I switched my daughter and my non-techie best friend. First off, people don't get that "software" works on specific platforms. They think that when they get a disc from their professor or from the store that it should work, (linux runs on windows right?), So when I moved my daughter to Mepis, and her Mom bought her a PSC1610, "why won't the software work?" You don't need the software. "but how will i print?", did you check to see if you had a printer? "No, where do I do that?" AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!, you see my point. Later my daughter says she can't do some things on websites, so I ran her through setting up flah and mplayer plugin, the w32codecs and then she was fine, until the next thing that isn't like windows... there is a mindset that has to be changed, the fact that they NEED those smileys and that unicorn screensaver... ahem...
I have gotten to the point, that when I take a class at the local community college, i bring either slax or mepis,(depending on what I need, sometimes knoppix), and I reboot the classroom workstation in with the cd and use koffice or openoffice to deal with any projects etc. That way I have no OS malfunctions and can get my lab work done. On my own linux boxen, i never worry about my data, as I install and test various ditros, my home folder is my home folder wether it be gnome, kde, or xfce, all my stuff is there and open-document is supported all over the place.
The thing is they THINK windows is easier, you would be surprised how some people who one week are fed up cuz windows just ate their files, and you switch them, and they want all the windows crap back.
Ooohhhh I tried, the amount of crap I got when I: 1) put a few Knoppix for Kids stations in the elementary libraries (no-one knows how to use them - no-one being the adults as the kids loved the icons and thought they had a new toy) 2) showed a cost difference between MS office and openoffice... 3) provided the form for FREE StarOffice 7 for the ENTIRE district to the CTO (and then to the purchasing agent when that did not work) 4) showed the cost difference (tech support included) on some classroom setups as in your post... DON'T BRING THAT LINUX STUFF IN HERE!
In fact the only time i was able to get oss in place was on some classroom routers,(hide them macs and block the itunes), temporary kiosks, storage/backup servers, and a trouble ticket server. All instances where I was the only one needing to interface with the root machine.
School districts run away from a big initial dollar amount, (they do not care about tco or writing off over a 5yr period), they just need to get something by the board...
Oh yeah, don't take their Ms Office away, they can't use it, but don't take it away.
700 computers, 9 sites, 2500 users. Windows Networks, all sites see each other, user logins for high and middle schools, windows 5 domains, 40 macs in a lab at the HS, 5 computer labs, 15 servers. Networks/domains already existed when I got there.
Special things: student server folders: nightly scripts to delete mp3, zip(sit rar etc) and exe(dmg bin etc) daily run of quota script and notification to "over/close to the limit" offenders
Funny things: Middle schoolers taping nickels to cds and putting them in and leaving the library, as cd-drive sounds like an out of balance washing machine..
High school kid with keyloggers, and other various hacking tools in his folder: Excuse: he was learning to be an FBI agent...:)
Teacher purchasing a server (got the funds and all), so she could have enough room for the studendts to put their video projects... then a dozen kids fragging their files because they were trying to edit 4 & 5 gig files across a 100m network:) (server must not be fast enough) hehe heheheh.
Impossible and Implausible! This makes perfect sense, so how could you even conceive that this idea would work with/be allowed near Government or Government Bureaucracy? Pffft.
So instead of using decent lowcost hardware and running freebsd, they went with the gui clone? John Goodman makes a great Daemon... does Steve Jobs plays Saddam?
Just go ask the congress and the senate, they have been doing it for years, and they don't seem to have a problem with it. Insurance companies do this too, so you can ask them... Oh yeah, the 30% loan companies... they do it too... (oh well it's actually 30% + prime) so ask them...
Phuck, the fact is the relevant data is still available to the dork... when an mp3(or any fiel) is requested from his server the requesting ip is logged.
Ok, so forget that you don't need an ipod to DOWNLOAD the mp3 that is being PODCAST, or that the link does not HAVE to be an rss feed. The reality is that if they were linking to files that were apple's prorietary format THEN AND ONLY THEN could they call it PODCASTING. Of course they would lose 80% of their followers because not everyone that listens to PODCASTS owns a phucking iPod.
Setup a batch of old dell stations that were previously part of a school "Tech Job Training" lab,(previously had win98 on them), with damnsmalllinux and did not even require any hardware upgrades, (10gb hd/700mhz celly/128mb ram); the systems were used for web, word processing and network access to a WinNT domain; and once the kids understood that rtf format could actually hold pictures but made much smaller files than doc format, they switched. The only problems we had the whole year with those machines was hardware related.
:) a pair of slax... regular and kill bill editions/:) Slax works great on a lot of hardware, and dsl does good also. You may want to check College Linux. the install is older but it being slack based you can connect slapt-get to the current release and get all updated.
It DOES NOT. In Fact, I can stop playing Quake any time I choose. And when I choose to I will. Just not right now. I have a couple more frags to get... NO Really... anytime I want...
It's called access_log it's really easy to read, and gives me tons of info that marketers would need, like where, when, what browser/version you use, what os/version... if I actually cared about where I could run the ips through a location script. Best part is it's free..:)
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the formats it plays includes
OGG!!
That is all, this has been a non-emergency broadcast system non-emergency announcement.
yes we will.
it does not like my hardware(athlonxp 2400/ati 9600 256mb/1g ram)
it runs like hammered feces on decent hardware
I switched my daughter and my non-techie best friend. First off, people don't get that "software" works on specific platforms. They think that when they get a disc from their professor or from the store that it should work, (linux runs on windows right?), So when I moved my daughter to Mepis, and her Mom bought her a PSC1610, "why won't the software work?" You don't need the software. "but how will i print?", did you check to see if you had a printer? "No, where do I do that?" AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!, you see my point. Later my daughter says she can't do some things on websites, so I ran her through setting up flah and mplayer plugin, the w32codecs and then she was fine, until the next thing that isn't like windows... there is a mindset that has to be changed, the fact that they NEED those smileys and that unicorn screensaver... ahem...
I have gotten to the point, that when I take a class at the local community college, i bring either slax or mepis,(depending on what I need, sometimes knoppix), and I reboot the classroom workstation in with the cd and use koffice or openoffice to deal with any projects etc. That way I have no OS malfunctions and can get my lab work done. On my own linux boxen, i never worry about my data, as I install and test various ditros, my home folder is my home folder wether it be gnome, kde, or xfce, all my stuff is there and open-document is supported all over the place.
The thing is they THINK windows is easier, you would be surprised how some people who one week are fed up cuz windows just ate their files, and you switch them, and they want all the windows crap back.
For Sale, $10,000 worth of iTunes music... ...
Starting at $10,000.01
Did anyone else find it interesting that they are hosting this on a Win2k iis server?
Funny choice given the stats...
Ooohhhh I tried, the amount of crap I got when I:
1) put a few Knoppix for Kids stations in the elementary libraries (no-one knows how to use them - no-one being the adults as the kids loved the icons and thought they had a new toy)
2) showed a cost difference between MS office and openoffice...
3) provided the form for FREE StarOffice 7 for the ENTIRE district to the CTO (and then to the purchasing agent when that did not work)
4) showed the cost difference (tech support included) on some classroom setups as in your post... DON'T BRING THAT LINUX STUFF IN HERE!
In fact the only time i was able to get oss in place was on some classroom routers,(hide them macs and block the itunes), temporary kiosks, storage/backup servers, and a trouble ticket server. All instances where I was the only one needing to interface with the root machine.
School districts run away from a big initial dollar amount, (they do not care about tco or writing off over a 5yr period), they just need to get something by the board...
Oh yeah, don't take their Ms Office away, they can't use it, but don't take it away.
700 computers, 9 sites, 2500 users.
:)
:)
Windows Networks, all sites see each other, user logins for high and middle schools, windows 5 domains, 40 macs in a lab at the HS, 5 computer labs, 15 servers.
Networks/domains already existed when I got there.
Special things:
student server folders: nightly scripts to delete mp3, zip(sit rar etc) and exe(dmg bin etc)
daily run of quota script and notification to "over/close to the limit" offenders
Funny things:
Middle schoolers taping nickels to cds and putting them in and leaving the library, as cd-drive sounds like an out of balance washing machine..
High school kid with keyloggers, and other various hacking tools in his folder: Excuse:
he was learning to be an FBI agent...
Teacher purchasing a server (got the funds and all), so she could have enough room for the studendts to put their video projects... then a dozen kids fragging their files because they were trying to edit 4 & 5 gig files across a 100m network
(server must not be fast enough) hehe heheheh.
1) Why don't they use the ones that already exist? :)
2) They could use the Sony Rootkit...
3) ???
4) Profit...
Impossible and Implausible! This makes perfect sense, so how could you even conceive that this idea would work with/be allowed near Government or Government Bureaucracy?
Pffft.
It is true what they say, Mac People have no sense of humor.
So instead of using decent lowcost hardware and running freebsd, they went with the gui clone?
John Goodman makes a great Daemon... does Steve Jobs plays Saddam?
Just go ask the congress and the senate, they have been doing it for years, and they don't seem to have a problem with it. Insurance companies do this too, so you can ask them... Oh yeah, the 30% loan companies... they do it too... (oh well it's actually 30% + prime) so ask them...
Better yet, why not build it with the Quake3 engine ... /drool/ /salivate/
Gubuntu, Googlinux, Googdriva, Googebian, Googepis, GoogleHat, Googell Desktop Linux oh god not...Googentoo!!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Phuck, the fact is the relevant data is still available to the dork... when an mp3(or any fiel) is requested from his server the requesting ip is logged.
Ok, so forget that you don't need an ipod to DOWNLOAD the mp3 that is being PODCAST, or that the link does not HAVE to be an rss feed. The reality is that if they were linking to files that were apple's prorietary format THEN AND ONLY THEN could they call it PODCASTING. Of course they would lose 80% of their followers because not everyone that listens to PODCASTS owns a phucking iPod.
Usenet does not know the meaining of cease let alone desist. Once the code has left the building, no lawyer will be able to put it back in... :)
Setup a batch of old dell stations that were previously part of a school "Tech Job Training" lab,(previously had win98 on them), with damnsmalllinux and did not even require any hardware upgrades, (10gb hd/700mhz celly/128mb ram); the systems were used for web, word processing and network access to a WinNT domain; and once the kids understood that rtf format could actually hold pictures but made much smaller files than doc format, they switched. The only problems we had the whole year with those machines was hardware related.
I wonder, does he work for CBS where they accept any data stream from the internet as FACT?
:) a pair of slax... regular and kill bill editions /:)
Slax works great on a lot of hardware, and dsl does good also. You may want to check College Linux. the install is older but it being slack based you can connect slapt-get to the current release and get all updated.
The Devil's first batch of payments is very lucrative...
Then come the details... is it thursday yet?
Windows is great, Linux is bad... Nothing new here, please move along...
And in other news:
Emacs Rules!
Emacs Sucks, Vi Rules!
C'mon now, everyone knows the boxes contain the ORBS from Brisco County Junior, for they are the coming thing... ;)
It DOES NOT. In Fact, I can stop playing Quake any time I choose. And when I choose to I will. Just not right now. I have a couple more frags to get... NO Really... anytime I want...
It's called access_log :)
it's really easy to read, and gives me tons of info that marketers would need, like where, when, what browser/version you use, what os/version... if I actually cared about where I could run the ips through a location script. Best part is it's free..