A tech at one of my previous companies would win this. We had a bad cable end on a major uplink line. He recrimped it in 43s. I this most tcpsessions even stayed up. Cable was good for years after.
Isnt the percentage of peopel who've never used a computer almost 0 now? If it's not, do we even care about these people? Why do we cater to newbs? Learning to drive a car takes alot of learning to get it down pat so why arent we writing articles ad nauseam about making cars simpler to drive?
We dont, we just expect people to learn, and that's that. Why should using a device thats far more complex and capable than a car be SIMPLER than a car to use? Why not encourage people to LEARN something?
Perhaps its part of the greater American (and Canadian, where im from...) gestalt, about how everything in life should be done FOR you and require no learning, engagement, critical thought or expertise.
Ratpoison ftw indeed! (or my nearly equivalently hacked fvwm1 config I developed in 1993 and havent modified much since...)
This is my goal. So far Im on track.
It'll get harder once 2010 rolls around though... (when I started in '05, I was doing 5% power reduction per quarter, but those days are over.)
Once you're into the 30% range, lifestyle changes must occur, and thats where it'll stop for 99% of westerners. Their right to a marginally more comfortable lifestyle at exponentially increased energy footprint is written into the constitutions of their countries.
Amortize the new gadgets price over their lifetime * savings/year then you get the figure.
Of course, out of sight out of mind rules, so the CO2 impact of producing all these *NEW* gadgets isnt in the article, or anyone's minds.
This is why environmentalists call me a dinosaur for *KEEPING* my old car but driving it 5000km (only on long trips - all my city travel is mostly biking (or far less efficient) public transit). Buying a new hybrid car would cost me alot of money *AND* have generated far more CO2 in its production than me just keeping my old one (which still gets 13.3 km/l anyway) - and I will own no next car.
$90 isnt enough to bother with, either. Power costs have to be FAR higher before people will bother.
But its our RIGHT as citizens of the west to have cheap power, obviously. So it wont happen. And if it does, someone will get voted out of office for not giving us what we are entitled to.
Srsly. Existing laws will take care of this. Nothing new to see here, no new special laws required. Have it out in court as a libel suit, and a counter suit if necessary, and everyone move along.
*sigh* another interesting story gone.
Post more details in the initial submission so we dont have to visit the website at all.
Anyone summarize the best bits from the page thats now offline or got a google cachelink?
at 1000x the cost of hardrives thats ALOT of $/second. Considering BIOS post and kernel device detection is currently the big slowdown in linux (who the hell KNOWS why windows is so slow to boot, its an opaque process), you wont be gaining much with a super fast disk. Perhaps 5-20% on boot, which is about 5-10s max.
$20,000 for 5-10s boot max? Cheaper to just leave the machine on longer and pay the power bills and suffer no boot (or if you're a poor sap using Metacity, the startup time for that too!)
Hype isnt really useful once the initial endorphin rush wears off. You still have a $20k hole in your wallet.
considering that large quad-socket boards have space for 8 Dimms per CPU we're looking at 128GB+ per machine and soon to increase. 640Gb isnt that much bigger. Since it's on the memory bus and not a PCI-* bus, its going to be faster than these drives, and it's more expensive right now. By the time they're at $30/GB ram will be alot less than that. The automatic persistence (without scheduling to back the memory to disk, like RAM would need) is the only advantage, so you're putting a high price on that ability - a database with constant accesses that need to go to permanent non-loss storage with a power out.
If you really have such an environment, I would think that fixing your HA setup would be a priority first - duplicating your servers so they can take eachother's jobs over and providing redundant power. I dont even want to know how many xactions/second a properly memory-stored database can do (once you get rid of the filesystem and driver layers, which this thing would require), Im sure many many more. While disk wont take as many xactions/sec, you can always back dirty ram to disk in huge chunks (1 meg blocks or more) to avoid having to need 100K IOops.
I just dont see any advantage properly tuning your server and process environment couldnt achieve with commodity unspecialized cheap easy to replace parts and a few brains.
this is getting pretty tiring.
watch the whole video WITH SOUND UP AT FULL before you comment. I dont care if you're at work and cant. If you cant, then dont comment or get a new job.
Link is here. WATCH IT. THEN comment. Thanks.
There are other systems of life possible, without water, so long as they meet our definitions of life. Im always suprised by this very anthropocentric ('terrapocentric'?:) approach for the requirements for life...
Isnt the whole point of DST to shift our schedules so we have more light after work, once there's enough light in the morning to get the economy started? we certainly dont need sun at 530am (but being in canada we get it even with dst!) when most people are asleep.
So if thats the reasoning, then DST should be formulated on how many daylight hours there are. Assuming symmetry around Dec 21 (rough equinox date, i know if shifts 6-24 hrs around that), then changing to ST in end of first week of Nov when we have something like 10 hrs of daylight here (Toronto, rough guess), means we should shift to DST at 10hrs of light/day (at my lattitude) whenever that occurs symmetrically after Dec 21. Nov 6 -> Dec 21 is ~ 45 days, we should therefore change to DST on Dec 21 + 45 days = Feb 6! (Rough estimate.)
Automobiles are more efficient than a human? Doing what? Need alot of parameters defined the make that statement. I seriously doubt its true. Gasoline engines only realise something around 30% of the energy in the fuel, the rest into heat, and even so most of the energy in the car goes to overcoming wind resistance at the higher speeds it travels. I seriously doubt wind resistance is an important part of walking energy expenditures in humans. Evolution is a powerful thing for energy efficiency, and cars have barely been around 100 years, and arent being subject to evolutionary pressures that focus on energy efficiency.
Why are both examples of how a faster computer could benefit society framed in a 'law and order' and 'keep the public safe' context? Smart marketing that plays upon the already nicely laid groundwork of the American administration?
I wonder if faster computers could help the average person in any way at all.. cant think of any examples tho.:/
That's a bad example the drug dealer thing. The way that the US is going, its already illegal to hang out with terrorists. As soon as they figure out a way, it will be illegal to hang out with drug dealers, then drug users. (Go see A Scanner Darkly for a nice example).
It's already illegal to write p2p sharing clients in Japan as Slashdot has reported the arrests of such authors, so soon it will be illegal to torrent anything anywhere at all.
The internet will soon be a collection of entirely controlled and mediated transactions, with everything approved before sending, and attempts to do anything illegal are logged and used against you.
I am wondering if they're opening themselves to a charge under the OHRT for blocking legit content. Just wait til they block a political site that has nothing to do with child porn. Or a class action lawsuit.
I dont understand why they're opening the door on themselves to being classified as a non-common-carrier, meaning they will have to filter *ALL* content. If they filter child porn, why not filter emails for the same content, or discussions of same? Or discussions of *ANYTHING* illegal, from planning a bank heist, to a terrorist dinner get together to copying your friends' matrix DVDs illegally? (Not that the govt isnt already scanning for some of this).
I hope everyone does their homework on this and finds what sites they block and compiles them in a list and files a formal complaint thru the necesary channels.
or just drop to a fixedline if the voip call fails. its not rocket surgery. There are ATAs that have this built in now and are cheap.
Easy to do a better job with better equipment.
-mathx
Yes, please lock them up into your tiny backyards that you clamour to have rights to buy out in the urban sprawl, so you can insulate your kids from any sense of community or local responsability for engagement in the neighbourhood. If you dont do this then the 'war on terror' will seem so overblown to them they might not support your paranoid govt.
Stop being godamn wimps and stand up and be brave people. Walk down the street knowing that you have a 1 in 10 million chance of being blown up by a terrorist. Real men do it all the time! And let kids scrape their knees and learn from life instead of shutting them in away from the mean ole world.
Oh wait, I live in Canada, so this probably cant apply to americans, where it really IS dangerous to let kids outside. I dont know how you got to where you are and us where we are, but nice way to build your communities.
We all sit here patting ourselves on our backs for maintaining vigilance of the state, yet not doing much about it. The problem is that the masses dont have a clue about any of this, dont get it, and dont care so long as their reality tv is on every night. Just as the dude who was wearing the arabic t shirt in JFK was told (paraphrase) "these people dont care about these things [human rights/free speech]". That's what the govt is counting on.
So stop railing against the govt and start educating the people. Give them a reason to care, dont just rant at them too. Its not getting us anywhere.
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A tech at one of my previous companies would win this. We had a bad cable end on a major uplink line. He recrimped it in 43s. I this most tcpsessions even stayed up. Cable was good for years after.
Isnt the percentage of peopel who've never used a computer almost 0 now? If it's not, do we even care about these people? Why do we cater to newbs? Learning to drive a car takes alot of learning to get it down pat so why arent we writing articles ad nauseam about making cars simpler to drive?
We dont, we just expect people to learn, and that's that. Why should using a device thats far more complex and capable than a car be SIMPLER than a car to use? Why not
encourage people to LEARN something?
Perhaps its part of the greater American (and Canadian, where im from...) gestalt, about how everything in life should be done FOR you and require no learning, engagement, critical thought or expertise.
Ratpoison ftw indeed! (or my nearly equivalently hacked fvwm1 config I developed in 1993 and havent modified much since...)
This is my goal. So far Im on track. It'll get harder once 2010 rolls around though... (when I started in '05, I was doing 5% power reduction per quarter, but those days are over.) Once you're into the 30% range, lifestyle changes must occur, and thats where it'll stop for 99% of westerners. Their right to a marginally more comfortable lifestyle at exponentially increased energy footprint is written into the constitutions of their countries.
Amortize the new gadgets price over their lifetime * savings/year then you get the figure. Of course, out of sight out of mind rules, so the CO2 impact of producing all these *NEW* gadgets isnt in the article, or anyone's minds. This is why environmentalists call me a dinosaur for *KEEPING* my old car but driving it 5000km (only on long trips - all my city travel is mostly biking (or far less efficient) public transit). Buying a new hybrid car would cost me alot of money *AND* have generated far more CO2 in its production than me just keeping my old one (which still gets 13.3 km/l anyway) - and I will own no next car. $90 isnt enough to bother with, either. Power costs have to be FAR higher before people will bother. But its our RIGHT as citizens of the west to have cheap power, obviously. So it wont happen. And if it does, someone will get voted out of office for not giving us what we are entitled to.
Srsly. Existing laws will take care of this. Nothing new to see here, no new special laws required. Have it out in court as a libel suit, and a counter suit if necessary, and everyone move along.
*sigh* another interesting story gone. Post more details in the initial submission so we dont have to visit the website at all. Anyone summarize the best bits from the page thats now offline or got a google cachelink?
at 1000x the cost of hardrives thats ALOT of $/second. Considering BIOS post and kernel device detection is currently the big slowdown in linux (who the hell KNOWS why windows is so slow to boot, its an opaque process), you wont be gaining much with a super fast disk. Perhaps 5-20% on boot, which is about 5-10s max.
$20,000 for 5-10s boot max? Cheaper to just leave the machine on longer and pay the power bills and suffer no boot (or if you're a poor sap using Metacity, the startup time for that too!)
Hype isnt really useful once the initial endorphin rush wears off. You still have a $20k hole in your wallet.
considering that large quad-socket boards have space for 8 Dimms per CPU we're looking at 128GB+ per machine and soon to increase. 640Gb isnt that much bigger. Since it's on the memory bus and not a PCI-* bus, its going to be faster than these drives, and it's more expensive right now. By the time they're at $30/GB ram will be alot less than that. The automatic persistence (without scheduling to back the memory to disk, like RAM would need) is the only advantage, so you're putting a high price on that ability - a database with constant accesses that need to go to permanent non-loss storage with a power out.
If you really have such an environment, I would think that fixing your HA setup would be a priority first - duplicating your servers so they can take eachother's jobs over and providing redundant power. I dont even want to know how many xactions/second a properly memory-stored database can do (once you get rid of the filesystem and driver layers, which this thing would require), Im sure many many more. While disk wont take as many xactions/sec, you can always back dirty ram to disk in huge chunks (1 meg blocks or more) to avoid having to need 100K IOops.
I just dont see any advantage properly tuning your server and process environment couldnt achieve with commodity unspecialized cheap easy to replace parts and a few brains.
this is getting pretty tiring. watch the whole video WITH SOUND UP AT FULL before you comment. I dont care if you're at work and cant. If you cant, then dont comment or get a new job. Link is here. WATCH IT. THEN comment. Thanks.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sE76LQwT6qA
Alone in arcade!
Man, I cant wait til video game consoles for HOME are invented in the late 70s! That'll show the prying eyes!
(And isolate us more...)
There are other systems of life possible, without water, so long as they meet our definitions of life. Im always suprised by this very anthropocentric ('terrapocentric'? :) approach for the requirements for life...
Isnt the whole point of DST to shift our schedules so we have more light after work, once there's enough light in the morning to get the economy started? we certainly dont need sun at 530am (but being in canada we get it even with dst!) when most people are asleep.
So if thats the reasoning, then DST should be formulated on how many daylight hours there are. Assuming symmetry around Dec 21 (rough equinox date, i know if shifts 6-24 hrs around
that), then changing to ST in end of first week of Nov when we have something like 10 hrs of daylight here (Toronto, rough guess), means we should shift to DST at 10hrs of
light/day (at my lattitude) whenever that occurs symmetrically after Dec 21. Nov 6 -> Dec 21 is ~ 45 days, we should therefore change to DST on Dec 21 + 45 days = Feb 6!
(Rough estimate.)
Automobiles are more efficient than a human? Doing what? Need alot of parameters defined the make that statement. I seriously doubt its true. Gasoline engines only realise something around 30% of the energy in the fuel, the rest into heat, and even so most of the energy in the car goes to overcoming wind resistance at the higher speeds it travels. I seriously doubt wind resistance is an important part of walking energy expenditures in humans. Evolution is a powerful thing for energy efficiency, and cars have barely been around 100 years, and arent being subject to evolutionary pressures that focus on energy efficiency.
Why are both examples of how a faster computer could benefit society framed in a 'law and order' and 'keep the public safe' context? Smart marketing that plays upon the already nicely laid groundwork of the American administration?
:/
I wonder if faster computers could help the average person in any way at all.. cant think of any examples tho.
-math
That's a bad example the drug dealer thing. The way that the US is going, its already illegal to hang out with terrorists. As soon as they figure out a way, it will be illegal to hang out with drug dealers, then drug users. (Go see A Scanner Darkly for a nice example).
It's already illegal to write p2p sharing clients in Japan as Slashdot has reported the arrests of such authors, so soon it will be illegal to torrent anything anywhere at all.
The internet will soon be a collection of entirely controlled and mediated transactions, with everything approved before sending, and attempts to do anything illegal are logged and used against you.
... did they consider THIS: http://www.pbfcomics.com/?cid=PBF084AD-Microbot.jp g#154
-mathx
I am wondering if they're opening themselves to a charge under the OHRT for blocking legit content. Just wait til they block a political site that has nothing to do with child porn. Or a class action lawsuit.
I dont understand why they're opening the door on themselves to being classified as a non-common-carrier, meaning they will have to filter *ALL* content. If they filter child porn, why not filter emails for the same content, or discussions of same? Or discussions of *ANYTHING* illegal, from planning a bank heist, to a terrorist dinner get together to copying your friends' matrix DVDs illegally? (Not that the govt isnt already scanning for some of this).
I hope everyone does their homework on this and finds what sites they block and compiles them in a list and files a formal complaint thru the necesary channels.
-math
Wrong example man, WRONG example. Poor horse, _RIGHT_.
-math
Just a reminder, as posted in many many slashdot posts before (see http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=site%3Aslashd ot.org+ideosphere), the http://ideosphere.com/ site has been running a (non monetary) experiment in freemarket intelligence for a long time. The more players the more fun (and better information extractable from the market). Go play.
-math
or just drop to a fixedline if the voip call fails. its not rocket surgery. There are ATAs that have this built in now and are cheap. Easy to do a better job with better equipment. -mathx
Yes, please lock them up into your tiny backyards that you clamour to have rights to buy out in the urban sprawl, so you can insulate your kids from any sense of community or local responsability for engagement in the neighbourhood. If you dont do this then the 'war on terror' will seem so overblown to them they might not support your paranoid govt. Stop being godamn wimps and stand up and be brave people. Walk down the street knowing that you have a 1 in 10 million chance of being blown up by a terrorist. Real men do it all the time! And let kids scrape their knees and learn from life instead of shutting them in away from the mean ole world. Oh wait, I live in Canada, so this probably cant apply to americans, where it really IS dangerous to let kids outside. I dont know how you got to where you are and us where we are, but nice way to build your communities.
We all sit here patting ourselves on our backs for maintaining vigilance of the state, yet not doing much about it. The problem is that the masses dont have a clue about any of this, dont get it, and dont care so long as their reality tv is on every night. Just as the dude who was wearing the arabic t shirt in JFK was told (paraphrase) "these people dont care about these things [human rights/free speech]". That's what the govt is counting on.
So stop railing against the govt and start educating the people. Give them a reason to care, dont just rant at them too. Its not getting us anywhere.
-mathx.
Memories are short round here... been done before...
google 'airpwn' -> http://www.evilscheme.org/defcon/
- mathx
I thought debian only released in presidential election years...?
-math
All the ISPs had the same technical error? How about a technicality error, by the Indian govt, giving incorrect information out?