I don't see how it's any harder to verify than if it happened in the states. This is the age of information, after all - physical location really doesn't bar you from finding this stuff out, and I don't think the government/economy here in the US is any more trustworthy than that of Japan.
People are willing to pay to upgrade their copy of OSX because the new versions have new features that appeal to them. Nobody buys new versions of Windows for 5 years because new versions haven't come out. Now that one finally has, barely anyone actually wants to get it on their old systems, and many are even demanding the old version on their new systems.
Do you believe that these people are the first to discover this flaw? Possible, but it's also quite possible that they're just the first to say anything about it rather than just exploiting it for personal gain.
Putting the code out in the open increases the likelihood of problems being solved. It's true many people won't patch their systems, but you know for sure they won't apply a patch that was never written because nobody ever reported the flaw.
The article linked to presents verifiable historical fact with a little editorial opinion - no more than I'd expect from standard magazine, newspaper, or/. articles. Definitely not trolling or the like. Sounds like this domain either got a bad rap or is being campaigned against.
I bought a mac mini entirely because of its "design and building". I wanted a dual core or dual proc x86 machine with at least a gig of ram to use as a server, and I didn't want a big noisy 2'x2'x.5' tower taking up my limited apartment space. For the price I could have gotten something marginally more powerful but substantially larger and noisier, without bluetooth, firewire, or s-video (which aren't important for a server, granted, but if I want them they're there).
I don't even use OSX on the thing -- I installed Linux from day 1. I paid Apple for their "design and building", and it was the right choice.
There's always the case where you think it's worth buying, but it's too expensive. Not everyone is made of money. Wanting the price reduced on something is only reproachable for rich elitist asses. For everyone else it's something called a "market force".
If food suddenly cost 10x as much, I'm sure you wouldn't say it's overpriced. You'd either buy it or starve. That's sensible.
I think the US is just as prone to breaching freedom as those other nations. Maybe it hasn't happened yet, maybe it has (I think it has, but I can't prove it).
The key is that if we distribute control of the Internet to all nations then nobody has control of it, and no single party can regulate it. It wouldn't take long for people to figure out how to route their traffic through the right gateways that would ensure freedom of that particular kind of traffic.
Transparent solutions that work for mom'n'pop would be developed pretty quickly.
WHAT? You have no idea what you're talking about. I use both KDE and Gnome a lot, and when I feel like it I switch to E17 for variety. On my 512 MB/Ram notebook KDE and Gnome tend to use around 160-220 MB all started up these numbers include the kernel and everything. E17 uses about 45. Once again this includes the kernel.
Getting from Login to fully functional desktop in E17 takes about 1.5 seconds.
I love KDE and Gnome and the functionality they have, but nobody can tell me E17 doesn't whip the pants off of them for performance.
I agree that it would have been better to end slavery the soonest possible, and it would have been cool if the DOI did so. My point was just that since the DOI didn't, it was a damn good thing someone chose to end it purposefully rather than hope that it would happen as natural consequence. The motive of sacrificing to free the slaves rather than their freedom coming because of some personal gain (economic advantage) was a powerful statement validating the slaves as human beings and equals. Sure, things haven't been (and aren't yet) perfect or harmoneous. I understand that. I'm just willing to bet they'd be a lot worse if former enslavers (not all of them, I know) didn't say "we choose to fight slavery and free slaves. We want them to be equal."
You're right there are those that are pissed that they were forced by law to end slavery, but I think there would be a lot more former slaves that would be pissed that nobody stood up for their ancestors if the war hadn't happened. It's impossible to prove the following speculation, but I think that economics wouldn't have been enough - if free men didn't fight for the slaves they probably would have been forced to fight for themselves at one point or another. If that happened then the bitterness and division would run much deeper than it does today. I recognize that's just theory, but to me it just seems most likely.
slavery in the US would have died without the Civil War within 20 or 30 years of the war Well crap, after only 20-30 years of completely inhumane treatment, they would have been freed without intervention. Why didn't we just wait while peoples' lives were ruined systematically day by day.
Realize, also, that the damage and hate carried from slavery would have lasted generations after it was ended if it wasn't ended on principle, not personal gain.
It is important to end injustice because it is unjust, not because it is no longer profitable. We saved decades of torment and abuse, and sent the message that the slaves were valid members of society worth starting a war over. Those lost in the civil war were our apology for the abuse. Things haven't been perfect since between races, but they would have been way worse if we didn't choose to free the slaves at a cost.
If Einstein murdered his wife, he would be a murderer, not a genius. You make a very important mistake. He would still be a genius. Everything he said would still be true. People would just fail to recognize it.
The same goes for Reiser. His file system is really good. Don't let unrelated things influence your judgment of that.
Oh and the AC is an idiot for saying that:-) Couldn't help mentioning, in case he comes back to read this.
I lost my ability to mod by replying to a comment on this story - but the parent really doesn't seem to be flamebait. His reasoning is fair and his karma shouldn't suffer. He doesn't use strong language or provocative vocab, either. I think he got shafted.
Yeah, I'm with you on that. I think his delivery is terrible, but his point is very valid. I wanted to mod him up, but there were some comments I just had to reply to.
Nobody changes the world by saying "That's the way it is, nothing ever changes." By encouraging others to accept this corrupt and damaging mindset, you are being a coward. You believe you can't change it so you won't fight for it. Because you won't fight for it you tell yourself anyone would be a fool to do so... then you don't feel like a coward.
Let me make it clear that you are being one. Never encourage people to accept corruption and live with it.
Hmm. I don't usually agree with your posts, but you seem unreasonably irrational today. Perhaps you've been drinking. No that's not an insult, just saying... most of the time I disagree with you but at least you tend to make a bit more sense.
Pointing out that someone is doing something stupid is very different from them calling stupid. If you see a good friend doing something stupid, you owe it to them to warn them and speak up about it. Icaza's embracement of Mono and OOXML is a perfectly stupid thing, and even if he'd cured cancer it wouldn't change that.
The GNOME team deserves respect for their accomplishments, but that doesn't mean we should brand everything they do as perfect. They need the feedback and guidance of the community when they are making mistakes.
Dude my dad's HP laptop BSODS (with WinXP Pro, I kid you not) on shutdown. He bought it last year. If this thing doesn't "actually turn the PC off" I'd say that's not such a difference with current "desktop ready" OS's. At least it doesn't crash requiring a disk scan on reboot. Yes, this is a known problem for his model. No, it doesn't happen in Ubuntu.
I can understand why you posted AC -- You're an idiot.
Eventually, when you get a job, Microsoft will require you to actually use Vista. Unless you're willing to work in some marginal little place that Microsoft doesn't care about enough to strangle, or someplace far enough off the grid that no electronic commerce lockin matters. You mean like working for myself, making more than I would if I worked for a company? Straight out of college I freelanced and have never developed on a.NET or Windows-centric project. I refuse to. I'm doing quite fine, thanks. Not only do I not have to use Vista, I don't even use Windows. Am I a "small shop that doesn't matter"? Yes. But I make more money than a pawn in a large shop, and I DO matter, because I can decide for myself.
Further down the line, you will also be required to use Vista at home. Unless you're willing to forego any popular entertainment delivered electronically. I use Ubuntu, and I can view everything my friends can when it comes to video codecs, audio codecs, and flash. Windows people have to use Google to figure out where to find the codecs, download them, install them, and often reboot to use them. I can open Synaptic, select a pack containing all the common codecs, hit "install" and it's done. Not only do I not have to use Vista, it's easier for me than Windows users. SNAP!
Essentially, you idiots are like people who cheered everytime the British Empire or the Roman Empire or whatever empire ran into some trouble. Step back and you will see that for every little victory over evil empires commemorated in song, there are countless defeats. Is Rome still in power? Oh damn it isn't! Is Britain still in power over America? Damn, that's a NO too! Neither Canada nor the US. Well crap all those people that cheered when the Roman or British empires turned out to be right then, didn't they?
Sales numbers are irrelevant when comparing to open source software. Some people buy it, some get it free -- there's no correlation to the number of actual users.
I do a lot of freelance work out of cafes, just to get away from home. In the last two weeks I've had 3 45-55 year old types come up to me and say
Using Linux, eh? Yeah. Why?
I saw the Ubuntu sticker on your laptop. *mystified* Of course.
Good for you You can understand why I was shocked.
When old-timers know what Linux is, much less that Ubuntu is a form of Linux, it's a sign of change. Now sure it's only been 6 such encounters in the last 8 months, but still -- that's just eery. Especially considering I live in IDAHO.
My point, after the epic story, is that Linux's distribution is VERY hard to track. It can be downloaded from tons of places, via protocols that are hard to track (bit torrent), and a single user could download 9 isos, yet 10 users could install off of one CD. The numbers may be hard to track, but my experience is that there's change a-brewing.
The article is relevant because the primary draw for using Windows for many clueless users is the fact that "everyone else uses Windows." If this proved to be untrue or changing, actual choice based on what's better would be introduced. That would be a huge change, and everyone that is informed and knows what's good for the general populace wants to see that happen.
We track the progress of Vista sales because we want to keep a hand on the pulse of progress. Bowing to the bully is not progress. Choosing for yourself is. It's hard to be the first, but it gets easier to do with each person that chooses.
If by "get rid of him" you think violence is suggested, I suggest you get a therapist.
Anyway if the language is vulgar and that offends you then too bad, but the point made is actually pretty solid. I've been tracking the open source community a lot over the years and Icaza's actions have really had me thinking the same thing, minus the vulgarity.
I've often thought we're all better off not paying any attention to him or his ideas.
The DO something. What do YOU do? One thing I don't do is strategic suicide. Apparently they do (with Mono and OOXML). Congrats, GNOME devs, you're "doing something".
Now I'm not saying they don't do good work (I use GNOME a lot, and bounce between it and KDE), I'm saying this particular move is stupid. The fact that they've done a lot of good work doesn't change the fact that this move is very stupid.
I agree. I'm just saying if Flash were opened it would gain greater adoption. People are already trying to make web app(let)s with Flash that would probably work out better in Java. They're meeting with some success, even if it isn't the best choice of tools. I'm not saying Flash apps on the desktop are a good idea, but they would be a much more viable option if Flash were opened up.
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Probably people getting their XP license cheaper by 'upgrading' old unused 95 and 98 licenses. Good idea, really.
I don't see how it's any harder to verify than if it happened in the states. This is the age of information, after all - physical location really doesn't bar you from finding this stuff out, and I don't think the government/economy here in the US is any more trustworthy than that of Japan.
People are willing to pay to upgrade their copy of OSX because the new versions have new features that appeal to them. Nobody buys new versions of Windows for 5 years because new versions haven't come out. Now that one finally has, barely anyone actually wants to get it on their old systems, and many are even demanding the old version on their new systems.
Contrast.
Do you believe that these people are the first to discover this flaw? Possible, but it's also quite possible that they're just the first to say anything about it rather than just exploiting it for personal gain.
Putting the code out in the open increases the likelihood of problems being solved. It's true many people won't patch their systems, but you know for sure they won't apply a patch that was never written because nobody ever reported the flaw.
The article linked to presents verifiable historical fact with a little editorial opinion - no more than I'd expect from standard magazine, newspaper, or /. articles. Definitely not trolling or the like. Sounds like this domain either got a bad rap or is being campaigned against.
I bought a mac mini entirely because of its "design and building". I wanted a dual core or dual proc x86 machine with at least a gig of ram to use as a server, and I didn't want a big noisy 2'x2'x.5' tower taking up my limited apartment space. For the price I could have gotten something marginally more powerful but substantially larger and noisier, without bluetooth, firewire, or s-video (which aren't important for a server, granted, but if I want them they're there).
I don't even use OSX on the thing -- I installed Linux from day 1. I paid Apple for their "design and building", and it was the right choice.
There's always the case where you think it's worth buying, but it's too expensive. Not everyone is made of money. Wanting the price reduced on something is only reproachable for rich elitist asses. For everyone else it's something called a "market force".
If food suddenly cost 10x as much, I'm sure you wouldn't say it's overpriced. You'd either buy it or starve. That's sensible.
I think the US is just as prone to breaching freedom as those other nations. Maybe it hasn't happened yet, maybe it has (I think it has, but I can't prove it).
The key is that if we distribute control of the Internet to all nations then nobody has control of it, and no single party can regulate it. It wouldn't take long for people to figure out how to route their traffic through the right gateways that would ensure freedom of that particular kind of traffic.
Transparent solutions that work for mom'n'pop would be developed pretty quickly.
WHAT? You have no idea what you're talking about. I use both KDE and Gnome a lot, and when I feel like it I switch to E17 for variety. On my 512 MB/Ram notebook KDE and Gnome tend to use around 160-220 MB all started up these numbers include the kernel and everything. E17 uses about 45. Once again this includes the kernel.
Getting from Login to fully functional desktop in E17 takes about 1.5 seconds.
I love KDE and Gnome and the functionality they have, but nobody can tell me E17 doesn't whip the pants off of them for performance.
I agree that it would have been better to end slavery the soonest possible, and it would have been cool if the DOI did so. My point was just that since the DOI didn't, it was a damn good thing someone chose to end it purposefully rather than hope that it would happen as natural consequence. The motive of sacrificing to free the slaves rather than their freedom coming because of some personal gain (economic advantage) was a powerful statement validating the slaves as human beings and equals. Sure, things haven't been (and aren't yet) perfect or harmoneous. I understand that. I'm just willing to bet they'd be a lot worse if former enslavers (not all of them, I know) didn't say "we choose to fight slavery and free slaves. We want them to be equal."
You're right there are those that are pissed that they were forced by law to end slavery, but I think there would be a lot more former slaves that would be pissed that nobody stood up for their ancestors if the war hadn't happened. It's impossible to prove the following speculation, but I think that economics wouldn't have been enough - if free men didn't fight for the slaves they probably would have been forced to fight for themselves at one point or another. If that happened then the bitterness and division would run much deeper than it does today. I recognize that's just theory, but to me it just seems most likely.
Realize, also, that the damage and hate carried from slavery would have lasted generations after it was ended if it wasn't ended on principle, not personal gain.
It is important to end injustice because it is unjust, not because it is no longer profitable. We saved decades of torment and abuse, and sent the message that the slaves were valid members of society worth starting a war over. Those lost in the civil war were our apology for the abuse. Things haven't been perfect since between races, but they would have been way worse if we didn't choose to free the slaves at a cost.
The same goes for Reiser. His file system is really good. Don't let unrelated things influence your judgment of that.
Oh and the AC is an idiot for saying that
I lost my ability to mod by replying to a comment on this story - but the parent really doesn't seem to be flamebait. His reasoning is fair and his karma shouldn't suffer. He doesn't use strong language or provocative vocab, either. I think he got shafted.
Yeah, I'm with you on that. I think his delivery is terrible, but his point is very valid. I wanted to mod him up, but there were some comments I just had to reply to.
Nobody changes the world by saying "That's the way it is, nothing ever changes." By encouraging others to accept this corrupt and damaging mindset, you are being a coward. You believe you can't change it so you won't fight for it. Because you won't fight for it you tell yourself anyone would be a fool to do so... then you don't feel like a coward.
Let me make it clear that you are being one. Never encourage people to accept corruption and live with it.
Hmm. I don't usually agree with your posts, but you seem unreasonably irrational today. Perhaps you've been drinking. No that's not an insult, just saying... most of the time I disagree with you but at least you tend to make a bit more sense.
Pointing out that someone is doing something stupid is very different from them calling stupid. If you see a good friend doing something stupid, you owe it to them to warn them and speak up about it. Icaza's embracement of Mono and OOXML is a perfectly stupid thing, and even if he'd cured cancer it wouldn't change that.
The GNOME team deserves respect for their accomplishments, but that doesn't mean we should brand everything they do as perfect. They need the feedback and guidance of the community when they are making mistakes.
Dude my dad's HP laptop BSODS (with WinXP Pro, I kid you not) on shutdown. He bought it last year. If this thing doesn't "actually turn the PC off" I'd say that's not such a difference with current "desktop ready" OS's. At least it doesn't crash requiring a disk scan on reboot. Yes, this is a known problem for his model. No, it doesn't happen in Ubuntu.
Eventually, when you get a job, Microsoft will require you to actually use Vista. Unless you're willing to work in some marginal little place that Microsoft doesn't care about enough to strangle, or someplace far enough off the grid that no electronic commerce lockin matters. You mean like working for myself, making more than I would if I worked for a company? Straight out of college I freelanced and have never developed on a
I do a lot of freelance work out of cafes, just to get away from home. In the last two weeks I've had 3 45-55 year old types come up to me and say Using Linux, eh? Yeah. Why? I saw the Ubuntu sticker on your laptop. *mystified* Of course. Good for you
You can understand why I was shocked.
When old-timers know what Linux is, much less that Ubuntu is a form of Linux, it's a sign of change. Now sure it's only been 6 such encounters in the last 8 months, but still -- that's just eery. Especially considering I live in IDAHO.
My point, after the epic story, is that Linux's distribution is VERY hard to track. It can be downloaded from tons of places, via protocols that are hard to track (bit torrent), and a single user could download 9 isos, yet 10 users could install off of one CD. The numbers may be hard to track, but my experience is that there's change a-brewing.
The article is relevant because the primary draw for using Windows for many clueless users is the fact that "everyone else uses Windows." If this proved to be untrue or changing, actual choice based on what's better would be introduced. That would be a huge change, and everyone that is informed and knows what's good for the general populace wants to see that happen.
We track the progress of Vista sales because we want to keep a hand on the pulse of progress. Bowing to the bully is not progress. Choosing for yourself is. It's hard to be the first, but it gets easier to do with each person that chooses.
Wow, I'm convinced now! Your powers with logic and reason know no bounds.
If by "get rid of him" you think violence is suggested, I suggest you get a therapist.
Anyway if the language is vulgar and that offends you then too bad, but the point made is actually pretty solid. I've been tracking the open source community a lot over the years and Icaza's actions have really had me thinking the same thing, minus the vulgarity.
I've often thought we're all better off not paying any attention to him or his ideas.
Now I'm not saying they don't do good work (I use GNOME a lot, and bounce between it and KDE), I'm saying this particular move is stupid. The fact that they've done a lot of good work doesn't change the fact that this move is very stupid.
Touche. Though the incompatibilities would have to be subtle or it wouldn't be SSH.
I agree. I'm just saying if Flash were opened it would gain greater adoption. People are already trying to make web app(let)s with Flash that would probably work out better in Java. They're meeting with some success, even if it isn't the best choice of tools. I'm not saying Flash apps on the desktop are a good idea, but they would be a much more viable option if Flash were opened up.