No, if they did, anyone could understand what is going on. They speak legalese, the language crafted to assure that everyone is guilty of something... If I can find you guilty of something, there a pretty good chance you'll shut up and go away rather than risk drawing attention to yourself by meddling with my plans.
...Now, their South Korean and Singaporean cronies on the other hand, are stupid enough, and they are opposed to transparency -- because they lose so much money to counterfeiting!</sarcasm>
I get the sarcasm, but that is an interesting thought. I wonder how much sales tax, withholding type taxes, health care and retirement contributions, permission to exist as a business permits, etc. the organizations that produce retail targeted, unauthorized products (bootleg DVD's, software, etc.), do contribute to their country. In China I would expect it to be large, as there is that whole "violators will be shot" enforcement system. But normal countries that have these operations running must at least claim to consider them criminal enterprises, even if it is winked at later. Someone is doing printing and molding packages, pressing disks, packing boxes, etc.... and that just digital stuff, there is a huge amount of counterfeit clothing, antiques, hell, anything that worth a buck, basically. I bet a lot of national revenue is just "missed" by being under the table from the start.
It is simply that the user of the service knows with better than 98% certainty WHAT the experience will be. The user knows the food, the prices, the environment, before they even pull into the parking lot.
To expand globally McDonalds had to introduce new products to appeal to differing tastes in different countries.
I agree. If I were traveling in India I would not expect an experience matching my US McDonald's background. But I would expect the experience of McDonald's in India to be consistent from location to location. That's the only way the mother company can protect it's brand identity.
Linus gave me a cow, Stallman donated the iron for utensils (I though about reversing that but I get this metal image of RMS as an herbivore), so I could do it all myself
That is an accurate analogy for what distros do. Installing Linux is a one-off problem, and you can get it- pre-installed from some vendors. How much the fragmentation of Android matter depends on how badly people want a single Andriod app store.
And there it is. For the typical user, they don't want to think about a sub-type of a brand. "Sally has this cool app on her Android phone but for some reason I can't have it on mine... and that pisses me off... I should have bought an iPhone". With everyone able to release their own version, Joe Cheeseburger has no idea what the fuck is going on. He just wants a cool phone like his friends... So he will end up with someone that protects their brand identity.
It's only those of us that love to get our digital fingernails dirty that embrace the idea of diversity in things like operating systems software. Most people use embedded Linux everyday and they are totally unaware of it. As Joe Cheeseburger I think that if for some reason I HAD to be aware of what exact software a gas pump, ATM, or my wireless router was using... well I would run screaming into the arms of whoever would get that stuff out of my face. I already have things to do. I want to open a box, put in some batteries, an get the experience I expect from a phone, an internet device, or even a desktop computer.
Unless Android can find a way to deliver consistency to the 99% of people that just want the phone to work as expected, I fear it will stumble and fall as a commercial phone OS. The people can't control the fragmentation, neither can developers. It's the suits that think locking people into their network/app store/data service is a viable profit option. As we have seen in the past, these assholes tend to keep a death grip on a bad idea until death forces them to collect their last bonuses and close the doors. Google MAYBE could come up with a basic set of standards and requirements and call it "Certified" but I don't know if they could pull it off.
And if that was the end-all and be-all of market success, Apple and MacOS would be on top.
ME
EVERY real Mac head I knew bailed out when it was no longer Mac. You do remember the
transition to UNIX, right?
YOU
Moot point. We're not talking about the Mac faithful. We're talking market share.
Nooo... we're talking about consistency (you quoted me, remember?). Tossing your whole OS in the crapper after 15 years is (back to food) like McDonald's going vegan and changing to "The Magenta Arches".
Mac stats are often "qualified" or "adjusted" but this graph shows the 1999 transition as well as anything I've seen. There are about ten more pages preceding it... but the light doesn't get better. Even if Macs 2005 share doubled it comes no where near the percentage (i.e "share") of "the faithful" back in 1995.
...I just wish more people could experience the freedom of using a computer without using antivirus and all the other band aids required to just keep the system functional...
I second your wish. But to make it happen (or to make Android a major player in the phone market[insert_topic_points{grin}]) there would have to be some STANDARD that could bare a mark or logo telling "Joe Cheeseburger" (all rights reserved) that this item will perform in a manner that he can deal with (probably via his buddy the geek [that would be us]) as easily as the last item he dealt with(WinWhatEVER most likely).
Oh, if we do get more than 5% desktop market share we will need anti-virus, bet on it. The crooks could not care less about what OS we run, they want money.
I agree, there are better choices available today. It was not innovation or even customer demand so much as bad press about fast food that brought this about. Still, when you get that salad, the lettuce will not be "rusty" (oxidized brown/orange) looking and the tomatoes will be in good condition, almost always. Because serving substandard food will get them in hot water with HQ, and I have seen franchises shut down for bending the rules. There can be no such protection for FOSS, due to it's nature.
Actually, I don't generally eat from chain fast food places either. But I just dropped my favorite diner because the food has become inconsistent. I tell my friends the place is great, they go and it's not so good. Then I go and it's not as good as the last time, after a few such events I stop recommending them, a few more and I stop going and start looking for a new place.
If I tell my friend my Android phone is great, they get a different Android phone and are unhappy, do you think I will recommend something as generic as an "Android phone" again? Nope. I will tell them I am happy with model X on provider Y and that right there loses most users. And no, I don't have an iPhone... just a cheapo LG that does what I need it to do. Consistently.
This is essentially the same problem that desktop linux has.
Not only that, it also strengthens Microsoft Windows and to a lesser extent Apple OSX. The end user is not interested in making choices or freedom from restrictions. They want something that will consistently allow them to do whatever it is that they do.
This basic need is the reason McDonald's has such a large presence in the US food service market. It's not the number of stores supporting their bottom line. It's not that they provide fine dining. It's not the taste or quality of their products. It's not even the price.
It is simply that the user of the service knows with better than 98% certainty WHAT the experience will be. The user knows the food, the prices, the environment, before they even pull into the parking lot.
The reason I don't try the small unknown diner three blocks from the interstate when traveling through a town I'm unfamiliar with is that there are too many variables (including what kind of neighborhood am I getting into) that must align for me to have a positive experience. If I am seeking food adventures I will have done some homework and will also be prepared for a possibly disappointing meal/check/service event. If I'm traveling for non pleasure reasons I want to keep going, not go on safari along the way.
Desktop Linux is not just that unknown diner, I also have to know someone who has been there just to find the parking lot (speaking as a regular retail computer user). I'm probably going to have to cook for myself, and impose on someone for help. If I want my cheeseburger, I don't want to have to learn meat packing first. I don't want to have to cast an iron griddle on which I can cook. Linus gave me a cow, Stallman donated the iron for utensils (I though about reversing that but I get this metal image of RMS as an herbivore), so I could do it all myself. But Apple has a Big Mac and Microsoft has the Whooper any way I want it.
If Android goes the fragmentation route of Linux it can only be good news for the major players.
Thank providence you had a period and not a comma dividing that string. Using the phrase "good faith" too close to the designator "lawyer" can have dreadful karmic consequn
Let me know when they can make fuel from cellulite, that should solve America's dependence on foreign fuel supplies for quite some time.... I'll do my part, converting potatoes into fuel one delicious french fry at a time
Bare in mind you may need a "break before make" relay and you still want a short term UPS while the generator fires up. Also, it's a good thing to have a big propane tank that can't "grow legs" and wander off to someone's backyard grill.
I understand each of the words. I can pronounce all the syllables. Yet this string will not register in my brain... It's as if this arrangement of characters should not be. Like some great sacrilege has sprung into being.
We do, it's a pain in the ass doing it over and over in a shop but you're right, the process is normally painless as a one time deal. We DID have times when swapping a mobo and doing a reinstall screwed us because the bios sig on the new mobo did not work with the OEM reinstall disk. At that point MS would tell us that the license was valid for one piece of hardware and could not be installed on another "system"...
That makes no sense at all. A Reverse Bank would take your money and give nothing in return, whereas a Bank takes your money and... uhh... never mind...
We hear your concerns and we are instituting a remediation program immediately! You should shortly be receiving a package via USPS bulk rate. In it you will find a shovel, a radiation detection badge, and a large zippered radiation proof bag.
Directions
Take the shovel and dig a "Safety" hole three feet wide, 4 to 6 feet deep, and about as long as you are tall. Put on the detection badge. Please wear the detection badge at all times. You will note the badge has the words "Hell No, We Don't Glow" printed on it. If those words fad out OR if the badge does in fact begin to glow you should take the bag and climb into the Safety Hole. Get in the bag and zipper it up from the inside to keep the radiation out. Now lay quietly in the bottom of the Safety Hole until help arrives.
Oh, what have we come to when fine confectioner's are sued for copy right violation? Then again, maybe it is part of a well thought out plan to transport unauthorized copies of music encoded into the sugar matrix of the chocolate!
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Wow, I remember Eddy Currents from the 80's man. Is he still working with Lenz's Law? They was just awesome... I love the copper tube bit.
A concatenation of Entropy and Energy. It will cost a lot, slowly fall apart, and in the end go broke and leave you to clean up the mess.
They speak English on What?
No, if they did, anyone could understand what is going on. They speak legalese, the language crafted to assure that everyone is guilty of something... If I can find you guilty of something, there a pretty good chance you'll shut up and go away rather than risk drawing attention to yourself by meddling with my plans.
...Now, their South Korean and Singaporean cronies on the other hand, are stupid enough, and they are opposed to transparency -- because they lose so much money to counterfeiting!</sarcasm>
I get the sarcasm, but that is an interesting thought. I wonder how much sales tax, withholding type taxes, health care and retirement contributions, permission to exist as a business permits, etc. the organizations that produce retail targeted, unauthorized products (bootleg DVD's, software, etc.), do contribute to their country. In China I would expect it to be large, as there is that whole "violators will be shot" enforcement system. But normal countries that have these operations running must at least claim to consider them criminal enterprises, even if it is winked at later. Someone is doing printing and molding packages, pressing disks, packing boxes, etc.... and that just digital stuff, there is a huge amount of counterfeit clothing, antiques, hell, anything that worth a buck, basically. I bet a lot of national revenue is just "missed" by being under the table from the start.
It is simply that the user of the service knows with better than 98% certainty WHAT the experience will be. The user knows the food, the prices, the environment, before they even pull into the parking lot.
To expand globally McDonalds had to introduce new products to appeal to differing tastes in different countries.
I agree. If I were traveling in India I would not expect an experience matching my US McDonald's background. But I would expect the experience of McDonald's in India to be consistent from location to location. That's the only way the mother company can protect it's brand identity.
Linus gave me a cow, Stallman donated the iron for utensils (I though about reversing that but I get this metal image of RMS as an herbivore), so I could do it all myself
That is an accurate analogy for what distros do. Installing Linux is a one-off problem, and you can get it- pre-installed from some vendors. How much the fragmentation of Android matter depends on how badly people want a single Andriod app store.
And there it is. For the typical user, they don't want to think about a sub-type of a brand. "Sally has this cool app on her Android phone but for some reason I can't have it on mine... and that pisses me off... I should have bought an iPhone".
With everyone able to release their own version, Joe Cheeseburger has no idea what the fuck is going on. He just wants a cool phone like his friends... So he will end up with someone that protects their brand identity.
It's only those of us that love to get our digital fingernails dirty that embrace the idea of diversity in things like operating systems software. Most people use embedded Linux everyday and they are totally unaware of it.
As Joe Cheeseburger I think that if for some reason I HAD to be aware of what exact software a gas pump, ATM, or my wireless router was using... well I would run screaming into the arms of whoever would get that stuff out of my face. I already have things to do. I want to open a box, put in some batteries, an get the experience I expect from a phone, an internet device, or even a desktop computer.
Unless Android can find a way to deliver consistency to the 99% of people that just want the phone to work as expected, I fear it will stumble and fall as a commercial phone OS. The people can't control the fragmentation, neither can developers. It's the suits that think locking people into their network/app store/data service is a viable profit option. As we have seen in the past, these assholes tend to keep a death grip on a bad idea until death forces them to collect their last bonuses and close the doors. Google MAYBE could come up with a basic set of standards and requirements and call it "Certified" but I don't know if they could pull it off.
Consistency sells, and it garners referral sales.
YOU
And if that was the end-all and be-all of market success, Apple and MacOS would be on top.
ME
EVERY real Mac head I knew bailed out when it was no longer Mac. You do remember the transition to UNIX, right?
YOU
Moot point. We're not talking about the Mac faithful. We're talking market share.
Nooo... we're talking about consistency (you quoted me, remember?). Tossing your whole OS in the crapper after 15 years is (back to food) like McDonald's going vegan and changing to "The Magenta Arches".
Mac stats are often "qualified" or "adjusted" but this graph shows the 1999 transition as well as anything I've seen. There are about ten more pages preceding it... but the light doesn't get better. Even if Macs 2005 share doubled it comes no where near the percentage (i.e "share") of "the faithful" back in 1995.
...I just wish more people could experience the freedom of using a computer without using antivirus and all the other band aids required to just keep the system functional...
I second your wish. But to make it happen (or to make Android a major player in the phone market[insert_topic_points{grin}]) there would have to be some STANDARD that could bare a mark or logo telling "Joe Cheeseburger" (all rights reserved) that this item will perform in a manner that he can deal with (probably via his buddy the geek [that would be us]) as easily as the last item he dealt with(WinWhatEVER most likely).
Oh, if we do get more than 5% desktop market share we will need anti-virus, bet on it. The crooks could not care less about what OS we run, they want money.
EVERY real Mac head I knew bailed out when it was no longer Mac. You do remember the transition to UNIX, right?
I agree, there are better choices available today. It was not innovation or even customer demand so much as bad press about fast food that brought this about. Still, when you get that salad, the lettuce will not be "rusty" (oxidized brown/orange) looking and the tomatoes will be in good condition, almost always. Because serving substandard food will get them in hot water with HQ, and I have seen franchises shut down for bending the rules. There can be no such protection for FOSS, due to it's nature.
Actually, I don't generally eat from chain fast food places either. But I just dropped my favorite diner because the food has become inconsistent. I tell my friends the place is great, they go and it's not so good. Then I go and it's not as good as the last time, after a few such events I stop recommending them, a few more and I stop going and start looking for a new place.
If I tell my friend my Android phone is great, they get a different Android phone and are unhappy, do you think I will recommend something as generic as an "Android phone" again? Nope. I will tell them I am happy with model X on provider Y and that right there loses most users. And no, I don't have an iPhone... just a cheapo LG that does what I need it to do.
Consistently.
This is essentially the same problem that desktop linux has.
Not only that, it also strengthens Microsoft Windows and to a lesser extent Apple OSX.
The end user is not interested in making choices or freedom from restrictions. They want something that will consistently allow them to do whatever it is that they do.
This basic need is the reason McDonald's has such a large presence in the US food service market.
It's not the number of stores supporting their bottom line.
It's not that they provide fine dining.
It's not the taste or quality of their products.
It's not even the price.
It is simply that the user of the service knows with better than 98% certainty WHAT the experience will be. The user knows the food, the prices, the environment, before they even pull into the parking lot.
The reason I don't try the small unknown diner three blocks from the interstate when traveling through a town I'm unfamiliar with is that there are too many variables (including what kind of neighborhood am I getting into) that must align for me to have a positive experience. If I am seeking food adventures I will have done some homework and will also be prepared for a possibly disappointing meal/check/service event. If I'm traveling for non pleasure reasons I want to keep going, not go on safari along the way.
Desktop Linux is not just that unknown diner, I also have to know someone who has been there just to find the parking lot (speaking as a regular retail computer user). I'm probably going to have to cook for myself, and impose on someone for help. If I want my cheeseburger, I don't want to have to learn meat packing first. I don't want to have to cast an iron griddle on which I can cook. Linus gave me a cow, Stallman donated the iron for utensils (I though about reversing that but I get this metal image of RMS as an herbivore), so I could do it all myself. But Apple has a Big Mac and Microsoft has the Whooper any way I want it.
If Android goes the fragmentation route of Linux it can only be good news for the major players.
Consistency sells, and it garners referral sales.
...or have I just been whooshed?
No, you have performed the "Reverse Whoosh".
I give you an 8.6
What kind of women are they interviewing?
Imaginary.
Thank providence you had a period and not a comma dividing that string.
Using the phrase "good faith" too close to the designator "lawyer" can have dreadful karmic consequn
Let me know when they can make fuel from cellulite, that should solve America's dependence on foreign fuel supplies for quite some time.... I'll do my part, converting potatoes into fuel one delicious french fry at a time
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Flatulated Pants!
That doesn't sound like something a 30-person company could pull off. Or are you just incredibly competent?
That may be true, but I would go with propane anyway. Stored oil or gasoline can get nasty, and some events that take out the power may take out natural gas supplies also. A 17kW (140 amp/120VAC) propane or natural gas unit is about $3600. If they can't manage that then a 10kW (80 amp/120VAC) less then $2800. If you look on Amazon you may also find other units that will suffice. Many with free shipping.
Bare in mind you may need a "break before make" relay and you still want a short term UPS while the generator fires up. Also, it's a good thing to have a big propane tank that can't "grow legs" and wander off to someone's backyard grill.
I sure am glad I have Vista!!!
I understand each of the words.
I can pronounce all the syllables.
Yet this string will not register in my brain...
It's as if this arrangement of characters should not be.
Like some great sacrilege has sprung into being.
We do, it's a pain in the ass doing it over and over in a shop but you're right, the process is normally painless as a one time deal. We DID have times when swapping a mobo and doing a reinstall screwed us because the bios sig on the new mobo did not work with the OEM reinstall disk. At that point MS would tell us that the license was valid for one piece of hardware and could not be installed on another "system"...
That makes no sense at all. A Reverse Bank would take your money and give nothing in return,
whereas a Bank takes your money and...
uhh...
never mind...
"Wookiee" has been changed to "hair challenged animal" and that the entire cast has been digitally replaced by Ewoks.
DAMN IT! Why can't they just leave stuff alone.
"Ewok sex" is not nearly as much fun to say as "Wookiee Nooky"...
We hear your concerns and we are instituting a remediation program immediately! You should shortly be receiving a package via USPS bulk rate. In it you will find a shovel, a radiation detection badge, and a large zippered radiation proof bag.
Directions
Take the shovel and dig a "Safety" hole three feet wide, 4 to 6 feet deep, and about as long as you are tall.
Put on the detection badge. Please wear the detection badge at all times.
You will note the badge has the words "Hell No, We Don't Glow" printed on it.
If those words fad out OR if the badge does in fact begin to glow you should take the bag and climb into the Safety Hole.
Get in the bag and zipper it up from the inside to keep the radiation out. Now lay quietly in the bottom of the Safety Hole until help arrives.
Thanks for your cooperation.
Well, you can patronize one of these fine content providers!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_assets_owned_by_News_Corporation
Hurry, he's almost 80, the clock ticks on, and he can't spin that no matter what.
Oh, what have we come to when fine confectioner's are sued for copy right violation? Then again, maybe it is part of a well thought out plan to transport unauthorized copies of music encoded into the sugar matrix of the chocolate!
TCP/oDC (over Delicious Candy) ?