfishness, two of the worst traits of humanity.

      It would've been worth less,

      There is the problem -- you don't appreciate gifts based on their monetary value. Or, rather, you, Anonymous Coward, perhaps do, but some of us have a little more integrity than that, and try to give the the giver some respect.

    147. Re:Probably not colors by FlightlessParrot · · Score: 1

      Remember to blink. I thought I was getting conjunctivitis doing a crap job that involved a lot of high-stress screen use. Nope. I was just staring, anxiously in my case. Blink to lubricate your eyes, and use eye-drops. And, like SQLGuru says, do look-away breaks, and do get-up-and-walk-around breaks, too. Colour schemes might help, too, but this one might be PEBKAC. Get well.

    148. Re:Probably not colors by inject_hotmail.com · · Score: 1

      I'd say four factors:

      1. True contrast,
      2. Resolution,
      3. Refresh/ real response rate,
      4. Brightness

      1. 2000:1 contrast doesn't exist for under $3,000. Look for the real contrast ratio, probably something like 600:1.

      2. Look for the "native resolution", ask for it. A 22" wide-screen at 1680 x 1050 is good. If it's not widescreen, look for at least 1280 x 1024. 1600 x 1400 would be good.

      3. High refresh rates (the number of times the image is re-created on your screen) are your eye's best friends. Unfortunately, 60Hz is all we get in LCD monitors... 70Hz or 75Hz would be best. Some LCDs say they go to 75Hz, but I think they just pretend. They say that refresh rates don't effect LCDs, but, I still say they do. LCDs don't flicker like CRTs do, but, some LCDs aren't as clean looking as better ones. "Real response rate" means don't believe 2ms...this is grey-to-grey response (it means very little). Real response times will be like 8ms...basically, response time means how quickly the monitor can go from pure black, to white, then to pure black again. If you aren't going to game or watch movies don't worry. If you are, get the lowest possible black-to-black response time to prevent blurring. Some companies don't publish this info because their marketing department doesn't want people to know the truth. Don't buy from these companies.

      4. Don't believe 2000cd/m2, that's "dynamic brightness"...the real number will be 250 or 300. 300 and above will be good.

      Secondly, I'll say that price isn't a 100% guaranteed metric. The Samsung 2220wm is fantastic, and is just over $250 retail. There's another 22" wide Samsung for a few dollars more, but I forget which model.

      Viewing angle is less of an issue these days, I haven't seen anything less than 170degrees in ages.

      If you plan to watch HD-DVD or BluRay, make sure it says HDCP on it, and has a DVI-D connector.

      I read in another slashdot article that some Apple monitors don't actually display 16.7M colors. It might be true. So, make sure your new monitor can display 24bit color, or 16.7M simultaneously.

      Last thing: make sure it's NOT GLOSSY! Who...in their right mind...would produce a glossy monitor? They have no brain in their head, or never have to look at it. I know why, really. It's because they want the picture to -seem- brighter. It isn't, and your eyes and head will ache from focusing on all the things behind you. Don't buy it. In fact, if you see one at the shop, accidentally tip it onto the floor, and blame the troll under the counter. The next guy that was going to buy it will not have to suffer thanks to you.

      I could have talked about dead or stuck pixels, but they are rare these days...if you get one, see if they'll take it back.

      Good luck!

    149. Re:Probably not colors by inject_hotmail.com · · Score: 1

      If your monitor's refresh rate was equal to the ambiant lighting's refresh rate, you could almost guarantee a headache

      Maybe you should stop programming in raves! Turn off the strobe lights - my light bulbs don't refresh!

      Even though they generate light from super-heating tungsten wire, incandescent lights still refresh 60 times per second due to their power source...your alternating current electricity. People say I'm crazy, but I can see it...just like the stupid 15-16kHz high tension whine CRT TVs make...drives me nuts. I live near a Walmart that has a broken sound system...no one else hears it, but there's a nerve-grating, tension-generating, migraine-inducing, banshee-like high-pitch squealing noise coming from the speakers mounted in the ceiling. It has been like that for years.

      I rarely go there.

      If you have LED, or DC-powered lights, please ignore the preceding.

    150. Re:Probably not colors by magus_melchior · · Score: 1

      As rude as it was, you're in no position to tell him who to associate with. You don't know if she realized her folly and apologized afterwards.

      If everyone associated based on your criteria, friendship would be a lost art indeed.

      --
      "We are Microsoft. You shall be assimilated. Competition is futile."
    151. Re:Probably not colors by magus_melchior · · Score: 1

      This is why, if you absolutely must have that glossy-surfaced display (and I hear it makes images look clearer), you need to position it so it doesn't reflect the lighting from nearby lamps or windows.

      --
      "We are Microsoft. You shall be assimilated. Competition is futile."
    152. Re:Probably not colors by Titusdot+Groan · · Score: 1

      I have a hard time giving my parents valuable gifts, they won't accept them. We had a heck of a time getting my mom to accept a new Mac Mini for Mother's day even though all three of us were pitching in for it.

    153. Re:Probably not colors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My answer to your question is: I have no idea whether you get it or not.

    154. Re:Probably not colors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I got a monitor years ago, and it was a fairly good one (NEC I think), however, I would get wicked headaches about 1 hour in.

      After about 2 weeks of pain, I realised that the damn monitor had an LED power light that focused on my face. It was so incredibly bright that it caused huge strain on my eyes as they moved left and right (iris grow, iris shrink, ...). Well, a simple fix was to put some electrical tape across the LED. I could tell the monitor was on because of the sick glow around the tape.

      Needless to say, I pay attention to lighting around my monitor now. No bright lamps, reflective lighting only, minimal laser beams pointed at my face, etc.

    155. Re:Probably not colors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and of course a reasonable quality CRT is still going to be better then the best LCD.

      I have a small stockpile of 19" and 22" ViewSonics because I am dreading the day that a replacement CRT will be hard to find. Well they are already non-existent at my local retailers, but I live in a small town.

    156. Re:Probably not colors by toddestan · · Score: 1

      That's very a common problem with the dimming circuit in many monitors. Try turning the brightness all the way up, and it may go away. Whether having the screen burning your eyeballs out is better or worse than the flickering - that's up to you.

    157. Re:Probably not colors by toddestan · · Score: 1

      In terms of eye strain, what does the panel technology matter? Even the cheapest TN panels are perfectly sharp when you use a DVI connection.

      I would recommend going to this page and check out some of the test images:
      http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/

      Obviously if your primary concern is eye strain, you may not care much about the color rendering and whatnot, but a monitor where the contrast is good and has minimal pixel-walk and other artifacts would be best.

    158. Re:Probably not colors by dave87656 · · Score: 1

      I worked from '81 to about 2001 using CRTs and my eye sight remained essentially constant. Then, I started doing all of my work on a CRT and my eye sight in one eye deteriorated significantly (from 1.25 to 1.75 dioptrine).

      I don't know if this was just coincidence since I was approaching fifty, but a friend of mine reported a similar experience who is significantly younger.

      Since then, things have remained more or less stable. Your mileage may vary.

    159. Re:Probably not colors by eelke_klein · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Actually 6 bit panels with temporal dithering are something of the last couple of years. Older panels from before the response time craze are often fully 8-bit per channel.

      The problem is most often the use of an analog (VGA) connection instead if a digital (DVI-D) connection. As especially with cheaper videocards the analog signal is not completly stable most LCD-monitors contain filters to compensate this. However this still does result in a slightly blurred image or in worse cases slight flickering. Some very old S3 videocard at work cannot display a fully stable image on a LCD screen their signals are far to unstable which confuses the monitor.

      I also have seen some cheap panels where the backlight was flickering (some Acer models).

    160. Re:Probably not colors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you are crazy, but because you would actually play an FPS on a television.

    161. Re:Probably not colors by mibus · · Score: 1

      You SOLD to your own parents? I can't imagine that. Has America become so materialistic that we sell things to our own parents now?

      I sell to my parents, on odd occasions. I also buy from them, trade with them, and freely exchange things of less value* with them.

      * Not in a dollar sense, but a desirability sense.

      I see no problem with it at all - we certainly don't use anything like RRP. Usually (depending on the item) if we use money, it's in the 10%-50% of current "real" value.

      Some stuff (like I said) we just pass around (usually dealing with it like it's a perpetual loan; offering it back as a first option if we want to get rid of it). Other stuff (of greater "real" value) we'll deal closer to the mark (80-90%).

      It just depends on what seems fair for each thing. We work it out ourselves, and everybody has always been happy with the arrangement.

    162. Re:Probably not colors by avheretic · · Score: 1

      This is weird, I have been having problems with the monitor at work (rather dim and fuzzy around the edges) for months and after reading this reply decided to check my refresh rate. Sure enough, it was set to 60Hz. A quick change to 75Hz and the screen has visibly improved.

    163. Re:Probably not colors by Ihlosi · · Score: 1

      Even though they generate light from super-heating tungsten wire, incandescent lights still refresh 60 times per second due to their power source...your alternating current electricity.

      No. If anything, the "refresh" at twice the line frequency (120 Hz or 100 Hz), since a resistor doesn't distinguish between the two half-waves of a sine.

    164. Re:Probably not colors by Mick+Malkemus · · Score: 1

      Great. I'm glad that works for you and your family. One of the blessings of freedom...

    165. Re:Probably not colors by Mick+Malkemus · · Score: 1

      Judgment would be: "You are a lame son for selling to your parents". I simply asked questions, and stated my amazement. This is NOT a judgment.

    166. Re:Probably not colors by Mick+Malkemus · · Score: 1

      LOL. Fantastic, I couldn't have said it better myself.

    167. Re:Probably not colors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      or had the monitor set next to a power line inside the wall. the magnetic field would cause the screen image to wobble, the fix was to set the refresh to 60 Hz so that each line on the screen would be offset by the same amount, but also guaranteeing that it matched the ambient lighting frequency.

    168. Re:Probably not colors by aproposofwhat · · Score: 1
      Readability isn't the issue - it's how stressful the colour combinations are for a long session of coding.

      .
      My preference is for grey on blue, but then I'm old :o)

      --
      One swallow does not a fellatrix make
    169. Re:Probably not colors by KlaymenDK · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I've always done that on my computers (at least, when supported by the OS). I also adjust the dpi setting to the actual value; the default is 96 dpi but my laptop actually is 130-ish, making for a very small user interface unless adjusted (even more fun: work dual-screen with an external monitor that has an entirely different dpi resolution).

      The downside is that few applications play nice with setups that are not default font size and dpi setting. I have quite a few applications where the bottom and right 5-10% is just not accessible, it's beyond the window edge (and not just low-grade apps either, this happens in MD5summer as well as in Lotus Notes).

      Adjustment is the Right Thing to do, just don't expect the world to be prepared for that kind of actions. :)

    170. Re:Probably not colors by KlaymenDK · · Score: 1

      if you're using Windows systems, check that both have "Cleartype" enabled and that it has been tweaked for that particular monitor's arrangement of RGB on the screen.

      How do you find out if your particular monitor is RGB, or RBG, or whatever? I mean, if it's not in the manual, how do you know which selection to make?

    171. Re:Probably not colors by Peet42 · · Score: 1

      Either look at the screen with a magnifying glass/camera lens, or just try the four(?) options to see which looks best on your screen.

    172. Re:Probably not colors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you haven't posted anonymous, I would have explained it to you.

    173. Re:Probably not colors by nickos · · Score: 1

      it does only colour highlighting, not font based highlighting (old Turbo/Delphi style).

      I've never heard of this before. Could you explain what you mean or show some images that demonstrate it?

    174. Re:Probably not colors by Glog · · Score: 1

      That was a very informative post. Thank you!

    175. Re:Probably not colors by x-guru · · Score: 1

      Your eye doctor will probably tell you that the average age at which most people require glasses is 45.

    176. Re:Probably not colors by lsatenstein · · Score: 1

      The problem is that of 18 inches or of intense straining. Let me explain. For the 18 inch problem, your eyes may be forcing themselves to focus and that is causing the tiredness. The other reason is that you are doing intense work, such as programming or other tasks that cause you to do a hard stare (if you can do that hard), so that when you change screens, the information is still in your mind. That stare to concentrate also causes some eyestrain. Then of course, you may have both problems. Get an eye exam to correct focus related problems. Slack off a bit for the other problem.

      --
      Leslie Satenstein Montreal Quebec Canada
    177. Re:Probably not colors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I second the computer glasses; made a world of difference for me.
      Also the aforementioned 20-20-20 rule is good, too.

    178. Re:Probably not colors by dave87656 · · Score: 1

      Your eye doctor will probably tell you that the average age at which most people require glasses is 45.

      Good point. A friend of mine experienced the same thing and he was younger, but then again, there may have been other factors. I wonder, though, if there is any correlation between the conversion to LCDs and eyesight.

    179. Re:Probably not colors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Think better. If he considers it common, it's because he's associating with people who do it on a regular basis. And what the hell do you mean, "I'm in no position"?

    180. Re:Probably not colors by Man+On+Pink+Corner · · Score: 1

      You have a source for those figures in your sig? They seem insanely high. I know damn well that one in twenty US workers isn't pulling down $189K.

    181. Re:Probably not colors by lpq · · Score: 1

      The figures were for 2006 income published in early May in the Wall Street Journal.

      The stats I copied from the article were:

      US wealth stats
                            2000 2006 change
      average of bottom 90% 31,437 30173 -4%
      90% up to 95% 115,347 117,688 +2%
      95-99percentile 186,703 188,513 +1%
      99-99.5 %tile 369,105 393,583 +6.6%
      99.5-99.9 703,199 760,680 +8.2%
      top .1-.01 2,368,310 2,569,388 +8.5%
      top .01% 14,128,633 17,265,190 +22.2%

    182. Re:Probably not colors by lpq · · Score: 1

      So much for "ecode" keeping a table straight...(sigh)

      The part most interesting -- is that 90% of Americans (making $117K/year) saw spending power decline by 4%. While the richest .01% -- went up by an astounding 22.2%... Gotta love that tax cut Bush fed in to the highest earners at the beginning of his term -- of course national debt nearly tripled to over 9Trillion...but hey...we just keep watering down the dollar by issuing more "shares"...no one will notice that prices are going up....*cough*.

    183. Re:Probably not colors by Hegh · · Score: 1

      I tried your suggestion of 242, 242, 0 but I prefer pastel-type colors, so I altered it to 242, 242, 128. It's a much softer yellow, hopefully it'll work out well. I just switched from black-on-white to white-on-black about an hour before this article came up on Slashdot, so I'm still tweaking colors.

      --
      Bravery is not a function of firepower.
      ~J.C. Denton (Deus Ex)
    184. Re:Probably not colors by mgcarley · · Score: 1

      Yeah Gnome has this built in (probably KDE too): For Ubuntu System > Preferences > Keyboard > Typing Break.

      --
      Founder & COO, Hayai India (hayai.in) / USA (hayaibroadband.com) // t: @mgcarley
    185. Re:Probably not colors by mgcarley · · Score: 1

      When I got new lenses a few years back, they asked if I wanted some anti-reflective coating on them after they found out I worked with computers (which admittedly took some getting used-to). To this day I can't be 100% sure if it helped or not, but, might be worth a shot.

      --
      Founder & COO, Hayai India (hayai.in) / USA (hayaibroadband.com) // t: @mgcarley
  2. Color Scheme Sampler by slifox · · Score: 5, Informative

    I've looked into this topic a few times in the past...

    Last time, I found a page that shows samples of hundreds of VIM color schemes:

    http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~maverick/VimColorSchemeTest/index-pl.html

    I don't use VIM (I use JOE), but the color schemes are easy to convert manually

    Whats nice is that you can scan through a _lot_ of schemes very quickly, and easily pick out the ones that work very well.

    1. Re:Color Scheme Sampler by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I read a study once that said that yellow text on a blue background was easiest on the eyes, and I've been using this for text-only frames in PowerPoints ever since. I used to get the occasional complaint that slides were unreadable, but I haven't since. I've noticed also that when looking at these slides for a while I don't get quite as much of the after-image effect as I do with white-on-black. Give it a try.

    2. Re:Color Scheme Sampler by ipoverscsi · · Score: 1

      Personally, I am a big fan of torte for VIM.

      When using a text editor for coding, I find dark backgrounds with medium brightness text to be the best. I've already got overhead fluorescent lights shining down on me all day, I don't need to be blinded by giant panels of glowing white, too.

    3. Re:Color Scheme Sampler by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      Agreed. When working for any real length of time, I always go Green on Black (since long before "The Matrix" came out).

      Old-school and much easier on the eyes.

    4. Re:Color Scheme Sampler by grogglefroth · · Score: 1

      >I don't use VIM (I use JOE)

      At least! I found the only other JOE user out there.

      hugs and ^k^x

      --
      Good, Fast, Cheap - Pick any two. - RFC 1925
    5. Re:Color Scheme Sampler by Hognoxious · · Score: 4, Informative

      you can scan through a _lot_ of schemes very quickly, and easily pick out the ones that look pretty

      Fixed that for you.

      For future reference, aesthetics (particularly in the short term) != usability.

      --
      Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
    6. Re:Color Scheme Sampler by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Agreed. When working for any real length of time, I always go Green on Black (since long before "The Matrix" came out).

      Old-school and much easier on the eyes.

      If it works for you, great. But keep in mind, that color combination arose out of economic concerns, not usability ones. Using a green phosphor layer was the cheapest way to build a functional CRT display in the first few generations of computing, and probably still would be if economies of scale hadn't made RGB tricolor just as affordable.

    7. Re:Color Scheme Sampler by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm super-anal, I use different schemes depending on which language I'm working with. For me, yellow on blue is Java (or sometimes PHP5). For C or shell scripts I find I prefer white on black without any syntax highlighting.

      Anyone else?

    8. Re:Color Scheme Sampler by loonicks · · Score: 1

      egads! another joe user! now i don't feel so lonely.

    9. Re:Color Scheme Sampler by Slur · · Score: 1

      The Atari computers used white text on a blue background, and the colors were really great on the eyes, especially considering that back in 1984 you couldn't even use a "CRT" but only a TV.

      CRTs in general have never been kind to me. Before LCDs came along, even with a monitor set at a high refresh rate, I found myself keeping my eyes down most of the time, only glancing up a little at a time to read the page. Of course we're talking about a fellow who liked to code for really long stretches, like 18 hours at a time.

      With LCDs I think the issue is almost negligible. As long as the LCD is bright enough and there's enough contrast, almost any color scheme will do.

      Plus, code editors now colorize everything, so your main text may be one color, but then you have to choose a raft of colors - often 8 or more - that are distinguishable from one another.

      Personally, I use a white background with black text, and - most importantly - a readable sans-serif font suitable for coding. In my case, it's 12pt "Andale Mono" (Monaco isn't so bad either.) I feel you should have a font that's very readable at small point sizes, so you can see as much of the code structure on the page as possible, and distinguish easily between O and 0, 1, l, and |, between , and . characters, etc.

      Funny, though, these articles always get me to mess around with a black background, I guess since coding on a black background makes you look cool, and people can tell you're doing something geeky on your laptop from 100 feet away. ... But then I always end up going back to a white page.

      Final thought: coding at night messes up your internal clock. In fact, staring into a light at night can mess you up in all kinds of ways. For this reason, I'm actually stopping myself from doing (much) coding after dark, and trying to make better use of the (warning! warning!) morning hours. I know, I know, it's a geek heresy. Maybe it's just a symptom of my mid-life crisis, but I actually miss mornings!

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    10. Re:Color Scheme Sampler by Otter · · Score: 1
      I read a study once that said that yellow text on a blue background was easiest on the eyes, and I've been using this for text-only frames in PowerPoints ever since.

      My wife used to use that because she was in a department at UCLA that required the use of the school colors in public presentations. Personally I found it garish, but at least she wasn't at USC or Oregon State.

    11. Re:Color Scheme Sampler by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      Oh, I know. I'm not fanatic about it or anything. I'll let Vim "grey out" comments or magenta typos. But yeah, it just is the nicest color scheme IMHO. Too much white (a la slashdot) just sucks on the eyes, and white is too bright for the FG on my cheap laptop monitor. Tends to look like it's "bleeding"

    12. Re:Color Scheme Sampler by houghi · · Score: 1

      There should be a +6 Insightfull. Unfortunately the site is down a bit right now.
      http://nanasi.jp/colorscheme_04.html has a few.

      A lot depends on the light around you. If there is a lot of light, you might want to use brighter colors. If you type in the dark, less contrast and darker colors might be good.
      Also the colors used on your desktop are important.

      I personaly use asmdev: http://nanasi.jp/articles/colorscheme/vim_colors/asmdev/image_view_fullscreen.html

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    13. Re:Color Scheme Sampler by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey, that makes two of us that use Joe!

      I use vim at work mostly because the ancient version of joe we have here does not have syntax highlighting at all. A good way of solving the color problem, to be sure.

    14. Re:Color Scheme Sampler by NJRoadfan · · Score: 1

      Heh, this is what I have the text display set to on my Apple IIgs (you can set the border, text, and background color from a palette of several colors, right now its set to dark blue with yellow text). I always thought it looked sharper (esp. with 80 column text) for some reason. The default colors were blue background with white text, but I never cared for it.

    15. Re:Color Scheme Sampler by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is because the sun and the sky are yellow and blue. Our eyes are optimized for colors we see in nature on earth. The sun colors most objects a yellowish tint. Also, blue is the color of water and the oceans as well. It is also why green on black works so well, which are the colors we see the most at night.

    16. Re:Color Scheme Sampler by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm also a follower of the green on black religion, yet I grew up on amber on black. So I can't claim an 'old school bias'.

    17. Re:Color Scheme Sampler by extrasolar · · Score: 1

      My theory has always been that it's a time of day issue. Lots of people don't like to much brightness/luminosity from their monitors, but I think that's because they do most of their coding late at night or in buildings without windows. But I think people who code during the day would probably benefit from dark on bright.

    18. Re:Color Scheme Sampler by maiki · · Score: 1

      Ack! My eyes! Damn you Perl!

    19. Re:Color Scheme Sampler by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I believe I once read that interstate highway signs are white letters on green because it's the most readable combination.

    20. Re:Color Scheme Sampler by haxor.dk · · Score: 1

      FYi the page may kill your browser or make your computer comatoze for a while if it is unworthy.

      As the author also points out:

      "Do your friends a favor. Link to the parent page instead. Thanks!"

      Which is this - http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~maverick/VimColorSchemeTest/index.html

    21. Re:Color Scheme Sampler by chengiz · · Score: 1

      My eyes are particularly sensitive to bright light and flicker and things like that -- I havent read this study, but I tend to concur as after oodles of tweaking, I have settled on white text on blue background. I have found that not using too many colors (eg. turning off syntax highlighting) helps, and choosing bigger and clearer fonts (dont know how to quantify "clearer"). Refresh rate should be high too. Contrast and brightness should be lower than default. Tend to pick greys instead of whites, eg. rgb=0.9 each instead of 1.

  3. Zenburn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Zenburn is a low-contrast colour scheme for low-light conditions. It is popular color scheme among programmers because it is very easy on the eyes.

    Legend says it was used by the ancients when they developed teh internets and our realm.

    * http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/000682.html
    * http://slinky.imukuppi.org/zenburn/
    * http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=415
    * http://slinky.imukuppi.org/2006/10/31/just-some-alien-fruit-salad-to-keep-you-i n-the-zone/
    * http://termos.vemod.net/zenburn-for-konsole

    1. Re:Zenburn by pipatron · · Score: 1

      I'm using zenburn myself, it's the absolute best. You want to use it with more than 16 colors though. There is now a high contrast mode as well, if you have a brighter workplace, or want to work on a laptop in sunlight.

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    2. Re:Zenburn by edalytical · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This topic was discussed recently here on /. I find it pretty interesting. After spending a significant amount of time reading the comments and clicking links I decided Zenburn really was the best.

      I set up Xcode with the theme and I find it reduces eye strain. Now if I could only figure out how to get it to work with Aquamacs.

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    3. Re:Zenburn by zehaeva · · Score: 1

      here here for zenburn! it has to be my favorite color scheme

    4. Re:Zenburn by JamesP · · Score: 1

      My favorite for VIM is :colorscheme elflord (especially for LCDs)

      And in the console, 14pt font. fullscreen. light gray on black. It is amazing.

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    5. Re:Zenburn by bioglaze · · Score: 1

      I found Zenburn several months ago and I absolutely love it. It works fine in GNU Emacs, but I had to install emacs-goodies-el package to get it working.

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    6. Re:Zenburn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      An AC above said the same thing! Now you'll be mod'ed "Redundant".

      That's what you get for ignoring us! Bwahahahaha!

    7. Re:Zenburn by DarkDust · · Score: 1

      An AC above said the same thing! Now you'll be mod'ed "Redundant".

      That's what you get for ignoring us! Bwahahahaha!

      But I also provided hints that can be ignored as well :-)

      And would have posted before him if I didn't have to fight with Slashdot's $#@! formatting (why isn't <pre> working ?)

    8. Re:Zenburn by mikael_j · · Score: 1

      Zenburn is indeed a wonderful color scheme and my preferred color scheme in Vim and gVim.

      I really haven't found any major problems with it, unlike many other color schemes for coding. The other options for me are "evening" (the Vim color scheme) and the classic blue background look that I can't' even remember where I first saw but there's one like it in Vim as well.

      /Mikael

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    9. Re:Zenburn by edmicman · · Score: 2

      Is this available in Visual Studio 6?

    10. Re:Zenburn by woot+account · · Score: 1

      If anybody can figure out how to get zenburn working with Aquamacs, I would forever love them. The color scheme I have right now is really too high-contrast.

    11. Re:Zenburn by FlatWhatson · · Score: 1

      Legend says it was used by the ancients to lure hordes of slashdotters to destroy teh internets and our realm.

      Sorry imukuppi.org!

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    12. Re:Zenburn by edmicman · · Score: 1

      On a related note, is there *anything* out there on setting up custom colors on VS6?

      I'm stuck working in VB6 lately for some projects and it's bad enough...ugh!

    13. Re:Zenburn by dfj225 · · Score: 1

      Currently, I'm using the evening scheme which seems similar to zenburn, but higher contrast.

      I think the most important aspect of both of these schemes is the grey background. This seems to really reduce eye strain.

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    14. Re:Zenburn by mzs · · Score: 1

      I second zenburn. It is also a good compromise. In my window managers, terminal emulators, and editors I used to use a color scheme heavy on dark backgrounds, subdued greens and ambers for the text, and grays for the UI elements. Then when using Windows and Mac OS X I learned that there was really no good way to use that scheme as so much assumed a white background. I discovered zenburn and it actually is very useable even within the constraints of Windows and OS X.

      Then I noticed it was actually even easier on my eyes than what I used to use. I think this is because I focus on past the edge of the glass on my CRTs and into the monitor as it were more easily. It is hard to explain and I don't know why it happens but I definitely noticed it where when under the old scheme after a while I would momentarily loose sharp focus of the text.

      The only drawback to any of these custom color scheme is everybody on the web has their own ideas about color scheme with their websites and when you have some reference sources next to code it can be really jarring, especially if the site you are reading is very bright or high contrast.

      PS You need to get rid of glare for zenburn to work well, get that room darker so that you can turn down the brghtness as well, and as with everything keep your screen clean.

    15. Re:Zenburn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      hmmm.. anonymous plagiary. Give a link next time buddy.

      http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/10468/

    16. Re:Zenburn by zerocool^ · · Score: 1

      I have a relatively cheap monitor at work; I'm looking for something that keeps the black background (I know, I know, but I'm so used to it), but that makes the comments in bash scripts (most of what I do) easier to read. That really deep blue bleeds onto the black, and hurts my eyes - I seriously have to concentrate to focus on the comments, and it's sometimes difficult to determine at first whether or not my #!/bin/bash or #!/usr/bin/env python don't have a typo.

      Any recommendations?

      ~W

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    17. Re:Zenburn by CronoCloud · · Score: 1

      ICK! zenburn uses that awful hard to see dark blue.

    18. Re:Zenburn by knutert · · Score: 1

      I use the desert scheme that comes with ViM, which is rather similar to Zenburn.

    19. Re:Zenburn by immcintosh · · Score: 1

      Finally a real reason to upgrade! (actually, if you use C++ you should really upgrade to VS2003 or later for a much more conformant compiler, but that's another story:P)

    20. Re:Zenburn by Seekerofknowledge · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, no. I suffer this same problem every day too. VS6 only supports the 16 basic colors for color customization (red,light magenta,dark magenta,etc.), and doesn't do anything even remotely close to the pastels and undertones needed by zenburn.

    21. Re:Zenburn by Dewin · · Score: 1

      Some quick Googling found this site, which has a Zenburn scheme for VS2005.

      I have no idea whether it works for earlier/later versions of VS though.

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    22. Re:Zenburn by Mike610544 · · Score: 1
      From the Zenburn 1.1 release notes:

      ... Perl code now looks more consistent.

      Holy crap, It's magic!

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    23. Re:Zenburn by parla · · Score: 1

      My cheapo LCD (which only has analogue input) is not happy with Zenburn. That mid-grey range is all nervous and jittery on it.

    24. Re:Zenburn by dr00g911 · · Score: 1

      For those on the Mac side, there's a theme for TextMate called Twilight, which I now use extensively.

      For the rest of the question, here's my recipe:

      - Cool gray wall behind my monitors... let's call it a 20-30%.
      - No light sources within angle of reflection.
      - Decent name brand LCD monitors (Apple and pro grade Viewsonics/Samsungs they're about $100 more for comparable size)
      - Proper color calibration. I'm a fan of the Mac's 1.8 gamma... again, lower contrast. I tend toward a slightly yellow (8200ish k) white balance.
      - The minimal amount of true black or true white on the screen at any given time. Take a look at professional color & video editing apps -- they've all got a gray on gray palette that's meant to reduce color perception influence from the GUI -- but the medium contrast of the 70ish% on 30%ish gray really helps prevent eyestrain while remaining legible enough that you're not straining to read.
      - No fluorescents anywhere within my field of vision or as ambient light. I can see the flicker from a mile away and it drives me utterly insane.

    25. Re:Zenburn by LordMyren · · Score: 1

      I used to be a dark background/light text sort, raised on zenburn, but I've started using more and more light backgrounds / darker text varieties. The screenshots for a light blue background usually dont look that good, but in practice its pretty calm.

      Also, I've gained a great appreciation for the "sets" of themes. DimGreen DimBlue Dim&c&c&c are a great series for example. The advantage is that I can open eight windows and easily identify which window is which piece of code, simply by looking at the background color.

      Congradulations on being the first post to address the topic.

      The definitive vim color scheme resource:
      * http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~maverick/VimColorSchemeTest/ online vim color scheme browser for a variety of langauges (handily divided light and dark)

    26. Re:Zenburn by Yosho · · Score: 1

      The comments in Zenburn shouldn't be that deep blue, they should be greenish. Your vim may not be operating in 256-color mode; try doing what this post recommends and see if it comes out better for you.

      I just discovered Zenburn today and had the same problem as you, and I've fallen in love with it after I actually got it looking right. I've since gone through and also modified my Konsole, Eclipse, and Kdevelop color schemes to all be the same. Also try the high contrast mode, which makes the background a much darker shade of gray.

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    27. Re:Zenburn by Bangz · · Score: 1

      Visual Assist does a good job of making Visual Studio code a lot easier to read by applying custom colours to various syntax. It also does a load of other stuff, as a C++ developer it reduces the amount of typing I have to do by half by having a really good intellisense system. Now all they need to do is write a program to automate the other half :)

    28. Re:Zenburn by drew · · Score: 1

      You really should only force t_Co=256 if you are actually using a 256 color terminal. Doing it in .vimrc is not really a good idea, because ViM doesn't really know what kind of terminal you are using (or more appropriately, you're telling ViM to ignore what it thinks you are using.) If you are doing most of your work over a remote connection (and if you aren't, why not use gvim?), you really never know what kind of terminal you are going to end up logging in some day, and if for some reason you find yourself on an 8 color terminal (say gnome-terminal from debian-stable) or heaven forbid, a monochrome terminal, it may take you a while to figure out what went wrong and how to correct it. Of course, the "right" way to do it is rather difficult, and may not be worth the effort depending on your setup, but it involves making sure that you have up to date terminfo (or termcap?) entries and the correct value set for $TERM, and... I'll stop there before I put anyone to sleep.

      There's plenty of info out there if you Google around a bit, but the short version is that your terminfo should be all right if you have a remotely recent Linux / BSD, so you mostly have to worry about setting your TERM variable to something that is known to have 256 color capability, typically xterm-256color. Of course, you can't just set that in your .bashrc for the same reason that you shouldn't set it in your .vimrc... You see why I said this was complicated.

      What you need to do... You know what? Fuck it. Just leave t_Co=256 in your .vimrc, and you'll probably be fine.

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    29. Re:Zenburn by DarkDust · · Score: 1

      Heh, funny thing is: just a few days ago I ranted about how I think the UNIX handling of terminals is severely broken because an application (library) looks up in a file what it THINKS your terminal is capable of, instead of the terminal telling your application (or better yet: system) what it can do, except for its size. Because of this, I get no colors in OpenSolaris unless I set TERM=xterm-color. And it doesn't know about xterm-256color, which would be the correct value. This also causes my "delete" key to not work on OpenSolaris, even when logged in directly to X Window instead of SSH (I experienced the same in the past on Linux as well, but at least it has readline and I was able to fix it in /etc/inputrc). Similar problems when using iTerm or Terminal.app on Mac OS X when logging in to a Linux machine via SSH... I like UNIX, but the terminal handling is driving me crazy.

    30. Re:Zenburn by drew · · Score: 1

      Yeah, the whole thing is kind of a mess, but I think it was made a lot worse by terminal and application developers that didn't understand how the system works. If people who wrote their own terminal emulators (say gnome-terminal) had bothered to maintain and distribute their own termcaps along with their software rather than saying, "well, it's kinda like xterm", that probably would have avoided a lot of the confusion. (There are other issues, too, and I don't remember all of them, but I remember one of the ViM developers had a huge rant about it once when somebody was asking about 256 color support.) As with many things in *nix, it was a passable solution on a small scale that just never scaled up, and nobody ever bothered to figure out a better way.

      Regarding the backspace thing, apparently sometime in the last 10 years or so, everyone got tired of arguing over whether ^H or ^? were supposed to be delete or backspace and made both of them backspace. Some other character([~033 ?) is typically used for delete now. I'm not quite sure how to fix that on systems that don't recognize the new delete code, but that may give you some more information to help you track it down.

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    31. Re:Zenburn by matmota · · Score: 1

      Some time ago I used Aquamacs for a while, although nowadays I use standard Emacs again, but I know that I had no trouble having my own color scheme, which happened to be similar to Zenburn, working fine in it, so your post made me curious about what could be the issue.

      The first problem is that Zenburn requires Color-theme, which is not included by default. Since you don't give details about what doesn't work, I'm not sure whether you are already past this point.

      Anyway, this is what I did to try it out:

      cd /tmp
      wget http://www.brockman.se/software/zenburn/zenburn.el
      wget http://download.gna.org/color-theme/color-theme.el.gz
      gunzip color-theme.el.gz

      Now you need to load them in your ".emacs" or equivalent: Aquamacs' recommended file is "~/Library/Preferences/Aquamacs Emacs/Preferences.el":

      (setq load-path (cons "/tmp" load-path))
      (require 'color-theme)
      (require 'zenburn)
      ;;(color-theme-initialize)
      (setq color-theme-is-global t)
      (color-theme-zenburn)

      There seems to be some bug somewhere, because the recommended "(color-theme-initialize)" does not work, as noted in the Emacs Wiki page about Color-theme. However, if instead of setting the load path and using require I load the files directly, the initialization is not needed:

      (load "/tmp/color-theme.el")
      (load "/tmp/zenburn.el")
      (color-theme-zenburn)

      Actually, it seems that you do not need any specific steps for making it work with Aquamacs, but rather that the documentation in "zenburn.el" and "color-theme.el" is atrociously incomplete. Additionally, the web page for Color-theme does not work, which is why I linked to the Emacs Wiki page instead.

      I still get some weird error about "aquamacs-customization-version-id", but I have other things to do. You can work on your own from here.

    32. Re:Zenburn by matmota · · Score: 1

      I've just tried to make Zenburn with Aquamacs, and I've documented the steps with which I got it working in a reply to a reply, in comment #24064921.

      Do you get notified when someone replies in the same thread but not directly to your post?

    33. Re:Zenburn by edalytical · · Score: 1

      Hey thanks I'll take a look at your steps.

      I only get emails for direct replies to me...

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    34. Re:Zenburn by edalytical · · Score: 1

      I tried your suggestion, but I get the same result as before. The file name in the mode line is zenburnish, but everything else is Aquamacs default color. I can use M-x zenbrun to load it manually but it doesn't work automatically.

      It works perfectly fine with Emacs.app even with the color-theme-initialize.

      Here is what I have in my .emacs file for Emacs.app

      (require 'color-theme)
      (color-theme-initialize)
      (load-file "~/.emacs.d/site-lisp/zenburn.el")
      (if window-system
      (color-theme-zenburn)
      (color-theme-hober))

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    35. Re:Zenburn by Brian+Kendig · · Score: 1

      Where can I find the high contrast version? Apparently it's available as a toggle for vim, but I want to see the color definitions or a screenshot of it so I can match the colors in the various IDEs I use.

    36. Re:Zenburn by errantEyes · · Score: 1

      Recently I was coding in perl and found that the zenburn colorscheme took away some of the syntax highlighting that I usually have (though some remains). Does anyone have an idea on how to fix this? I'd like to use zenburn but I find syntax highlighting more useful than a nice colorscheme. My guess is that the theme leaves some required colors unset and I might be able to add a few lines to fix this?

  4. Here is an answer... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    It is I, 1100101, and this was asked three months ago with a good discussion. I guess slashdot operates in quarterly cycles. :)

    Here is the previous discussion: http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/04/08/2213222

    As to not karma-whore, here was my response as a doc...
    http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=515908&cid=23008272

  5. Green on Black by russlar · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I use green text on a black background, and it seems to help. A lot of it has to do with the quality and type of your monitor.

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    1. Re:Green on Black by Shivetya · · Score: 1

      I am in this camp as well, but I think my preference comes from years of working with 5250 sessions on an iSeries and 3270 on a mainframe. There is something to be said for what others came up with before. Sometimes the simplest solution is to look to the past.

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    2. Re:Green on Black by okvol · · Score: 2, Funny

      Using green on black also helps to warp your brain to where you will think like old-style programmers. I've used several: Blue on light blue (C64 style), gold on black, purple on a pale blue, and more. You want some contrast, but not too much. And, chose colors that fit your personality. I remember someone who loved the "hot dog stand" colors in Windows 3.1!

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    3. Re:Green on Black by Angstroem · · Score: 1

      Green on black is great; however, my xterms all run grey on black since I don't want to be confused with all these executables on my color xterm :)

      Whatever you do, just don't fall for anything-on-white. No idea who came up with the idea that actively highlighting the non-information would be best -- for a reflexive media like paper (which happens so be somewhat white-ish by nature anyway) I can see the benefits, but for actively illuminated media it's just plain stupid.

      As any eye doctor and optrician will tell you.

      For some strange reason, however, this knowledge seems to be actively rejected by company's ergonomy advisors who still like to enforce upright sitting at 90 angles in front of an all-white screen.

    4. Re:Green on Black by Nursie · · Score: 1

      I always liked a black background and a foreground in mistyrose.

      xterm -fn fixed -fg mistyrose -bg black

    5. Re:Green on Black by xaxa · · Score: 1

      dircolors --print-database > ~/.dircolors
      Edit the file and run dircolors ~/.dircolors

      I changed the blues in my terminal to violets, they're much more readable, but left everything else the same.

    6. Re:Green on Black by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      +1 for Green on Black, I have converted a couple engineers in my office to this scheme because it is easier to see in a wider range of light conditions (we frequently travel to cave-like industrial facilities, and also are expected to work outside sometimes).

  6. Search slashdot! by mowall · · Score: 1

    This was discussed just a couple of months ago... http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/04/08/2213222

  7. Black on Black by jhouserizer · · Score: 5, Funny

    A black foreground on a black background has always given me the least eye pain.

    1. Re:Black on Black by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A black foreground on a black background has always given me the least eye pain.

      You beat me to it you bastard :( a chance I searched through the comments before posting.

    2. Re:Black on Black by somersault · · Score: 1

      Commonly known as the 'not enough coffee' theme

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    3. Re:Black on Black by Achoi77 · · Score: 1

      Really? I find that color scheme has always given me the most eye pain. I'm always straining my eyes trying to read my code!

    4. Re:Black on Black by Nathan+Boley · · Score: 1

      A black foreground on a black background has always given me the least eye pain.

      Are you kidding? I ran that for almost a year and always felt like I was straining my eyes to see the text.

    5. Re:Black on Black by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Green or yellow on a black background has always been considered the best.
      I use green on a black background.
      Maybe it is because I started out on IBM 3270 terminals?

    6. Re:Black on Black by dkleinsc · · Score: 1

      You must have designed HotBlack Desiato's stunt ship, or at least the album cover to "Smell the Glove".

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    7. Re:Black on Black by DoctorFrog · · Score: 1

      Are you one of those Das Keyboard goths? Whenever you press the black key labeled in black a black letter lights up black on the black background?

    8. Re:Black on Black by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A black foreground on a black background has always given me the least eye pain.

      and the least information
        and it lowers the cognitive dissonance...

  8. Pink on Green by QuantumPion · · Score: 4, Funny

    Pink text on green background.

    This combination is so vibrant that it burns the code into your brain, allowing you to better visualize your program.

    That, or give you a seizure.

    1. Re:Pink on Green by syousef · · Score: 4, Funny

      Pink text on green background.

      Let me guess, you taught HTML for dummies courses using Hotdog and Netscape Navigator Gold in the mid to late 90s.

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    2. Re:Pink on Green by SQLGuru · · Score: 4, Funny

      Don't forget that he was a huge fan of flashing text to grab attention. And since you wanted people to see your whole page, it was all flashing.

      Layne

    3. Re:Pink on Green by Dachannien · · Score: 2, Funny

      Pink text on green background.

      Hey, stop ripping off my MySpace page!

    4. Re:Pink on Green by dkf · · Score: 1

      Pink text on green background.

      Brown text on hot-pink background is good too. Provided you hate your eyes.

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    5. Re:Pink on Green by Viceroy+Potatohead · · Score: 1

      And he didn't even give us a link to his Geocities page!!! The nerve.

    6. Re:Pink on Green by Ranger · · Score: 1

      Pink on Lime would work even better. Yellow on Lime is also a good choice.

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  9. tty by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I use -bg lightyellow1 with default foreground. That makes the X-term window look pretty close to the paper roll on an ASR-33. The default foreground is close to a ribbon that's a week or so old, the optimal.

  10. been discussed before by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    see http://science.slashdot.org/science/08/04/08/2213222.shtml

  11. Helpful Site by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.colr.org/

    I've found helpful ideas here while playing around.

  12. Black background, white or cyan text by syousef · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This comes up all the time.

    Personally I find the above best. I can cope with green or yellow text, but find white best, followed by cyan. This whole idea of the modern WYSIWYG desktop trying to emulate paper and thus having a white background is just stupid. Paper is a reflective medium. Screens emit and therefore looking at a white screen is going to give you the office worker's equivalent of snow blindness. Print preview should have a white background, and it should be an easy thing to switch it on for typing up a text document (for true WYSIWYG) but we really shouldn't be using it all day.

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    1. Re:Black background, white or cyan text by Polkyb · · Score: 1

      There was a study into dyslexia a few years ago which noted that sufferers read more accurately with a pure blue background and bright yellow text. The study also confirmed black on white or white on black as the worst configuration.

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    2. Re:Black background, white or cyan text by syousef · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Actually I have friends and family with dyslexia. Each person responds differently. They are actually procedures now to work out which colours work best for each person. The result is a perscription for glasses with coloured tinting. I know one person who learnt to read in her teens using these, and has now been a primary school teacher for some years (and a very good one at that). For whatever reason she struggles less with dyslexia now and no longer requires the glasses.

      Take a look here. Some nifty javascript if you hover your mouse over the background colours at the top of the page.
      http://www.dyslexia-test.com/color.html

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    3. Re:Black background, white or cyan text by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Having a black background with white text is the stupid option, it causes lots of eye problems.

      You are probably using Firefox or IE and that and the web defaults to Black on White background as that is easiest to read.

    4. Re:Black background, white or cyan text by siddesu · · Score: 1

      you're DEAD wrong. the best is, of course cyan on magenta.

      well, that or the reverse.

    5. Re:Black background, white or cyan text by Viol8 · · Score: 1

      "Having a black background with white text is the stupid option, it causes lots of eye problems."

      Nonsense. I've used white text on black backgrounds in xterms for 15 years without any problems.

    6. Re:Black background, white or cyan text by Rary · · Score: 1

      Actually I have friends and family with dyslexia. ... The result is a perscription for glasses with coloured tinting.

      Yes. It's your "friends and family" that have dyslexia.

      :)

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    7. Re:Black background, white or cyan text by ChrisH619 · · Score: 1

      White Background with Black Text is exactly like you're saying, "the WYSIWYG desktop trying to emulate paper"
      Anyone else remember the green screens & C64 light blue on blue?
      Unfortunately this was brought for people to look at webpages and documents in exactly the same way as printed books.
      Why? - Essentially users as a demographic group dont like change in the IT world.

      I've dealt with plenty of people simply asking "Where are my Favourites?" when they upgraded to IE7!

      I can completely agree with the whole print preview thing as well, this should be done in web pages too!! Media specific CSS is already usable, why not use it? And make something slightly easier on the eyes?

      /rant off
      /flamebate off

    8. Re:Black background, white or cyan text by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Paper is a reflective medium. Screens emit and therefore looking at a white screen is going to give you the office worker's equivalent of snow blindness.

      That Problem should not exist if you properly adjust your screen's contrast to match the brightness of your environment. Just hold a sheet of white paper beside your monitor and check that they appear to have approximately the same brightness. There's no real difference to the eye between emitted and reflected photons.

    9. Re:Black background, white or cyan text by Ihlosi · · Score: 1
      Paper is a reflective medium. Screens emit and therefore looking at a white screen is going to give you the office worker's equivalent of snow blindness.

      So your eye can magically tell the difference between "reflected" and "emitted" photons ?

      Amazing.

    10. Re:Black background, white or cyan text by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually you can do this in the new version of MS Office 2007. I have it set to a black background with white text while I am typing documents, but when you hit print preview it is black text on a white sheet of paper and that is the way it prints.

    11. Re:Black background, white or cyan text by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      black text on a gray background everywhere

    12. Re:Black background, white or cyan text by balthan · · Score: 1

      Well, they each have their own, so it's one scription per person.

    13. Re:Black background, white or cyan text by scaverdilly · · Score: 1

      Whoa ... It's pretty gutsy to call slashdot (and almost all webistes) "just stupid". You aren't able to control the "settings" of the colors a website uses. While I agree that black on white isn't optimal, it is easier to focus on for the vast majority of users. Back when I was a young 'un I had a hard time getting used to the "backwards" nature of having a dark background with lighter text. It comes more naturally the more you have practiced. For most of us on /. the practice has come and gone years ago, but for newer users, it just feels too funky.

    14. Re:Black background, white or cyan text by wukka · · Score: 1

      This whole idea of the modern WYSIWYG desktop trying to emulate paper and thus having a white background is just stupid. Paper is a reflective medium.

      hello sousef, I've always complained about the damn white pseudo-paper screen too! my desktop color schemes are soothing, as I make them to look more like an old monochrome amber or green text monitor, especially for programming :)

    15. Re:Black background, white or cyan text by syousef · · Score: 1

      Whoa ... It's pretty gutsy to call slashdot (and almost all webistes) "just stupid".

      Whoa, I wasn't trying to call slashdot and almost all websites "just stupid" in the sense that you seem to think. I'm saying we've gotten use to conventions that are problematic.

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    16. Re:Black background, white or cyan text by syousef · · Score: 1

      Cheap shot! Funny! But cheap shot :-)

      Actually I do occasionally mix letters like that but I've never had trouble reading and have never been diagnosed with dyslexia. I have from time to time wondered if I have a mild form of dyslexia but I suspect I'm just lazy and not an intuitive speller.

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    17. Re:Black background, white or cyan text by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whoa ... It's pretty gutsy to call slashdot (and almost all webistes) "just stupid". You aren't able to control the "settings" of the colors a website uses.

      Tools > Options > Content > Colors
      Uncheck "Allow pages to choose their own colors"

      Or use Greasemonkey and customise any site to look exactly the way that *you* want it to.

    18. Re:Black background, white or cyan text by Kethinov · · Score: 1

      Whoa, I wasn't trying to call slashdot and almost all websites "just stupid" in the sense that you seem to think. I'm saying we've gotten use to conventions that are problematic.

      Or maybe Slashdot and almost every other site on the internet chooses black on white because it's more readable for the vast majority of users? Last I checked, the only advantage white on black has is when your computer screen is your only source of light in a room. Barring the "get out of your mom's basement" joke, I don't think most of us are using computers in complete darkness most of the time.

      It's all about matching brightness with your surroundings. For most people white on black is NOT it.

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    19. Re:Black background, white or cyan text by syousef · · Score: 1

      Or maybe Slashdot and almost every other site on the internet chooses black on white because it's more readable for the vast majority of users?

      I'd say it has more to do with trying to make it look like printed text, which is silly. It costs a lot of money to print black on white. It costs less and is easier to print white on black, which is why books and printed presses went for that in the first place. Then when we got computers, people wanted them to look more familiar. Has nothing to do with a statistical analysis of who finds what more readable. But don't let facts get in your way. This is after all /.

      Last I checked, the only advantage white on black has is when your computer screen is your only source of light in a room.

      Then check again, because you have it wrong.

      Barring the "get out of your mom's basement" joke, I don't think most of us are using computers in complete darkness most of the time.

      I don't have a basement. I have a study. I don't live with my mother. I live with my wife (and will soon be living with a son). Most of my time in front of the computer is spent in a well lit office. My personal timeis largely on a laptop in the train (and the reflective screen makes that a difficult lighting situation). I love how you allude to a joke and try to belittle a bloke by making assumptions that just make you look foolish. Oh wait, I forgot you said "barring" that joke...which is why you felt the need to mention it.

      It's all about matching brightness with your surroundings. For most people white on black is NOT it.

      Oh? Is it? Is that why the majority of monitors automatically compensates for changes in ambient light? Oh wait, they don't.

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    20. Re:Black background, white or cyan text by Kethinov · · Score: 1

      I'd say it has more to do with trying to make it look like printed text, which is silly. ... when we got computers, people wanted them to look more familiar.

      Aside from it being far from the primary reason, it's a perfectly valid one. Anyone who has had to switch from reading printed text to a white on black screen over and over again would appreciate the consistency.

      It costs less and is easier to print white on black, which is why books and printed presses went for that in the first place.

      This implies that if it costs were equal to print white on black, that would be the overwhelming majority preference. Substantiation?

      Then check again, because you have it wrong.

      Don't be lazy. You can do better than that. Cite at least one valid advantage of white on black and substantiate it.

      I don't have a basement. I have a study. I don't live with my mother. I live with my wife (and will soon be living with a son). Most of my time in front of the computer is spent in a well lit office. My personal timeis largely on a laptop in the train (and the reflective screen makes that a difficult lighting situation). I love how you allude to a joke and try to belittle a bloke by making assumptions that just make you look foolish. Oh wait, I forgot you said "barring" that joke...which is why you felt the need to mention it.

      Looking foolish is taking something personally that wasn't meant to be.

      Oh? Is it? Is that why the majority of monitors automatically compensates for changes in ambient light? Oh wait, they don't.

      That response has absolutely nothing to do with the point I was making about how most content on the internet is predominantly black on white for reasons of better matching the surrounding light level of most users as the vast majority of us do not work in complete darkness.

      Has nothing to do with a statistical analysis of who finds what more readable. But don't let facts get in your way. This is after all /.

      Your condescension would be far more effective if you actually substantiated any of these "facts" you cite, instead of acting as if they should be obvious to the entire universe.

      Go ahead, prove me wrong. I'm waiting.

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    21. Re:Black background, white or cyan text by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It costs a lot of money to print black on white. It costs less and is easier to print white on black, which is why books and printed presses went for that in the first place.

      You mixed up your terms. White on black = white text on a black background. Black on white = black text on a white background.

    22. Re:Black background, white or cyan text by syousef · · Score: 1

      Anyone who has had to switch from reading printed text to a white on black screen over and over again would appreciate the consistency.

      "Anyone" huh? So what now I'm a nobody? There are plenty of people out there that go to great lengths to switch back to a black background. Take a look at the VIM colour schemes people create.

      This implies that if it costs were equal to print white on black, that would be the overwhelming majority preference. Substantiation?

      Historically to print something white on black you'd need to use all your ink turning the rest of the paper black. Even if you could start with black paper so you didn't have to print the negative image, you'd still need to find a dye or ink that'd work well and be available in quantity. Neither black white ink nor black paper were easy to come by a hundred or so years ago, let alone when books were first written or when the printing press became common. I'm not sure what you're looking for in substantiation.

      Don't be lazy. You can do better than that. Cite at least one valid advantage of white on black and substantiate it

      Fuck off. Cite your own sources before accusing others of being lazy for not doing so. Hypocrite. This is slashdot, not a thesis defence.

      Looking foolish is taking something personally that wasn't meant to be.

      Oh gimme a break and stop being so dishonest. You can't get more personal that suggesting tht someone is happy with an inferior solution because they're a basement dweller with no social skills.

      Your condescension would be far more effective if you actually substantiated any of these "facts" you cite, instead of acting as if they should be obvious to the entire universe.

      Go ahead, prove me wrong. I'm waiting.

      I'll start citing references to counter your trolling, when you find me references to substantiate what you're saying. Why should I spend the time and effort digging up references for you? Go Google it if you think it's worth your time

      I'll tell you what. Here's just one. Count the number of dark colour schemes.
      http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~maverick/VimColorSchemeTest/index-pl.html

      Here's another discussion where others prefer light on dark colours. It's on Digg so it should be right at your level. That at least makes you a liar for suggesting I'm alone.
      http://digg.com/design/Light_text_on_dark_background_vs_readability

      If it gives you such pleasure being a childish troll, I pity you.

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    23. Re:Black background, white or cyan text by Kethinov · · Score: 1

      "Anyone" huh? So what now I'm a nobody? There are plenty of people out there that go to great lengths to switch back to a black background. Take a look at the VIM colour schemes people create.

      You missed my point. I was referring to people who must context switch constantly in a single work session between a paper medium and a white on black computer screen. These people would easily suffer from eye strain. The consistency of the same color scheme on both paper and the computer screen is appreciated in such scenarios and these scenarios are very common.

      I'm not sure what you're looking for in substantiation.

      Evidently not, because your reply had absolutely nothing to do with what I asked for. I stated that your original argument implies that if printing black paper with white text were equally as cost effective as printing white paper with black text, then the black paper with white text would be the overwhelming majority preference by most people. You must substantiate that implication.

      Cite your own sources ... Why should I spend the time and effort digging up references for you?

      Since you're the one asserting that the vast majority of all the content on the internet has picked the incorrect color scheme (a not generally accepted position), the burden of proof lies on you, the asserter.

      However, I'll bite.
      - Here is a survey indicating black on white as the clear preference: http://hubel.sfasu.edu/research/survreslts.html (it is interesting to note that white on black does well too because the higher the contrast, the better. The ZernBurn folks could learn a thing or two from this.)
      - Here are two substantiations demonstrating a preference for black on white in order to match surrounding light level as I've previously argued: http://www.office-ergo.com/setting.htm and http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200608/light_text_on_dark_background_vs_readability/ (I'm citing the article, not the Digg discussion)

      Oh gimme a break and stop being so dishonest. You can't get more personal that suggesting tht someone is happy with an inferior solution because they're a basement dweller with no social skills.

      It's called a joke, as was spelled out in my original post. It's also a very common one on Slashdot. Since your account is older than mine and has many more posts than mine, I'd assumed you'd be familiar with it. I'd invoke the similar "you must be new here" joke at this time as well, but you might get irrationally offended by that too. ;)

      That at least makes you a liar for suggesting I'm alone.

      I never suggested you were alone. I suggested you are in the vast minority. Which you are.

      I'll tell you what. Here's just one. Count the number of dark colour schemes.
      http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~maverick/VimColorSchemeTest/index-pl.html

      Which proves what exactly?

      Fuck off ... Hypocrite ... It's on Digg so it should be right at your level ... If it gives you such pleasure being a childish troll, I pity you.

      All those ad hominems and you're calling me a troll? Don't you find that the least bit ironic?

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    24. Re:Black background, white or cyan text by syousef · · Score: 1

      You missed my point. I was referring to people who must context switch constantly in a single work session between a paper medium and a white on black computer screen.

      I didn't miss your point. You didn't make it very well (if at all). Then I'm suppose to read your mind to work out what you're trying to say, and when I fail to, you accuse me of taking it out of context.

      Since you're the one asserting that the vast majority of all the content on the internet has picked the incorrect color scheme (a not generally accepted position), the burden of proof lies on you, the asserter.

      That's your interpretation of my assertion. This isn't a murder trial and there is no burden of proof. This is a discussion on an internet board. You're the one who wants cited references from me. That takes time and effort. Yet you were unwilling to provide the same yourself. Now that you have

      http://hubel.sfasu.edu/research/survreslts.html

      Did you even notice how close the results were for white on black vs black on white????? Are you trying to make my point for me? Go back and read what you wrote. Sweeping statements about almost no one (but basement dwellers) liking white on black.

      http://www.office-ergo.com/setting.htm

      Ahhh good old ergnomics theory that most office workers are forced to read so employers can avoid law suites when office work actually causes injury. All these things ever do is mix common sense with complete nonsense then force to in theory adopt the approach. In practice no one I know actually does everything that is required of their ergonomics training, and for good reason: If they were to take the general principles and apply it to their own situations, they'd find that they need to add a good dose of common sense.

      You'll find there are people who'll have the opposite opinion

      http://xpt.sourceforge.net/techdocs/misc/ce01-DarkBackgroundIsGoodForYou/ar01s03.html
      "Light text on dark backgrounds is easier on the eyes than the traditional black text on white backgrounds. That is why the classic Windows Accessibility color scheme recolors Windows to have large light text on black backgrounds."

      http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200608/light_text_on_dark_background_vs_readability/ ( ...and we were doing so well. The other two were at least studies. This link is a rant by one individual about their own preference. It's actually worse as a reference than the Digg discussion.

      In any case all I needed to prove was that there were other people who held similar views that light text on a dark background is easier for them to read. You asserted this was not the case. I've proven otherwise. (Hell you've helped me prove otherwise).

      It's called a joke, as was spelled out in my original post. It's also a very common one on Slashdot. Since your account is older than mine and has many more posts than mine, I'd assumed you'd be familiar with it. I'd invoke the similar "you must be new here" joke at this time as well, but you might get irrationally offended by that too. ;)

      In the context of your original joke, it was used to marginalize and belittle my opinion. That's why I was offended. Now you're belittling me for getting offended. You continually bring up these jokes while saying that you could reference them but you won't, as if that somehow means you in actuality haven't made the reference. This is no more than a bad attempt at what becomes a weak and childish attack. I suggest you either make the joke or don't make it.

      I never suggested you were alone. I suggested you are in the vast minority. Which you are.

      Your very own link proves that I'm not in the minority at all. You can state something as if it is a fact until you go blue, but when your own evidence points the other way all you succeed in doing is looking like a ranting loon.

      Which proves what

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    25. Re:Black background, white or cyan text by Kethinov · · Score: 1

      I didn't miss your point. You didn't make it very well

      Another ad hominem.

      Then I'm suppose to read your mind to work out what you're trying to say, and when I fail to, you accuse me of taking it out of context.

      Another ad hominem. And I accused you of nothing. I merely stated the fact that you didn't respond to the point I was making which implies that you didn't understand. So I reiterated it in a way that might get it across better.

      That's your interpretation of my assertion.

      Feel free to reiterate it more clearly.

      Did you even notice how close the results were for white on black vs black on white?

      Yes. And as I said, this is the case because those are the two highest contrast combinations. Did you notice how many other things they tested?

      Ahhh good old ergnomics theory that most office workers are forced to read so employers can avoid law suites when office work actually causes injury. All these things ever do is mix common sense with complete nonsense then force to in theory adopt the approach. In practice no one I know actually does everything that is required of their ergonomics training, and for good reason: If they were to take the general principles and apply it to their own situations, they'd find that they need to add a good dose of common sense.

      Do you have a substantiation for any of the claims you make there?

      "Light text on dark backgrounds is easier on the eyes than the traditional black text on white backgrounds. That is why the classic Windows Accessibility color scheme recolors Windows to have large light text on black backgrounds."

      The color schemes that person is referring to are offered in both white on black and black on white.

      This link is a rant by one individual about their own preference.

      That individual's "rant" cites eye strain as his primary problem with such color schemes and also cites the following article as substantiation for why that may be the case: http://www.markboulton.co.uk/journal/comments/five_simple_steps_to_better_typography/

      In any case all I needed to prove was that there were other people who held similar views that light text on a dark background is easier for them to read. You asserted this was not the case. I've proven otherwise. (Hell you've helped me prove otherwise).

      As I've stated already, I never asserted nobody else held your view. I challenge you to find a place where I did. Moreover, that is most certainly not all you needed to prove. I told you what burden of proof you had and you've yet to meet it. You cannot poorly attack the references I provided, which aren't even my responsibility to provide at this stage of the debate, and then arbitrarily declare victory. That is, if you intend to preach to anyone other than the choir.

      This isn't a murder trial and there is no burden of proof.

      I am merely following the rules of formal debate. Again, if you intend to be convincing to anyone other than those who already agree with you, then you should do the same.

      In the context of your original joke, it was used to marginalize and belittle my opinion.

      Here's something we can agree on. I was attacking your argument.

      That's why I was offended.

      You shouldn't be. I was attacking your argument, not you.

      Your very own link proves that I'm not in the minority at all.

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    26. Re:Black background, white or cyan text by syousef · · Score: 1

      I didn't miss your point. You didn't make it very well

      Another ad hominem.

      No it's not. You clearly don't know the meaning of the phrase. If I said you couldn't make an argument to save your life, that might qualify. What I said was you didn't make your point very well. That was clearly an attack on the argument, not on the man. If you're going to use latin phrases, try not to misuse them. It makes you look foolish.

      Here fucking get a clue and read this:
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem#In_logic
      In general, ad hominem criticism of evidence cannot prove the negative of the proposition being claimed:

      Another ad hominem. And I accused you of nothing. I merely stated the fact that you didn't respond to the point I was making which implies that you didn't understand

      I love it. In the same post that you repeatedly accuse me of ad hominem attacks, misapplying the term left right and center, you then state "I accused you of nothing". Not to mention that you seem to think it's logically consistent to accuse me of ad hominem attacks, but excuse yourself of the same under almost exactly the same circumstances. All while attempting to lecture me on the rules of logic and a formal debate. You must be joking. No one could possibly be that fucking stupid. Actually I think what you've done is so irrational and nonsensical that the term "circular stupidity" comes to mind. ...and then you prattle on with more and more of the same. As if you feel the need to repeatedly emphasise the irony of your own stupidity.

      I am merely following the rules of formal debate.

      Buddy you wouldn't know the rules of a formal debate if they bit you on the arse. That most certainly is an ad hominem because quite frankly you're irritating me with your stupidity, arrogance and misuse of terminology.

      In the meantime thanks for making me laugh. I needed that tonight, and believe me I'm laughing my arse off at what I'm sure you still consider to be a sound argument. I also get the pleasure of knowing that you have to live with yourself being that pompous and yet that incompetent. You must be fun at parties.

      Whether you respond or not, I don't think I'll bother to read it. I'd sooner play chess with a mentally challenged sea otter.

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    27. Re:Black background, white or cyan text by Kethinov · · Score: 1

      You clearly don't know the meaning of the phrase. What I said was you didn't make your point very well.

      Which is an ad hominem. According to the very source you cited, "[t]he implication is that the person's ... ability to argue correctly lacks authority." That is what you're asserting by claiming that the reason you didn't understand the point I was making was because I didn't make it very well. It can be stated that a point did not get across without assigning blame or attacking one's character. If you reread my posts, you will see that such neutral language is precisely what I have used.

      [Y]ou seem to think it's logically consistent to accuse me of ad hominem attacks, but excuse yourself of the same under almost exactly the same circumstances.

      I have clearly demonstrated, repeatedly, that none of my posts contain ad hominems. This is supported by the very source you have cited.

      [Y]ou're irritating me with your ... misuse of terminology ... [and] incompeten[ce].

      Except for that pesky fact that my usage is correct.

      I'm laughing my arse off at what I'm sure you still consider to be a sound argument.

      One which you've yet to refute.

      [Y]ou're irritating me with your ... arrogance ... [and] pompous[ness].

      All those ad hominems that I've had the restraint and humility to not respond in kind to and you have the audacity to refer to me as arrogant and pompous? I'm still waiting for that apology.

      You must be fun at parties.

      I've been told I am. :)
      My strict adherence to the rules of formal debate and logic has been the subject of much praise in public debates I've attended.

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    28. Re:Black background, white or cyan text by syousef · · Score: 1

      Except for that pesky fact that my usage is correct.

      Perhaps in your alternate reality, where you like to misquote and mistrepresent what is being said, while latching onto any phrase in isolation and out of context that supports your twisted point of view. You are the very definition of a troll.

      My strict adherence to the rules of formal debate and logic has been the subject of much praise in public debates I've attended.

      Yup. Morons attract morons.

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    29. Re:Black background, white or cyan text by Kethinov · · Score: 1

      Perhaps in your alternate reality, where you like to misquote and mistrepresent [sic] what is being said, while latching onto any phrase in isolation and out of context that supports your twisted point of view.

      This is a red herring. Attacking my quoting style does not prove my usage of ad hominem incorrect.

      That said, my quoting style is designed to maximize brevity and demonstrate precisely what I am responding to (and ignoring). If you feel it misrepresents the point you were trying to make (meaning, you thought I missed your point) you are free to clarify it further, as I have with you.

      Yup. Morons attract morons.

      So, it's not enough to lob ad hominems at me, but you must insult an entire community of people who you've not even had the slightest discourse with as well?

      If you're continuing these attacks because you're expecting me to respond in kind, you'll be disappointed. The only thing these continued insults make me feel is disappointment that a married man and a father can have such a profound lack of decorum and maturity.

      Anyway, I'm here to debate optimal color schemes, not trade insults with you. Shall we get back to the debate? Since you've yet to refute the arguments I've made attacking your position, the burden of proof is still on you. If you can adequately disprove any of my arguments, I will have to either concede that point or find a better argument to support it.

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    30. Re:Black background, white or cyan text by syousef · · Score: 1

      This is a red herring.

      Actually I prefer rainbow coloured.

      Attacking my quoting style does not prove my usage of ad hominem incorrect.

      Nope, I did that quite seperately.

      That said, my quoting style is designed to maximize brevity and demonstrate precisely what I am responding to (and ignoring).

      Ohhh design huh? Does it come with a fabrication plant too? Do you have any idea how pompous and childish you sound?

      So, it's not enough to lob ad hominems at me, but you must insult an entire community of people who you've not even had the slightest discourse with as well?

      Yes sirreee Bob.

      Anyway, I'm here to debate optimal color schemes, not trade insults with you.

      Could've fooled me. You're the one who started the insults with allusions to me being some kind of basement dwelling social misfit.

      Shall we get back to the debate?

      Nup, that horse has bolted. Don't let the barn door hit your arse on the way out.

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    31. Re:Black background, white or cyan text by Kethinov · · Score: 1

      You're the one who started the insults

      Repeating the same false statement over and over that I've refuted again and again does not suddenly make it true.

      Do you have any idea how pompous and childish you sound?

      Pompous childishness is resorting to insults rather than refutations.

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    32. Re:Black background, white or cyan text by syousef · · Score: 1

      Repeating the same false statement over and over that I've refuted again and again does not suddenly make it true

      Really? I couldn't have guessed. Thanks for teaching me, master.

      Pompous childishness is resorting to insults rather than refutations.

      No, actually pompous childishness is insisting that you are a wonderful master debater who is xonstantly praised for their grasp of their laws of logic, while insisting the guy you're discussing things with is an idiot who can't follow a logical argument, throwing insults whilst chiding your opponent for hurling them back, coming up with straw men, misrepresenting the arguments you make, asking for references to be cited while rejecting any evidence actually presented to you, and then expecting your opponent to bother trying to refute anything knowing full well that any refutation he comes up with will be misinterpretted, twisted, rejected and ridiculed. You're nothing short of a nutter.

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    33. Re:Black background, white or cyan text by Kethinov · · Score: 1

      No, actually pompous childishness is insisting that you are a wonderful master debater who is xonstantly [sic] praised for their grasp of their laws of logic, while insisting the guy you're discussing things with is an idiot who can't follow a logical argument,

      I have insisted none of those things.

      throwing insults whilst chiding your opponent for hurling them back, coming up with straw men, misrepresenting the arguments you make,

      I have done none of those things.

      asking for references to be cited while rejecting any evidence actually presented to you

      It is perfectly legitimate to reject demonstrably invalid or irrelevant evidence, as I have done.

      and then expecting your opponent to bother trying to refute anything knowing full well that any refutation he comes up with will be misinterpretted [sic], twisted, rejected and ridiculed.

      Rejecting and even ridiculing an argument is perfectly legitimate when the argument is invalid and/or ridiculous. I do not (deliberately) twist my opponents' arguments in order to refute them. As I've said before, if you clarify something you think I've not responded to directly, I will respond to it more directly.

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    34. Re:Black background, white or cyan text by syousef · · Score: 1

      I have insisted none of those things.
      I have done none of those things.
      It is perfectly legitimate to reject demonstrably invalid or irrelevant evidence, as I have done.

      Repeating the same false statement over and over that I've refuted again and again does not suddenly make it true.

      Rejecting and even ridiculing an argument is perfectly legitimate when the argument is invalid and/or ridiculous. I do not (deliberately) twist my opponents' arguments in order to refute them. As I've said before, if you clarify something you think I've not responded to directly, I will respond to it more directly.

      Well make up your mind. Is my argument ridiculous or just a minority opinion. I've shown you it's neither. In fact the evidence YOU brought to the table show's it's not ridiculous, or even an unusual opinion. I can only conclude you're too stupid to understand that others may have a legitimate point of view that differs from yours. You can deny all you like. It's all in the discussion, recorded for posterity.

      Oh yeah, logical consistency and debate are your forte. You've got me in stitches. You're so ridiculous remind me of an aquaintance from my teenage years (a friend of a friend) who'd bought some star trek technical reference, and insisted it was real and that soon we'd be travelling to the stars. Like him, you have trouble separating fiction from reality or following anything logically consistent.

      You're just a foolish troll.

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    35. Re:Black background, white or cyan text by Kethinov · · Score: 1

      In fact the evidence YOU brought to the table show's it's not ... even an unusual opinion.

      I didn't say it was unusual. I said it was the minority opinion. Unusual would be something like red on green which the study I linked to cited as the least legible.

      I've shown you [my argument is] neither ridiculous [n]or just a minority opinion.

      In order to show that your position is not a minority opinion, you must prove that the vast majority of the internet prefers white on black to black on white. As I've stated before, linking to a VIM color schemes page or referencing a discussion on Digg, Slashdot, or someone's personal site doesn't cut the mustard. Nor does anecdotal evidence.

      The most accurate metric I'm aware of to draw an objective conclusion regarding this is to survey the majority color scheme used by most content on the internet, which is black on white. This implies that black on white is the majority preference for most people, which is supported by objective evidence, such as the color study I linked to.

      As for the ridiculousness of the argument, feel free to dismiss that as my own subjective personal opinion.

      I can only conclude you're too stupid to understand that others may have a legitimate point of view that differs from yours. You can deny all you like. It's all in the discussion, recorded for posterity.

      I never said that your point of view was illegitimate. I said it was in the minority. You're the one who in fact implied that the majority of content on the internet has chosen an inferior color scheme by stating that black on white is a "problematic convention" which is the statement I've been waiting for you to substantiate this entire discussion.

      As for posterity, I am curious: How do you expect your ongoing lack of decorum will be perceived?

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    36. Re:Black background, white or cyan text by syousef · · Score: 1

      I didn't say it was unusual. I said it was the minority opinion. Unusual would be something like red on green which the study I linked to cited as the least legible.

      You didn't say it was unusual??? Lying dishonest troll! You've repeatedly said it is valid to ridcule my point of view. I believe you brought implied basement dwelling into the argument. All you need for minority in the strict sense is majority - 1. You repeatedly stated that my argument was irrelevant because it was in the vast minority, which we've both proven to be untrue. Contrary to what you think being dishonest and slimy does not make you a good debater.

      In order to show that your position is not a minority opinion, you must prove that the vast majority of the internet prefers white on black to black on white.

      Where did you learn logic? From cornflakes packets? In order to show that it's not strict minority, I'd just have to show a majority of 1 more than the minority. I would not have to demonstrate vast majority at all. Furthermore I don't even need to do that. Since your argument is that my point of view is ridiculous, I just have to show that there are many reasonable people out there that share the same opinion. That's exactly what I've done, and exactly what you've dismissed.

      Are you sure people praise you for your grasp of logic? Are you surprised that I'd call them morons, site unseen, given that you can't even follow a logical argument, display a complete lack of understanding of what minority vs majority means, and have decided that in order to prove my point of view is reasonable I have to prove it's the mainstream point of view?

      As I've stated before, linking to a VIM color schemes page or referencing a discussion on Digg, Slashdot, or someone's personal site doesn't cut the mustard. Nor does anecdotal evidence.

      Nor apparently does any evidence you've presented? Like the graph YOU gave that shows only a slight difference, perhaps less than 20% between people who prefer white on black vs black on white. In fact I think it's safe to say that no evidence I presented you with would sway you. You're not interested in evidence. You've made up your own mind that white text on a black screen is ridiculous no matter what anyone else says. The fact that logic doesn't sway you and that you're happy to disregard any evidence that contradicts your pre-conceived notion isn't my problem, it's yours.

      The most accurate metric I'm aware of to draw an objective conclusion regarding this is to survey the majority color scheme used by most content on the internet, which is black on white. This implies that black on white is the majority preference for most people, which is supported by objective evidence, such as the color study I linked to.

      First of all it was one study. Secondly it showed that lots like white on black. Look at the graphs you idiot troll. Thirdly majority opinion doesn't make it right, let alone make it right to ridicule those that don't agree with the majority. I'm tired of repeating the same points to someone who claims to be so intelligent and open minded.

      As for the ridiculousness of the argument, feel free to dismiss that as my own subjective personal opinion.

      Oh don't worry I have dismissed it from the argument. I didn't need your permission to do that. The fact remains that you're an insulting and arrogant little troll with social skills befitting a 4 year old pre-school bully, and only slightly more advanced argumentative skills.

      I never said that your point of view was illegitimate. I said it was in the minority. You're the one who in fact implied that the majority of content on the internet has chosen an inferior color scheme by stating that black on white is a "problematic convention" which is the statement I've been waiting for you to substantiate this entire discussion.

      Stop trying to misrepresent my argument. You know very well that's not what I said and it's all in black and white. You're not waiting for me to su

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    37. Re:Black background, white or cyan text by Kethinov · · Score: 1

      You didn't say it was unusual? Lying dishonest troll!

      Then quote a passage I've written to the contrary.

      You repeatedly stated that my argument was irrelevant because it was in the vast minority

      No, I stated that the burden of proof is on you to prove your claim that white on black is superior to black on white since your position is in the minority.

      Since your argument is that my point of view is ridiculous

      That is not my argument. That is a subjective conclusion I've drawn based on my argument.

      I have to prove it's the mainstream point of view?

      Only if you're disputing the fact that your position is in the minority.

      Like the graph YOU gave that shows only a slight difference, perhaps less than 20% between people who prefer white on black vs black on white.

      The closeness is irrelevant. The legibility study proved with statistical significance that black on white is more legible than white on black. And yes, it also proved with statistical significance that white on black is more legible than several other worse combinations, but that is irrelevant. What is relevant is the fact that this study proves black on white is more legible which explains why it is the majority preference for content on the internet.

      you're happy to disregard any evidence that contradicts your pre-conceived notion

      Present valid contrary evidence that disproves my "pre-conceived notion" that black on white is more legible than white on black and I'll be more than happy to concede the point.

      majority opinion doesn't make it right

      Sure it does. The correct choice is the color scheme most people find the most legible.

      You know very well that's not what I said and it's all in black and white. You're not waiting for me to substantiate anything.

      You said "we've gotten use to conventions that are problematic." This implies that black on white text is a "problematic convention" and that your stated preference of white on black is superior. If that's what you believe, you must substantiate it. That's what I've been waiting for.

      I don't believe that being civil to someone who calls you a basement dwelling logical incompetent twists your words and ridicules you

      Since it is obvious that continuing to deny these repeated baseless accusations will serve only to waste my time, I'll instead respond with this: I'm sorry you feel that way, but I doubt posterity will agree with your assessment of my conduct as that's neither what actually happened nor my intent.

      Perhaps if you weren't so emotionally attached to your argument, you wouldn't get so offended by a perfectly reasonable attack on your argument. Remember: an attack on your argument is not an attack on you.

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    38. Re:Black background, white or cyan text by syousef · · Score: 1

      Then quote a passage I've written to the contrary.

      Okay: "Anyone who has had to switch from reading printed text to a white on black screen over and over again would appreciate the consistency."

      How else is that to be interpreted other than that I hold an unusual or strange position?

      If I wasted more time I'd find more. Stop wasting my time.

      No, I stated that the burden of proof is on you to prove your claim that white on black is superior to black on white since your position is in the minority.

      A steaming pile of BS.

      That is not my argument. That is a subjective conclusion I've drawn based on my argument.

      You're the one who used the word ridiculous and said that using ridicule was valid.

      Stop wasting my time. Stop saying it's not what you said. You're just outright lying, pure and simple.

      The closeness is irrelevant. The legibility study proved with statistical significance that black on white is more legible than white on black

      The closeness is very relevant if you're calling me ridiculous for holding that view.

      The study only proved a slight preference of black on white over white on black. It didn't and couldn't take into account factors such as what a user is accustomed to etc. What other assumptions were made? What other biases could be avoided.

      . What is relevant is the fact that this study proves black on white is more legible which explains why it is the majority preference for content on the internet.

      It most certainly did not prove that. I could probably find several studies that counter. Will I do that for someone that behaves like you do? Nup.

      Present valid contrary evidence that disproves my "pre-conceived notion" that black on white is more legible than white on black and I'll be more than happy to concede the point.

      Where you get to decide what is and isn't valid? Yeah there's a worthwhile hobby and a good use of my time. I've presented evidence. You've dismissed it. You've lied, you've manipulated and you've ridiculed. I'm suppose to waste time trying to convince you? Idiot.

      Sure it does. The correct choice is the color scheme most people find the most legible.

      Again BS. What would people choose if they had use to get something they weren't already use to? What would people choose if the text was customised to be readable as white on black?

      You can't simply define your own criteria for success and then shove it down my throat you troll.

      You said "we've gotten use to conventions that are problematic." This implies that black on white text is a "problematic convention" and that your stated preference of white on black is superior. If that's what you believe, you must substantiate it. That's what I've been waiting for.

      Fuck off. Who the fuck are you? Who says I have to do anything? Who made you my boss? What you're saying is that because I've publicly stated an opinion on an internet forum I somehow owe you something. I owe you nothing and I don't have to substantiate anything to an insulting deceitful troll. Must be fun going around thinking the world owes you something. Fits in well with the rest of your pompous arrogant rant. You need help buddy.

      Since it is obvious that continuing to deny these repeated baseless accusations will serve only to waste my time, I'll instead respond with this: I'm sorry you feel that way, but I doubt posterity will agree with your assessment of my conduct as that's neither what actually happened nor my intent.

      Stick it up your posterity. What you do or don't doubt doesn't interest me. I've seen you flip flop time and time again on what you were arguing. I've seen you deny positions you've held. I've seen you accuse me of a lack of decorum when you were the first to display this. I'm sure you don't see it that way because you're incapable of following a logical train of thought but I'm not your educator and it's not my problem.

      Perhaps if you weren't so emotionally attach

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    39. Re:Black background, white or cyan text by Kethinov · · Score: 1

      Okay: "Anyone who has had to switch from reading printed text to a white on black screen over and over again would appreciate the consistency."

      How else is that to be interpreted other than that I hold an unusual or strange position?

      It is to be interpreted as I further clarified in this post: "I was referring to people who must context switch constantly in a single work session between a paper medium and a white on black computer screen. These people would easily suffer from eye strain. The consistency of the same color scheme on both paper and the computer screen is appreciated in such scenarios and these scenarios are very common."

      your own statistical study that show the number of people that prefer white on black isn't too much lower than those preferring black on white

      No, the statistical study I cited demonstrated that the people tested found white on black to be almost as readable as black on white, especially compared to the harsher combinations such as red on green.

      The closeness is very relevant

      How is it relevant? What does that prove? It most certainly does not prove white on black is more readable than black on white.

      you're calling me ridiculous for holding that view.

      No, I said your view was ridiculous (in my opinion). There is an important difference.

      Where you get to decide what is and isn't valid?

      I make that determination by using generally accepted, time honored rules of formal debate.

      I've presented evidence. You've dismissed it.

      Legitimately.

      What would people choose if they had use to get something they weren't already use to? What would people choose if the text was customised to be readable as white on black?

      Can you clarify this? I can't even figure out what you're talking about here.

      If you want to have a civilized argument

      I do, that's why I've been continuing to ignore your ad hominems. It would be equally big of you to ignore the ones you're falsely perceiving me to be lobbing against you.

      it's possible - at least possible - that it's due to people becoming use to seeing black writing on white background that there's a difference in the amount of contrast.

      That idea is actually part of my argument. As I've stated above, consistency is very important. If you have to constantly switch from a paper medium to a computer screen (such as someone doing data entry), the constant contrast inversion can be extremely eye straining.

      a screen emits light it's not the same as a reflective medium like paper. Bright light shone in one's eyes can produce eye strain - much more than that of staring at not overly reflective paper.

      Whether the light is reflected or emitted is irrelevant. I can dim my monitor to emit less light than the piece of paper on my desk is reflecting, thereby making my computer screen even easier on my eyes than paper.

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    40. Re:Black background, white or cyan text by syousef · · Score: 1

      It is to be interpreted as I further clarified in this post: "I was referring to people who must context switch constantly in a single work session between a paper medium and a white on black computer screen. These people would easily suffer from eye strain. The consistency of the same color scheme on both paper and the computer screen is appreciated in such scenarios and these scenarios are very common."

      Yeah, thanks for changing your story, I mean err clarifying. I can only respond to what you write at the time. I can't read your mind. I can only guess at your intent based on your attitude.

      No, the statistical study I cited demonstrated that the people tested found white on black to be almost as readable as black on white, especially compared to the harsher combinations such as red on green.

      What the fuck does red on green have to do with it you turkey? Another pathetic attempt at misdirection. Take a look at your own damn study and look at how close the numbers are from BoW vs WoB. I've never argued you should use weird harsh combinations and trying to even imply WoB is in the same category isn't supported by the very evidence you presented.

      How is it relevant? What does that prove? It most certainly does not prove white on black is more readable than black on white.

      It proves that your attempt to ridicule my choice is ridiculous in and of itself because a large number of people, not much less than those that prefer BoW like it. My argument was that we're preferring BoW because we're use to it from centuries of experience with paper.

      Legitimately.

      Illegitimately. You persist with the misdirection. You persist with the lies. You persist with the insults. You insist that my point of view is not valid, and you wonder why I think you're a piece of shit???

      Can you clarify this? I can't even figure out what you're talking about here.

      What I'm talking about is preference being affected by familiarity. If that doesn't make sense to you I don't have time for a comprehension lesson, or a lesson on statistical analysis.

      I do, that's why I've been continuing to ignore your ad hominems.

      Garbage. Anything I present you either don't understand (or pretend you don't) or you rubbish as invalid. You don't even want to take the evidence you present into account. Then you get pissed off that I won't present you with more evidence to shoot down illogically. I think you just need the last word, which is half the reason I'm having fun with you. I don't think you can let it go, even though if you're honest with yourself you've lost this argument. Not because I'm a world class debater but because your a weak one, and because I won't continue to feed your trolling by presenting more evidence. I've presented you with all the evidence a sane rational person needs to agree that I hold a legitimate and not uncommon point of view. You insist despite this that I don't. Your problem.

      That idea is actually part of my argument. As I've stated above, consistency is very important. If you have to constantly switch from a paper medium to a computer screen (such as someone doing data entry), the constant contrast inversion can be extremely eye straining.

      Consistency? You mean like your arguments and clarifications are consistent?

      How many documents do you actually print out anyway? How many of them become unreadable if you print inverse? Then there's the ability to hit a print preview or even set preferences if that's what you prefer. Trouble is unless you're an advanced user you're not choosing the colour of your web pages or the background colour of most apps.

      If you are so correct, please explain why newer version of photo editing software - major packages like Corel Photoshop, Adobe Lightroom - are shipping with a black theme by default. Explain why black firefox themes are so widely varied. Explain why they saw fit to include the ability to use a dark background in the latest versions of office. I'll tell you w

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    41. Re:Black background, white or cyan text by Kethinov · · Score: 1

      your attempt to ridicule my choice is ridiculous in and of itself because a large number of people, not much less than those that prefer BoW like it.

      The following of an idea has no correlation with its degree of ridiculousness.

      we're preferring BoW because we're use to it from centuries of experience with paper. ... What I'm talking about is preference being affected by familiarity.

      There's nothing wrong with that though. It's perfectly reasonable to prefer black on white because everything else uses it. Consistency is very important.

      How many documents do you actually print out anyway? How many of them become unreadable if you print inverse? Then there's the ability to hit a print preview or even set preferences if that's what you prefer. Trouble is unless you're an advanced user you're not choosing the colour of your web pages or the background colour of most apps.

      This does not address the point you were replying to. What I said was people who must context switch constantly from a black on white paper medium to a white on black computer screen would suffer from eye strain. This is a very common use case and explains easily why black on white is more often preferred.

      major packages like Corel Photoshop, Adobe Lightroom - are shipping with a black theme by default.

      Yet it's still not the majority preference. Even in the art field. Adobe Photoshop doesn't ship with such a theme, which is easily the most widely used art application. Even if it did, the art field doesn't even come close to representing a majority in computer usage. Or even a majority in professional computer usage.

      black firefox themes are so widely varied

      Again, this proves nothing. The number of black on white themed Firefox users are still the vast majority.

      If you dim your screen enough the surface of the screen's starts to reflect roughly the same amount of light as it is emitting and suddenly the reflections are so bright in comaparison that that causes eye strain.

      This is true. A good example of this would be using a laptop with a glossy screen outside in the bright sun. But the issue here is that the contrast is reduced. That's what causes the eye strain. In this case, whether or not the user is looking at a white on black color scheme or a black on white color scheme is far less relevant than the lack of contrast. The solution is to get into the shade, or go inside.

      A piece of office paper in a properly lit room isn't going to be the same

      Again true. However, a piece of paper in a properly lit room next to a black on white color scheme on a computer monitor will be far more similar to each other than the same piece of paper next to a white on black color scheme on a computer monitor.

      Google the following:
      black themes less eye strain

      Okay. Results:

      1. Author supports your position, but no evidence cited. Author's conclusion is disputed in the discussion. http://lifehacker.com/374189/darken-windows-to-reduce-eye-strain
      2. Same result as above. http://www.lifehacker.com.au/tips/2008/04/01/darken_windows_to_reduce_eye_strain-2.html
      3. Supports neither of our positions, video is comedic. http://www.metacafe.com/watch/337399/avoid_eye_strain_when_using_word/
      4. A Slashdot discussion. There are highly rated comments supporting both my position and yours.
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    42. Re:Black background, white or cyan text by syousef · · Score: 1

      The following of an idea has no correlation with its degree of ridiculousness.

      What rubbish. If an idea isn't logically consistent within itself it's not possible to follow it.

      Okay. Results

      Results support that it's possible to be logically consistent and hold the position that I do, but as predicted you manage to dismiss out of hand, then....

      Sorry. Argumentum ad verecundiam doesn't cut it. But if you believe there are some who will support your position, I'd enjoy reading their hopefully well researched papers on the subject.

      Nor does Reductio ad absurdum. Nor do straw men. Things at which you are adept.

      Do you even understand what Argumentum ad verecundiam means or are you pulling the latin phrases out of your arse via wikipedia? It is YOU that's making the appeal to authority by asking me to provide you with research papers while dismissing anecdotal evidence, articles, and discussion. See "Examples of appeals to authority" under Argumentum ad verecundiam in wikipedia. Your argument is classic Argumentum ad verecundiam since you refuse to acknowledge evidence unless it's from a research paper.

      Secondly, do you even see the irony in, throughout the course of the discussion, singing your own praises, claiming to be a magnificent debater whose logical prowess impresses friends and strangers alike, then accusing me of Argumentum ad verecundiam?

      You're a turkey. Honestly, every single time you try to sound clever you come up with something amusing because it's so much more idiotic than your last blunder. How you can think you're a magnificent logical debater is beyond me.

      But if you believe there are some who will support your position, I'd enjoy reading their hopefully well researched papers on the subject.

      Okay I'll go commission one for you right away. I bet you'd dismiss that too. It won't be by the right scientist, yeah?

      Can't wait for your next inane response. Only wish it was more challenging to respond.

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    43. Re:Black background, white or cyan text by Kethinov · · Score: 1

      If an idea isn't logically consistent within itself it's not possible to follow it.

      Tell that to religious fundamentalists. ;)

      Results support that it's possible to be logically consistent and hold the position that I do

      Results which either support my position as equally as yours, neither of our positions, or actually do more to support my case than yours as is the case with #5.

      It is YOU that's making the appeal to authority by asking me to provide you with research papers while dismissing anecdotal evidence, articles, and discussion.

      No, the opposite is the case. Firstly, anecdotal evidence is inadmissible. Articles and discussions are fine, but only when well sourced (like a research paper) because otherwise, all you have is an appeal to authority. Without sources, all you have to go on is the credibility of the author.

      do you even see the irony in ... singing your own praises

      Yes. Twisting an insult into a compliment does have a certain irony to it. That was the point.

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    44. Re:Black background, white or cyan text by syousef · · Score: 1

      I note you've nicely avoided response to why large companies writing photo editing software are creating black themes and making them the default.

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    45. Re:Black background, white or cyan text by Kethinov · · Score: 1

      No, I didn't. The response was in this post.

      You wrote:

      major packages like Corel Photoshop, Adobe Lightroom - are shipping with a black theme by default.

      To which I responded: "Yet it's still not the majority preference. Even in the art field. Adobe Photoshop doesn't ship with such a theme, which is easily the most widely used art application. Even if it did, the art field doesn't even come close to representing a majority in computer usage. Or even a majority in professional computer usage."

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    46. Re:Black background, white or cyan text by syousef · · Score: 1

      Sorry, my mistake. I missed that. You dismissed it rather than ignored it.

      *yawn*

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    47. Re:Black background, white or cyan text by Kethinov · · Score: 1

      That is correct. A recent, yet still minority trend in a single software market hardly constitutes evidence that white on black is the ideal choice for all content displayed on a computer screen.

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    48. Re:Black background, white or cyan text by syousef · · Score: 1

      That is correct. A recent, yet still minority trend in a single software market hardly constitutes evidence that white on black is the ideal choice for all content displayed on a computer screen.

      It's amazing how logically inconsistent you are. Since you made the assertion, you state it as fact, and dismiss it out of hand. If I made such an assertion you'd start rabbiting on about how the onus is on me to prove it. I suppose that's your idea of being a good debater. I assure you it's not. Even your tone makes you come across as a complete smug prat. Recent minority trend indeed. We're talking about expensive top of the line photo editors used by most commercial graphic artists, not some piece of shareware crap that 3 geeks use. Single software market indeed. That single software market you speak of constitutes the graphic arts industry.

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    49. Re:Black background, white or cyan text by Kethinov · · Score: 1

      We're talking about expensive top of the line photo editors used by most commercial graphic artists

      For every white on black by default graphics app you can find, I can find two more which are black on white by default. Including the most widely used art app of them all: Photoshop.

      That single software market you speak of constitutes the graphic arts industry.

      Which, like most software markets, is a minority. If you could demonstrate that most software markets are demonstrating a majority trend toward white on black, you'd have a compelling argument.

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    50. Re:Black background, white or cyan text by syousef · · Score: 1

      For every white on black by default graphics app you can find, I can find two more which are black on white by default. Including the most widely used art app of them all: Photoshop.

      For every stupid trollish argument you make I can counter with reason and logic.

      I don't care how many apps you can find. I was only showing that it was reasonable and that there are people who've given the topic considerable thought and prefer less distracting WoB. I've done that no matter how many examples of interfaces with BoW you find.

      Which, like most software markets, is a minority. If you could demonstrate that most software markets are demonstrating a majority trend toward white on black, you'd have a compelling argument.

      Since I was never trying to demonstrate that most software markets have moved to white on black, you must be arguing with someone else. Seriously, quit with that same lame fucking straw man would you? My original argument was that on the whole we're so use to black on white that we're not considering that may not be the best solution. My second argument (or to be accurate my first counter-argument) was that it is not just basement dwelling misfits that experience less eye strain with WoB as you have repeatedly suggested or blatantly stated. Your harping on about majority vs minority does not address either of those arguments. If you do find someone stupid enough to suggest that the majority of interfaces in 2008 are WoB, please continue arguing with them. In the meantime stop putting such asinine words into my mouth. You pull crap like that repeatedly, constantly ignore me asking you to stop, and then wonder why I think you're a complete asshole, and stupid to boot?

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    51. Re:Black background, white or cyan text by Kethinov · · Score: 1

      I was never trying to demonstrate that most software markets have moved to white on black

      Good. Then I'll assume that the fact that the white on black crowd is in the minority is not in dispute.

      My original argument was that on the whole we're so use to black on white that we're not considering that may not be the best solution.

      And in order to substantiate that claim, you're going to have to demonstrate why white on black is a better solution than what most people are currently using.

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    52. Re:Black background, white or cyan text by syousef · · Score: 1

      Good. Then I'll assume that the fact that the white on black crowd is in the minority is not in dispute.

      It never was. That was YOUR straw man.

      And in order to substantiate that claim, you're going to have to demonstrate why white on black is a better solution than what most people are currently using.

      Nope. I owe you nothing, as already repeatedly stated. I've demonstrated that plenty of what you said is wrong, and that you've been trolling, mis-directing, being dismissive, using straw men etc. I hold an opinion. I stated that opinion on a public forum. Had you argued more honestly I might be inclined to provide more substantiation. As it stands I have no motivation to do so.

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    53. Re:Black background, white or cyan text by Kethinov · · Score: 1

      Good. Then I'll assume that the fact that the white on black crowd is in the minority is not in dispute.

      It never was.

      That statement contradicts the following statement you made earlier in the discussion: "Your very own link proves that I'm not in the minority at all."

      I've demonstrated that plenty of what you said is wrong

      Either that never happened, or I've forgotten. I tend toward the former.

      I hold an opinion. I stated that opinion on a public forum.

      Yes, apparently the majority opinion is a "problematic convention" and "not the best solution." But don't ask for a good reason why. It's not like the burden of proof falls on he who asserts or anything. That'd be too logical.

      As it stands I have no motivation to [provide an actual argument].

      I can see that.

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    54. Re:Black background, white or cyan text by syousef · · Score: 1

      That statement contradicts the following statement you made earlier in the discussion: "Your very own link proves that I'm not in the minority at all.

      Followed by lengthy discussion of the technical meaning of minority and your usage of it to dismiss my thoughts as fringe rather than minority. But hey quote out of context. Apparently THAT is what you consider makes a masterful logical debater.

      You're a troll and an asshole.

      Either that never happened, or I've forgotten. I tend toward the former.

      Yes I'm sure you do. Denial does not equate to truth.

      You're a troll and an asshole.

      Yes, apparently the majority opinion is a "problematic convention" and "not the best solution." But don't ask for a good reason why. It's not like the burden of proof falls on he who asserts or anything. That'd be too logical.

      Once again for the dummies. There is no burden of proof. This is not a trial. This is an internet discussion board. I'm free to hold and express whatever opinion I choose. I don't need to provide someone who counter argues deceitfully with justification. I don't answer to you.

      You're a troll and an asshole.

      I can see that. ...and yet you persist because you have some deep psychological need to have the last word.

      You're a troll and an asshole.

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    55. Re:Black background, white or cyan text by Kethinov · · Score: 1

      you have some deep psychological need to have the last word.

      You should read the definition of projection in psychology. Just like this statement, throughout the discussion you have demonstrated in spades what you have routinely falsely accused me of.

      Unless your inevitable next post contains an actual argument, feel free to have "the last word" in the discussion because I won't be replying to it if it follows this pattern.

      That way we'll both be happy. Your psychological need to have "the last word" which you're projecting on me will be satisfied and I can stop wasting my time repeating the same refutations over and over.

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    56. Re:Black background, white or cyan text by syousef · · Score: 1

      You should read the definition of projection in psychology.

      You should stop being so incredibly condescending and/or assuming everyone you debate with is less educated than you are. It doesn't come across as witty - just arrogant.

      You might want to look up projection in the dictionary yourself. If you're genuinely displaying a behaviour I'm not projecting it onto you, even if I display that same behaviour.

      Just like this statement, throughout the discussion you have demonstrated in spades what you have routinely falsely accused me of.

      What a complete bunch of bollox. You ran out of actual arguments long ago and resorted to straw men, quoting out of context, dismissing perfectly valid arguments on weak the weakest premiss you could find. You know you've lost this so called debate.

      I am not the one claiming your point of view is invalid. If you had said I respectfully disagree and think black text on a white background is more readable, and there are others that think the same" we'd have no issue. You however are claiming my point of view is invalid and that it can only be held by basement dwelling geeks.

      Unless your inevitable next post contains an actual argument, feel free to have "the last word" in the discussion because I won't be replying to it if it follows this pattern.

      The pattern of calling a pompous bullying troll exactly what he is?

      That way we'll both be happy. Your psychological need to have "the last word" which you're projecting on me will be satisfied

      Yep. I'm smiling from ear to ear. Love being called a basement dweller and being told I owe someone I don't know from a bar of soap documented proof that my point of view is valid for the purposes of an internet discussion. Love having valid arguments dismissed on flimsy grounds. Love debating with someone who can't wait to tell me how good they are at debating and how much better they are than my basement dwelling arse.

      I can stop wasting my time repeating the same refutations over and over.

      Oh yes, because you've never caused me to repeat any of mine over and over.

      Have a nice life. You might want to look at some of your own contradictions and social shortcomings before trying to play psychologist to me you presumptive twat.

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  13. Good luck by FluffyWithTeeth · · Score: 2, Insightful

    We seem to get this article every few months, and there's never any scientific data to look at.

    So, uh, enjoy your 400 posts of anecdotal evidence and personal opinion. Personally I reccomend pastel text on an ash grey background.

    1. Re:Good luck by kazdoran · · Score: 0

      So, uh, enjoy your 400 posts of anecdotal evidence and personal opinion.

      Can it even be scientifically measured? All you can get is someone's subjective response to all color and contrast combinations, which varies from person to person.

      Sure, you can always build something statistically over the data you collect, but it's always going to have different results over different subjects, IMHO.

    2. Re:Good luck by Captain+Spam · · Score: 1

      Well, if there were scientific data, the asker could've just Googled it (or the user would be enjoying 400 posts of "omg googl it u n00b lol"). Best we CAN do is anecdotal evidence and personal opinion. Maybe the asker was looking for that. Sometimes that's all you've got, and you've gotta act on that. You have to decide, Striker. You have to decide... you have to decide... you have to decide...

      *ahem* Sorry. Just got a copy of the Airplane! DVD. Still on my mind.

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    3. Re:Good luck by Earered · · Score: 1

      Chapter 11, part 1 http://www.usability.gov/pdfs/chapter11.pdf (PDF 11MiB)

      Black on white backround.

      Studies noticing this started in 1956 (the last mentioned is from 2000).

      Also, someone gave an explanation in one of the above post: dark backround tricks your pupils into opening more widly, loosing focus.

  14. Gentoo by Jurily · · Score: 1

    The default vi colors on a fresh Gentoo install are absolutely beautiful, easy to read, and in my experience helps with eye strain too.

    1. Re:Gentoo by mowall · · Score: 2, Funny

      The default vi colors on a fresh Gentoo install are absolutely beautiful

      Could you check what they are and post them please? I'd like to try it but don't have that kind of time.

    2. Re:Gentoo by Jurily · · Score: 1

      I think this is it: /usr/share/vim/vim7/darkblue.vim (heavily edited due to the lameness filter...)

      set bg=dark
      hi clear
      if exists("syntax_on")
              syntax reset
      endif

      let colors_name = "darkblue"

      hi Normal ctermfg=gray ctermbg=black
      hi ErrorMsg ctermfg=white ctermbg=lightblue
      hi Visual ctermfg=lightblue ctermbg=fg cterm=reverse
      hi VisualNOS ctermfg=lightblue ctermbg=fg cterm=reverse,underline
      hi Todo ctermfg=red ctermbg=darkblue
      hi Search ctermfg=white ctermbg=darkblue cterm=underline term=underline
      hi IncSearch ctermfg=darkblue ctermbg=gray

      hi SpecialKey ctermfg=darkcyan
      hi Directory ctermfg=cyan
      hi Title ctermfg=magenta cterm=bold
      hi WarningMsg ctermfg=red
      hi WildMenu ctermfg=yellow ctermbg=black cterm=none term=none
      hi ModeMsg ctermfg=lightblue
      hi MoreMsg ctermfg=darkgreen ctermfg=darkgreen
      hi Question ctermfg=green cterm=none
      hi NonText ctermfg=darkblue

      hi StatusLine ctermfg=blue ctermbg=gray term=none cterm=none
      hi StatusLineNC ctermfg=black ctermbg=gray term=none cterm=none
      hi VertSplit ctermfg=black ctermbg=gray term=none cterm=none

      hi Folded ctermfg=darkgrey ctermbg=black cterm=bold term=bold
      hi FoldColumn ctermfg=darkgrey ctermbg=black cterm=bold term=bold
      hi LineNr ctermfg=green cterm=none

      hi DiffAdd guibg=darkblue ctermbg=darkblue term=none cterm=none
      hi DiffChange guibg=darkmagenta ctermbg=magenta cterm=none
      hi DiffDelete ctermfg=blue ctermbg=cyan gui=bold guifg=Blue guibg=DarkCyan
      hi DiffText cterm=bold ctermbg=red gui=bold guibg=Red

      hi Cursor guifg=black guibg=yellow ctermfg=black ctermbg=yellow
      hi lCursor guifg=black guibg=white ctermfg=black ctermbg=white

      hi Comment guifg=#80a0ff ctermfg=darkred
      hi Constant ctermfg=magenta guifg=#ffa0a0 cterm=none
      hi Special ctermfg=brown guifg=Orange cterm=none gui=none
      hi Identifier ctermfg=cyan guifg=#40ffff cterm=none
      hi Statement ctermfg=yellow cterm=none guifg=#ffff60 gui=none
      hi PreProc ctermfg=magenta guifg=#ff80ff gui=none cterm=none
      hi type ctermfg=green guifg=#60ff60 gui=none cterm=none
      hi Underlined cterm=underline term=underline
      hi Ignore guifg=bg ctermfg=bg

    3. Re:Gentoo by mr_mischief · · Score: 1

      That's a stock one from vim.org, so most copies of vim will have it. I like it a lot, too. It's almost like torte but has a dark blue (go figure) background instead of black.

      I'd never recommend just one option for something so subjective, but I use mostly torte and sometimes murphy or darkblue. I checked out zenburn from the descriptions above and I think I'll try that a day or two to see how I like it. It looks good so far.

      Others I haven't really tried for very long at a time but which weren't bad at first include the stock "blue", "desert", "ron", and "elflord" (not making that up) themes and the "wombat" theme.

      Be sure your syntax highlighting isn't doing strange things before you rule out a color scheme. Alternate syntax files for many languages are available.

  15. Re:Green on Black - Yes by halcyon1234 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm with the parent. Black background. I use Lime Green, with Lime Green for the cursor, and Yellow for selection. It's high contrast, easy on the eyes, and it makes it look like you're programming The Matrix. =)

  16. TextMate Cobalt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    With Consolas.

  17. Grey and Black by AkaKaryuu · · Score: 1

    I've always liked black text with a medium shade of gray for the background. Not too light, not too dark. White hurts me. :(

  18. Cory heart theory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Try wearing some sun glasses with a protective UV film.

    -R

  19. As long as you can see it, it's fine by Bandman · · Score: 1

    I'm an admin rather than a programmer, but when I write code, I'm usually pretty easy going with my color schemes, as long as the background is black and I can read the comments.

    vim by default leaves the comments in shell scripts as a dark, dark blue, which makes it almost impossible to see. A little lighter is fine.

    1. Re:As long as you can see it, it's fine by CronoCloud · · Score: 1

      vim by default leaves the comments in shell scripts as a dark, dark blue, which makes it almost impossible to see. A little lighter is fine.

      That's a term feature, not vim, though vim probably should change them. I fix it by setting color4 to be DodgerBlue in my .Xdefaults. Which also fixes the hard to see floating eyes in Nethack.

      rxvt*color4: DodgerBlue

      What's worse IMHO is that ls colors ignores your term settings so that the directory color stays that evil dark blue.

      So I change:
      DIR 01;34 to DIR 37;44 in /etc/DIR_COLORS

    2. Re:As long as you can see it, it's fine by Bandman · · Score: 1

      Nice howto. Thanks!

    3. Re:As long as you can see it, it's fine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      vim probably thinks you have a light background. Set it to dark, and the comments should be bright cyan by default.

      :set bg=dark

  20. Black Background, DarkGrey Comments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I actually use the standard scheme of highlighting that comes with vim, except for the darkblue comment
    which i find really difficult to read on a black background. So i finally found out how to change it to Darkgrey which i find works well. I think the syntax is something like: :highlight Comment cternfg=DarkGrey

    Also a black background i general is a good idear because the contrast in general will be better.

  21. Maybe it's contrast? by kazdoran · · Score: 0

    Although I couldn't find any links atm (a little busy, sorry), I believe there are a few studies that point out contrast as an important factor on the usability of text-based applications.

    I for one, don't have any trouble with the default colors on vi, but, you could probably try black text on a yellow (not too bright, of course) background.

    It's a smooth contrast and it may actually help you focus better on the text you're reading. Also, make sure your vision is ok, you may be forcing your eyes to focus too much and may be in need of lenses.

  22. Captain Obvious by Saint+Stephen · · Score: 1

    Green text on black background.

    This has been 30 seconds with Captain Obvious. Thank you, and happy hunting!

    1. Re:Captain Obvious by Kingston · · Score: 1

      Hey, that was only three seconds, I feel cheated.

  23. Back in the day... by jskline · · Score: 1

    when I used to do a predominant part of my day coding, I used to set the editor to full screen, and use not a full bright white background, but a gray background and then use the color syntax highlighting on that. When your in a room with typical 6500 degree-kelvin florescent lighting, combined with the peak white background (paper page simulated) on the monitor, they do tend to make your eyes really have to focus much too hard.

    What also helps the eye strain is if you are still using a CRT monitor, get the refresh rate on it higher than 72 hz. vertical rate. That alone is a major cause of eye strain and headaches. This is due to your eyes and brain being able to see the screens inter-scanning and blanking. I ran mine at 75hz until I got bigger screen then I could go to 90hz. Now I have flat panel screens but don't do much coding anymore, so I'm not sure what issues lie here except that I have no problems with my laptop screen and I'm on it all day long.

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  24. Old School by why-is-it · · Score: 1

    Maybe it's because I'm getting old, but I prefer the old-school look of green text on a black background.

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  25. saveonweb by saveonweb · · Score: 1

    I use black text on white background and keep the brightness of screen at a comfortable level. Also, setting the refresh rate of the screen higher (if you use CRT monitor) also gives less stress to the eyes.

  26. Hot Dog Stand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Red, Black, and Yellow.

  27. Text dark, background bright. by Ihlosi · · Score: 2, Informative

    This combination is the most relaxing for the eye. Also, illuminate the area around and behind the monitor.

    Why ? Depth-of-focus. Brightness will make the pupils contract, which increases the depth of focus and decreases the amount of regulating that the eye needs to do.

    Maybe you need to have your vision checked, too. Having a quarter of a diopter too much or too little is hardly noticable, but wil give you headaches in the long run.

    1. Re:Text dark, background bright. by TheLink · · Score: 1

      "Brightness will make the pupils contract"

      Yeah well, I'd rather they didn't have to contract so much - they start to feel a bit tired after a while - ever looked at a bright surface for a while? How about the bright blue sky? (And see your white blood cells zooming about like little comets :) ). Gets tiring after a while.

      There's not much regulating the eye needs to do when the screen doesn't move and you stick to a sane colour scheme (stuff like pure red on green/blue is probably crazy - due to chromatic aberration). If you're lucky and your vision is good or correctable to good, even if your pupils aren't that contracted your vision will be fine.

      Some of these new LCDs are crazy - just so they can advertise 2000:1 contrast ratios they make the whites so bright they sear your retinas. So the popular "modern" black on white scheme starts to feel like you need ski goggles.

      I've got the brightness set to 0 out of 100 on my samsung 206BW and it's still kinda bright. Trouble is at that brightness level when you play games the darker areas are too dark.

      Anyway each to their own - just try out various schemes and see which ones your eyes are fine with.

      I'm fine with green on black (except when you alt tab to your browser your eyes might get a shock on some black on white or some crazy black on yellow schemes ;) ).

      Pastels on dark grey are OK fo me too. Contrast and colour difference enough to read, but not so much that the text and background appear to be floating at different depths. Maybe when I'm older I'll go for higher contrast.

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  28. up you refresh rate, remove Florescent lights by lrohrer · · Score: 1

    1) The simplest solution is to up your refresh rate on your CRT. If its a LCD maybe changing the brightness will help. No doubt most Slashdot readers have already done this.

    2) The background lighting in the room can NOT be overlooked. Any florescent light in the room will cause problems, remove them and environmentally dispose of them. Send them to Al gore and company. Anyways the vibration frequency does affect humans.

    3) Have something else to focus the eyes on and actively look away from the terminal.

  29. If your using Ubuntu by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Try the high contrast theme with your screen brightness adjusted to a comfortable level. Works for me!

  30. I am not sure but. by LWATCDR · · Score: 0

    I will bet that the default black on white is about the worst you can use. I have heard that too high of a contrast is really bad for your eyes.

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  31. Match your environment by edelholz · · Score: 2, Insightful

    One thing you have to remember is that you're not just seeing your screen, but also the things around it (in case you don't own a 30" TFT...). So, personally I have found whatever theme resembles the colors and brightness levels of the area of my desktop (the table, the wall behind it, the amount of light etc.) works best for me, i.e. causes the least strain on my eyes. Which, as a consequence, also means that I'll at least adjust the brightness of my screen with changing daylight hours.
    So, this being /., go for a darkish theme matching the missing daylight in your basement.

  32. high contrast by NovaHorizon · · Score: 1
    http://www.eyecarecontacts.com/computers_and_eyestrain.html

    There's a page on eyestrain caused from the computer. white background and black foreground seems to be their recommendation. Though they go over all causes of eye pain.

  33. Amber on black. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Vi is set up that way on here, Visual Studio is, Eclipse is.

    Old school, perhaps, but I can't freakin read black on white for very long.

    IMO, font choices have a bigger impact though. I'm a big fan of ProFont.

  34. Dark Green on Yellow/beige by Harmonious+Botch · · Score: 3, Interesting

    A fir bit of informal research has been done by chessplayers on this subject. After decades of experimenting, the choice of chessboard color seems to have settled on dark green on yellow or beige.

    This makes sense when one considers that the eye sees colors best in the middle of the spectrum where yellow and green are; and sees worst at the ends where they fade into infrared and ultraviolet.

  35. link from archive.org by Carbon+Unit+549 · · Score: 1
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    1. Re:link from archive.org by cathector · · Score: 1

      thank you.

  36. old news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This was covered about 2 months ago on /.

    http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/04/08/2213222

  37. Umm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're sure it's the colors and not something else about the editor?

  38. Bias lighting? by Guanine · · Score: 4, Informative

    The few scientific studies I've found on readability indicate that there is no color scheme that significantly enhances readability -- I would think readability would only be part of the issue regarding the eye strain problem.

    So, what about making your own bias light for your monitor? That will _definitely_ reduce eye strain.

    1. Re:Bias lighting? by Tom · · Score: 1

      I second parent.

      I put three small LED strips on the back of my flatscreen, so that they illuminate the wall behind the monitor, surrounding it in a bit of light. My subjective feeling is that this has considerably reduced eye-strain.

      From what I know about the scientific side, lighting differences is what makes your eyes hurt. If your display is considerably brighter or darker than the room around it, your eyes will be forced to adapt all the time as you look around (and you do, even if you don't notice it consciously), and that causes them to hurt. The purpose of brightening up the wall behind your display is to bring that to roughly equal brightness as the display itself.

      Obviously, it's not perfect. In some games, during particularily dark sequences, my bias lighting is brighter than the screen. If you're really deep into electronics, you can probably make it adapt...

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    2. Re:Bias lighting? by jwdb · · Score: 1

      One of the tests my eye doctor did last weekend was to ask me whether the black text was sharper with a green or a red background, and whether various lenses helped make them identical. After experiencing that, I find it fishy that studies say color matters little. I'd expect color contrast to be important in the same way that intensity contrast is.

      Jw

    3. Re:Bias lighting? by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1

      He was checking you for partial color blindness. Your personal experience might not carry over to general population without color blindness.

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    4. Re:Bias lighting? by sp332 · · Score: 1

      that's what ambX is for: http://www.ambx.com/site/consumer/peripherals Freaking awesome!

    5. Re:Bias lighting? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Try Python, that enhances readability!

    6. Re:Bias lighting? by jwdb · · Score: 1

      He was checking you for partial color blindness.

      That would be the second time he's done that test in two weeks (I'm getting contact lenses fitted) so it's not my eyes alone he's measuring.

      Your personal experience might not carry over to general population without color blindness.

      True, of course. But I can't help thinking that not all color schemes are equal just like not all settings for contrast are equal. In the linked study they *did* find significant differences in the readability of text with different colors and fonts, but the relationship between color, contrast and font was not obvious.

  39. Zenburn by DarkDust · · Score: 4, Informative

    I love Zenburn. I use it on all my machines now and at work.

    But there is one thing you should do in your .vimrc prior to setting :colorscheme zenburn, and that is forcing the use of 256 colors:

    :set t_Co=256

    Also I found that the search highlighting wasn't visible enough for my taste, so I tuned it. After :colorscheme zenburn I have:

    :hi search ctermbg=223 ctermfg=238
    :hi incsearch ctermbg=216 ctermfg=242

    And if you like to have a little more contrast, then insert the following before your :colorscheme zenburn:

    :let g:zenburn_high_Contrast = 1

    which together makes for this:

    :set t_Co=256
    :let g:zenburn_high_Contrast = 1
    :colorscheme zenburn
    :hi search ctermbg=223 ctermfg=238
    :hi incsearch ctermbg=216 ctermfg=242

  40. moderate contrast and sparing color by Speare · · Score: 1

    First, good monitor. If the CRT is old, the caps are breaking down and dot pitch starts to suck.

    Next, for the text editors you use all day, select a moderate contrast. Not bright text on black, and not dark text on white. The background should be no lighter than #CCCCCC or darker than #333333. Save the high contrast for brief sessions, like email or web.

    Lastly, every built-in color syntax highlighting theme I've seen makes the source code look like a carnival midway, if not the Vegas strip. Lose half the colors or more. I personally like to distinguish between code, comments and constant literals. All the code looks the same; after using a language for more than a couple weeks, you shouldn't need the editor to highlight keywords or function names or braces any differently. I do highlight comment keywords like TODO and REVIEW and BUGBUG but they are far less than 1% of the text.

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    1. Re:moderate contrast and sparing color by slackito · · Score: 1

      after using a language for more than a couple weeks, you shouldn't need the editor to highlight keywords or function names or braces any differently.

      But after using a language for more than a couple years, keyword highlighting still makes really easy to spot typing mistakes (like 'whlie' instead of 'while') on the fly.

  41. Red... by TheSubAtomic · · Score: 1

    I've read somewhere that the color red is less physically straining on your eyes, so I would think that red on a black background might be best for you. Or possibly even red on a grey background, there would be less contrast, easier on your eyes and whatnot...

  42. Consolas by hansamurai · · Score: 1

    I don't have a great opinion on colors but I do like my fonts. Specifically the monospaced font Consolas. It's a Microsoft font that requires ClearType to be turned on, so chances are if you're using Vim you can't use it, but it just looks great. I've found it very easy on the eyes.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consolas

    1. Re:Consolas by puddles · · Score: 1

      Of course you can use consolas under Linux. You can either set your terminal program to use consolas, or tell gvim to use it.

      For .gvimrc:

      set guifont=Consolas\ 11

    2. Re:Consolas by hansamurai · · Score: 1

      Otherwise it looks like Inconsolata is similar enough:

      http://www.levien.com/type/myfonts/inconsolata.html

    3. Re:Consolas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you're using gvim you can certainly use it. I have it in my .vimrc to use it (but you have to detect the gui, otherwise the text-mode vim complains that it can't use fonts).

      if has("gui")
              set gfn=Consolas:h11:cANSI
              colorscheme candycode
      else
              colorscheme torte
      endif

    4. Re:Consolas by 3LP · · Score: 1

      Consolas is nice, but I prefer DotumChe. FixedSys was my favorite for years, but half an hour after getting an LCD monitor at work, I was looking for a finer bitstream font. Also: yellow on black is easiest on my eyes

    5. Re:Consolas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ooh, what's this I have here, a connection between my windows and Linux machines? Why don't I just copy the windows font folder over. :-) Who's going to know.

  43. Problem solved long ago by The+Mad+Duke · · Score: 1

    This was workred out long ago. You want dim room light so that your pupils can relax and open up. The human eye is most sensitive to green light, so use a dim green on a black background and you eye muscles will have an easy time of it. Look at old computer terminals - all green screens.
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    1. Re:Problem solved long ago by Ihlosi · · Score: 1
      You want dim room light so that your pupils can relax and open up.

      ... which will give you horrible depth of focus and force the eye to constantly re-focus.

      Why is that a good thing ?

    2. Re:Problem solved long ago by DrDitto · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Old terminal screens were green because of the technology. Not because they were concerned about eye strain back in the 60s.

    3. Re:Problem solved long ago by dangitman · · Score: 1

      Look at old computer terminals - all green screens.

      And they were totally crap. What makes you think they were good, just because they were old? There's a reason we don't use that color scheme anymore. Because we don't have to, and it was horrible for eyestrain.

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    4. Re:Problem solved long ago by Simon+Brooke · · Score: 1

      You want dim room light so that your pupils can relax and open up.

      ... which will give you horrible depth of focus and force the eye to constantly re-focus.

      Why is that a good thing ?

      Because when you are looking at a screen the focal distance is constant and you don't ever need to refocus, so depth of field is a complete non-issue.

      Dark - or dim - rooms are definitely easier on the eyes.

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    5. Re:Problem solved long ago by Ihlosi · · Score: 1
      Because when you are looking at a screen the focal distance is constant and you don't ever need to refocus, so depth of field is a complete non-issue.

      Only if (1) you never, every move your head one bit and (2) your screen is curved spherically and (3) both of your eyes are exactly in the center of that sphere.

      (1) is bad for your neck muscles, so don't try to do that.
      (2) Commonly-available screens are flat, and not curved.
      (3) I believe this is fairly painful, and at least one of the eyes isn't going to be in a workable condition after you try fulfilling this condition.

      Dark - or dim - rooms are definitely easier on the eyes.

      Also, what makes you think that large pupils are "relaxed" ? There are two muscles controlling pupil dilation, and one of them will have to contract in any given pupil configuration.

    6. Re:Problem solved long ago by TheLink · · Score: 1

      Refocus on what? If you're just looking at the text at the same range why would there be a need to refocus?

      Looking at dim stars in the night sky doesn't force the eye to constantly refocus.

      I don't know about you, maybe I'm a nocturnal sort - I find looking at stars in a dark sky more relaxing than looking at black stuff (crows?) in a bright blue sky. Maybe everything is more focused, but it sure is more of a strain.

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    7. Re:Problem solved long ago by Ihlosi · · Score: 1
      Refocus on what? If you're just looking at the text at the same range why would there be a need to refocus?

      Your monitor isn't spherically curved. Stuff at the edge of the screen is farther away from your eyes than stuff in the middle of the screen. Also, you shouldn't hold your head perfectly still for several hours, since that's really bad for your neck muscles (which can also give you a headache).

    8. Re:Problem solved long ago by toddestan · · Score: 1

      Even in the 1960's, we had already been making B&W TVs for decades, so it's not like we were stuck with green/amber for technical reasons. Probably cost had more to do with it than anything else.

  44. Read the other posts! by Gary+W.+Longsine · · Score: 1

    Previous discussions were cited in this very discussion thread a few minutes ago!

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    1. Re:Read the other posts! by mowall · · Score: 1

      Yes, I see them now. Mine was the 3rd or 4th post, before the others, but it's been pushed down as it was a top-level reply. Oh well! :)

    2. Re:Read the other posts! by nwf · · Score: 1

      Making that post a meta-dup?

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  45. Glasses by thegrassyknowl · · Score: 1

    If you're getting headaches it's very likely that you have some kind of sight problem anyway. I used to work on all sorts of shitty screens until a year ago (30 years in the industry). I started getting eye strain and headaches as you describe.

    It turns out that I (like many other people who don't realise it) am slightly long sighted. It's enough to make staring at something for a length of time uncomfortable and not enough to be noticed day to day while out and about.

    Get your eyes checked first and foremost. Getting corrective glasses early can save a lot of need for them later.

    Secondly, get a good screen. LCD or CRT but spend the dollars to get a good one. A good video card also makes a difference if you have an analog screen - the cheap-ass components in the output stages on cheap-ass cards to degenerate the signal.

    When you've done all that you can play with colour schemes. My preference is for simple white text on black background. A few bright colours (orange, red, yellow, blue) to highlight certain things and I'm set to code for days without strain.

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    1. Re:Glasses by lagfest · · Score: 1

      Secondly, get a good screen. LCD or CRT but spend the dollars to get a good one.

      No, CRTs just don't cut it for text editing anymore. I've had the unfortunate pleasure of working with a CRT and a LCD side by side, and LCDs with a digital signal (DVI/HDMI) are by far better for text editing than anything analog.

      With analog signalling, you have to worry about refresh rates, moire correction, focus, aspect ratios, tilt etc.

      So yes, spend what you need to get a good screen, but don't buy a CRT.

    2. Re:Glasses by Imsdal · · Score: 1

      Bingo!

      Get glasses, mod parent up, close discussion, let's not have it in another quarter year. It really is that simple.

  46. Color scheme, LCD quality, OS by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

    I know a lot of you will try to mod me down for my fourth point, but the fact is, code is text and there's more factors into play when display text vs a simple JPEG:

    - If you don't already use a good LCD display, buy one. Your eyes will thank you soon enough.

    - Use a color scheme that you think is easy on the eyes. You'll get a lot of suggestions about this from other replies since it was your question to begin with, so I'll pass on this one.

    - Use a font that is easy to read and makes it easy to distinguish all punctuation symbols. I know there's not a lot of choice in monospaced fonts, but who wants to read code in copperplate anyway?

    - Use an OS that displays text with proper anti-aliasing. Since I switched to Mac, I no longer have headaches from looking at code all day long. Microsoft's anti-aliasing makes the text too sharp, and Mac OS X makes the text softer and easier to read.

    Now, I already know that I'm going to get "text on Mac OS X looks blurry, not soft" replies, but here's the thing: pick up a printed book. Does the text look more like something displayed by Mac OS X or by Windows?

    No matter which font you use on Windows, it looks like a "computer font" because the letters are hammered into the sub-pixels. It doesn't look right and that makes it harder to read.

    1. Re:Color scheme, LCD quality, OS by toddhisattva · · Score: 1

      I'm going to get "text on Mac OS X looks blurry, not soft" replies

      Some people have grown up reading text set in fonts chosen and rendered by Microsoft.

      For instance, that horrible font they used for the address field in Internet Explorer, the one in the 90s TV commercials "log on to our web page" shots. Good grief, having that font blown up on a large screen TV really shows how awful it is!

      Jaggies everywhere.

      And that is what some people have grown up with. Their brains have grown - literally - accustomed to interpreting the jaggies similarly to serifs.

      When exposed to well-rendered text, these unfortunates are without the "serifian" hinting that their brains expect.

      So if the "S" glyph does not have corners, it will look blurry to them.

      Being an ex-Linotype user, I have always been a fan of how the Mac renders fonts in a very print-like fashion. But not such a fanboy as to excuse the use of Chicago font in advertising good grief.

      And with Microsoft, it's not so much their font rendering technology as their horrible font choices!

  47. Black on ligth grey by renoX · · Score: 1

    For what it's worth, here's my personal preferences:
    - a LCD is much better.
    - I found that black on light grey is the most pleasant combination for me.

    1. Re:Black on ligth grey by T3Tech · · Score: 1

      I'll add a larger LCD is much better. A ~1600x~1000 resolution works alot better on a ~22" LCD than it does on a 17-19" CRT. :)

      Though I like the old green on black in general, it will start to get blurry on me after a while. I've also been using (mostly) black on light grey since I started using Eclipse for the majority of the coding I do. When I do use vim it's still with the default color scheme, maybe just because I'm used to it, and I usually open it up on the CRT though I've bumped the font size up. Anyway, the white background I find gets annoying to look at sooner now than I recall it being before.
      Kinda like /. - but maybe that has more to do with content than color scheme. :)

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  48. colorscheme evening by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    colorscheme evening

  49. Color schemes of years past.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When I was young and Had an Atari ST, my mother was in school and she worked as a technical writer. So she was constantly using WordPerfect and other word processors. She also had a degree in interior design and has a great nack for colors.

    She came up with one that worked great, and I still use it to this day. Takes about a day to get use to if your not using it all the time.

    Medium blue background with Dark Blue text. I know, its strange, but once you get use to it, you can scan the entire page quickly, and your reading speed will increase.

    However today, I've gone to a light grey/blue tint background (121234, or 232334) with White or Light Grey base text with color syntax. Works well for me.

    Also, Refresh rate is much more important than colors (unless your in the 15% of people who have color deficiencies, oddly, not many geeks have this issue) You see, your eyes see at about 61-70hz (some people higher, some slower, but thats about the average) So you'll need to change your refresh rate to ABOVE what you see. (85hz is always a good choice) That change, regardless of color will assist in viewing your screen for hours at a time and improve your eyes, as well as preventing you from going blind eariler, or having damaged eyes.

    And.. MOST important, Stay away from CRTS! They can become blurry with age, and you wont notice it at first. But it WILL damage your eyes and will take YEARS to recover. (I finally got rid of my blurred CRT about 4 years ago, and my eyes are slowly getting back to normal, Id say im about 75% of my original clarity, and its coming back every day)

    Also, as I write this, Im seeing a comment above me named "Text dark, background bright" and hes right. That works as well.

  50. what i like is by FudRucker · · Score: 1

    White text with colored syntax highlighting on a black background, black = #000000 meaning all those pixels that are black are turned off, this not only seems easier on my eyes it is not radiating unnecessary light in most of the screen...

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  51. Re:Glasses - agreed by petes_PoV · · Score: 1
    Yes that's my thought, too.

    I'm not a doctor, but I do recognise the symptoms of eye-strain and general stress as they affected me. Basically, either you're overdoing it or there are other environmental factors such as reflections that I'd say are the cause.

    Ain't none of us getting any younger - but we can help to slow down the degradation. See an eye-doctor, take a look at where you do your work and take a break every 20 minutes or so.

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  52. Make the investment by linzeal · · Score: 1

    Agreed, anyone that makes their money in front a monitor should be investing at least 400 dollars on a reasonably high quality model. Apple is junk for the money, you can get the same specs for less than half the price. What the extra 100 or 200 bucks buy you is better power circuitry, cathode ray tubes/LEDs and electronics. Any one of those things will makes a noticeable improvement in long term usage and durability. Cheap cathode ray tubes or their ballasts are what makes the monitor stop working a lot of the time. There is a reason my at the time almost 2000 dollar 21" SGI/Trinitron monitor lasted 10 years and I have not had a single LCD last more than 4. Of course I paid less than 600 dollars for my current center monitor, high end but not top of the line from Samsung about 6 months ago. Looks like it is only about 400 bucks now. Well worth the investment a had a cheap 500:1, 100 ms monitor that was unusable for anything besides web surfing and it is now on my left side running my Linux media server and displaying my 100's of RSS feeds.

    1. Re:Make the investment by WeeLad · · Score: 1

      Also, looking away for short periods now and then is a good idea, regardless of the quality of the monitor. Stare at the ceiling for a minute, roll your eyes (good for practicing my sarcasm), or just keep them closed. If I have to generate a fairly blah piece of code or write an email to management, I'll do it with my eyes closed and then make a proof-reading sweep afterward to clean up my mistakes. I've already spent quite a bit of my lifetime staring into computer screens; I don't look forward to the possibility of my eyes conking out in my later years.

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    2. Re:Make the investment by MonkeySpank · · Score: 1

      Apple is junk for the money, you can get the same specs for less than half the price. What the extra 100 or 200 bucks buy you is better power circuitry, cathode ray tubes/LEDs and electronics.

      I beg to differ. Apple uses S-IPS panels in its Cinema displays and there is a world of difference between an IPS panel and a TN panel (the one used by your entry-level Samsung T220). If you shop around for IPS panels you'll find that Apple's displays are pretty good value, especially considering there are USB and FireWire hubs built into them.

  53. various by br00tus · · Score: 1

    If you fluorescent lights over you, consider wearing a trucker's cap or the like. Put a few inches between you and the monitor. Change the OS background to a dark color like black. Put an anti-glare screen on your monitor. Look away from your monitor once in a while - if you forget to do this, a program like xwrits can help (yes, xwrits, not xwrist).

  54. Pansies! by R2.0 · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Green on black, 80 columns.

    Now get off my lawn!

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  55. Visual Studio Color Schemes by slapout · · Score: 1

    Here's a blog with Visual Studio color schemes:
    http://www.winterdom.com/weblog/CategoryView,category,VS%2BColor%2BScheme.aspx

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  56. Problem with Monitor ? by devilsandy · · Score: 1

    At my new job, the computer had a KDS 17" Flat CRT monitor. Within couple of days I noticed my eyes would hurt by the end of the day and sometime water too. After observing I saw the image displayed on the monitor would shake by small amounts continuously, once I replaced it with a NEC LCD the problem was gone. I noticed similar thing with my mini-itx connected to my LCD HDTV ( using VGA port). Try a different monitor AND/OR a different CPU.

  57. NASA did this decades ago by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And it's the default color scheme found on a popular computer back in its day. I'll give you some clues. The fans are rabid but nothing as bad as apple's, the name pops up every now and then, or there's talk of the new OS coming out (and it isn't BeOS), even though most people want it to die, particularly apple weenies it would seem. You haven't been able to buy one for a number of years.

    It had great games, was used to produce Babylon 5 with a massive render farm of about 20 machines.

    Agnus and Denise could be found inside.

  58. The best VIM color scheme... by mario_grgic · · Score: 1

    is desert. It has pleasant mild colors and it distinguishes (by color obviously) between a lot of text objects that other color schemes ignore and paint with the same color.

    If you are on Mac and use MacVim you can also make the GUI window transparent (15% works the best) and coupled with blueish wallpaper (like blueberries) works really well.

    If you use terminal version of VIM then the number of colors is limited, but I find desert works best in this case as well.

    Also, if you don't already have it, try Bitstream Vera Sans Mono font. I believe it is the default system mono font in Linux terminals (at least it is in Fedora Core) and it is very readable and easy on the eyes.

    On Windows I also use Consolas and Courier New. But Bitstream works well there too.

     

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    1. Re:The best VIM color scheme... by bozolino · · Score: 1

      I agree with mario_grgic. Bitstream Vera Sans Mono is very readable and good for coding. High contrast colorschemes and bad quality LCDs are the worst combination for programming. I wrote a Vim colorscheme (dante) wich I use since 2002. Desert and zenburn are also very good options.

  59. a scientific study by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://hubel.sfasu.edu/research/Oxford.html

    1. Re:a scientific study by mr_mischief · · Score: 1

      ...and as a link http://hubel.sfasu.edu/research/Oxford.html...

      It's a study from some folks at Stephen F. Austin University. They studied average time elapsed to find and process a particular piece of information on a screen rather than the strain it produced. Making information easier to see may clearly speed productivity, which is a good thing.

      They also studied textured vs. plain backgrounds besides three different colors of background (gray, blue, yellow). The most important sentence in the synopsis would appear to be:

      In general, the plain backgrounds led to faster search times than did the medium-textured backgrounds, and the blue backgrounds led to slower and more variable search times than the grey or yellow backgrounds.

      Hopefully we don't find that the fastest color scheme is the worst on the eyes. Also, it's worth noting that they don't appear to change the foreground color, so these results may have to do with the combination of colors as much as the background colors by themselves.

      Note: I'm not the AC that posted the URL. I'm just expanding on what was already there.

  60. White on blue by huge · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Ages ago when I was using Borland IDEs I got used to the blue background with white text and I still prefer that over anything else.

    To be precise Borland default color scheme was yellow on blue, which I couldn't stand, but with white text it's actually pretty good.

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    1. Re:White on blue by Prof.Phreak · · Score: 1

      I second that. Also thanks to Borland :-)

      Though I generally go for grayer white and darker blue.

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    2. Re:White on blue by zapakh · · Score: 1

      Ages ago when I was using Borland IDEs I got used to the blue background with white text and I still prefer that over anything else.

      I tried that once, but I came down with an unbearable urge to play Zork.

    3. Re:White on blue by Gefion · · Score: 1

      Also, as I recall, it was either white on blue or yellow on blue from WordPerfect in the late 80's. Avoid standard fluorescent light like the plague. From best ambient light to worst (based on on Oxford University study a while back that blew my mind): indirect sunlight, incandescent/halogen, high frequency fluorescent, indirect standard fluorescent, direct standard fluorescent. Not only did the color temp matter, but the frequency of the light mattered more, so 50Hz dramatic pulses, aka standard fluorescent, was the worst case scenario (interfered with the ability of the eye to even track the line of a sentence). This same frequency issue would impact CRT's, not so much LCD's. Mixing 50Hz CRT with 50Hz Fluorescent is like a suicide watch for your eyes... don't try that at home. T.

    4. Re:White on blue by dido · · Score: 1

      Interestingly enough, that's also the color scheme used here...

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  61. Check Your Eyes... by sjanich · · Score: 1

    ...as you get older they change. You may very well need correction for reading.Even if it is slight that will effect monitor viewing. When I reached a certain age it happened to me.

  62. Green & Black by hackus · · Score: 1

    I was raised on it. :-)

    Green, a bright green on a very black background is incredibly easy to read for me.

    A close tie for second is yellow on black and orange on black.

    -Hack

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  63. Change the schemes frequently by Tsu+Dho+Nimh · · Score: 1
    One critical point is that ANY color scheme will fatigue your eyes if you constantly use it.

    Set up several schemes, with a pale background, not white. Use DARK shades of color-coded text, not glaring primaries. Rotate the backgrounds frequently.

    Set the screen contrast down until you have a no-glare effect. Turn the brightness down and up a bit (no way to script that) periodically.

    If you have flourescent lighting in the office, use one low-watt incandescent or LED bulb for screen lighting. It cancels out the flicker from the flourescents.

    TAKE BREAKS! And don't play games on the breaks.

  64. Probable causes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your headache is probably coming from eye strain. You can do a few things to relieve this or some combination that suits you. It's probably not colors unless you use pink on red...

    * Get a better, clearer monitor.
    * Use bigger fonts and put the monitor a bit farther away.
    * Use reading glasses to take the strain of focusing up close away. If you already wear glasses, and are near sighted consider a separate weaker pair for up close work. Far sighted, possibly a stronger pair.
    * Take breaks, focus on something in the distance - preferably out a window, periodically.
    * Let your eyes relax occasionally, they tend to want to go out of focus slightly and stare out into space for a brief period of time on occasion. Especially during periods of intense focusing (reading and coding fits the bill). Let them do this, it's a relaxed state and allows them to rest.

    Essentially this is a warning sign that you are being too hard on your eyes. If you continue, you will likely go near sighted or more near sighted as your body seeks to reduce the strain by altering your permanent state.

  65. Eclipse / Aptana / RadRails by slashflood · · Score: 1

    For those of you interested in a dark color scheme for Eclipse/Aptana/RadRails (for Ruby on Rails development), here it is. Another one can be found here.

  66. Hot Dog by alephnull42 · · Score: 1

    Go witness the awesomeness of the "Hot Dog Stand" scheme of Windows 3.1 in all it's glory. http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/000341.html On windows, I tend set the default background color to a light gray instead of white, gives everything a Unixy feel and is less strain on the eyes, although the effect may be psychological rather than physical since the advent of TFT. Obviously, this only applies to apps, most websites override this (this /. edit window is grey, but the posts are on white Background)

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  67. white on blue by TheSHAD0W · · Score: 1

    White text on a blue background worked really well for me.

  68. Are you programming in a poorly lit area? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    /. ran an article once saying the reason people get eye burning can be attributed to poor lighting. Specifically the monitor being the only major light source in the room - it causes your eyes to be constantly refocusing trying to determine depth of things other than the monitor but it can't due to lack of lighting. So it's a good idea if you hate overhead lights to have a light source behind your monitor (or TV screen for late night viewing).

  69. Dark Blue background w/ Off-White text by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This has been shown in past studies as least eye strain.

    I think classic White background w/ Black text though is still the overall best because of the contrast.

  70. Yelow on Blue, look at the old monitor designs by Cassini2 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The old color schemes were well researched. When people were paying $100,000's on their mainframes, they wanted monitors that worked well for their operators. The productivity of the mainframe depended on it. This resulted in many of the old monitors being amber on black or green on black rather than the easier to build white on black monitors.

    For color monitors, the white on blue and yellow on blue schemes are the best. Black on white isn't bad; it has the virtue of being high contrast. White on black is still one of the worst color schemes. I never got a good explanation of why black on white is good (think original Apple Mac), vs. white on black is bad (original IBM CGA).

    Resolution and refresh rate are also important. Generally, rendering the same number of characters at a higher resolution is easier on the eyes. Thus, the original IBM PC Hercules monochrome card is a much nicer screen to program on than the original IBM PC CGA video card. It wasn't until VGA that the color resolution on the IBM PC was as good as the monochrome resolution, and people started switching in a broad way to color only displays.

    Finally, look at purchasing a pair of glasses. Even if you have "borderline" vision, like I do, they may ease eye fatigue. At first, they will probably bother you, until you get used to using them.

    1. Re:Yelow on Blue, look at the old monitor designs by Ihlosi · · Score: 5, Informative
      I never got a good explanation of why black on white is good (think original Apple Mac), vs. white on black is bad (original IBM CGA).

      You'll get it now: Depth of focus. Bright-on-dark results in a darker screen overall than dark-on-bright. This means that your pupils will open wider (to let more light in), which results in a smaller depth of focus (optics 101, ask anyone whose hobby is photography). And this, in turn, means that your eye has to re-focus more often.

    2. Re:Yelow on Blue, look at the old monitor designs by nwf · · Score: 1
      Perhaps white on black is "bad", but I prefer it for terminal / command line based work. I'm not sure why. Perhaps it's all those years working on an Apple //e or maybe using a Wyse terminal in school. I can't focus on a purely white screen for very long periods of time, but I have problem with a dark screen. Actually, I tend to use off-white text, but it's rather close to white.

      As for depth of field, in a reasonably bright room, unless you move your head a lot, I can't see that being much of an issue. (Pun intended.)

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    3. Re:Yelow on Blue, look at the old monitor designs by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

      My first dos box had a combined Hurcules/CGA card, and IIRC turbo Pascal had an editor that defaulted to yellow (or was it white?) on blue when in CGA mode. It was much better than my previous setup that had consisted of an Apple II hooked to a TV via a video recorder. For example, I didn't have to fight the wife for access to the TV.

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    4. Re:Yelow on Blue, look at the old monitor designs by michael_cain · · Score: 1
      I never got a good explanation of why black on white is good (think original Apple Mac), vs. white on black is bad (original IBM CGA).

      One of the reasons was that in many cases, people were working with paper and the computer screen simultaneously. Jumping visually back and forth from black-on-white to white-on-black is a recognized significant source of eye strain.

    5. Re:Yelow on Blue, look at the old monitor designs by andy19 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Focusing only occurs when the distance between you and the subject changes, right? At least that's how it's done in photography. I don't know too many people who move back and forth much when sitting at a computer coding...unless, like mentioned above, you're coding in a rave.

    6. Re:Yelow on Blue, look at the old monitor designs by Magada · · Score: 1

      Amber on black is THE solution for spending countless hours at a stretch in front of your monitor.

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    7. Re:Yelow on Blue, look at the old monitor designs by MrEd · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I've done some industrial control room display design, where the client still wants things to be easy for the operators. The consensus among human factors professionals is that a light gray background is best (similar to the slashdot color scheme around this comment box). Why?

      - To match the screen luminance to your surroundings. Monitors showing black backgrounds will more harshly reflect the ambient light, resulting in annoying glare (unless you work in a pitch black room). The lower the ambient light level in your workspace, the darker your gray.

      - To allow the greatest range of text colors with acceptable contrast. For example, try reading yellow on a white background. Using gray gives you the option to transmit a lot of color information while keeping an even contrast. The key, again, is to choose text colors that are not "pure" from the MSPaint palette, but instead are pastel-ized enough to have equivalent contrast on your grey background of choice.

      The combination of these two should result in a fairly even constrast throughout your workspace. The goal is to minimize the light correction your eye has to perform when you look from the screen to your surroundings, and when navigating around through different parts of your code.

      If there are elements of your work (like BUGBUG in code) that you want your color scheme to draw to your attention, a grey background also lets you choose a more saturated, salient color to really punch up the attention-grabbing factor.

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    8. Re:Yelow on Blue, look at the old monitor designs by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Actually, "white" monitors weren't as easy to manufacture, because it involved a mix of various phosphors to re-create the white colour, whereas monochrome (green, amber) did not have this problem.

    9. Re:Yelow on Blue, look at the old monitor designs by mdfst13 · · Score: 3, Informative

      I don't know too many people who move back and forth much when sitting at a computer coding...unless, like mentioned above, you're coding in a rave.

      Yes, but you look at different parts of the screen, which are different distances from your eyes. Incidentally, wikipedia suggests that the term should be "depth of field" rather than "depth of focus". Depth of field refers to the amount of the image that is in focus without refocusing; depth of focus would be the distance between lens and retina.

    10. Re:Yelow on Blue, look at the old monitor designs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And this, in turn, means that your eye has to re-focus more often.

      This may be true but I switched to black background with varying colors for text about a year ago and my eyes are much more relaxed while I code.

    11. Re:Yelow on Blue, look at the old monitor designs by Danse · · Score: 1

      I've been using a light gray background for a few months now, and I think it helps quite a bit. I work in a shared space, so I can't do much about the lighting in here (fluorescents, and fairly bright), so I switched my background to the darker color. It is easier to look at for longer periods of time than a white background. Even works well when the others are gone and I can shut off the lights.

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    12. Re:Yelow on Blue, look at the old monitor designs by Bonobo_Unknown · · Score: 3, Funny

      I bop away like stevie wonder when I code

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    13. Re:Yelow on Blue, look at the old monitor designs by DeadCatX2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      While quite insightful, I think that would only apply if the monitor was the primary source of ambient light. In a properly lit room, the pupil size should only be very loosely correlated with screen brightness.

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    14. Re:Yelow on Blue, look at the old monitor designs by PhilTheRed · · Score: 0

      That's also why it's hard to follow the puck when watching hockey on TV (for the few of us that actually do that). Small black dot on large white surface...

    15. Re:Yelow on Blue, look at the old monitor designs by value_added · · Score: 1

      The key, again, is to choose text colors that are not "pure" from the MSPaint palette, but instead are pastel-ized enough to have equivalent contrast on your grey background of choice.

      This is the first time I've seen someone make this comment. Every time I see a screenshot of someone's terminal that makes use of pure colours, I have trouble deciding whether the person is colour-blind, wears plaid trousers, or requires the extreme/gaudy contrast to make up for really bad vision.

      The problem with toning down the colours is you get into an area where art students are comfortable but everyone else stumbles, typically with less than satisfactory results. Learning colour theory would help, of course. But still, coming up with a palette of a half-dozen or dozen colours requires effort, time and some talent. Hell, picking two or three colours to paint the exterior of a house without relying on the paint manufacturer's set of pre-prepared palettes can be a challenge for many. And that's before you decide on whether or not you even like those colours.

      Vim users are fairly lucky in that a good many people have already expended the time and effort to design colour schemes. That's assuming you're not fussy, and the scheme renders identically on your work LCD, your laptop and every other monitor you use, and that the ambient light conditions in all environments are similarly consistent.

    16. Re:Yelow on Blue, look at the old monitor designs by andy19 · · Score: 1

      Yes, but you look at different parts of the screen, which are different distances from your eyes.

      True, but is the difference in distance so great that your eye needs to refocus much to make a difference (if at all)? I'm no biologist, so I don't know what the effects on the eye are, but it doesn't seem like it would make much difference. Most people don't have 24" screens at 3600x2700 resolutions, so coding windows aren't monsterous.
      Also, in this case the retina would be the lens ;)

    17. Re:Yelow on Blue, look at the old monitor designs by DeadCatX2 · · Score: 1

      This makes sense. If you look at this random website with a graph of spectral sensitivity of the eye's cones and rods vs. wavelength you can see that blue sensitivity is broad, while red and green sensitivity are more narrow. Red and green are also much closer to each other, and far away from blue sensitivity, with rods somewhere between blue and green but closer to green.

      So, the blue light strongly activates the blue cones, and not much else. The yellow light activates the rods, green cones, and red cones, while not activating blue cones very much.

      The background activates only one cone, and the text activates two other cones and a rod. Seems like a good recipe for nice, high contrast.

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    18. Re:Yelow on Blue, look at the old monitor designs by Ed+Avis · · Score: 1

      White on black was good because of flicker. If a flickering monitor gives you a headache it will be worse the brighter the display. A white screen is the brightest possible and the worst for flicker. A black screen (provided you adjust the brightness on your monitor so black means no visible difference from switched off) produces no flicker. A black screen with some white letters minimizes the flicker while still letting you clearly distinguish text.

      Black on white looks like a printed page so it's good for WYSIWYG, but a monitor is not a printed page.

      Nowadays LCDs don't flicker, at least not that I can notice. But I still find white on black clear to read and stick with it out of habit.

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    19. Re:Yelow on Blue, look at the old monitor designs by fm6 · · Score: 1

      Finally, look at purchasing a pair of glasses. Even if you have "borderline" vision, like I do, they may ease eye fatigue. At first, they will probably bother you, until you get used to using them.

      Sound advice, but something you need to do through an optometrist. (I think you meant that, but it needs to be spelled out, since "reading glasses" are available without a prescription.) Even if you don't need glasses for most things, a good optometrist can prescribe glasses that will make using a computer a lot less straining. They'll also give you advice on arranging your workspace.

      Some optometrists try to cater to computer users with something called "task glasses", which help you precisely focus on your monitor. I'm guessing these work fine for people like key-entry operators who spend all day staring at their monitors. But my experience with them is negative, because as soon as I look away from my monitor and try to read a piece of paper on my desk, they become useless.

    20. Re:Yelow on Blue, look at the old monitor designs by Maltheus · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Actually, my understanding was that the cones receptive to blue colors are on the periphery of our retinas and that the reds and green cones (red and green mixing to max yellow) are more towards the center of the eye. This makes blues more suited to being background colors (probably evolving from our constant exposure to a blue sky) and yellow more suited to being a foreground color.

    21. Re:Yelow on Blue, look at the old monitor designs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would also add, RMS error from your cornea with dilated pupils (imperfections that add up as more surface area is required) As somebody who underwent LASIK, I suffer some of the effects of loss of contrast sensitivity when my pupils dilate. The cause is error from using more of your cornea's surface area to focus. A cornea that has been treated has more error near the edges, and this can result in mild to severe ghosting when reading white over black.

      But even people who have never been treated with LASIK can experience these effects, to a lesser extent, especially those with unusually large pupils.

      So, in short, there are many reasons why the smaller your pupils get, the better you can focus and the more detail you can see.

    22. Re:Yelow on Blue, look at the old monitor designs by matth · · Score: 1

      Is that what you intended to say? The way I read that you said that Bright-on-Dark (e.g. white text on dark background) means your eye has to re-focus more often. Is that really a good thing? Or did I mis-understand?

    23. Re:Yelow on Blue, look at the old monitor designs by FlatWhatson · · Score: 1

      I thought I was the only one!

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    24. Re:Yelow on Blue, look at the old monitor designs by mdfst13 · · Score: 1

      Also, in this case the retina would be the lens ;)

      No, the lens is the part in the front of the eye that lets light into the eye. The retina is the part in the back of the eye that converts light into nerve impulses. Picture of the human eye.

      If you look at the depth of field link, it talks about a camera. The lens of the camera is the equivalent of the lens of the eye; the aperture is the pupil; the shutter is the iris; the retina is the film.

    25. Re:Yelow on Blue, look at the old monitor designs by toddestan · · Score: 1

      For color monitors, the white on blue and yellow on blue schemes are the best.

      I've never understood that. White on blue is what we got back in grade school on the Apple IIgs computers they had, and I hated it then. Blue is hard color to focus on, and the white text doesn't help, nor did the quality of the screens Apple used back then. Eventually, I noticed that the older computers in the lab had the green on black monochrome screens, so I used those whenever I wasn't playing MECC games.

      Nowadays, I prefer light on dark at home where I control the lighting (dim), and dark on grey at work where I don't control the lighting (bright).

    26. Re:Yelow on Blue, look at the old monitor designs by elander · · Score: 1

      As for old color schemes being well researched; the green on black scheme has been proved to cause PERMANENT damage to your color vision. The resulting damage will cause any pattern of white vertical stripes with the same angular frequency as the vertical strokes of the letters on your screen to look pink. Not serious for most of us, just weird. White picket fences will look pink if viewed from the "right" distance, but white if you move away or closer.

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    27. Re:Yelow on Blue, look at the old monitor designs by GWBasic · · Score: 1

      I never got a good explanation of why black on white is good (think original Apple Mac), vs. white on black is bad (original IBM CGA). You'll get it now: Depth of focus. Bright-on-dark results in a darker screen overall than dark-on-bright. This means that your pupils will open wider (to let more light in), which results in a smaller depth of focus (optics 101, ask anyone whose hobby is photography). And this, in turn, means that your eye has to re-focus more often.

      Furthermore, the white text ghosts itself a bit in my neurons, causing me to see vertical lines. It makes it very difficult to read when I'm essentially seeing spots.

      The odd thing is I never have that problem when I run text mode in full screen...

    28. Re:Yelow on Blue, look at the old monitor designs by etwills · · Score: 1

      I never got a good explanation of why black on white is good (think original Apple Mac), vs. white on black is bad (original IBM CGA).

      I'd have thought both have their respective advantages. When I code, I don't want the other windows on the screen to be a distraction; when I'm taking a break to check on email, I don't care whether this is the case. I have light-on-dark for the former, and dark-on-light for the latter - and Ihlosi's depth-of-focus explanation supports why it is I find this works ... and maybe switching between the two helps eliminate strain over the day as well.

    29. Re:Yelow on Blue, look at the old monitor designs by orasio · · Score: 1

      Yes, but you look at different parts of the screen, which are different distances from your eyes.

      True, but is the difference in distance so great that your eye needs to refocus much to make a difference (if at all)?

      Yes.
      You don't notice it much, but that is what causes eye strain, the eye constantly refocusing.

    30. Re:Yelow on Blue, look at the old monitor designs by orasio · · Score: 1

      That's also why it's hard to follow the puck when watching hockey on TV (for the few of us that actually do that). Small black dot on large white surface...

      You didn't need to clarify there were few of you. Slashdot is all about accepting other people differences.
      Sport challenged people have the same rights as any other people. Anyway, some time you will wake up from that bad dream and start watching football like everybody else in the world (that's Association Football for the linguistically challenged, too).

    31. Re:Yelow on Blue, look at the old monitor designs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yellow on (darker) Blue is a scheme that I have used a lot while programming on an AMSTRAD CPC 6128 and I have to admit it is the best I have ever experienced. Very appropriate in many lighting conditions. I also recommend some light *behind* your screen (ideally falling on the wall) which will help your eyes adjust nice even after many hours of being on the screen.

  71. Was using camo, will try ws_yellow by digitalextremist · · Score: 1

    This thread was useful to me -- all hail vim!

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  72. It's personal by rael9real · · Score: 1

    Really, I don't think there is any one answer to this particular problem. Personally, white text on a black background makes my eyes get all wonky, so I usually code in a white background with color-coded code. In a terminal session, I usually use a muted green on black, as the green doesn't make my eyes bug out. But plenty of other people seem to have no problem with white text on a black background, and even prefer it. So basically, try a few and see what works best for you.

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  73. More than colours ... but maybe simple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Preferences for colours is very personal. Plain black on white is fine for me. I've seen some people who prefer bizarre combinations (purple on black! EWWW!).

    However, in my experience the symptoms you are describing are pretty normal for long periods of time staring at the screen. The type of work I do involves long hours of staring at the screen doing data interpretation, sometimes all day, and if I do too long a session of it at once I get headaches and a feeling of abrasion on my eyes that sounds rather similar. Same if I was using a microscope for hours at a time, especially if it wasn't properly adjusted for my eyes. It used to be really bad, and the curse was that I *needed* to keep using my eyes to get my job done.

    The cure back when I first encountered these symptoms a couple of decades ago was darned simple for me: take regular breaks by getting up and walking around. They don't have to be long -- 5 minutes max -- but if I do it every hour or so I can go much longer in total. If, however, I push the limit too hard, to the point I get the symptoms you are describing, there's no going back -- I've messed it up for the rest of the day and only a good night's sleep will fix it. I've found that Tylenol or the usual headache medication doesn't do much for it either. I'm suffering for the rest of the day. So, it's important to notice whether I'm starting to feel any hint of a problem and do something about it immediately by taking a break, rather than waiting for "just another half an hour".

    Take breaks. Common sense, really, but if you are deeply into the work it is hard to break off from your concentration. If you have to, set up a timer and stick to it. There are many programs. Keep shortening the intervals between breaks until you find a level that gets the results you need (say, an 8-hour or 12-hour day of it).

    If that doesn't help at all then I'd recommend seeing a doctor or eye specialist. You may need glasses or an adjustment to them if you have them already. Or there might be something more serious going on. But don't be alarmed. Even with good eyesight and health, staring too long at the screen will have the effect you describe, and I've had perfect eyesight for most of my life.

    Obviously I'm not offering medical advice, just my personal experience with symptoms that sound rather familiar. Seek a professional if you want real advice.

    And, heck, go ahead and fiddle with the colours, but it may not do much if colour isn't the problem. Take an experimental approach and try everything.

  74. dw_yellow I mean by digitalextremist · · Score: 1

    Rather, dw_yellow --

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  75. (Dark) green for foreground... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...and light yellow for background maybe?

    http://metalinkltd.com/?p=91

  76. NO! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Modding him redundant would be a disservice to the article, we'd like to find a consensus on the subject. That means some people will enviably suggest the same thing. Duh!

  77. Angry fruit salad by wandazulu · · Score: 1

    I'm a huge proponent of *lots* of colors; I try very hard to never reuse a color, and over the years I've always stuck with certain colors for certain things (strings are always red, numbers always blue, etc) regardless of language. On top of that, the background is *always* black, no exceptions.

    I've found that the multi-color aspect, combined with the black background, makes it very easy to work with as the colors create "patches" of code that makes it easy to scroll through and remember. For example, if some part of your code involves a lot of strings, there will be a blob of red (in my case) that makes it easy to zoom to when getting somewhere in the file. I also then use that as a "sign post" for other parts of the code ("The problem is in the function right below the red blob"). Basic pattern recognition, I guess.

  78. It's not the colors by andy1307 · · Score: 1

    If your eyes are burning, it's because you need vision correction. If you already wear glasses or contacts, you need to get your number re-evaluated. I had this problem before I had lasik. Now my vision was 16/20(they overcorrect) and I've never had that problem since. Ambient light may play a part too.

    1. Re:It's not the colors by gsking1 · · Score: 1

      Agreed. Get your vision checked and get some glasses. I wear glasses now and am amazed how much it helped for such a minor correction. They are made for the distance for reading/computer/piano work. I thought I could see just fine before, but a minor correction really helped on long days. I also like green on black.

  79. There's been a great deal of research on this... by Simon+Brooke · · Score: 1

    Which is why we used to have green and amber screen monitors, before the days of colour.

    Red or amber on black is best for human eyes, followed by green on black. Black on white is very nearly the worst possible combination.

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  80. light grey text on very dark grey bg by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There is no general rule because the choice is very subjective, but usually avoiding pure colors (colors with FFs and 00s) will help. By experience you will find that the best red, green and blue will never be FF0000, 00FF00 and 0000FF.
    This also applies to highlighting. The transition between two or more colors should allow easy recognition (ie, a highlighted reserved word compared to the rest of the line and the background) while being gentle to the eyes.

  81. And all this is irrelevant... by mdm-adph · · Score: 1

    ...if you have to use an IDE that doesn't allow custom text/background colors.

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  82. Try some other things first by neuromancer23 · · Score: 1

    The number one health problem in the United States today (after the toxins in vaccines) is fluoride lighting. Chances are that your headaches are probably caused by the flicker and abysmal spectrum of light that they emit. Unfortunately, LCDs these days operate off fluoride.

    Change your habits:

    1. Try to work in natural sunlight if possible or at least get outside several times a day to get some sunlight to counteract the damage that is being done by the fluoride.
    2. Prefer incandescent bulbs to fluoride bulbs. They are better for you, and when they are disposed of, they don't leak toxic waste back into the environment like fluorescent bulbs do.
    3. Correct your posture. Good vision begins with good breathing and proper circulation.
    4. Correct your diet. Make sure you get some bilberry, lutien, and b vitamins.
    5. Spend more time in an alpha brainwave state instead of a beta.
    6. Pick up some programs for improving your vision and maintaining good eye health. These are the best ones I have found:

    http://www.bettervision.com/

    7. Inform others about proper eye health and fight the international fluoride conspiracy. Your grandchildren will thank you.

    If you do these things you will find that not only will you feel better, but your vision will return to 20/20 (or better) and you won't need glasses anymore either.

    1. Re:Try some other things first by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And did you know that fluoridation of our drinking water is at the center of the communist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids?

    2. Re:Try some other things first by neuromancer23 · · Score: 1

      Yawn... I saw that movie too. Maybe you should watch this one:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3y8uwtxrHo

  83. Green on Black by pcguru19 · · Score: 1

    I'll sound like the grumpy old man, but what's wrong with green text and a black background? I've used it for years and the voices in my head haven't complained once about it.

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  84. Black on white by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The only color scheme that does not hurt my eyes is black on white. I don't really have a problem reading code like that.

  85. Mac OS X font is blurry... by mario_grgic · · Score: 1, Insightful

    their idea of text smoothing is to apply Gaussian blur to it and smudge it a bit. They do not use advanced manipulation like clear type does.

    Clear type plays with the individual RGB levels to effectively triple the resolution available. Typical LCD screen these days has about 101 DPI, so even with clear type you end up with fonts that look as good (or as bad) as 300 DPI laser prints.

    Anything less than 600 DPI (which even the cheapest laser printers give you these days) is considered pretty bad resolution. I would not print my resume at anything less than 1600 DPI.

    I often hear the argument how the Mac OS X fonts are rendered on screen as they will be printed and how they are optimized for desktop publishing. But this is just a bogus argument and misdirection.

    What does reading slashdot in your browser have to do with desktop publishing? Or writing your code.

    A desktop publishing application is still free to render its fonts the way it wants to and the way it is appropriate for the application, just like for example Photoshop can render images on screen as they will be printed on paper, not only matching the specific printer profile but also matching the specific paper for that printer.

    I know a lot of Mac users are in denial about fonts on Mac, but the first step towards solving the problem is admitting there is a problem.

    Microsoft has offered a solution with clear type, which is currently the best solution on the market, and others are free to improve it and make it better. I wish more users would demand this from apple rather than ignoring the problem.

    And by the way I use Mac Pro at home, and like it in every way, except for the font rendering. Even Linux is better in this regard.

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    1. Re:Mac OS X font is blurry... by GrahamCox · · Score: 2, Informative

      their idea of text smoothing is to apply Gaussian blur to it and smudge it a bit. They do not use advanced manipulation like clear type does

      LOL!! Incorrect. The Mac uses subpixel anti-aliasing just as ClearType does, but it uses a slightly different hinting algorithm. Of the two, the Apple way is probably better subjectively for most people. More info here: Font smoothing, anti-aliasing, and sub-pixel rendering and here: Texts Rasterization Exposures

    2. Re:Mac OS X font is blurry... by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

      Don't waste your time. He takes the time to talk about printing, laser DPI, Photoshop and even say he's using a Mac Pro, but he also thinks that Mac OS X "applies a Gaussian blur and smudge" fonts, when in fact Mac OS X also has sub-pixel font rendering.

    3. Re:Mac OS X font is blurry... by mario_grgic · · Score: 1

      So what if OS X does sub-pixel anit-aliasing (which it does)? The end result is that font looks less readable and blurry (esp. black text on white background). I love my mac otherwise, I love the OS (it's UNIX after all), but text rendering is not its forte. Open your terminal (I use the Pro scheme) and turn on font aliasing and use the default Monaco 10pt font. Open a man page: man man for example and look at the letters "m". It is completely blurred and you can't make it out at all.

      It's better when I use Bitstream Vera Sans Mono 12pt, but "g" doesn't look that pretty there either.

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    4. Re:Mac OS X font is blurry... by toddestan · · Score: 2, Insightful

      At least in Windows, you can turn off Cleartype. OSX on a CRT, on the other hand, is a big blurry mess. It's still a blurry mess on a LCD too, but that's just my opinion.

  86. Apparently by ngdbsdmn · · Score: 1

    This just in.

    Apparently, VIM, a 17 year old text editor software with that sexy '70s green-crt look & feel, causes eye strain no matter the color scheme.

    We'll keep you posted as the story develops.

  87. :colorscheme darkblue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've gotten use to the Pro settings (black background with white text) in OS X Terminal along with Antialias text.

    My vimrc has has :colorscheme darkblue. Which I really like when hacking on PHP.

  88. My own experience by hickmott · · Score: 1

    I haven't found any research on it, but I have found two things that help me with eyestrain:

    Set your monitor's color temperature low. I like it around 6000.

    Set your background color to off-white. #FCFCF9 works well for me. A minor change here makes a very big difference.

  89. Screen too bright... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I had the same problem using UltraEdit, it was just too bright. I changed the background to:
    red:255
    green:228
    blue:149
    With black text; I noticed an ease on my eyes immediately.

  90. Burning Eyes = Blink More Often by gr1dl0ck · · Score: 1

    After complaining of the burning eyes thing, I was recently diagnosed with "dry eyes" by an opthamologist. Apparently while using a computer, you tend to blink up to 5 times less often. So regardless of the color of your editor, try to blink more.

    You can also use a product like this, which works great. The site has more on Dry Eyes.

  91. Amber all the way! by jbarr · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I coded for over 10 years using amber DEC VT terminals, and my prescription on my glasses only changed marginally. And much of that coding was done in 132-column mode.

    The important thing to do is to periodically give your eyes a break. Take the time to stop looking at the screen and focus on something distant across the room, office, or out the window. Staring at anything long enough will give you a headache....

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    1. Re:Amber all the way! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seconded. I've been sitting 2 feet from various CRTs and LCDs for over 25 years now and I still have 20:20 vision and rarely get eyestrain or headaches (except from beer).

      I won't sit still for more than an hour. Making tea/coffee, going for a smoke, regular toilet breaks, etc. etc. I definitely recommend a nicotine addiction for this reason (though not for others ...) Unless I'm *really* into some coding I usually take a mini-break every 20 or 30 minutes.

      Also, every time I have the slightest break (e.g. waiting for a compile) I look out of the window or around the room. This must be every 5-10 minutes average.

      And if I ever need to think (which is often) I move away from the computer entirely and work on paper.

      Basically, don't "work" so hard. There's no need to spend hours on end in front of a VDU.

      This also works for backpain, RSI, etc. etc.

      Colours have got little to do with it. I've use black on white, white on black, black on green, green on black, etc. etc. and there's no measurable difference to me because eyestrain just isn't an issue if you take enough breaks.

  92. White on blue by courteaudotbiz · · Score: 1

    I don't know about what gives the least headaches, but I know that what gives me the most headaches is white characters on a blue background...

  93. Simply put by gx5000 · · Score: 1

    It's all subjective...

    But I spend way too mauch time in front of a tube and LCD's...
    Best for me in the last decade has been White text on black backround.
    Rational for this is from the point of view of the Tube.
    I have much less radiation shooting at me from a black (null) backround.
    The only "light" that gets projected at my eye sockets is reduced to the text in white.

    Otherwise, the whole backround (white) gets shot at me by three tube canons...
    after ten hours of this my eyes go funny...
    But with a black backround I can go all day...

    As far as LCD's are concerned, a good quality LCD with great contrast ratio
    has much less light radiation, less eye strain, but I still do the white on black thing.

    Cheers.

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  94. Get your eyes checked by billnapier · · Score: 1

    Get your eyes checked. Seriously. Get to an optometrist and make sure your vision is OK. If the screen is a little out of focus, you could be squinting to compensate for it and not even notice that you are doing it. And that could easily be giving you headaches.

  95. Alll time best (for me) .... by gstoddart · · Score: 1

    For me, black text on a wheat background (#F5DEB3 or #EEDDBB -- "original" and "web safe" according to this).

    I find it has sufficient contrast to make the text visible, and not so much as to hurt the eyes.

    Used it on xterms and the like for well over a decade.

    Cheers

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  96. Re:Amber on Black by Migraineman · · Score: 1

    Gawd, I remember fighting for access to the amber-screen VT-500 series terminals in the computer lab because they were so much easier on the eyes.

  97. Old school by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm pretty sure I read something (back in the heady days of the '80s) that the old green-on-black and amber-on-black monochrome monitors caused the least eyestrain and that anything with a white background would cause more. Not sure how this applies to LCD, but I still code green-on-black when I can.

  98. Dude. Just blink more. by sudog · · Score: 4, Insightful

    My eyes never burn no matter how many 16- and 24-hour sessions.

    1. Re:Dude. Just blink more. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually you can avoid blinking. Just enclose your code in blink tags.

    2. Re:Dude. Just blink more. by haxor.dk · · Score: 1

      After my first 8-hour SimCity session, I didn't really have "burning eyes" problems. I do on occasion have "tired eyes", but that's more a mental phenomenon imo.

    3. Re:Dude. Just blink more. by bythescruff · · Score: 1

      Try taking the goggles off. And don't you tell me they do nothing!

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  99. There are studies. Quite a few of them. by ConcreteOne · · Score: 1

    If you are truly interested, read Norbert Wiener's short and enjoyable book, Cybernetics: Or the Control and Communication in the Animal and the Machine. You will find an entire field and 60 year's worth of studies on interface efficiency (among other things). The people who designed fighter planes in WWII were quite concerned about readability, and this interest has not waned.

  100. Glare often the culprit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Even a small amount of glare confuses the eye as to the proper focal length it needs. Make sure your ambient light is not creating glare or reflections on the screen. The main factors affecting eye strain are the contrast between foreground and background, the sharpness of the image, and glare. Control those and get a pair of glasses that allow your eyes to focus at the correct focal length without strain and correct for any astigmatism and you should find some relief.

  101. Colours, perceptual disruption, and eyestrain by IainMSB · · Score: 1

    There is stacks of fascinating research on ergonomics, visual perception and what colour combinations cause most and least perceptual disruption and eyestrain. For example - and I could be wrong, because this is from memory:

    * The No.1 greatest perceptual disruption is caused by alternating black and yellow.
    * The No.2 is alternating black and white.
    * The No.3 is alternating green and red (or green and light blue) - but it fails on people who are colour blind.

    That is why you can find these contrasts being used very effectively in road markings and chevrons, and warning signs, road direction signs, and as chevrons on emergency vehicles and vehicles that are used in road maintenance.

    It is a historical accident that printed material is customarily black ink on whitish paper. That happens to be the 2nd worst combination and can make our eyes ache.

    The colour combinations for printed material that seem to cause least perceptual disruption and eyestrain are:
    * Black print on light (but not too light) green background.
    * Black print on a lightish grey background.

    I think these "better" colour combinations have been suggested in some of the posts as "preference", but it is not really a matter of preference, it is a matter of the way human visual perception generally operates.

    The "black on black" that one wag here suggested could of course be an excellent eyestrain reducer, but it would seem to defeat the object somewhat. We'd all be in the dark if we did that. ;-)

    1. Re:Colours, perceptual disruption, and eyestrain by IainMSB · · Score: 1

      Just as an aside note to my post, and for what it's worth: other studies in reading speed and comprehension identified that our brains can actually gain sense (comprehension) of what a printed sentence is saying even if we can only see the *top half* of a printed sentence; considerably less comprehension comes from only being able to see the lower half.

      However, comprehension was much improved in both cases when the printed characters had serifs - i.e., as opposed to sans serif fonts.

      The UK AA (Automobile Association) repeated this research post-war, and that was why UK road direction signs - maintained by the AA - were black on white or yellow, printed using serifed fonts. (I think the best was probably Times Roman.)

      Serifed fonts not only enhance comprehension, but by so doing can also enhance our reading speed.

      This would seem to be unpopular or "lost" knowledge nowadays, as we seem to prefer to use sans serif fonts that "look nice" - e.g., Arial, Helvetica, MS Sans Serif. It might seem idiotic to deliberately use printed fonts that can actually reduce our comprehension and reading speed, but, if we have massively irrational brains - as recent research would seem to indicate - then it's probably no surprise really.

  102. Basic suggestions by n5yat · · Score: 1

    1. Try increasing the refresh rate - it may be flicker that's causing the discomfort (http://www.scn.org/help/monitor.html)
    2. I find white on a dark green or dark blue works best. Old fashioned "chalk board" color scheme...

  103. Probably Not Colors by trongey · · Score: 1

    If you have burning eyes with headaches then it's probably allergies. Most likely mold in the furniture or carpets.

    Since you're probably using a LCD you don't have any options on refresh rate so you're stuck there.

    Don't use flourescent lighting. Great for the environment - crap for the eyes. Only very expensive tubes (which your employer won't be using) have a decent color spectrum, and they all flicker at 60Hz. I once had some prescription glasses that filtered out the yucky part of flourescent light. They helped a lot.

    If it actually is the colors then green on black is probably the best choice. In spite of what a bunch of people have said here that combination wasn't the only one available. Black and white CRTs were around before green on black became popular on computer monitors. On the other hand, if you have any form of color-blindness then your color preference could vary.

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  104. colors and lighting by Anivair · · Score: 1

    light grey on a black background is supposedly one of the best combos. I've never had a problem with it. And most headaches are actually lighting issues. If you have fluorescent lighting over you (and you probably do) that might be a bigger problem than the monitor. Also, try eyedrops. You forget to blink while staring at a monitor.

  105. Not this again! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is why we can't have nice things!

  106. Brightness more important than color scheme. by guidryp · · Score: 2, Informative

    Matching brightness to ambient lighting is much more important than color scheme (unless you are going nuts with red on blue or something). I have been working as a coder for 12+ years now with a lot of 14 hour+ days...

    I never had much problem with CRTs. I prefer white backgrounds (standard VIM with syntax highlighting) with the brightness toned down to near paper levels for easy viewing.

    Most of the bigger LCDs I have tried lack the range of brightness control as they fight for supremacy in the specification wars. I have purchased LCDs of all three types (VA/TN/IPS) and in sizes ranging from 17" to 30".

    Eye comfort has correlated most strongly with how low you can modulate the brightness. On most big panels this modulation is quite poor when they aim for 400-500 cd/m2 which is insanely bright and hurt my eyes instantly regardless of color scheme (bright on dark or dark on bright both hurt). Even when these beasts are at ZERO brightness they are still often over 200cd/m2 which is completely nuts in a normal home lighting. You next have to resort to using the blocking characteristic of the LCD panel to lower it further which results in contrast going down the drain. Or set up more lighting which seems like a waste in terms of energy if nothing else.

    After all my purchases I have ended up with lower brightness cheap TN panels. These modulate to the dim end very nicely and tend to have fairly clear screen anti-glare coatings for nice clean text with a paper in light level brightness achievable.

    I recommend something like the Benq G2400W with it's nice 250cd/m2 max brightness (and therefore very good lower light performance).

    YMMV.

  107. Stand up and walk around by neile · · Score: 1

    The best solution I've found for eye strain is to simply force myself to stand up every half an hour and walk around for a couple of minutes. Close your eyes, relax for a minute, stretch your arms and legs. It does wonders.

    Neil

  108. Minimal by AdamHaun · · Score: 1

    I like to turn off or mute most of the garish syntax highlighting I find. I use a white background, very dark blue for keywords and operators, very dark brown for function names, very dark red for preprocessor directives (in C), light grey for comments, and black for everything else. This provides enough texture to make it easier to scroll through code while still making it easy to read. I especially like the light grey comments because they clearly separate code from non-code and make commented-out code actually look commented-out. Whoever came up with bright green for comments should be shot. Read Tufte's Envisioning Information to learn more about the effective use of color for displaying information.

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  109. Contrast by Bill_the_Engineer · · Score: 1

    I noticed that a pleasing color with high contrast between the text and background is helpful. Sometimes it is best to turn off color syntax highlighting, because readability sometimes comes at a cost of some funky color combinations.

    I am constantly looking for the best color combo, (try staring at constantly updating telemetry in addition to code) and for some dumb reason I go with the light green on black. I suspect this has more to do with nostalgia than eye strain... but it helps.

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  110. Dark blue background by pulazzo · · Score: 1

    I've been using a dark blue background for years and cringe when I try to use something else. I think #020820 is the exact color, nearly black depending on your gamma, but enough blue to soften it up.

    The foreground is a mix of light blues, pale yellows, and white. I use grey50 for comments which I think should drop off to the background when scanning code. I never understood the bright green that is often the default for comments.

    Now if I could just figure out how to make fonts other than "Fixed" look good in XEmacs on the Mac. I'm happy enough with it, but sometimes I feel the need for a change and in my setup there are no other good options. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

    1. Re:Dark blue background by FR-lopet · · Score: 1

      My C++ color scheme:

      Dark blue background and white text.
      Cyan for keywords and operators.
      Comments in red (comments are very important).
      Numbers in pink.
      Strings in green.

      I've been using this scheme for 5+ years when the default color scheme (black text on white background) started ti give me headaches. Sad thing is I can't read C++ anymore if it's not using this color scheme.

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  111. Font size by cerberusss · · Score: 1

    When you have chosen a particular color scheme, perhaps you should try to increase your font size for a few days. Maybe you're straining your eyes too much because of small fonts and not so much because of a poor color scheme.

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  112. Green on black by John+Hasler · · Score: 1

    It was good enough for your grandfather and it's good enough for you.

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  113. burning eyes are dry eyes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm a coder as you are.. I have a good solution

    Try to see the problem from another prespective.. you get the 'burning eyes' not mainly because of the colors but because of the the fact that you look at the screen and your eyes decrease the frequency they close.

    burning eyes are dry eyes

    probably the headache comes as a consequence..

    The solution I have is not technological... I use, with great improvements, the pomodoro technique http://www.tecnicadelpomodoro.it/ you can download the paper in english as well.

    In few simple words: every 25 minutes you break for 5 minutes (and switch off the screen) Your eyes will thank you, really!

    If want to go through more deeply on the pomodoro tech you'll find that is very used in the Agile Progamming italian community

    if you want to write me agadula attt gmail com

  114. Flashing text is best... by clickety6 · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...it's only on the screen for half the time, thereby giving your eye the other half of the time to relax from reading.

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  115. Rubbish by Viol8 · · Score: 1

    "This combination is the most relaxing for the eye."

    Nothing gives me a headache quicker than a bright background, especially white. Black backgrounds which light text are much nicer and far easier to read.

    Which do you think your eyes would prefer - staring at the stars for 8 hours or staring at a bright torch trying to read some letters glued on the lens?

    1. Re:Rubbish by Ihlosi · · Score: 1

      Nothing gives me a headache quicker than a bright background, especially white.

      Maybe you should get out more ? You know, sunlight and stuff ?

      Which do you think your eyes would prefer - staring at the stars for 8 hours or staring at a bright torch trying to read some letters glued on the lens?

      The average monitor is a few orders of magnitude away from the brightness that "a bright torch" can produce. And if the background it too bright, you can reduce it to a light grey (or other color of your choice).

    2. Re:Rubbish by Viol8 · · Score: 1

      "Maybe you should get out more ? You know, sunlight and stuff ?"

      Sorry , was that supposed to be an amusing put down?

      "And if the background it too bright, you can reduce it to a light grey (or other color of your choice)."

      Err , or you can reduce it to black.

      Go back under your bridge.

  116. Brightness, Contrast, Font size. by drolli · · Score: 1

    a) average brightness of monitor should be similar to rest of the room.

    b) Contrast in brighness should be not to large between fg and bg (i.e. NOT black on bright white like in Word for Windows). Use a suitable hue/saturation difference. I like gray on dark blue for standard text, but this is my personal preference. (This was the default in Word for DOS and Borland pascal.)

    c) Font size matters. Larger text on a larger monitor influences strongly how quickly your eyes will get tired. I prefer 14-18 (depending on the size of the monitor)pt Courier.

    d) Wear Glasses?

    e) Toolbars off. Sidebars minimized. You do not need to waste monitor area. The more often i scroll, the more tiring i find it for my eyes.

  117. Black on light yellow/beige by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 1
    and tone down the default garish syntax highlighting. .gvimrc:

    set guioptions-=T "we don't need no stinkin toolbars
    set guioptions-=m "we don't need no stinkin menus
    set cmdheight=1
    set scrolloff=2

    highlight Normal guibg=#f8f8e4 guifg=#300000
    highlight Statement guifg=#002020 gui=bold
    highlight Constant guifg=#106010
    highlight Comment guifg=#0000c0
    highlight PreProc guifg=DarkMagenta
    highlight Type gui=bold guifg=#404080
    highlight VertSplit gui=NONE guibg=Black

  118. Best Coding Scheme by tchiseen · · Score: 1
    I'm an engineer and generally a nerd, and I spend a lot of time coding. My two favorite colour schemes are:
    • Black on Grey (especially nice for text .pdfs) and
    • Neon Green on Black (classic hax0r scheme)

    Try lots of different ones, and see which works best for you.

  119. It is all in the glasses... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Might be time for some computer glasses. I use apple monitors, but still had headaches. I got some computer glasses and the headaches disappeared.

  120. Turn up the color temp on your monitor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.wired.com/culture/lifestyle/magazine/16-07/pl_home discusses picking the right light bulb color for various rooms in the house, but the reasoning also applies to coding. After reading the article, I changed my monitor's color temp from where it was to 9300K (gives a slightly bluish tint, which makes your pupils contract) and readjusted the brightness and contrast to something comfortable. For me, it's a huge improvement.

  121. Not a coder but... by theFATangel · · Score: 1

    ...when I was a boy scout I learned that red light is the least damaging to your night vision. Perhaps a red text on black background scheme may work well for you (reducing the intensity of the light coming from your screen and limiting it to the least damaging colors), YMMV. Also low ambient light like the torch style (upward facing) lamps that illuminate a room more from diffusion should work good. I use a little program for my MacBook Pro called Nocturne that helps with the color changing and is quite handy and can be personalized quite easily.

  122. Colors in eclipse by geoffeg · · Score: 1

    It still amazes me that after all these years Eclipse does not have an *easy* way to change the text editor color scheme. There don't appear to be any good plugins that let you apply pre-defined color schemes. Eclipse is one of the most popular Java IDEs out there, used in many other products, when will they fix this problem?

    1. Re:Colors in eclipse by gaving · · Score: 1

      I agree, I had a look at the other day for something as rudimentary a feature as this and in the end just gave up. Some sort of vim -> eclipse theme converter would be wonderful too for taking advantage of this massive theme choice already out there.

  123. Don't underestimate Blinking by Lunch2000 · · Score: 1

    One thing that will help is to remember to blink. Most people when presented with a computer monitor tend to stare fixedly. Over time this results in 'dry eye' or the tear film on your eyeball thinning out. After many years of staring at a monitor in a terminal session, browsing the web, playing games, I have found that what I am looking at does not really matter. HOW I look at it does, when I take frequent beaks, drink plenty of water , and use a small count down timer to remind myself to blink a few times every couple minutes I find that I have far fewer problems with my eyes.

  124. Have good "outside light" by Daimanta · · Score: 1

    There needs to be light from a source other than your screen. Let it be the sun or a lamp that you don't have to look at directly. If you do this correctly, the colour scheme doesn't matter a lot. If the screen is your primary source of light, your eyes will be hurt.

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  125. It depends! by lifesaver · · Score: 1

    Can't put my finger on it right this second, but I believe that IBM did research into this back in the terminal days and came up with white on dark blue.

    However, I think it comes down to what works for you and the lighting in your work area. For example, if you have a really bright environment you might choose one color scheme, but if your environment is dark, you might chose a different one.

    Personally, I try to keep outside light very low and then use green text on black background.

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  126. black text wheat3 background by zeldor · · Score: 1

    inside emacs with color coding turned on.
    a nice crisp somewhat large font and life is good.

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  127. Lemon chiffon on midnight blue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For me personally, there's no alternative to Lemon chiffon on midnight blue. Not even light gray on black.

  128. Refraction issues by erlkonig · · Score: 1

    In order for a text color scheme to work well for folks using glasses, especially higher diopter corrections, there are some things to know about how color behaves when viewed through glasses in any way but straight on. To test these, note in particular the effects seen near the edge of the lens, and when moving the head. Wearers of contacts may not see these effects. All notes regarding red-and-blue text also apply to red-vs-green to a lesser extent.

    - Violet colors are split into red and blue layers.
    - Red and blue text appear to move at different angular speeds as the head turns.
    - Violet text loses its violetness when shown over blue or red backgrounds (true to some extent even for those with perfect vision)
    - Red and blue text in a line are easily perceived as not sharing the same vertical alignment.

    For any color scheme, trying to avoid impact by the most common varieties of color blindness is recommended, by complementing the color coding with some other visible cue such as font weight, italics, underlining, etc.

  129. Elflord by BiggerBadderBen · · Score: 1

    I've been using this standard vim colorscheme for a few years and find it to be very easy on the eyes. Put this in your .gvimrc: colorscheme elflord

  130. Old computer programming manuals by LoadWB · · Score: 1

    I recall reading in Texas Instruments' programming manuals for the TI-99/4A a table of color combinations which were bad contrast. As well I read some third-party Apple ][ book which listed the same.

    Of course, that would be 80s technology video generation using CRTs. Interesting, none the less.

  131. Apple of my eye by e03179 · · Score: 1

    I code on an iPhone and it's AWESOME!@

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  132. Human eye resolution varies based on color by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I may not know the best color, but the worst is blue.

    Why?

    I once saw a website that explained how codec algorithms worked on DVDs. They broke down movie images into red, green, and blue components, and established that none of the colors were represented at full resolution. Red and green were somewhat degraded, but blue was incredibly so. Our eyes are just not that sensitive to blue light. Therefore it is possible to massively degrade the blue component of the image before human eyes notice the difference.

    Although a website is not necessarily credible research, the images they used from real DVDs with simple r/g/b filtering were compelling.

    I don't know the optimal color, but blue is bad. Makes me wonder about those fools who put blue-tinted headlights on their cars to make it look like they have xenon.

    1. Re:Human eye resolution varies based on color by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1

      You're comparing apples and oranges.

      DVDs are compressed / quantized with mpeg2. Text Editors using the full 24-bit colors (assuming your desktop is set to 24+ bpp) so they are not suffering from the PQ issues you mention.

      I would rather have a deep blue background (0,0,0x40) with bright text to provide some contrast for syntax coloring (white, yellow, neon green, etc) then any other color.

    2. Re:Human eye resolution varies based on color by colmore · · Score: 1

      What he means is that since human eyes are so piss poor at resolving a blue spectrum, the DVD compression can afford to lose more information in the blue channel than the others.

      May or may not be right.

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  133. Black on gray by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Particularly with modern LCDs, a pure white background can be so bright that it'll lead to headaches. I've been using black-on-gray for about 12 years as my preferred base editor colors. Darken or lighten the gray until you're comfortable - I'd recommend starting at 'light gray' and work from there.

  134. old-school chalkboard by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 2, Interesting

    When I was a lad, there was a big push in the schools to replace old blackboards with dark green chalkboards. This was supposed to be easier on the eyes.

    I use this idea in my Emacs windows, and set a background of DarkSlateGray (47,79,79 or #2f4f4f in HTML). With Emacs syntax highlighting I find it best to leave the default foreground white.

    I also recommend the "Lucida Typewriter" font, bold, at a decently large size. Many people use fonts that are just too damn small and then wonder why they suffer eyestrain.

    I also wonder if larger monitors are contributing to eyestrain - more eye movement is needed. I have a 15" LCD, equivalent in size to a 17" CRT which was considered something of a luxury when I first got one. Many people would complain about it being too small - but I notice that my monitor is almost exactly the same size as my open copy of a random book, O'Reilly's "Web Services Essentials". I think there are good reasons why books evolved to the page size that they did.

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    1. Re:old-school chalkboard by xsadar · · Score: 1

      I also wonder if larger monitors are contributing to eyestrain - more eye movement is needed. I have a 15" LCD, equivalent in size to a 17" CRT which was considered something of a luxury when I first got one. Many people would complain about it being too small - but I notice that my monitor is almost exactly the same size as my open copy of a random book, O'Reilly's "Web Services Essentials". I think there are good reasons why books evolved to the page size that they did.

      The large size of the monitor isn't the problem, it's that people think the text needs to extend from one end of the screen to the other. That just makes things harder to read and wastes valuable monitor space (which I consider to be more akin to desk space than to page space). After reading your post, I put a standard sheet of paper up to my 22" wide-screen monitor and found that with my current browser size (which is typical for me), the width of the text on the page was just short of the paper's width.

      I bought this monitor more for gaming and movies, but personally, I think this is the best monitor for coding I've ever used. I use roughly 3/5 of the screen width for my IDE, and use the remaining space for other useful programs, usually including a console or two for looking up man/info pages and performing other simple tasks. That way, I don't have to alt-tab every time I want to look at another program (particularly for reference information). It's similar to the way other people use multiple monitors, but I think I prefer a single wide monitor for such tasks over two smaller monitors.

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  135. Research from the 1980s by Zog+The+Undeniable · · Score: 1

    before GUIs and full-color displays, suggested amber on dark brown was optimal. Amber on black is almost as good, and used to be reasonably common as an alternative to the ubiquitous "green screen".

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  136. Default in Studio by Is0m0rph · · Score: 1

    Is fine for me and I code all day. My boss on the other hand uses the most hellish color scheme I've seen. Black background and bright orange, magenta, bright blue and green highlighting that would give me a headache.

  137. Let's have a "Lame Posting" contest! by dentar · · Score: 1

    I know.. let's have a contest! Let's dig back through /. to find the lamest post, ever! I nominate this one.

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  138. I've read all those... by mario_grgic · · Score: 0

    lot time ago, but it still doesn't improve the readability of fonts on my macs :D.

    Even Joel in the first link you point to above says:

    "Apple's fonts are indeed fuzzy, with blurry edges"..

    It only goes to show that people will try to explain away the problem. Like I hinted above, I would prefer if the font was forced to the pixel grid and be more readable, rather than staying true to the typeface and have it more blurry.

    My g descenders on Mac are always blurry. So is "e" and the only way to get them looking good is to use a huge 16 point and larger font.

    There is an interesting interview with Bill Hill (the inventor of Clear Type) here

    http://mschnlnine.vo.llnwd.net/d1/ch9/9/4/7/6/4/1/cleartype_2005.wmv

    where he makes a few comments about apple's font rendering. I tend to agree with him from personal experience with both Windows and Mac OS X, and Linux for that matter.

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    1. Re:I've read all those... by GrahamCox · · Score: 1

      Then you're an idiot, if you still think it's equivalent to a gaussian blur. You may not prefer the way fonts are rendered on the Mac, but that's just your opinion. The technical details of what you claimed are how fonts are rendered on the Mac are laughably off the mark.

  139. Re:Glasses. READING glasses. by mysticgoat · · Score: 1

    Most people get increasingly far-sighted from about age 35 onward, and it might start younger than that for some. The lens in the eye becomes less pliable with age, so the muscles that change its shape to bring close things into focus have to work harder, and this can cause headaches if they need to do so for hours on end.

    A vision check can help, but a surer and less expensive technique is to buy or borrow some inexpensive reading glasses. Check out three pair at +1.25, +1.50, and +1.75 (I think these measures are "diopters"), and see if you lose the headaches when you use these for several hours. (The problem with an optometric check up is that it won't go on for hours so it is easy to unconsciously "cheat" and force into focus something that you would not be able to comfortably keep in focus for any length of time).

    If you wear prescription glasses, talk to your optometrist about graduated lenses, and be sure to tell him how much of your time you spend at the keyboard, what the monitor to eye distance is, and whether you have the monitor at eye height, or lower.

    I've been profoundly nearsighted (myopia) since grade school. I'm currently using contact lenses for distance correction with +1.25 reading glasses for computer work and most reading. I've got a pair of +2.25 for detail work, like threading needles and such. My backup glasses are graduated lenses, optimized on the close-up side for computer work at 24", rather than a more typical 18" (for reading). I prefer to have my monitor below eye height (so I can easily look directly over it).

  140. Syntax highlighting and good code formatting by JoeCommodore · · Score: 1

    The two things that reduce eye fatigue is making it so you don't have to look hard for anything:

    - use good code formatting, this makes a major improvement having indents, keeping shorter line lengths. Readability of code is a good thing in many ways.

    - Syntax Highlighting, Also makes using code easier, looking for a function string or variable, look for the proper color.

    Though I think one thing that has affected my vision is using a laptop, while the display is nice it is also at a pretty close proximity for long periods, which I think affects my vision.

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  141. Cobalt and grey? by HalfOfOne · · Score: 1

    It may just be that my experience with computers started with Word Perfect 5 on a 386, but default WP5 color scheme has always worked for me. I've gotten quite a few people hooked on the light grey text on a cobalt background. It's not quite the white-on-black that has some Depth of Focus optics issues (see comments above), but it's still dark enough that you don't get extra eye strain from constant pupilary contraction like you would from dark text on a blindingly white background.

    Is anyone else weird like me and stuck on that WP5 color scheme for all these years?

    As a side note, I've also found that headaches due to long coding sessions can be related to a couple of seemingly unrelated factors. I tend to eat really crappy food while I'm coding, no proteins and mostly caffeine, sugars and fats. Eat better, feed your brain, and it'll stop complaining.

    Also, posture has a lot to do with it. Tensing your muscles slightly for long periods of time can cause some fatigue which will eventually lead to tension headaches. Get a good chair, position your work area using info from your favorite ergonomics guru, and do your occasional stretches and breaks like you're supposed to.

    The last thing is if you're a glasses wearer, you can get them now with a coating that claims to reduce monitor glare. I thought it was a gimmick, but it was covered by insurance, so I gave it a shot. I didn't really notice it with my monitor, but when looking through the eyepiece of my SLR, I noticed that at low apertures I'm seeing less artifacts with pinpoint sources of light on a dark background. It might be placebo effect, but if it's covered, I'd say go for it.

  142. Distance is important too... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In addition to the quality of LCD, the distance to the display is just as important for long code slinging sessions.

    There are small muscles that must squeeze the lens of the eye to bring close things into sharp focus. They do get tired and create the burning sensation. A larger screen further away creates the same visual field as a smaller, closer display, but without the same level of eye strain.

    22" or better at more than an arms length away is probably best.

    -Spock

  143. azure3/SkyBlue4 by MarcoAtWork · · Score: 1

    I have been using the azure3 / SkyBlue4 fg/bg combo for many, many years and it's always been great to work with

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  144. Three rules by barracg8 · · Score: 5, Informative

    This comes up on /. every so often, and I'm summarizing here the advice from a few people who (to me at least) sounded knowledgeable about the topic last time it came up.

    1. Use a strongly contrasting color scheme - this is obvious, black on white is easier to read than orange on red.
    2. Match the background color to the environment - staring at a bright monitor in a dark room is like staring straight at a light bulb - and the reverse can be true too (you get a halo around the monitor burning into your retina). Green on black is probably a brilliant color scheme if you do all your coding in a basement only lit by the blinkenlights of a router, but in a well lit office may not be as good for your eyes.
    3. Limit color edges. Okay, this is where I'm going to paraphrase other people really badly, but here goes. Your eye has separate RGB color cones, and effectively has to match a set of separate red, green, and blue images together. For some people, you can start to see optical effects when there is a strong contract change in different channels - your eye doesn't line up the images correctly, causing a blurry shadow around objects. This is not necessarily visually all the pronounced, but causes eye strain.

    Based on this advice I've switched to blue on light beige (#0000C0 on #FFFFC0). It has a strong contrast in two channels, no change in the third, and suits my office (reasonably bright, but lit with non-natural light). So far, this is working well for me.

    1. Re:Three rules by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Go to an eye doctor you need glasses!

      Plus, get a good TFT screen

      Not an Anonymous Coward, just too lazy to register

  145. Peanuts by pragma_x · · Score: 5, Interesting

    A little slash-trivia here:

    You can also notice the refresh of a CRT if you chew on something hard, like peanuts, while staring at the screen. The crushing action of your teeth vibrates your head just enough to interface with the screen's refresh rate, causing the picture to "bounce" and shear in your field of view.

    1. Re:Peanuts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Freaked me out the first time that happened to me, ended up switching between looking at the screen and chewing peanuts with my eyes closed... thank for touch typing!

    2. Re:Peanuts by Bemopolis · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Another way to see the refresh rate is to hold your index finger horizontally between the screen and your eyes and move it up and down. The refresh will essentially act as a strobe light, and you will see multiple images of your finger. If you get the cadence right and create stationary images, you can even calculate the refresh rate.

      Hey, what can I say — some people are bored nerds who are allergic to peanuts.

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    3. Re:Peanuts by Hythlodaeus · · Score: 1

      The same can be achieved by humming the second F below middle C.

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    4. Re:Peanuts by ottothecow · · Score: 1
      Not quite the same as seeing the refresh rate but still interesting is using your CRT as a sort of scientific strobe:

      If you have a sonicare toothbrush or other similarly high speed object, take it and hold it in front of a white area on a CRT. This should slow the motion similar to the effect of a strobe light. Because of the high refresh, you should be able to see a very smooth but slowed down rendition of the movement pattern that is actually occuring in the bristles of the toothbrush. I don't have a CRT anymore so I can't check but if I remember correctly, it will work better in a dark room (and you have to have the brush between you and the monitor, you can't see it from the glow of the screen alone)

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    5. Re:Peanuts by xonar · · Score: 1

      You can also accomplish this by blowing a nice fat raspberry! Thhhhhbbbbbbttt!

    6. Re:Peanuts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      happens with sneezing too

    7. Re:Peanuts by gemtech · · Score: 1

      why was this rated "funny"? This is true.

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    8. Re:Peanuts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A little slash-trivia here:

      You can also notice the refresh of a CRT if you chew on something hard, like peanuts, while staring at the screen. The crushing action of your teeth vibrates your head just enough to interface with the screen's refresh rate, causing the picture to "bounce" and shear in your field of view.

      Burping and farting can also induce the same reaction.

    9. Re:Peanuts by Mopatop · · Score: 1

      This can also be accomplished by brushing your teeth with an electric toothbrush.

    10. Re:Peanuts by Izmir+Stinger · · Score: 0

      The crushing action of your teeth vibrates your head just enough to interface with the screen's refresh rate, causing the picture to "bounce" and shear in your field of view.

      This optical effect you describe is even more dramatic if you have something in your mouth that is vibrating.

      Like an electric toothbrush, you pervs.

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    11. Re:Peanuts by NeoSkandranon · · Score: 1

      Every time I've tried to explain that to someone they've thought I was bughouse crazy. Glad to know I have company :)

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    12. Re:Peanuts by LordMyren · · Score: 1

      Very cool, not that I expect to see a CRT ever again in my life but if and when I do and the poor user is at 60Hz I can now hand them peanuts to accompany my complaints about how their monitor is making my eyes bleed.

    13. Re:Peanuts by 7Prime · · Score: 1

      Ya know what else works? Blasting the notes of Also Sparach Zarathustra through a nearby amplifier.

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    14. Re:Peanuts by Rogerborg · · Score: 2, Funny

      DON'T DO IT; that's the Brown Note.

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    15. Re:Peanuts by a-zarkon! · · Score: 1

      The same can be achieved by humming the second F below middle C.

      Isn't that the "Brown Note"?

    16. Re:Peanuts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I once lived in this house where the combination of washer, floor material, and monitor stand would cause the monitor to experience a minor resonant oscillation near 60Hz when I was doing a wash.

      Not enough to be detectable; except visually when it was on; the screen would appear to flicker and move on each frame!

      I thought it was electrical interference with the washer (yeah, I know, not too much electricity there...) until I had the genius idea of setting the monitor on some soundproofing foam on my desk; went away instantly...

    17. Re:Peanuts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also, if you "Sniff" really hard through your nose you can get the same affect. Try this on an LCD screen and nothing happens

    18. Re:Peanuts by digital+bath · · Score: 1

      I've found that CRT refresh rates are also very noticeable if you don't look at the screen directly. When I look at a CRT monitor out of the corner of my eye, the flicker can be very apparent depending on the refresh rate (60hz is horrible!)

      Playing the didgeridoo while looking at a CRT picture produces the wavy shear effect as well.

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    19. Re:Peanuts by Snodgrass · · Score: 3, Funny

      I went on an on-site tech call once. The little company I worked for supplied the computers to the local school district.

      While I was there, the "head computer guy" kept yammering on about all the problems they'd been having with the computers, but I'd only found one with an actual hardware problem.

      Anyway, I was getting ready to leave and he started pointing at a monitor (CRT) and saying "look at this! See? This is what has been happening!" I looked at it, but couldn't see anything wrong.

      "Right there!" he said, pointing, "See how it's jiggling around?" It was then that I noticed the bag of Cheetos in his hand. I told him to stop chewing for a second and see if the problem went away.

      It did, and so did he. I left without seeing him again, I think he was a little embarrassed. :^)

    20. Re:Peanuts by aliquis · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I've always wondered if it was the electric toothbrush disturbing the screen or my head/eyes which was fucked up by the toothbrush.

      Now I know (I could just turn it on without holding it against my teeths to.)

    21. Re:Peanuts by businessnerd · · Score: 1

      So it's the refresh! A friend of mine had a CRT in his room. Also in the room was an air conditioning unit in the window. Additionally, his mattress was on the floor (no frame). I remember all the time, I would sit down on the bed, lean against the wall, and look over at the screen. The whole screen would just start swirling and wobbling. I thought I was going crazy until I figured out the connection between the vibrating wall and it's proximity to my head. To top things off, my friends desktop background was a very colorful fractal. Really trippy looking.

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    22. Re:Peanuts by johanatan · · Score: 1

      It's also perceptible via peripheral vision.

    23. Re:Peanuts by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 1

      Marital aid.

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    24. Re:Peanuts by binaryspiral · · Score: 2, Funny

      Funny you should mention "never seeing a CRT again"... I was just in the phone room with the Nortel PBX for our campus - hooked up to a terminal with a orange phosphor CRT monitor.

      To show you how green our school is, someone hand scrawled on the CRT's front bezel "Turn this off when you're leaving... this ain't no fancy shmancy Energy Star monitor" with a big arrow pointing at the toggle power switch.

    25. Re:Peanuts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A more periodic head motion is even more fun - for example, a good long burp makes the screen all wavy

    26. Re:Peanuts by Hythlodaeus · · Score: 1

      A) the second F below middle C is 87.31 Hz rather than the sub-20Hz postulated for the brown note.

      B) Mythbusters tried to produce the brown note with huge rock concert speakers and achieved no gastronomical results.

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    27. Re:Peanuts by Isvara · · Score: 1

      Or just play really loud music so that your eyeballs vibrate. I've certainly noticed 7-seg LED refresh by doing that.

  146. Seriously? Think of your health by thc4k · · Score: 1

    Only on /. noone points out the most obvious:
    If you get a headache after staring at the screen for hours, just follow some of the most basic work economics.
    Which would include doing a *real* break every hour or two. Not a "drink coffee infront of the pc" but a "walk around, do something else" kind of break.
    I doubt there is any color scheme that can give you a headache after an hour in a well lit room with a good monitor and frequent breaks ...

  147. Big Screen, Big Font by RailGunSally · · Score: 2, Insightful
    >= 19" screen. >= 16pt font.

    Plus, the chicks will just assume...

  148. ClearType FTW by pragma_x · · Score: 2, Informative

    I can't stress the "ClearType" sub-pixel rendering enough. At work i switched from a CRT to an LCD and got eyestrain almost immediately afterwords. Enabling that feature caused the problem to go away just as fast.

    1. Re:ClearType FTW by iocat · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I love the idea of sub-pixel rendering for fonts, but in practice, to me, they make the screen blurry... and cause eye-strain. My solution was to turn OFF spr (on my mac and pc), and suddenly my LCD-induced eye-strain went away.

      So, the answer is clearly... do whatever works for you!

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    2. Re:ClearType FTW by Z34107 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Try this site if you're using XP.

      I didn't even know you could tune ClearType - but you can, and it makes ALL the DIFF uh rence... intheWORLD. Just like the right man in the wrong place...

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    3. Re:ClearType FTW by LordMyren · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Apple Windows and Linux all have pretty awful sub pixel rendering. Ideally you want a solution that lets you tweak the size of a font infinitely: you should be able to make any word or any letter any size what-so-ever. To my knowledge none of the common sub-pixel rendering systems provide this level of fine grained control.

      The only good sub pixel rendering I've ever seen is well explained on Anti-Grain's Text Rendering page. This page explains how bad most sub-pixel rendering is, and how much better their open source method is.

    4. Re:ClearType FTW by arth1 · · Score: 1

      Doesn't work unless you also run a dangerous browser.

    5. Re:ClearType FTW by Z34107 · · Score: 2, Informative

      So is responding to flamebait - but here goes. ActiveX is the same as add-ons, except the code is sandboxed and not just allowed to run natively at browser privileges.

      But more importantly, you missed the big link at the top of the page for the PowerToy for XP. No browser needed.

      At least you clicked the link, though.

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    6. Re:ClearType FTW by aliquis · · Score: 1

      Is that true for all kinds? Even say Adobes (try with acrobat reader or something)?

    7. Re:ClearType FTW by aliquis · · Score: 1

      I've read it before, scrolled thru it and read a little here and there but can't find ther open source method? Is it the last freetype one for Windows?

      Also I think OS X and Adobe does it nice. Adobe best :)

    8. Re:ClearType FTW by Walter+Carver · · Score: 1

      it makes ALL the DIFF uh rence... intheWORLD. Just like the right man in the wrong place...

      Half-Life 2 intro! And now you're going to say "thank you captain obvious" :-P

    9. Re:ClearType FTW by Z34107 · · Score: 1

      Thank you! But, perhaps you deserve a promotion from Captain to, um, whatever comes after Captain? ^.^

      (Still, surprising anyone can identify G-Man's weird vocal intonations in text with a few capital letters and ellipses...)

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  149. Re:Amber on Black by mysticgoat · · Score: 1

    Yeah, amber screens were the prime choice back in the day, when they first became available. I'm surprised that so many youngsters here are choosing to code in green on black, thinking that there is some ancient wisdom behind it. When the truth is that there were no other choices at that time.

    I am SO glad that we've gotten beyond those old wood-burning computers!

  150. Greenish yellow and redish violet by mnemotronic · · Score: 1
    (NOTE ... this is all IMH & totally uneducated O ...)

    Text (foreground) of yellow + green (about 550nm) at maximum intensity. A background color from the opposite of the color wheel and of a low intensity, high saturation, which means dark redish violet.

    The reasoning behind the suggestion:
    A Greenish-yellow text color activates both the L (yellow perceptive) and M (green perceptive) cones. By tickling two sets of cones, you are getting twice the stimulus, and benefiting from the higher resolution of the color-perceptive cones, assuming you want your eyes to detect the text instead of the background. The cones are not as sensitive to lower light levels, hence the higher intensity of the text. The background color was chosen to provide a maximum contrast to the text, and not activate the L & M cones. The easier you make it on your eyes, the less pre-processing your brain will have to do on the text, saving it's horsepower for other tasks, like watching ga5-53x pr0n.

    Experiment:
    Try to read blue, green, and yellow lettering at night. You'll find that the blue is difficult to read, the green is better, and the yellow is the easiest.

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  151. Try reverse video by hippo · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Most people are right handed but some are left handed. Most people prefer light background and others like me prefer dark. You may be the same. Unfortunately most of the web is pretty much hardcoded to have blinding white backgrounds so after years of slogging through style-sheets and app-defaults I gave up and used the sledghammer approach. I now run everything in a VNC server and use a hacked vncviewer to render the world in reverse video. I'm happy and the patch is here http://www.vnc.cz/pipermail/vnc-list/2006-January/053794.html. I'm thinking of moving to Xvfb with a hacked x11vnc as that might give a more up to date X-server and will work with Windows viewers.

    1. Re:Try reverse video by SoupIsGoodFood_42 · · Score: 1

      Have you tried turning your monitor brightness down and made sure the rest of the room is well lit?

  152. Radability by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Colors will not make much of a difference.
    Just stay away from complimentaty colors as they have a tendancy to vibrate next to each other. Bad choice for body type

    Contrast will have a great effect.

    In the end it comes down to basic typograpgy, word-spacing, the length of your lines, leading, kerning.. stuff like that.

  153. what I do... by Greg_D · · Score: 1

    One of the things I learned over the course of designing and developing commercial websites is that pure black letters on a pure white background are hard on the eyes. Now, I prefer to set my editor to an eggshell white background and a very dark grey foreground. For colored syntax, I find the darkest color for each group, and then lighten it just a bit. The result is an editor that is very easy on the eyes.

    Another thing I'll do is limit myself to 3 hours of programming at a time. After that, it's time to take the eyes off the CRT, leave the fluorescent lamps, and go outside for a few minutes (or, if I'm in the mood for a stogie, an hour), just to have my eyes readjust.

  154. Re: Generic Research vs specific Devs by TaoPhoenix · · Score: 1

    For me, it's all about the mood of the color scheme. It's a subliminal nudge to keep focused.

    I use combinations of red window trim and dark blue desktops to frame the white page.

    I get bored with generic pastel colors.

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  155. It is dead too now :( by widman · · Score: 1

    I guess too heavy cgi on the original site.

  156. Yellow Legal Pads by nko321 · · Score: 1

    Not perfectly relevant nor a true answer to the posted question but legal pads are often yellow because it's easier to focus while looking at yellow (supposedly). I've often set myself a gentle, brighter yellowish background and much to my surprise, if you pick the right shade, it's very comfortable.

  157. Re:In tune by led7 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Also works with low and pedal tones on a brass (low brass pref) instrument. Makes the digits on a LED digital clock waver and bounce slowly in addition to seeing screen refresh.

  158. Re: Less Light by TaoPhoenix · · Score: 1

    I'm used to being an outlier, so generic study recommendations don't work properly for me.

    It depends on the type of duty. At work, the lights are very bright, which is good when I have to survey a spread of exhibit materials and formulate plans of what to update.

    At home, I sometimes put the lighting way down as you mentioned. If I am well awake and can "churn", it is great. But if I start to lose focus, that feels accelerated as well.

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  159. Coding Colors by Blackjack+Joe · · Score: 1

    I used to have a coworker that swore that the best combination was a light blue background using darker blue characters, claiming that some study suggested a lower contrast was less straining. I didn't personally care for it, but others at our company adopted it as well.

  160. vim - desert256 by knewter · · Score: 1

    vim - desert256

    I defy anyone to disagree with me.

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  161. Take frequent breaks by cyberspittle · · Score: 0

    The problem is that you are building stress while you are working. This stress needs an outlet. Caffeine in large quantities may amplify this effect. Drink water. Keep a timer handy. Every 15 minuntes, stand up, looking around, stretch to loosen up will be handy. By looking away from you freaking screen once in awhile at something distant will help reduce eye strain. during lunch, don't sit at your desk and work, go for a walk (take a sandwhich if you are hungry). Maybe get a pin-up calendar. Bottom line, you need to un-ass yourself once in awhile. Healthy coding is productive coding. Learn this early and be productive longer, otherwise you will just be another burned-out has-been coder.

  162. changing eyes... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No, not swapping your eyeballs for new ones (someday, maybe)...

    I found the fatigue was getting worse and headaches more frequent. Then I realized that I couldn't see as clearly as I used to--my prescription had changed and I had developed an astigmatism. Until I could afford glasses, the solution was to tilt my specs :)

  163. darkdesert by Xenobiotic · · Score: 1

    I'm using darkdesert for some time now. http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=105

    1. Re:darkdesert by bozolino · · Score: 1

      This link points to desert, not to darkdesert.

    2. Re:darkdesert by Xenobiotic · · Score: 1
  164. color scheme by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In college, I took a course in teaching special needs children. One of the things we covered was color scheme. The study we looked at found that black text on a beige (or light yellow) background was easiest on the eyes.

    Of course, this was for writing on paper, but I've used it a lot for computers, and it seems to work pretty well.

  165. Pale Yellow on Black by kmsigel · · Score: 1

    I've been coding for many years, and always use pale yellow (R-255,G-255,B-192) foreground and black background. The monitor doesn't emit a lot of light because of the black background, and the pale yellow is plenty bright without being too bright (like white). YMMV

  166. Good old Koehler by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    :colorscheme koehler

    Works for me. YMMV. //Peter

  167. I personally use this by the_B0fh · · Score: 1

    I have a bunch of background gifs from the japanese guy with the moving snake that changes every 30 seconds.

    I then have xterms in transparent mode with 8 point fonts.

    People go blind trying to read over my shoulders!

  168. green on black. by oliverthered · · Score: 1

    There's a reason that old monitors were green on black. It's because it's easier to read. Can't point to a paper on the subject but i've been told this a number of times from a number of sources and it is easy to read compared to black on white or white on black etc... it provides good contrast without having any 'glare'

    Personally I have a light blue/purple background as i find it easier on the eyes.

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  169. Back to the colors... by infodude · · Score: 1

    I have tried variations of orange/brown on an olive/green background and found it very easy on the eye.

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  170. Optimal color scheme depends on vi/emacs choice. by victim · · Score: 1

    It is well known and documented in such obvious places as wikipedia and askjeeves that the optimal color scheme depends on your vi/emacs choice and whether you use a *BSD* or a Linux operating system.

  171. melatonin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    There have been some interesting studies of the effects of color on sleep (and cancer suppression). The results might adjust your choice of display colors. Here is an example report:
    http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/6084/title/Blue_light_keeps_night_owls_going

    It seems that the body's melatonin production is the important factor.

  172. Serious question by p3d0 · · Score: 1

    If you want less contrast, why not just turn down the contrast on your monitor?

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    1. Re:Serious question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not the original AC, but I can answer: because I don't want everything to be low-contrast, just my text.

  173. Orange on green by Skapare · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The color I have found that works best is orange on green. This color pair has to be tuned so that the level of green primary in the orange is equal to the level of green in the background. This ensures that the boundary edge between foreground and background colors is limited to a single color. With the contrast being in a single color, it can remain in sharp focus regardless of the color error of the lens in the eyes or corrective lenses many people use. While red on black would maintain the same sharpness, having an added green base color increases the illumination level, causing pupils to contract to a smaller opening, increasing depth of field and improving focus and visual sharpness. Adding some blue to the base color (approximately pink on dark cyan) can also work. Just be sure that the foreground color has as much green and blue as the background color.

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  174. Murphy! by __aawbaq9214 · · Score: 1

    I've been using Murphy for a number of years (black screen, fluorescent green for non-syntax characters). I like it. Better looking on the Windows box (XP) than Linux (CentOS). GL.

  175. Dark on light - and lots of contrast by JoeMerchant · · Score: 1

    Dark text on light backgrounds keeps your pupils more constricted, which makes it easier to focus. Also avoid very similar colors (like Navy blue vs Royal blue) which can cause some mental fatigue in differentiation, even if you don't think you're trying to differentiate.

    I've noticed some of the new (cheap) LCDs have poor color rendering at certain angles - we have one that has rich colors from the side, but is washed out when looking straight on - just something else to consider. I think any LCD I have seen is preferable to all but the best CRTs available, in terms of eye-strain.

  176. Color schemes that give me a headache by Skapare · · Score: 1

    I know of color schemes that do give me headaches. They generally follow the pattern of having contrast (that is, the difference between the foreground color and the background color) simultaneously in the blue spectrum and red spectrum. This results in the appearance of letters in 2 overlapping locations, rather than one joint location, due to the slight differences in focal length of human eyes, especially when that difference is exaggerated by corrective lenses not of the apochromatic type (which would be very heavy to were and cause their own issues).

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    1. Re:Color schemes that give me a headache by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

      I have to agree with you, I've never seen anything worst then red on blue/blue on red. It just looks so horrible that I get the impression that it "vibrates".

      And I don't even wear glasses/lens.

  177. On my TFT, I love this by rvalles · · Score: 1

    xterm -fg orange -bg black

  178. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 1

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  179. For what it's worth... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My mother is a cat-scan technician. A couple of years ago, they got a new machine. It was a touch-screen, but what made it interesting was that it was (slightly neon) orange text on a black background. I happened to be there when they were tuning it and I asked the man why that was. He told me that orange was easier on the eyes than green or white on black.

  180. Brightness by tj111 · · Score: 1

    I find another huge factor is monitor brightness. At work I do all my programming on a laptop monitor and keep things like my web browser and IMs (shh) on another monitor. I almost never get eye strain with that setup. At home I have a really nice Samsung 21.6", but noticed after only 2 or 3 hours I would start to get some serious eye strain. When I compared my laptop screen against the Samsung, the first thing I noticed was how damn bright that thing was. Turned the brightness down to ~65% and haven't had any issues since.

  181. Green or Yellow on Black by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

    In the 1970s, Bell (while it was still around and ruled the world) researched exactly which colors are most usable on the monochrome monitors of the time. They found that green (a bright green, like the Windows standard color "Light Green") on black was the easiest to read for the longest time for the most people. But they also found that yellow (an amber yellow, a little darker than the Windows standard color "Light Yellow") is the clearest, for most accurate reading, even if not for the longest time.

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  182. Crackers by toddhisattva · · Score: 1

    A little slash-trivia here [...] causing the picture to "bounce" and shear

    This far predates Slashdot and was covered in Dr. Dobb's in the mid-80s.

  183. Eclipse by Sureshot324 · · Score: 1

    Anyone know how to change the color scheme in Eclipse? I couldn't find an easy way to do it.

  184. Get rid of the LCD's by DogDude · · Score: 1

    My best suggestion is to dump those stupid LCD's. I don't understand why people like these things so damn much. Even the best ones give me a headache after no time at all. All of my monitors and TV's (with the exception of my laptops) are CRT's. They're clearer, brighter, and produce much, much less eyestrain than even the most expensive LCD.

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  185. VIM color scheme in Dreamweaver by Lars83 · · Score: 1

    I rather like the default color scheme in VIM. As I do most of my coding in Dreamweaver now, I'd like to use the VIM scheme on that coding canvas. Any idea how to do that quickly?

  186. Best scheme for coding: several backgrounds by 0xABADC0DA · · Score: 1

    For programming the absolute best color scheme:

    Columns 0-80: fg color on bg color
    Columns 80+: fg color on [darker,lighter] bg color

    This lets you know when your code has gone past 80 columns without being harsh, and it just looks nice. To do this make an image at least the width of the monitor and maybe a hundred or so pixels high. Make the left side all bg color 1 and the right side after 80 columns all bg color 2 (take a screenshot of a x80 window to find out how many pixels for 80 columns). Then set it as the tiling background image. Since it's only a strip it uses little memory.

    Also, hack your vim highlighting so that the tab character is always bright red (and flashing on/off if your term supports it). This lets you know when somebody put an evil tab into your code. Or if you subscribe to the linux compromise, use gray and it makes a nice 'indentation wall'.

  187. Pale yellow on green by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Many years ago the State of California did a study for their then new interstate signs and found pale yellow lettering on the now common green background provided the best contrast for readability. YMMV.

  188. Something similar to what you asked for! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~maverick/VimColorSchemeTest/index-pl.html

  189. Monochrome, green on black! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Two colors ought to be enough for anybody!

  190. Easy on the eyes combination by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    DarkSlateGray background
    Wheat foreground

  191. Additive vs. Subtractive Color Builds by aeiowu · · Score: 1

    as a graphic designer, the most legible color schemes are the ones with the highest contrast. In subtractive color builds (papers, magazines or anything that uses colored ink to build an image) the most legible scheme is black text on white paper. In additive builds (monitors, television, or anything that uses colored light to build an image) the most legible scheme is white text on a black screen/background. Some may debate that black on white is still the best, but I believe when it comes to additive color, this is the way to go. Think of it like this: the text should be the darkest build, while the background that it sits on should be the absense of a build. Since white (for additive/monitors) or #ffffff = 255,255,255 and black or #000000 = 0,0,0 then white text on black background makes the most sense. For print(subtractive) the opposite is true. White is (in CMYK) 0,0,0,0 and a full black is either 0,0,0,100 or the full monty = 100,100,100,100. Variations of this light text on dark background can fly, and be altered to taste/preference, but i think this works pretty well for anything using additive color builds.

  192. Slightly less contrast by Azuretan · · Score: 1

    Personally, I like using dark pastel colors on a dark gray background (#222222). I find that having just black and white bothers me because of its stark contrast.

  193. Re:In tune by LordMyren · · Score: 1

    I imagine for an LED clock it would depend on the duty cycle. Given that theres probably some ghosting, I'd think there wouldnt actually be any flicker for a lot of clocks.

  194. Green on black by rdev · · Score: 1

    I use green on black and that would be my personal recommedation.

    When you get used to it, you won't change back :)

    See also dupe http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/04/08/2213222

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  195. How about... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    >Does anyone know of a study / data on this topic?

    How about trying different settings until you find one that works?

    WTF is going on with Slashdot lately? Between the "Please think for me" articles such as this, and worse, and the never-ending stream of "Your Right to Pirate Online" articles, it's turning into Digg.

  196. A bit o' karma whoring but by aztektum · · Score: 1

    This topic was also brought up only 3 months ago as well.

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  197. Another vote for Desert. by rootslashdot.org · · Score: 1

    Works best in both terminal and GUI.

  198. Re:In tune by PitaBred · · Score: 0

    Most LED clocks flicker at 60Hz (or 50 if you're in the UK/Europe) because it's just simpler to not put in the AC->DC converters and smooth it out, I'd guess that it's just a simple rectifier that preserves some of the flickering if they don't use LED's that can handle AC in the first place.

  199. Check Your Monitor height by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's also best to have the monitor a little lower than eye level. This causes your eyelids to cover your eyeball a little more and helps prevent drying out the eyes from not blinking enough.

  200. green on black by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Green on black reminds me of the nice "TAB" terminal I used for most of the '80s.

    White is no good for me; I have prisms in my
    glasses so any white text far from the center
    of the view turns to rainbows.

  201. Re: amber or green on black by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Amber on Black or Green on Black were used because they were the cheapest to manufacture, not because they were the best on the eyes.
    I had the luck to work on a green on black monitor in the 80's. It was fine for the first half an hour or so, but by lunch time, everything but the monitor looked pink. It felt especially painful using a 16-color text-based program since my boss was to cheap to replace his new monitor with a color one: everything was displayed in 15 shades of green plus black. That was terrible on my eyes.

  202. What about XEmacs? by gknoy · · Score: 1

    There's very little that I've been able to find about font selections in XEmacs; I appear not to have an 'options' menu, and when I do 'M-x customize', I've not yet found anything for selecting the size of the font to use. :( Le sigh. I suspect I have a deliberately crippled version that was shipped with the proprietary almost-lisp that I use.

    Anyhow, this is somewhat off topic, but I've had a really hard time finding useful stuff via search (:

    1. Re:What about XEmacs? by jgrahn · · Score: 1

      How about M-x set-default-font and (in ~/.emacs) (set-default-font "fontname")?

  203. Vim and desert by caseih · · Score: 1

    No question desert[1] is the best color scheme. Easy on the eyes, good contrast, good colors for different types of programming language components. It's a standard color scheme in Vim. On an xterm I for the colors to 256 and then use desert256[2].

    [1] http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=105
    [2] http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=1243

  204. Vim colorings for good coding.. by tempest69 · · Score: 1
    While everyone seems to be an ergonomic freak.. I have a different perspective..

    My co-workers call it circus coloring..

    I set all of my common commands to yellow.... cout + = - .size() >>

    I set my comparisons to green == > =>

    This shows vector >vector >int>> myvar as being bad code..

    I set my common variables to purple.. so result, input, size, index, total, min, max

    I dont use sum as purple because total is my default, sum isnt..

    Any common misspellings like retrun are colored inverse yellow.. so I dont even think about it when I fat finger it

    comma and period.. green and cyan.. a typo should be obvious from color.. the = vs == saves me a whole lot of grief. If something is White in my code.. it is because it's not in my standard flow.. so It sticks out as well.

  205. White on Dark Blue by PotatoHead · · Score: 1

    Use a non-proportional font, that's sans-serif and size it where your 80 column display is where you feel it's easiest to read.

    On that font, also go for the 1:1 (square) characters, not skinny ones. That does consume some screen real-estate, but also maximizes character readability. If you've got focus problems, narrow characters will only exacerbate that over time.

    For a great example, go look at this IRIX desktop screenshot here:

    http://www.guidebookgallery.org/screenshots/irix53

    That's an older screenie, but the colors and fonts are good to look at.

    Of all the machines I've used for very long periods of time, the SGI IRIX desktop was the most pleasant. The colors and fonts and overall positioning of things really wasn't the most dense, but it was clear and not stressful.

  206. Maybe not a thing for cubicles.. by tjstork · · Score: 1

    I just tried doing that, without thinking, and of course I have a big floodlight of a flourescent above my head and so it would difficult to spot ... but, the larger problem is that here I was waving rapidly in front of my screen and now everything thinks I'm retarded.

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    1. Re:Maybe not a thing for cubicles.. by freemywrld · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'd be more worried about the fact that "things" are judging you...

  207. a thought, not necessarily an "answer" by mistahkurtz · · Score: 1

    doesn't the military use a blue/pinkish-orange color scheme as their computer operators typically sit at their workstations for very extended periods of time? this is mostly done in low-light conditions, i believe, so may not necessarily help if you're using full ambient light...

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  208. Red on Yellow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The best color

    Red letter on amber on yellow background

  209. Font choice, not color by barzok · · Score: 1

    For me, the difference isn't so much with color schemes but choosing a good font and size. There are a number of "designed for programmers" fonts available like Consolas, give them a shot.

  210. Amiga 2.x blue-on-gray by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Supposedly the Amiga 2.x color scheme (blue and black on an even gray, replacing the garish blue/white/orange/black selected for good contrast on dying TV sets) was based on an ISO or OSHA standard for display terminals, but I don't know which one.

    However, many X11 apps, and to a lesser extent windows, copied the same idea: reducing the brightness of a white background and reducing the contrast of the text can prevent some eyestrain, and allow bright white and black to be spared for alerts and items that need to draw your attention. This also helps if you have to switch back and forth to paper, which is usually less bright than a display, although modern paper keeps getting more and more reflective (brighter) to match our bright displays.

    I use a variant for my xterms (DarkBlue on LightGray IIRC) and it works out well.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AmigaOS_versions#AmigaOS_2.0.2C_2.04.2C_2.05.2C_2.1

  211. It's quite simple actually. by aliquis · · Score: 1

    1) Don't buy TN.
    2) Buy PVA or MVA if you can't afford IPS and don't play games where the input lag will ruin your experience.
    3) If you can afford it buy IPS.

    There may be a few exceptions (the input lag on PVA are on S-PVA for instance, I think, but you will probably get an S-PVA one anyway so ..), but more or less so.

  212. Borland color scheme by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I always liked the old Borland Turbo Pascal/C++ yellow white on a dark blue background color scheme.

    link

  213. Leptians by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am using ps_color.vim (http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=760) for color scheme and Proggy Clean for font type (http://www.proggyfonts.com)

    Both of them are good for programming and ease on the eyes

  214. Eyestrain can be generally be reduced by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    by blowing up the code (i.e. increasing text size) in good proportion compared to the workspace.

  215. Borland Turbo C++ 3.0! by teal_ · · Score: 1

    Borland Turbo C++ 3.0!

    Best colors ever!

  216. ps_color.vim by yahyamf · · Score: 1

    I've been using ps_color.vim in VIM for over six years now. It works well with several programming languages. I highly recommended it.

  217. Light Grey background for control systems by Cassini2 · · Score: 1

    The consensus among human factors professionals is that a light gray background is best

    For one control systems application, we researched the ideal background color. After much studious analysis, we finally decided on a slightly brownish light gray color. The idea was that on a wide variety of monitors in use at the plant, the color would always display as either light gray or a slightly brownish light gray.

    The reasoning was essentially the same as what you describe. Every other color displays well against gray.

    It is however poor practice to depend only on color. For the systems I work on, I aim to distinguish warning based on Color, Shape (or Text), and Size (or Boldness.) Many people in plants suffer from one form of impairment or another, and it is really bad to rely on a single distinguishing feature to attract an operator's attention.

  218. Best Color Scheme Ever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    (in decimal RGB, not hex)

    Background: 104,96,94 (a weird color, easy on the eyes)
    Main text: black fixed-width serif font.
    Keywords: red (255,0,0)
    Numbers: maroon
    Comments: 0,98,0
    Strings: 151,151,0 (a dark yellow color)

  219. ePaper? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It seems like ePaper would be the least strain - a clear winner in 'match the environment', 'reduce flickering', and 'lower contrast/brightness'. Does there exist a display you can plug into your computer?

  220. I recall reading... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    that white text on a green background was best ... hence the color scheme used by our national highway system ("our" means the U.S.A.).

    I've always been partial to green text on black backgrounds too... old DOS days...

  221. My 2 Cents... by Plekto · · Score: 1

    I used to program for a long time and there were two schools of thought - but both involved a nice teal green. Our eyes see blue-green the strongest/are most sensitive to it.

    The trick is the background. Given our oversensitivity to one color(it's close to the blue-green Slashdot uses for it's main page, actually), you can tone down the background quite a bit contrast-wise. White is out and so is black.

    The best option then is a slightly blueish gray for backgrounds. Take a look at the menu bar under the main Slashdot banner. That sort of blue-gray or close to it.(bit darker is optimal, though Slashdot is close)

    You'll have to fiddle with the brightness a bit to where it's comfortable. I like it reversed - darker grey and lighter almost whiteish teal. Kind of like an old school green CRT monitor, but without the insane radiation and brightness levels.

  222. yes, ambient lighting is extremely relative by axlr8or · · Score: 0

    A lot of time I code sitting downstairs on my laptop. I use Dev so its typically black text/white background. At night I've noticed that interfering direct light sources hurt, however, no ambient light at all is even worse. Basically I have to have the room light on. In an answer to colors however, I can't explain how soothing the old amber on black is. It even emotionaly makes me feel better. On my linux systems I use VIM also. I tone the amber down a little darker. Almost an orange. Very soothing color combination.

  223. i pity the fool that likes 6bit high refresh rate! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    good for gaming is a euphemism for 'shite but cheap and is marketed to children who must be colour blind'

    much of the motivation for the smaller switching times (although they cheat by redefining the terms quoted) is for the high frequency dithering used to get away with selling 6bit panels based on the cheaper twisted nematic tech. large tn panels are more easily fabricated at a higher yield as compared to the PVA and IPS techs

    fortunately the econ sweet spot for screens is getting larger than 22". and at this size the variation in gamma and colour across the screen just with your head in the middle as you look from left to right is so bad with tn that hopefully the manufacturers will have to switch back to the better tech with 8bit and less variation with viewing angle.

  224. What is "vim"? by jessica89 · · Score: 1

    Sorry silly question but what's a "vim"? I've been working with LCDs since 1999 (paid a fortune for a crappy 15 incher back then) and let's just say the quality has improved by worlds since then. Love my Dell 24s! :) Although there's a difference between them, the more expensive one is pretty perfect, the cheaper version seems to "flicker". It's like I can actually see the screen refresh rate, even though both monitors are set at 60Hz.

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    1. Re:What is "vim"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Normally I'd assume somebody asking what vim is was trying to troll, but from the rest of your post, I'm guessing you really don't know, so...

      Vim is Vi Improved. It's a highly configurable, very powerful text editor aimed at programmers. Virtually all Linux programmers are familiar with it, and there are constant wars over whether it or emacs is the better editor. Personally, I prefer vim.

      Also, just so you know, LCDs do not "refresh" like CRTs do. CRTs constantly redraw the entire picture a certain number of times per second, and that's their refresh rate. 60 Hz is a bit on the low side; that is generally the lowest that's considered acceptable, and there are a lot of people who can see a noticeable flicker. Good CRTs support refresh rates of up to 85 Hz. LCDs do not need to constantly redraw the entire picture; pixels are only changed when their color is changed. The concept of a "refresh rate" is meaningless for LCDs, although it is useful to measure how long it takes a pixel to turn from pure white to pure black.

  225. Cover your cubicle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sometimes the light from the ceiling causes reflection on your monitor screen and make your eyes suffer. I personally prefer a darker working environment.

    After tried a huge patio umbrella in the office (everyone is joking about it, and it doesn't work well), I finally found this life saver. Indeed someone already thought about this issue. :-)

    http://www.cubeshield.com/home/

  226. Funniest thing ever seen on WP... by adamofgreyskull · · Score: 1

    Terminology The name is metonymy for a common color of human feces[citation needed] (...)

    Citation needed indeed...

  227. Re:In tune by jimmydevice · · Score: 1

    Some clocks may use a line reference, but most use a crystal frequency source. The display is multiplexed to reduce power consumption and in the olden days, parts count.

  228. Blink, just blink! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    At the minimum, adjust work, avoid glare, BLINK, and take a break.
    It's all just natural to take a break every now and then, relax your neck muscles and don't forget to blink!

  229. Amiga got it from Nasa by Fross · · Score: 1

    When the Amiga first came out, it had a very strange 4-colour basic set-up for Workbench - a sky blue background, white text, with orange and black used as highlight/secondary colours. Apparently (and of course I can't cite a reference for it now!) this was based on the colours Nasa used for their GUI systems, which gave high clarity. I trust they did their research.

    The oft-quoted green on black or amber on black were never chosen for their suitability, they were simply the most affordable solution at the time in the land of monochrome CRTs.

  230. He said he wanted studies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17510822?ordinalpos=5&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18413962?ordinalpos=2&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum

  231. Reflected vs. emitted (Re: Black background ... ) by tiberus · · Score: 1

    So your eye can magically tell the difference between "reflected" and "emitted" photons ?

    In a word yes... Can't you tell the difference 'twix looking at a monitor and looking at a picture of a monitor?

    When you use a white background on a monitor, your effectively staring into a light bulb. 'Member when your Mom told you not to stare at the sun?

  232. Eyes are most sensitive to GREEN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've always found green text on black background easiest on my eyes. AFTER eliminating reflections and adjusting refresh rate...

  233. Cornsilk background, Black characters by hzamir · · Score: 1

    Studies have been done on this. In terms of pure legibility a slightly yellowish page color--"cornsilk" is a great place to start--offers ideal contrast (with black characters).

  234. Light Text on Dark Backgrounds by Deravor · · Score: 1

    I spend a (far too) significant amount of my time staring at either a dumb terminal or a telnet connection. As a result, I've found a few schemes that seem to reduce eyestrain. First off, use a dark background color. I like Black, Navy, or Dark Green, depending on the interface being used (OpenVMS, Bash, Matlab Editor and Command Line...). With this, use a light text color. If you don't have keyword-dependent colors, a medium orange works if you're into the old display feel, as does a brighter green. For Navy or dark green, a medium-gray color works very well, but these background colors don't leave a lot of options for keyword-dependent text coloring. Also, reducing the ambient light levels and the light in your field of view while working can have a dramatic impact on eyestrain and headaches. Unfortunately, the cube farm I most frequently work in has solid rows of fluorescent lighting, making it difficult to obey those last suggestions.

  235. Set your refresh rate as high as it can go by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've heard that setting your refresh rate as high as it can go helps out. I don't know why so don't ask me. I prefer 85 Hz. You can tell that yours eyes work harder at 60 Hz than they do at higher rates. At 100 Hz my monitor does not like to play nice and fit the image very well. You should also try a non-interlacing monitor (do they even make interlaced ones anymore? )

  236. Belief Studios. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.beliefdesign.com/stage/index.php?section=work&project=07.Experimental&id=02.Pollinate:%20The%20Common%20Desk.640x480&extension=mov&width=640&height=480

    These guys are awesome.

    Drayg0.

  237. Dependency: ambient lighting conditions by joeslugg · · Score: 1

    I've read through many of the responses so far, and I see a lot of comments like,
    "Dark text on a bright background is WELL KNOWN to be FAR better on the eyes."
    and
    "Light text on a dark background is OBVIOUSLY better because of the tachyion emissions..."
    blahblah...

    But I think a major aspect to this has to do with the ambient lighting conditions in the place where you are working. Me, I work in cave-like conditions. Very little ambient lighting, monitor brightness low, color backgrounds dark and text not-as-dark. If someone turns on the overhead light in my office I can't hardly see anything on the screen. Likewise, if I had the typical bright background, dark text scheme applied, my retinas would probably be burned out staring at that in a dark work room.

    I guess I'm saying I subscribe to the "match background to ambient light conditions" school of thought. Do you work in a bright place? Try dark on light.
    Work in a dark place? Try light on dark. Something in between? I guess gray on gray maybe.

  238. Blink! by codehead42 · · Score: 1

    You might not be blinking enough. That's usually why my eyes burn when staring at the screen. Blinking seems to remedy the burning.

  239. ONLY ONE ANSWER by sexconker · · Score: 1

    AMBER ON BLACK

    And it better be a damned CRT that only DOES amber.
    Green on black is a close second, but the damned Matrix movie ruined it.

  240. white on deep night blue or violet by johnrpenner · · Score: 1

    keep coming back to it as easiest on the eyes -- white on deep night blue (RGB = 0, 20, 50) or white on violet (RGB = 30, 0, 55).

  241. VISINE by TwoTonTambo · · Score: 1

    for all of your burning eye needs ..

  242. DVI vs. VGA, Linux vs Windows by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have a dual monitor setup with identical LCD monitors, one connected to the DVI output and one connected to VGA. The DVI display is sharper than the VGA and tends to produce less eye strain.

    Now this sounds weird, but my eyes tend to hurt worse when I use Windows. Most of my development is done under Linux. But on occasion I need to do work on Windows and on those days I go home with a headache. Has anyone else experienced this? Any thoughts on what might cause this?

  243. This is a stupid thread by bizpat72 · · Score: 1

    I can't believe that such a stupid thread makes it to the front page. This is total pollution.

  244. Changing DPI much more difficult than you think by evilsofa · · Score: 1

    The root of the problem is the difficulty of changing the DPI. This wasn't an issue before with CRTs, because CRTs could perfectly display any resolution lower than its maximum, so changing the DPI wasn't ever necessary. LCDs, on the other hand, lose data if you display a resolution less than its maximum, because the pixels are a fixed grid; now being able to change DPI is highly desirable. Windows XP lets you change the default DPI in the Display control panel (Advanced button, General tab). However, changing the DPI even to 120, much less a custom setting, is poorly supported. I tried it for a day or two before going back to the default 96 DPI - you'll quickly see what I mean if you try it. I've heard it's a little better in Vista but still not good enough, though not having run Vista I can't speak for that. Apple calls the concept of being able to change DPI "resolution independence", and they were making a big push to having it in Mac OS X 10.4 but it got pushed back; then it was going to be in 10.5, but at this point they've admitted the problem is way more difficult and complicated than even they thought, and it's going to be a long haul for them to fix it. They appear to be genuinely working on solving it the right way no matter how long it takes; Steve Jobs' obsession with displaying fonts correctly is a good thing.

    1. Re:Changing DPI much more difficult than you think by LordMyren · · Score: 1

      I dont see the relevancy of DPI. My ask is simple:

      I want to be able to:
      1. Open MS Word/OpenOffice
      2. Set font size to 10
      3. Set font size to 10.2 and have it adjust all the text
      3. Set font size to 10.175 and have it adjust all the text
      4. Set font size to 10.165 and have it adjust all the text

      No mainstream/*nix operating system will render all these different font sizes as different sizes. I see no reason for this.

      Scaling applications to DPI is a separate problem, and one I believe HTML & SVG are very good at. I dont see how DPI is relevant to accurate sub-pixel font rendering, with the very specific exception of printing. If you can clarify how your post relate to sub pixel rendering I would be much obliged.

    2. Re:Changing DPI much more difficult than you think by BiggerIsBetter · · Score: 1

      No mainstream/*nix operating system will render all these different font sizes as different sizes. I see no reason for this.

      If that's true, something is broken... or maybe not, if you consider that a point (pt) is sometimes considered to be the smallest unit in typography.

      Scaling applications to DPI is a separate problem, and one I believe HTML & SVG are very good at. I dont see how DPI is relevant to accurate sub-pixel font rendering, with the very specific exception of printing. If you can clarify how your post relate to sub pixel rendering I would be much obliged.

      Perhaps you misunderstand the concept of font size, at least as it relates to DPI. A font size of 10 is most often 10 points rather than 10 pixels. A point is defined as 1/72 of an inch, so to display 10 point font correctly, it must be rendered 0.138 inches tall when viewed at 100% scaling. The DPI of the screen needs to be considered to render the font at the correct size, and the sub-pixel rendering is a factor when antialiasing the (often black/white) text on an LCD. Rendering pleasing and smooth fonts on an LCD is hard enough, and considering "non-standard" (eg, 96 DPI PC or the traditional 72 DPI Mac) scaling adds another layer of difficulty.

      Subpixel rendering is not a factor in printing however, although the DPI of the printer itself most definitely is.

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  245. Gray background, black text by eviljav · · Score: 1

    Hi, try dark gray background and black text - Not a bright background (like white) - that's a big glowing thing that hurts your eyes, but you need enough contrast between the text and background.

    However - as annoying as this may be, your eyes will probably be happier if you increase the size a few notches.

  246. My colors by rs79 · · Score: 1

    I use black letters on a medium gray background. On an interlaced dispay ("way back when") I used a turquoise on beige. It seemed to flicker less than anything else, I guess cause of the lack of contrast.

    Many many hours have been spent over decades tryig to work this question out and these colors are what I came up with.

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  247. Background color by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I tend to like my background color set to #E1FFF5, an aqua green. I've tried a lot of color schemes, and this one works for me.

  248. Color Scheme is nothing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    black on white is best.

    Keep your screen clean.
    Use a decently crisp monitor.
    Keep stress down.
    Don't do 14-18 hr marathon runs in front of the computer.
    Lastly, if you're following all this and still get headaches, chances are you need glasses.

  249. old skool by welsh+git · · Score: 1

    I use :

    xterm -bg black -fg green

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  250. You might want to start with impared vision tools. by mrmeval · · Score: 1

    Lighthouse has some excellent information on color and font choices.

    http://www.lighthouse.org/accessibility/legible/

    Someone in the Slashdot community must remember a specially spread and dithered truetype font that was intended for vision impaired folk. I recall having it and trying it in the 90's but at that time didn't need it and lost track of it. It seemed to work for me when I deliberately blurred my vision with a lens. Now that I'm older I've used the above site to help with my vision degradation but if someone has a pointer to that font I'd appreciate it since color choices and glasses only go so far.

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  251. Research shows... by original-occam · · Score: 1

    Sometime in the 1970s I participated in a study made at the Royal Institute of Technology (Stockholm, Sweden). Then it was found that a yellow(ish) text on a brown background was easiest on the eyes. The reason for this was/is that the human eyes are most sensitive in the yellow/neon wave-lenghts. Therefore the contrast between background and text, and the brightness of the screen could be set lower - and this made it possible to use the terminal for a longer time with no ill effects.
    This was done before colour terminals were available. A similar experiment today may well bring up an even better colour combination.

  252. Color theme smorgasboard by try_anything · · Score: 1

    Here are a bunch of choices. (See links to Lisp, Java, Latex, and Perl samples here.)

    The one I use is Jedit Gray, altered to use a slightly darker background. I bet you can achieve the same effect in Vim. (If not, neener neener neener!)

    Personally, for me, ambient light is a much bigger deal than the colors on the screen. I get eyestrain when my screen is significantly brighter than the room around me. Even when I'm staring directly at the screen for hours, my eyes seem to adjust themselves to the brightness of my surroundings instead of to the brightness of the screen.

    I first noticed this playing Doom fifteen years ago. When I got really tired near the end of a long session, I sometimes had to turn the lights on for bright maps.

  253. Re:In tune by LordMyren · · Score: 1

    Wait your clocks are driven by a crystal? I thought thats what crystals were for, generating clocks! </drunk engineering on a thursday>

  254. Re:In tune by tubapro12 · · Score: 1

    I was just thinking the same thing, I used to read music on my computer when I practiced tuba. Happens for TVs as well.

  255. look at mcedit colors, or "colorscheme far" in vim by baryluk · · Score: 1

    mcedit default syntax coloring is very eye friendly. it is based on some old editors like borland turbo pascal IDE. As far as i known there is colorscheme "far" which is very similar. Its good for working in day and in night, good contrast, and not distracting by too many colors.

  256. Dark Grey on Beige by Nemausa · · Score: 1

    I asked myself that question a few years back... and I find dark grey (basically black, but not 'solid' black) on beige background works pretty well for me. I also tend to turn the brightness of my screen down. It feels like reading pages on an old book.

  257. Green text, black background... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...all you'll ever need.

  258. Eyestrain products by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't know how, but I was going to return my 24' monitor because the burning made my eyes water after about 5 min. But then I gave this company a shot, http://www.quantumproducts.com/catalog/quantum_Monitor.html and I can now look at my monitor for long periods. I would say it reduced the eyestrain by 95%.

    Its not psychological either. I've forgotten to have it on at times and realized it quickly etc.

    Somehow, their stuff works.

  259. Gentlemen, a new slashdot record.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    6 comments before a sarcastic one, call Guinness!

  260. Light Blue but DPI is probably more important by JoeSilva · · Score: 1

    Based on the fact the sky is light blue and some vauge memories of that color being used in buildings as a calming background, I gave it a try for my VIM windows and it was more agreeable.

    However I think DPI could be more important as it certainly is harder to read smaller print and scalling fonts is not practical when switching from the old typical 72dpi to the 92dpi like I saw on a recent Dell Ultrasharp 25". I found a 25.5" Samsung LCD that has the same resolution is closer to the 72dpi and is alot less strain on my eyes.

  261. grey on grey by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've always found a dark grey or black on alight grey to be quite easy on the eyes (low contrast both). Having said that, I use white on black in vim.

  262. Finally... someone who's like me! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I see flickr on the internet all the time.

    Maybe I'm crazy, too!

  263. simple answer by monkeySauce · · Score: 1

    For vim, I use the koehler color scheme. I find it to be easy on the eyes for long periods of time.

    1. Re:simple answer by dacaldar · · Score: 1

      Definitely. I discovered it years ago and the first thing I do when I sit down on a new system (besides install gvim) is edit _vimrc (or .vimrc) with
      :colors koehler

  264. Traditional... by ohxten · · Score: 1

    I like white background, black text.

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  265. Change schemes regularly by Grail · · Score: 1

    On my Mac, when I get tired of reading black-on-white, I just hit Ctrl+Option+Command+8 Also helps for reading gaming web sites at work :)

  266. grey on gray by Khashishi · · Score: 1

    Go with grey on gray. Some weirdos use gray on grey, but they are headed for early blindness. Just stick with the tried and true grey on gray.

  267. Easy on the eyes by thethibs · · Score: 1

    You definitely want to experiment with the brightness and contrast on your monitor. That may be all you need.

    As to color manipulation, that work was done a long time ago, but I can't remember by who. The "easy eye" color combination was navy blue on powder green, text=0,0,64, screen=255,208,255.

    I have the same problem and find that mix much more soothing on the eyes.

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    1. Re:Easy on the eyes by thethibs · · Score: 1

      Sorry: it's screen=208,255,208

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  268. One reason for the strain by ImperiousMan · · Score: 1

    The human eye not only needs to adjust focus based on distance, but also on colour as different wavelengths refract at different angles (a phenomena exploited in certain opticians' tests) It follows that having blue text next to red will strain the eye, because the eye will need to change the focal distance when switching between the two. I just viewed a single blue line of text, amongst other red lines. I did indeed notice that the blue appeared slightly blurry. Perhaps a single colour (green?) on a black background would provide the least focal problems. To compensate for other strains, the background could be lightened slightly?

  269. White on a super bright screen can cause that... by st33med · · Score: 1

    I remember seeing this Python tutorial site saying they changed it the background was to 'glaring' (assuming it was a white-ish color). They switched to a light purpleish-pink color. Try that. The site: http://www.freenetpages.co.uk/hp/alan.gauld/

  270. Against the common consensus... by master_runner · · Score: 1

    I've always liked light colors on dark blue, such as the Cobalt theme for InType. screenshot

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  271. My bias by Vexorian · · Score: 1
    meh thinking a color scheme will work for everyone is a little crazy, I'll just post what I use:
    • White background
    • Normal black text for things not mentioned later.
    • Bold black text for structure keywords like def, for, while, if, ...
    • Bold blueish text for types.
    • Dark Bluish text for values.
    • Same color but italic for strings
    • Comments must be sort of olive
    • Well, some times I use dark orange for values
    • Oh and gray for preprocessor stuff.
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  272. use 37" LCD 1080p TV and sit three feet back. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sitting a few feet away from the monitor helps your eye strain the best. 37" LCDs are just as cheap as much smaller monitors and the viewing quality is just as good if you sit back a bit.

    1. Re:use 37" LCD 1080p TV and sit three feet back. by cryoknight · · Score: 0

      Exactly...

      I have a 22" monitor at home. I never get eyestrain, even if I'm on it all day. I probably sit with my eyes about 3' away from it. At work, when I first got upgraded to a 24" monitor, I started getting eyestrain after a day or two. My desk was very narrow. Thankfully, we had another unused desk with a keyboard drawer. I switched desks, which placed me about 1' further than I was sitting previously (so now about 3' away again). Problem solved. I code all day, and can still use my computer at home after work while feeling fine.

  273. It's layout, not color by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Use the same font and layout seen here on /. Some coders use a small font and type wide lines of text on the full width of the screen. Better to use the Blue Mood theme on Emacs with bold font in 80x25 layout. As some old unix guy once said, code should be written for humans to read and only incidently for machines to execute.

  274. best light b/g zenburn'ish scheme for office by rmmst49 · · Score: 1

    so, i love zenburn. its the best dark background scheme i've seen. but, it's not good for a brightly lit office, or next to a window. so, what's a color scheme with a light background that someone as put zenburn levels of thought and polish into? a zenburn light?

  275. Use lower wave lengths by dave87656 · · Score: 1

    I've heard that its better to use lower wave lengths and lower intensity for your background color and higher wave lengths or mixtures for the forground color. The greater the contrast between the two colors the better.

    Don't know if this really works, but using colors like blue and purple seem to strain my eye whereas using yellow for the background and black for the foreground is easier on the eyes.

    Finally, some eye strain comes from the fact that we tend to blink less when staring at the screen. It helps to consciously blink to keep the eyes watered.

    Disclaimer: I'm not an eye doctor though I play one on TV.

  276. Focus, not Strain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If there's one thing I notice about all this talk of color schemes is that the issue being discussed is the issue of strain on the eyes, and not focus.
    To me, the idea behind a custom color scheme is to distinguish various parts of your code from one another, not so much provide less strain in long coding sessions; i.e. browsability vs. readability.
    With that said, I don't think even the popular zenburn is a silver bullet for anyone. Everyone reads code differently, so everyone needs different things to stick out to them. I would even go so far as to say that any decent developer should have multiple color schemes at their disposal for different situations. If you're reading through code you've never seen before, go with your old standby. If you're digging for typos in text, you'll want a scheme that emphasizes strings. When refactoring, you may want a scheme that causes identifiers to stick out.
    As far a eye strain goes, I'm like most, I don't know the research, but from what I've read, I think I'd go with a few rules:
    1) Dark or gray background is best
    2) Pastels on gray make for a calm, cool look
    3) As noted above, go for a scheme that emphasizes the specific syntactic features of your languages that you tend to look for, to make browsing unfamiliar code easier for you.

  277. VIM? Dark blue or Koehler color scheme by flnca · · Score: 1

    Blue and Peachpuff are also easy on the eyes. A popular color scheme pack for VIM (see VIM website) included a scheme called Buttercream, which also was quite nice. I change color scheme as soon as my eyes feel uncomfortable. But in a sense, it's always a sign of being tired. I hope you were talking about GVIM not VIM, because in an ANSI terminal, VIM cannot set the colors that it wants. If a GUI is available, use GVIM instead of VIM (GVIM is the GUI version of VIM).

  278. Backlighting by humbro · · Score: 1

    I notice that if the wall behind my screen is too dark my eyes become strained more easily. During daylight I don't have much trouble, but after dark or on cloudy days the normal light fixture (above and behind me) isn't enough or causes glare. Pointing my desk lamp at the wall behind my screen helps. An additional benefit is that, at this very moment, the moth that would be fluttering at my screen is now meeting a crispy demise...

  279. Dark blue with light yellow font by iamapizza · · Score: 1

    A dark/navy blue background with light yellow font colors is rather easy on the eyes. Consolas is a good true-type font; that helps as well.
    Try something similar to this:
    http://www.slimcode.com/cs/blogs/martin/archive/2006/11/26/My-Coding-Font-and-Colors.aspx
    It is a Visual Studio theme but you can always get the colors that you need out or get an idea of what you can experiment with.

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  280. Same colors for 10 years by drew · · Score: 1

    I've been using the same ViM color scheme since my first programming job 10 years ago, 8 xterm colors (+bold), light on dark. I can't imagine that the 8 xterm colors are the most ideal, but I've tried evaluating new ones many times since, and nothing ever looks right to me, or really seems to make my eyes feel any better. (That's not strictly true. About 3 years ago, I developed a high color version of my original color scheme that "squished" the previous theme into about half of the HSV spectrum, so the new colors are all greens, blues, and purples, with the color relationships still the same-ish. But I still prefer the old low color version for some languages.)

    I've found that there are a lot of other factors that have a much higher impact than my color scheme.

    1) Monitor quality. For years I used a beast of a 21" monitor from NEC, now replaced by a Dell 24". Both are excellent monitors, and the NEC might even be worth the back problems I'm sure it gave me.
    2) Font. I've spent far more time searching for the perfect font than for the perfect color scheme. In fact I eventually went so far as to make my own. I've noticed that my font size has gone up a bit over time as well - No more nexus for me. In general, I've moved from primarily pixel fonts - great for fitting a lot on the screen while still being readable - to ClearType fonts, which I find much easier to look at for long periods of time. (One of my primary motivations for creating my own font was because I had a hard time finding a monospace font that still looked good at lower point sizes.) Some of my other favorites (since I'm not willing to subject mine to public scrutiny just yet) are Consolas and "Envy Code R". Andale Mono and Bitstream Vera Sans Mono get an honorable mention.
    3) Lighting. There is a lot to be said here, and much of it has already been said. But IMO, above all else, indirect lighting is king.
    4) and finally, Blink!

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  281. Emo by dinker · · Score: 1

    I find black text on a black background very soothing.

  282. If you use glasses... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    have your considered getting a computer specific prescription?

    Eye strain (blurry vision, head aches, etc.) are typically caused by the muscles in your eyes becoming tired for over work. Colors are not really going to affect that.

    If you are myopic, then your glasses are probably setup to allow for easiest focusing at objects several meters away from you. Since your monitors are probably only a meter (or less) from your head, your eyes are working to focus down to a closer object. A computer prescription will be setup to allow for most relaxed eye focusing within a meter, thus making your eyes work less to focus on the screen. Additionally, getting a high index of refraction lens with an anti-glare coating will diminish outside irritants to your vision.

    Avoid wearing contact lenses as your eyes are going to work harder to focus with them over traditional glasses. And finally, consider not staring at your screen for hours on end. Our ancestors did not sit around looking at fixed stationary objects for 8, 10, 12 hours a day, but rather were constantly scanning their surroundings. As such our eyes are not designed for focusing at fixed distances for prolonged periods of time, so try and look up from your screen and look around once in a while. That might help.

    As for colors, I lean towards green on black background.

  283. Monitors and Lights by Adam+Jorgensen · · Score: 1

    Good monitors definitely help. I personally find that ambient lighting and glare plays a huge role. Any kind of glare or reflection on my screen drives me crazy...

  284. Re:Color Schemes -- but fewer are better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    >Last time, I found a page that shows samples of hundreds of VIM color schemes

    I have been working with mcedit since 1999. Initially I just used whatever syntax highlighting it shipped with, but soon others claimed "that's quite colorful there", and over time, I gradually *decreased* the number of visible colors.
    Just a very few categories:

    - default color
    - operators and keywords (functions like open() in C and Perl I do *not* consider keywords) - in fact, not giving functions a color is a big win in having less tutti-frutti on your screen
    - parentheses, semicolon (C) in a color that harmonizes with the background
    - perhaps something for strings
    - perhaps something for preprocessor (where applicable)
    - comments

  285. Thanks. Insults always work to make your point. by mario_grgic · · Score: 2, Insightful

    but on the other hand Apple's font rendering looks worse than on Linux or even Java's on Mac OS X, and sadly Microsoft is out of their league.

    And Mac users that fervently deny there is a problem at all and will gladly bend over and take what ever Apple is giving them, and this will ensure Apple's font rendering stays like this.

    Sad, because the platform is nice otherwise.

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  286. wheat on dark slate green by jonadab · · Score: 1

    You want a relatively low contrast (but not so low it's hard to distinguish), with the darker color in the background and the lighter one in the foreground. I like to keep the background to #294D4A, and the main foreground color to #FFE6BC. Make sure your refresh rate is at least 80Hz, and make sure there are no fluorescent lights in the room to create flicker.

    Oh, and set your font size large enough, and the font face to a suitable setting, so that you can comfortably see the difference between any two characters easily at a glance, then increase the font size by two more points. If your monitor's smaller than 18-inch viewable, replace it. Avoid widescreen, because for code the amount of vertical space is more critical; you need enough lines that you can fit a whole function on the screen at once, preferably two.

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  287. Not sure about best... by idfubar · · Score: 0

    ...but I recall a set of defaults when I was at UCB which consisted of a black background, white foreground, & red cursor. The files you would need to setup the other colors (pattern matching and whatnot) are (for the moment) at 'http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~rchopra/tools/emacs.code-colors.rar'.

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  288. light on dark, every time by doom · · Score: 1

    I go with light text on a black background, every time. I often use a bright green, but there are a lot of options that work: pale purple, white, light gray, light blue...

    The current era of white-on-black appears to be a cute imitation of the dead trees world (in spite of the fact that dead trees don't glow, not even around Cherynobl). I once managed to find information about one study that supported using light backgrounds, but it sounded ancient: in an industrial setting you could lower the error rate by reducing the effects of reflections on the screen by giving the user the third degree.

    Anyway, my current .emacs includes:
    ; Provides a (base?) color scheme for additional frames:
    (add-to-list 'default-frame-alist
    '(foreground-color . "Thistle"))
    (add-to-list 'default-frame-alist
    '(background-color . "Black"))
    (add-to-list 'default-frame-alist
    '(cursor-color . "Orchid"))
    (add-to-list 'default-frame-alist '(mouse-color
    . "GreenYellow"))
    (add-to-list 'default-frame-alist
    '(border-color . "DarkOliveGreen"))
    (add-to-list 'default-frame-alist
    '(border-color . "Thistle"))
    ;Highlighting the region
    (transient-mark-mode t)
    (set-face-foreground 'region "Black")
    (set-face-background 'region "DarkOliveGreen")
    ; (Redundant now, but I'm leaving them
    ; enabled because they
    ; set the background color to black faster
    ; before the above default-frame-alist
    ; colors kick in.)
    (set-foreground-color "Thistle")
    (set-background-color "Black")
    (set-cursor-color "Orchid")
    (set-mouse-color "GreenYellow")
    (set-face-foreground 'modeline "Black")
    (set-face-background 'modeline "DarkSlateBlue")
    ; This sets the text color for highlighted text
    ;(e.g. when running ispell)
    (set-face-foreground 'highlight "PaleGreen")
    (set-face-background 'highlight "BlueViolet")
    (show-paren-mode)
    (set-face-foreground 'show-paren-match-face "PaleGreen")
    (set-face-background 'show-paren-match-face "BlueViolet")
    (set-face-foreground 'show-paren-mismatch-face "yellow")
    (set-face-background 'show-paren-mismatch-face "firebrick")

  289. Green / Yellow by poker-pauly · · Score: 0

    I wish I'd kept a link to the study I read years ago about this subject but in a nutshell it said that Black on White was optimum for reflective surfaces, such as newsprint, but for looking at a light source for long periods of time the optimum is Dark Green on a very Light Yellow. That's how I have all my browser settings and that's how I have all my websites as well. http://www.kygallery.com/

  290. A cure from a physician who codes: Blink & Hol by Praxiteles · · Score: 1
    (From a physician trained at Northwestern, in medicine for over 15 years, also a routine coder)

    The burning in your eyes is caused by the surface of your eyes drying. The drying is caused by persistent attention to the screen during which time you blink less frequently thus spreading less tears across the surface of the eye.

    To cure this you need to do more than trying to blink more often.

    When you feel the burning (or as often as you can think of it) - close your eyes and hold them closed. If you have caught the process early enough, you will feel the burning fade as tears soak back into the conjunctiva of your eye. The feeling of relief is immense.

    As a physician using computers for long periods of time, the feeling of relief is immense. The technique has worked for years. It has only failed if the eyes dry out too much originally. At that point, inflammation has set in and it takes much longer to resolve.

    Changing monitor colors will work only if it encourages you to "blink and hold" more often.

  291. This gets slashdotted? There are studies all over! by GoingLikeSixty · · Score: 1
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  293. grey is the answer... (not white) by Tomahawk · · Score: 1

    No matter what monitor I use, I always configure my colours to remove a white background, and replace it with light grey instead.

    Reading on a white monitor is like looking at a light bulb. It stresses the eyes as they try to compensate for the brightness, while still trying to be able to read the black.

    When you change to a light grey, you can feel your eyes relax.

    My standard is black on light-grey, or light-grey on black (on an xterm type window).

    Even now, I'm typing into a box with is light grey, but the /. background is white, and I can feel it on my eyes.

    Another thing is to ensure you have adequate light in the room. Coding in a dark room with a bright monitor also places additional strain on the eyes. Having a light turned on will also reduce the strain.

    Oh, and use an LCD monitor instead of a CRT. Less radiation and magnetic fields to interfere with the eyes.

    Ensure the refresh rate is also optimal (60Hz on an LCD, as high as possible on a CRT)

    T.

  294. Re:Yellow on Blue, look at the old monitor designs by mgcarley · · Score: 1

    Also I think its much nicer to look at a display that is set to between 75-85% brightness versus 100% brightness!

    Having just told my OS to set my HP Business Notebook with the matte screen to 75%, I feel much better looking at it, since I just realized my cow-irkers have their f/&Â%ing fluorescent bulbs on (I'm pushing to get them changed to halogen). Mine are off, but I can still see theirs. Maybe I should turn my desk around to face away.

    My Math teacher in High-School would never let us work with the lights on because it degraded our performance, and to this day, I like that kind of environment. (Like most of you, I was in the advanced math class... we had to bring up the averages ;))

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    Founder & COO, Hayai India (hayai.in) / USA (hayaibroadband.com) // t: @mgcarley
  295. Re:Yellow on Blue, look at the old monitor designs by MrEd · · Score: 1

    mgcarley, good luck with the glare-hunting, it's tricky to get rid of entirely.

    A rule of thumb is to try and orient yourself so any bright lights shine at you from the side.

    If you're facing them, they'll be in your peripheral vision, if you face away, they'll reflect back at you in your monitor. If you're surrounded by bright lights, well, good luck!

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    Wah!