Making all their data freely available is ludicrous, there is just too much of it. When you have this much data to work on, you only make it available to people who have a chance of understanding it; in this case fellow scientists. You don't see CERN release all their data either, at least not to the public.
The Climate "Sceptics" will refuse global warming even when the Earth is burnt to a crisp. Denial is a powerful thing, and need a bit more than diplomacy to break through.
I think most do support updating the Firmware via some other means, for instance a disc. However I don't know that the Blu-ray specification prior to 1.2 (?) required that ability. And if I recall we were promised that a BD 1.0 drive would always be able to play at least the main feature on the discs.
I can only agree. And thanks for taking the time to write up a long reply:)
And your observation that as long as Sony have stiff competition, they are the last to piss on their customers. Give them a fair sized marked share and lock-in, and we get what we see here.
Frighteningly accurate, and if Sony gets away with this, what are they going to remove next, or what are other manufacturers going to remove after purchase?
If I recall the parts of the EULA that are unenforceable in the EU are the parts about the producer/seller being able to make changes at will, and their self proclaimed right to change their ToS at will as well. It's what you have at the time of purchase that is the key.
I used Toyota as a comparison. To fix the speeder problem in their cars, they would force you to accept modification that would limit the car to 30 km/h, and until you accepted that you would only be allowed to drive on closed circuits. Of course some will figure out how to get back on the road again, at which point Toyota would just stop all cars trying to do so via a remote control.
Previously I'd thought that the gaming division was pretty good even if the rest was run by morons.. but no longer.
Same here, though there are a few divisions of Sony that haven't had their heads permanently affixed to their asses: Cameras, e-books and Sony Creative Software. Lets see how long the insanity that have plagued Sony, ever since they became a music and movie studio, will take to spread to these last few divisions.
Next time they may remove a funcionality you do care about.
Which brings to mind the old statement: "THEY CAME FIRST for the Communists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.
THEN THEY CAME for the Jews, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.
THEN THEY CAME for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.
THEN THEY CAME for me and by that time no one was left to speak up."
Besides, they won't remove the Blu-ray feature, however they may remove the ability to play BD-R's, though I hope they keep their grubby little mints off my features.
One thought that keep popping up in my mind. Is the ability to run Linux the main reason why the PS3 haven't been broken for so long, as people wanting to play with homebrew could be satisfied with the Linux ability?
If so, won't that mean that with Other OS gone, that enthusiasts will do their very best to crack that machine open any which way they can to enable homebrew, this time with the goal being full access?
Oh please. This is a ridiculous lawsuit that should immediately get thrown out of court.
I might as well try and sue Dell because I can no longer run OS/2 on their systems.
Did Dell remove the ability to run OS/2 from existing systems, and force that change on you, blocking your ability to access the internet untill you accept the loss?
Maybe, but who better to file a lawsuit than an American. They have taken the whole Damages and compensation to astronomical levels. If THAT doesn't scare Sony into honesty, they have balls of solid Carbon fibre wrapped titanium.
"We're talking about a *game*, not your oxygen supply"
We are talking about money paid, and the principle of having companies take away our ability to use what we have legally paid for, just because they have us by the balls.
Sony released this the day before good Friday, so even if it's been almost a full week, we've had very few work days since. Even lawyers need time, with the exception of Ambulance chasers of course, who seem to be able to file suits with almost preternatural speed.
It have survived the challenge for over 3 years now! And even hen the hack seems to be anything but trivial. Lots of hardware modification needed to crack open it's armor.
Personally I'm not using the OtherOS, however I have always planned on trying it. It's the principle of the matte that I'm upset about.
Had Sony not been lazy they could have locked down the OtherOS, and have users agree to an additional EULA which just specifies that the OtherOS feature may not be used to access the Hypervisor and circumvent the security, and attempting to do so will permanently disable the OtherOS feature on that machine alone. The Security system should be able to detect these attempts, if only Sony would get off their fat asses and fix it.
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Making all their data freely available is ludicrous, there is just too much of it. When you have this much data to work on, you only make it available to people who have a chance of understanding it; in this case fellow scientists.
You don't see CERN release all their data either, at least not to the public.
The Climate "Sceptics" will refuse global warming even when the Earth is burnt to a crisp. Denial is a powerful thing, and need a bit more than diplomacy to break through.
I think most do support updating the Firmware via some other means, for instance a disc. However I don't know that the Blu-ray specification prior to 1.2 (?) required that ability.
And if I recall we were promised that a BD 1.0 drive would always be able to play at least the main feature on the discs.
Actually, they are forcing the update, because if you don't take it, you lose just about everything else.
Oh, please mod parent up, he may be an AC, but he definitely have managed to nail down the irony of the whole farce.
To make matters worse, the first few generations of Blu-ray players don't have any network connection at all.
I can only agree. And thanks for taking the time to write up a long reply :)
And your observation that as long as Sony have stiff competition, they are the last to piss on their customers. Give them a fair sized marked share and lock-in, and we get what we see here.
Thanks :)
Mints is something quite different, and far more tasty.
Frighteningly accurate, and if Sony gets away with this, what are they going to remove next, or what are other manufacturers going to remove after purchase?
If I recall the parts of the EULA that are unenforceable in the EU are the parts about the producer/seller being able to make changes at will, and their self proclaimed right to change their ToS at will as well.
It's what you have at the time of purchase that is the key.
Sorry Ranulf, but he definitely got you on that one.
Don't worry, the rest of us have a good giggle when you pronounce Aluminium as Aluminum.
I used Toyota as a comparison.
To fix the speeder problem in their cars, they would force you to accept modification that would limit the car to 30 km/h, and until you accepted that you would only be allowed to drive on closed circuits.
Of course some will figure out how to get back on the road again, at which point Toyota would just stop all cars trying to do so via a remote control.
Previously I'd thought that the gaming division was pretty good even if the rest was run by morons.. but no longer.
Same here, though there are a few divisions of Sony that haven't had their heads permanently affixed to their asses: Cameras, e-books and Sony Creative Software.
Lets see how long the insanity that have plagued Sony, ever since they became a music and movie studio, will take to spread to these last few divisions.
Next time they may remove a funcionality you do care about.
Which brings to mind the old statement:
"THEY CAME FIRST for the Communists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.
THEN THEY CAME for the Jews,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.
THEN THEY CAME for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.
THEN THEY CAME for me
and by that time no one was left to speak up."
Besides, they won't remove the Blu-ray feature, however they may remove the ability to play BD-R's, though I hope they keep their grubby little mints off my features.
One thought that keep popping up in my mind.
Is the ability to run Linux the main reason why the PS3 haven't been broken for so long, as people wanting to play with homebrew could be satisfied with the Linux ability?
If so, won't that mean that with Other OS gone, that enthusiasts will do their very best to crack that machine open any which way they can to enable homebrew, this time with the goal being full access?
Oh please. This is a ridiculous lawsuit that should immediately get thrown out of court.
I might as well try and sue Dell because I can no longer run OS/2 on their systems.
Did Dell remove the ability to run OS/2 from existing systems, and force that change on you, blocking your ability to access the internet untill you accept the loss?
Maybe, but who better to file a lawsuit than an American. They have taken the whole Damages and compensation to astronomical levels. If THAT doesn't scare Sony into honesty, they have balls of solid Carbon fibre wrapped titanium.
"We're talking about a *game*, not your oxygen supply"
We are talking about money paid, and the principle of having companies take away our ability to use what we have legally paid for, just because they have us by the balls.
"Automobile" became "car". In other words, it could be "auto-car",
She flies in space, so she must be an alien.
I certainly don't recall any human looking quite like that.
Give it a few more days.
Sony released this the day before good Friday, so even if it's been almost a full week, we've had very few work days since.
Even lawyers need time, with the exception of Ambulance chasers of course, who seem to be able to file suits with almost preternatural speed.
Duh!
It have survived the challenge for over 3 years now!
And even hen the hack seems to be anything but trivial. Lots of hardware modification needed to crack open it's armor.
Personally I'm not using the OtherOS, however I have always planned on trying it. It's the principle of the matte that I'm upset about.
Had Sony not been lazy they could have locked down the OtherOS, and have users agree to an additional EULA which just specifies that the OtherOS feature may not be used to access the Hypervisor and circumvent the security, and attempting to do so will permanently disable the OtherOS feature on that machine alone. The Security system should be able to detect these attempts, if only Sony would get off their fat asses and fix it.
Go next on your video, and you get another that I would have thought to be even more worthy of this day's hi-jinx
http://www.wimp.com/indiapakistan/
You know this discussion will degenerate into how this can be applied to growing a longer penis.
No, but spammers are sure to find a way to try and sell that point