Stick them on an HDD until Google or Amazon start offering to keep everything for you for free. The more I think about it, the less I think anyone will keep any data at home in the near future.
We haven't yet reached a point where systems, even high-end boxes, come with a terabyte of installed memory
FYI, the Sun M9000+ can be delivered with 2Tb of RAM which, should you so desire, can all be shovelled into a single domain chock full of Solaris 10 goodness.
Couldn't agree more. Of all the new stuff in Solaris 10, I find zfs far and away the most useful in the real world. Damn, I hope it gets the success it deserves and consigns ODS, VxVM, LVM etc to the nostalgia pages.
DTrace is amazing, but to get the most of it you need to understand your system at a far lower level than most sys-admins honestly do. I use it and I love it, but I barely scratch the surface of what it can do, because it can produce a level of detail that's so far over my head as to be useless. I imagine it's priceless for developers.
LOVING all the "we have strace" comments! Best/. cluelessness in ages.
press: "state of the art Ferrari wins automotive award" slashdotters: "So what? We have that car from The Flintstones."
Once upon-a-time people put clocks in everything. Nothing that *needed* a clock in it, but we put them in anyway. Now we put cameras in things, whether they need it or not. Big big deal. We'll grow out of it.
Yeah, no one would ever use closed source software you have to pay for. That's why Windows, MacOS, Solaris, HP-UX, AIX, VMS, Oracle, Photoshop, Office, Quark, Cubase, GTA and things like that never took off. After all, it's the ideology that counts, not crap like fun and productivity.
Note to Slashdot: 99.9% of the world could not care less about the GPL.
They aren't exactly parallel boot scripts. It's a part of something called the Service Management Facility. You write XML manifests describing how services should be started, stopped, restarted, refreshed, and what the SMF should do in the event of failure events. It intruduces the concept of dependencies between services, and makes a lot of things more coherent and logical. It also means you have to learn a lot of new stuff.
The SMF has a concept of milestones, which groups of scripts "belong" to. This is not unlike the principle of run levels, and when moving between milestones the SMF can fire off a whole bunch of services in parallel. It usually does this through scripts akin to the old init scripts, but doesn't have to.
That's not a very good description, but it might give someone who can't be bothered to RTFM some idea of one of the big new features.
Solaris 10 is great. IMHO there's no Unix (or clone) to touch it. That's just my opinion, and I CAN NOT be bothered to argue about it, so don't start!
A couple of years ago I stopped using Linux because I didn't want any association at all with its userbase.
Uninformed opinion and "my dad's bigger than your dad" rhetoric, combined with insulting the people you are trying to persuade is not the way to win converts. True for Mac, true for Linux, was true for the Amiga. (And look where that ended up!)
... millions of European Jews, massacred more easily because of the efficient identity systems of...
I think you're being a little hysterical. The holocaust didn't happen because of ID cards. ID cards won't lead to another holocaust.
I'm very much opposed to ID cards, and to the more fundamental principles which they can be seen to represent, but I feel the care against them is harmed by statements like that. It's way over the top, and really no better than some of the arguments in favour of the cards.
A: "It stops terrorists!" B: "It helps genocidal dictators!" A: "Those with nothing to hide have nothing to fear!" B: "It is the first step towards an Orwellian police state!"
Shouldn't we be debating more realistic points than those?
So they can get their hands on a whole load of information (fingerprints, DNA, etc) that they would otherwise have to get consent from the owner to gather or a court order?
This is something that I have considered. Rather than raising (obvious) taxes, it seems the new method of generating revenue is to make more and more things illegal, and to make it easier to find and fine us for increasingly minor transgressions.
This is why the creeping together of databases troubles me. Many of us on here know how much data is stored, exchanged and processed these days, and we also know how badly much of it is secured. It troubles me that the government might get carried away in the future. I certainly don't trust them not to.
I'm against ID cards (or, more specifically, the database behind them) for many reasons, none of which are particularly terrifying on their own.
The issue for me is that the government can't think of anything better to do with several billion pounds. At least using existing technology might lower the budget a bit.
I don't really believe Big Brother is coming. I don't believe we will really have any less privacy or freedom when forced to carry "papers". I also don't believe they will fix any of the problems our society currently has.
I'm very angry that such a massive public expenditure will benefit no one other than whoever wins the contract to implement it. Oh, and the ego of the poiliticians who are gearing up to bully it through the house.
Speaking of which, why *ARE* they so keen to force this on us? Conspiracy theorists, please go nuts.
He has a seventeen year old girl with him who is obviously none too bright and easily led, and what he wants to do with her is - have a lightsaber fight. The young people of today...
I don't buy this nine part trilogy of trilogies master plan. I have never believed for one second that when George Lucas wrote Star Wars he knew about the Naboo trade embargo and Queen Amidala. I don't think he even knew Darth Vader was Luke's dad. (Always a cheap shot, but nowhere near so cheap as Leia being his sister. That was awful. Lucas uses all his half-decent ideas at least twice.)
SW wasn't "Episode 4, A New Hope" to start with, right? It was "Star Wars". A piece of enjoyable fluff, that didn't have its own "universe" or more prequels and sequels than Police Academy. Dumb-ass fun with awful dialog and lots of explosions, since dragged down by hype, bullshit, pseudo-mysticism and ham-fisted myth-making. Some things are best left alone.
Not to troll (seriously) but what kind of uses does linux fulfill? Anything you can do with Linux, I can do with Solaris. Well, apart from all the weird hobbyist stuff, but you can keep that. I do rather envy you a few of your device drivers though....;-)
You know all that cool stuff in Linux? Linus didn't think of it. It's been around for years.
I'm typing this on KDE-3.4rc1, running on Solaris 10, on a brand-spanking new Vaio. No effort required to install, to build the GNU stuff, to get anything working (no support for the built in Wireless, but I don't mind that, and hopefully it will come in time.)
Solaris is a fine desktop OS - I wouldn't recommend switching if you already enjoy using another OS though, but in real-life people shouting, critical server environments, I'll take Solaris every time. Solaris has robustness, predictability, reliability, debugging and monitoring tools that most of the linux community don't know exists.
10 is the first new version of Solaris I've really got excited about (I've been using it professionally since 2.4.) The big new features (DTrace, Zones, the smf, the new TCP stack, ZFS, which we haven't seen yet) are all super-cool and, so far as I know, unique. There are so many other smaller enhancements too, like the resource management, improved process monitoring tools, kmdb etc. etc.
And you linux people wouldn't believe the amount, or coverage and quality of the documentation. The support's not bad either, and there's a much bigger and more supportive user community than you might think. Your average Solaris admin is a lot more seasoned and a lot less leet than your average linux "guru", and it all goes to help us get our problems sorted out more quickly.
Solaris is everywhere, goes deep, and is respected and liked by a lot of people. It's going nowhere fast, and I can only see 10 making further inroads.
The Unixes are all great in their own way. Take a look around, don't be shortsighted. Computers don't start and end with Linux.
I've got a creaky old Compaq sitting next to me that's had Solaris on it for as long as I've owned it. (7, 8, 9 and now 10beta, which is absolutely freaking sweet, and doesn't even have ZFS yet!)
As for the other applications you mentioned, who cares? I don't care what embedded OS is in my devices, because I don't interact with it directly. I want dtrace and ksh on my server, but I don't give a damn if my TiVo can run them.
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Stick them on an HDD until Google or Amazon start offering to keep everything for you for free. The more I think about it, the less I think anyone will keep any data at home in the near future.
> in reality a woman with a penis isn't any more attractive to women than it is to men.
Dude, you've obviously not been on 4chan.
We haven't yet reached a point where systems, even high-end boxes, come with a terabyte of installed memory
FYI, the Sun M9000+ can be delivered with 2Tb of RAM which, should you so desire, can all be shovelled into a single domain chock full of Solaris 10 goodness.
Can we just clear up the difference between "losing" and "loosing"? When you encode at 128kbps, have you "loost" quality?
Sorry. It's my pet peeve. I feel better now. Thanks for listening.
> Why not IBM's JFS? Or ReiserFS?
Because they are just filesystems. ZFS is also a volume manager.
> Or a CentOS based OS in place of Solaris?
Because CentOS doesn't have ZFS.
+4 Interesting. Awesome.
Couldn't agree more. Of all the new stuff in Solaris 10, I find zfs far and away the most useful in the real world. Damn, I hope it gets the success it deserves and consigns ODS, VxVM, LVM etc to the nostalgia pages.
/. cluelessness in ages.
DTrace is amazing, but to get the most of it you need to understand your system at a far lower level than most sys-admins honestly do. I use it and I love it, but I barely scratch the surface of what it can do, because it can produce a level of detail that's so far over my head as to be useless. I imagine it's priceless for developers.
LOVING all the "we have strace" comments! Best
press: "state of the art Ferrari wins automotive award"
slashdotters: "So what? We have that car from The Flintstones."
Once upon-a-time people put clocks in everything. Nothing that *needed* a clock in it, but we put them in anyway. Now we put cameras in things, whether they need it or not. Big big deal. We'll grow out of it.
Not including hype, and support for primarily obsolete hardware, can someone tell me in what ares Linux is "miles ahead" of Solaris?
Yeah, no one would ever use closed source software you have to pay for. That's why Windows, MacOS, Solaris, HP-UX, AIX, VMS, Oracle, Photoshop, Office, Quark, Cubase, GTA and things like that never took off. After all, it's the ideology that counts, not crap like fun and productivity.
Note to Slashdot: 99.9% of the world could not care less about the GPL.
They aren't exactly parallel boot scripts. It's a part of something called the Service Management Facility. You write XML manifests describing how services should be started, stopped, restarted, refreshed, and what the SMF should do in the event of failure events. It intruduces the concept of dependencies between services, and makes a lot of things more coherent and logical. It also means you have to learn a lot of new stuff.
The SMF has a concept of milestones, which groups of scripts "belong" to. This is not unlike the principle of run levels, and when moving between milestones the SMF can fire off a whole bunch of services in parallel. It usually does this through scripts akin to the old init scripts, but doesn't have to.
That's not a very good description, but it might give someone who can't be bothered to RTFM some idea of one of the big new features.
Solaris 10 is great. IMHO there's no Unix (or clone) to touch it. That's just my opinion, and I CAN NOT be bothered to argue about it, so don't start!
A couple of years ago I stopped using Linux because I didn't want any association at all with its userbase.
Uninformed opinion and "my dad's bigger than your dad" rhetoric, combined with insulting the people you are trying to persuade is not the way to win converts. True for Mac, true for Linux, was true for the Amiga. (And look where that ended up!)
I think you're being a little hysterical. The holocaust didn't happen because of ID cards. ID cards won't lead to another holocaust.
I'm very much opposed to ID cards, and to the more fundamental principles which they can be seen to represent, but I feel the care against them is harmed by statements like that. It's way over the top, and really no better than some of the arguments in favour of the cards.
A: "It stops terrorists!"
B: "It helps genocidal dictators!"
A: "Those with nothing to hide have nothing to fear!"
B: "It is the first step towards an Orwellian police state!"
Shouldn't we be debating more realistic points than those?
This is something that I have considered. Rather than raising (obvious) taxes, it seems the new method of generating revenue is to make more and more things illegal, and to make it easier to find and fine us for increasingly minor transgressions.
This is why the creeping together of databases troubles me. Many of us on here know how much data is stored, exchanged and processed these days, and we also know how badly much of it is secured. It troubles me that the government might get carried away in the future. I certainly don't trust them not to.
I'm against ID cards (or, more specifically, the database behind them) for many reasons, none of which are particularly terrifying on their own.
The issue for me is that the government can't think of anything better to do with several billion pounds. At least using existing technology might lower the budget a bit.
I don't really believe Big Brother is coming. I don't believe we will really have any less privacy or freedom when forced to carry "papers". I also don't believe they will fix any of the problems our society currently has.
I'm very angry that such a massive public expenditure will benefit no one other than whoever wins the contract to implement it. Oh, and the ego of the poiliticians who are gearing up to bully it through the house.
Speaking of which, why *ARE* they so keen to force this on us? Conspiracy theorists, please go nuts.
He has a seventeen year old girl with him who is obviously none too bright and easily led, and what he wants to do with her is - have a lightsaber fight. The young people of today...
I don't buy this nine part trilogy of trilogies master plan. I have never believed for one second that when George Lucas wrote Star Wars he knew about the Naboo trade embargo and Queen Amidala. I don't think he even knew Darth Vader was Luke's dad. (Always a cheap shot, but nowhere near so cheap as Leia being his sister. That was awful. Lucas uses all his half-decent ideas at least twice.)
SW wasn't "Episode 4, A New Hope" to start with, right? It was "Star Wars". A piece of enjoyable fluff, that didn't have its own "universe" or more prequels and sequels than Police Academy. Dumb-ass fun with awful dialog and lots of explosions, since dragged down by hype, bullshit, pseudo-mysticism and ham-fisted myth-making. Some things are best left alone.
You know, I have a feeling X might even run on some other OS than linux.
/older/ than linux?
In fact, now I think about it, isn't X11 actually
If an linux weenie uses a small proportion of his time to karma whore on Slashdot, does he deserve a +5 Interesting?
Not to troll (seriously) but what kind of uses does linux fulfill? Anything you can do with Linux, I can do with Solaris. Well, apart from all the weird hobbyist stuff, but you can keep that. I do rather envy you a few of your device drivers though.... ;-)
You know all that cool stuff in Linux? Linus didn't think of it. It's been around for years.
I'm typing this on KDE-3.4rc1, running on Solaris 10, on a brand-spanking new Vaio. No effort required to install, to build the GNU stuff, to get anything working (no support for the built in Wireless, but I don't mind that, and hopefully it will come in time.)
Solaris is a fine desktop OS - I wouldn't recommend switching if you already enjoy using another OS though, but in real-life people shouting, critical server environments, I'll take Solaris every time. Solaris has robustness, predictability, reliability, debugging and monitoring tools that most of the linux community don't know exists.
10 is the first new version of Solaris I've really got excited about (I've been using it professionally since 2.4.) The big new features (DTrace, Zones, the smf, the new TCP stack, ZFS, which we haven't seen yet) are all super-cool and, so far as I know, unique. There are so many other smaller enhancements too, like the resource management, improved process monitoring tools, kmdb etc. etc.
And you linux people wouldn't believe the amount, or coverage and quality of the documentation. The support's not bad either, and there's a much bigger and more supportive user community than you might think. Your average Solaris admin is a lot more seasoned and a lot less leet than your average linux "guru", and it all goes to help us get our problems sorted out more quickly.
Solaris is everywhere, goes deep, and is respected and liked by a lot of people. It's going nowhere fast, and I can only see 10 making further inroads.
The Unixes are all great in their own way. Take a look around, don't be shortsighted. Computers don't start and end with Linux.
Solaris on a laptop? Get real.
I've got a creaky old Compaq sitting next to me that's had Solaris on it for as long as I've owned it. (7, 8, 9 and now 10beta, which is absolutely freaking sweet, and doesn't even have ZFS yet!)
As for the other applications you mentioned, who cares? I don't care what embedded OS is in my devices, because I don't interact with it directly. I want dtrace and ksh on my server, but I don't give a damn if my TiVo can run them.
More news as we have it.
Picard, because he's obviously a vi user.
Which apps would they be?
It's just Pacman with a bow.
and they're spec-tacular!