You mean that trained older auto-tech brains, when confronted with an familiar, engaging mechanical car engine stimulated more of the brain than when they tested young subjects who had essentially no concept of the depth of information that was available in that vehicle.
You mean that trained older doctor brains, when confronted with an familiar, engaging biochemical patient stimulated more of the brain than when they tested young subjects who had essentially no concept of the depth of information that was available in a person's anatomy.
I am shocked with this discovery. Shocked, I tell you. We should spend much more on this research - maybe with animals - to determine the extent of this effect. Do you suppose these guys produce a newsletter?
We can teach the chatbots these context clues. Your swear suggests you're either from Great Britain/Isles, Canada, or possibly Australia.
Combine that with the "Magician's Force" concept. That means that when you have a bounded unknown, you ask sequential but obfuscated questions until the unknown is actually solved, although the guest didn't notice. With the conclusion in hand, there is some setup to reveal a fairly simple logical conclusion of the known fact.
Once bots get past the "weird question" defensive phase, this kind of trick should be important. Score one impressive point and it weakens the defenses of the tester.
But it takes more and more work to make this tactic work. The programmer will respond with better defensive algorithms. It's just the same race, only call it the "Preface" instead of the real conversation.
You're mentioning the "De Minimis Fringe", which is the micro-benefit usage of a provided resource. Other examples are single copies of a page off a provided printer.
The big thing in this discussion is that she is neglecting to perform her business on the public official server. Other than "Oh, I forgot" there's no easy explanation for this.
(Orwell) "Everything is optional. Sometimes it is more optional than others". (/Orwell)
The Nixon saga was the last time we thought civics actually mattered. I believe a side effect of the information age is that we no longer care as strongly about individual incidents. Your evals are right, but "neglect of duty" is no longer enough to cause a ruckus.
Really now, I wish I had a team partner, because these guys need to take a page from the chess world and buff up their Anti-Trick-Question tactics. Those questions always revolve around rapid context switching that would frankly irritate if not confuse a person as well, such as one speaking a second language. (There's a test for you! Which is the computer and which is the guy speaking his ruined French he learned 20 years ago?)
(Typical Tester fake question) "Is the Queen larger than a breadbox?" Program: "What kind of question is that?" Tester: "Answer the question" Program: "Since you failed to define "Queen" on purpose, you created a question that is simultaneously true and false, and therefore a null question. I can only assume this is some cheap ass attempt to authenticate before you waste your remaining 7 minutes chatting with the human should you be so lucky, so I quit here and now. Ask your judge what to do if your software oppponent is programmed to sulk."
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I've been fiddling with some beyond-ultra-rough concepts using the opposite premise of "what if people are *often* as dumb as we complain they are?".
For example, low grade trolls. Because such comments collapse into faux logic, they would be hit first by Eliza programs. Collect enough MicroDomains, and eventually you converge onto a low-grade person.
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"When Harlie Was One" - David Gerrold.
You are sufficiently flip for me to assume you are reinventing a round transportation object rather than cribbing.
Nigerian Scammer: "Please I have to contact you at greatest urgency. My leader indisposed is unavailable to do his banking needs. You must help us at the early greatest convenience."
CEO: "Due to the times of economic pressure resulting in fiscal laterality affecting us all, we can no longer continue to engange in a linear profit graph. Instead we have to diversify the standard deviation of the wage spread across the human resources of our organization."
Except we modded him Funny such that Karma=(+0). So he's got all the cheap pseudo-fame but no currency to spend on his next attempt to be insightful that might incur a risk.
I hate to admit it, but she's right. Everybody knows that such types of fair-use are what make *Ring-Tone Sales* plummet. Why buy John Lennon's *Ring-Tone* when you've got a 15-second fragment of one of his song in a documentary that you can just reply as many times as you like? ------------------
It's a tough call. Newspapers can be worse because they'll pay the segment reporter to spend 4 days making the network with his own connections, then he just publishes it himself, to "manage his product content to increase sales".
I came up with the compromise of "critical mass". Anyone on the Dot crowd can figure me out within an hour, so I thus hope to avoid the "Streisand Effect". However, so far spammers are *still* lazy, and I have mostly stayed out of junk lists.
I have done much of what the query and you say, and in fact it has mostly worked! I run the "luddite" joke and ask not to be in people's random pictures. I also go by "Net Branding" handles instead of my Govt. name on boards, again playing the "Eccentric" joke. So far it's mostly worked.
Fame *used* to mean Fortune, but now we have a weird area where fame can easily slide into humiliation, which a very lucky few then tap for pizza money. I have no delusions of grandeur about the Govt, but at least I don't need FOURTH-Rate Sub-ScriptKiddies doing stupid stuff.
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Icarus, is that you falling?
Can I borrow your paragraph for a minute?
You mean that trained older auto-tech brains, when confronted with an familiar, engaging mechanical car engine stimulated more of the brain than when they tested young subjects who had essentially no concept of the depth of information that was available in that vehicle.
You mean that trained older doctor brains, when confronted with an familiar, engaging biochemical patient stimulated more of the brain than when they tested young subjects who had essentially no concept of the depth of information that was available in a person's anatomy.
I am shocked with this discovery. Shocked, I tell you. We should spend much more on this research - maybe with animals - to determine the extent of this effect. Do you suppose these guys produce a newsletter?
Sounds like a flawed study to me.
(Desperately trying to avoid Off-Topic)
We can teach the chatbots these context clues. Your swear suggests you're either from Great Britain/Isles, Canada, or possibly Australia.
Combine that with the "Magician's Force" concept. That means that when you have a bounded unknown, you ask sequential but obfuscated questions until the unknown is actually solved, although the guest didn't notice. With the conclusion in hand, there is some setup to reveal a fairly simple logical conclusion of the known fact.
Once bots get past the "weird question" defensive phase, this kind of trick should be important. Score one impressive point and it weakens the defenses of the tester.
I thought of a variant of this.
Run a bot in an chat room, where intelligence is discouraged anyway.
I tried an Ultra-Pre-Alpha example of this once, just enough to scare myself.
Oh Gawd, thank you for the thread! This one is real.
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Supervisor Bot 8> Hello, I understand you are having a problem with your internet connection, how may I help?
Frustrated User>You bots are supposed to schedule a tech.
Supervisor Bot 8>Yes. Can you stay at home from 8AM to 4PM so that we can send a tech?
Frustrated User>I can't stay home, I have to work.
Supervisor Bot 8>If you cannot stay home, we will close the ticket.
Frustrated User>All you have to do is call me so I can meet the tech.
Supervisor Bot 8>We can't do that.
Frustrated User>Why not? You're a Phone Company!*
If you're talking about gestation of the Young'un, a MeatBabe is not required for that either.
I'm tellin' ya, we'd better break out our Asimov and start reading up on what to do with these SilicoCritters.
I have mod points right now, which alas I am not prepared to use in this fashion.
What does Slashdot think of actually using some variant of these programs to do mods?!!
"Troll Factor -2, NewConcept Content +3, therefore I mod this +1..."
But it takes more and more work to make this tactic work. The programmer will respond with better defensive algorithms. It's just the same race, only call it the "Preface" instead of the real conversation.
You missed Version 1.0.
It was Exciting! It was Daring! Not a single feature was recognizable!
Unfortunately, this created a problem when it was time to get something Out The Door for DaBoss.
What they have now is the "Transition Away from MS Office." You can fork/skin the UI later to suit your whim.
You're mentioning the "De Minimis Fringe", which is the micro-benefit usage of a provided resource. Other examples are single copies of a page off a provided printer.
The big thing in this discussion is that she is neglecting to perform her business on the public official server. Other than "Oh, I forgot" there's no easy explanation for this.
(Orwell)
"Everything is optional. Sometimes it is more optional than others".
(/Orwell)
The Nixon saga was the last time we thought civics actually mattered. I believe a side effect of the information age is that we no longer care as strongly about individual incidents. Your evals are right, but "neglect of duty" is no longer enough to cause a ruckus.
Really now, I wish I had a team partner, because these guys need to take a page from the chess world and buff up their Anti-Trick-Question tactics. Those questions always revolve around rapid context switching that would frankly irritate if not confuse a person as well, such as one speaking a second language. (There's a test for you! Which is the computer and which is the guy speaking his ruined French he learned 20 years ago?)
(Typical Tester fake question) "Is the Queen larger than a breadbox?"
Program: "What kind of question is that?"
Tester: "Answer the question"
Program: "Since you failed to define "Queen" on purpose, you created a question that is simultaneously true and false, and therefore a null question. I can only assume this is some cheap ass attempt to authenticate before you waste your remaining 7 minutes chatting with the human should you be so lucky, so I quit here and now. Ask your judge what to do if your software oppponent is programmed to sulk."
I've been fiddling with some beyond-ultra-rough concepts using the opposite premise of "what if people are *often* as dumb as we complain they are?".
For example, low grade trolls. Because such comments collapse into faux logic, they would be hit first by Eliza programs. Collect enough MicroDomains, and eventually you converge onto a low-grade person.
"When Harlie Was One" - David Gerrold.
You are sufficiently flip for me to assume you are reinventing a round transportation object rather than cribbing.
You missed the language difference.
Nigerian Scammer:
"Please I have to contact you at greatest urgency. My leader indisposed is unavailable to do his banking needs. You must help us at the early greatest convenience."
CEO:
"Due to the times of economic pressure resulting in fiscal laterality affecting us all, we can no longer continue to engange in a linear profit graph. Instead we have to diversify the standard deviation of the wage spread across the human resources of our organization."
Except we modded him Funny such that Karma=(+0). So he's got all the cheap pseudo-fame but no currency to spend on his next attempt to be insightful that might incur a risk.
How very Wall Street of us.
Going for the Quadratic pun: How about a fake-broken copy of Windows?
"Gee officer, I am such a dummy about computers."
See this traumatizing example for case study material.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JMuJ6Wy1j0
IceT'd character would be proud.
What about magician sleight of hand? "I take out my storage card, I hand you my storage card... oh look, it's not the same one!"
What about a data cd with a Prof movie label on it? "Hmm... laptop, we'll take it. Brokeback Mountain movie, you can have that".
Why not just hide the living daylights out of the storage card? You can hide it inside a Reese's cup on the floor between the seat.
I hate to admit it, but she's right. Everybody knows that such types of fair-use are what make *Ring-Tone Sales* plummet. Why buy John Lennon's *Ring-Tone* when you've got a 15-second fragment of one of his song in a documentary that you can just reply as many times as you like?
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Fixed that for ya!
Like this?
http://www.supershadow.com/starwars/supershadow.html
http://www.supershadow.com/starwars/girlfriend3.html
It's a tough call. Newspapers can be worse because they'll pay the segment reporter to spend 4 days making the network with his own connections, then he just publishes it himself, to "manage his product content to increase sales".
(Summoning Phil D.)
"We can erode your dignity for you wholesale!"
I came up with the compromise of "critical mass". Anyone on the Dot crowd can figure me out within an hour, so I thus hope to avoid the "Streisand Effect". However, so far spammers are *still* lazy, and I have mostly stayed out of junk lists.
I have done much of what the query and you say, and in fact it has mostly worked! I run the "luddite" joke and ask not to be in people's random pictures. I also go by "Net Branding" handles instead of my Govt. name on boards, again playing the "Eccentric" joke. So far it's mostly worked.
Fame *used* to mean Fortune, but now we have a weird area where fame can easily slide into humiliation, which a very lucky few then tap for pizza money. I have no delusions of grandeur about the Govt, but at least I don't need FOURTH-Rate Sub-ScriptKiddies doing stupid stuff.
"This man is a traitor. That's all the Party has to say about him."
Do bots look for Pr0n yet ?
"Ooh, A Harpertown core!"