Yeah, but what would be the point? What's the benefit of removing MSHTML?
All you'd do is create a situation where people would remove IE, their favorite app would stop working, they'd have no idea what happened, and suddenly Microsoft's the bad guy because some moron crippled their own OS.
I also think you vastly underestimate the number of popular applications that use it, and the value of the Help system. Sure, Steam would be disabled if you removed it... but it's not nearly as easy as you imply to find a replacement for Steam, especially if you've already invested in Steam games.
That's retarded. The OS supports game controllers (you know, without making them pretend to be keyboards), Flash can definitely make use of the OS support, since I've used other Flash apps that do it. So the point is, this fucking game recommends you use a fucking gamepad, and gamepads don't fucking work. That's all there is too it.
It's great that you have a gamepad that can pretend to be a keyboard, so you can work-around the fact that the developers of this game are fucking retards. Congratulations to you. I apologize that I had the gall of buying a gamepad that doesn't meet your high standards.
But that doesn't change the fact that his game doesn't fucking work right.
Or perhaps you know, Microsoft could better design their OS to not break when one component is removed.
EVERY OS relies on an HTML rendering component. This isn't unique to Windows, it's just that Windows is the only OS that people get pissy about.
They seem to have taken IE, tied it into everything and they decided that they better make it into a library for convenience sake, rather than build a library and use it.
The built the library (that's what MSHTML is) and IE at the same time. The library for all applications to use, that was the point of it.
I'm designing a library at the moment that requires another library to function. I've designed it in such a way that if there's a better library option in the future I can remove a single file (that contains the code for interacting with the dependency) and replace it with another.
MSHTML is designed that way, too. It's no secret what it's doing, or how to replicate it's interface.
One of the first things I learned about designing software well was that coupling is a Bad Thing and should be avoided. It's a shame that some people in Microsoft can't seem to get this through their heads.
So far, you haven't shown that Microsoft's done anything different than you would do/are doing. On the contrary, you seem to be utterly clueless of how Windows and MSHTML work, but you're OK posting here and just spewing your ignorance all over the web... kudos for that, I guess.
Yes there is but it will take Microsoft to do the work, which is the way around it should be.
Why should Microsoft do the work? They've already provided all the tools required, it's up to some other browser maker to use them. It's not Microsoft's fault that nobody's bothered.
They have many smart people that could pick apart the mess and write a layer that would allow for different engines to be written while allowing 3rd party apps to continue to function as they have been doing.
Oh yeah, imagine the headline on this site... "Microsoft engineers steal Mozilla rendering engine! Horrible plot to murder all open source supporters!!!"
Again, the layer is already there. And you're completely clueless.
This would required management to step out of the way though and allow developers to write the code they (probably) wanted to write in the first place.
The code is already fucking written! Jesus Christ! It has been for a decade!!
People like you piss me off. You make some idiotic assumption about Microsoft, which isn't even close to true, then you post this long rant where you keep drawing all these *other* conclusions based on your wrong assumption. Would it be so hard to add in a "I think that" or "if this is the case" or SOMETHING in your post to indicate that you're just spewing bullshit all over?
Believe me, there's enough bullshit on the web already. Please don't add your own to the pile, if you're not sure DON'T POST.
Look, if you don't like the product, don't use the product! Shocking, I know, but there it is.
No matter if you use it or not, please don't come here and whine here about it. If you want Microsoft to make the install process easier, send feedback to Microsoft. Again: shocking, I know.
Do you want to delete the HTML rendering library? (MSHTML I believe.) Or do you want to remove the Internet Explorer binary?
The binary is just the UI to the rendering library, and it can be removed like any other Windows component in Windows 7. So if that's what you want (and realistically, it should be), then you're golden in the next version of Windows and you can stop whinging on to Slashdot about it. (Thank God, because I'm sick of the whinging.)
If, however, you want to get rid of the MSHTML library, that's not going to happen. Thousands of third-party apps rely on it, the help system and various other Windows components rely on it, and removing it would completely break Windows and third-party applications in many, many ways. Until Mozilla, Apple, Google or Opera manage to create an alternate HTML rendering library that's 100% compatible with Microsoft's, there's no way to remove MSHTML and maintain a working system. If you'd like to replace it, get on Mozilla's case (or Apple's, or Google's, or Opera's) to create a replacement for it.
Remeber, it's impossible to solve any problem you have without the law! Hire a lawyer! Did you find that spelling error annoying? Hire a lawyer! Legal action is the only way to solve problems! Actually hashing out issues with other human beings is for chumps!
But the point I was trying to make is that you shouldn't be surprised by it, considering it's been around for over two centuries now. Maybe the prize was given by 15-year-olds this year, that might explain it.
If your going to Godwin it, at least make sure it makes sense. Or do you actually believe that slaughtering all of Germany's minorities was in Germany's best interest.
Read the Fark book, and you'll soon see that BBC publishes/covers the same amount of crap as other networks/news agencies. I was actually read the book yesterday and they specifically talked about the BBC reporting a story that summed-up as "Thom Yorke decides not to speak to Tony Blair." I've never seen a more blatant non-news article.
As to bias, I won't comment, because I know my *own* biases and that's really the important thing in my mind.
But blind worship of *any* news outlet, no matter how "respected", is a terrible thing. Think critically and make your own decisions-- and be able to recognize bullshit when you see it, because you will see it.
So he gets a peace prize because people around the world who don't understand how the US Government works are surprised when the US Government changes its approach? You know, like it does EVERY. FOUR. YEARS?
In any case, why is "the US President acted only in the interests of the US" a bad thing? At worst, it's a neutral thing.
All this shows is that the world community is entirely ignorant of how the US Office of the President works. No big surprise there. The real shame is that somebody who truly deserved this award didn't get it, because it was given to Obama instead. The second-to-last thing Obama needs is more inflation of his already-huge ego, and the last thing he needs is more excuses to shirk his job and appear on fucking TV.
I have an XP machine, I just do *nothing* and it patches itself every month. Are you going out of your way to make it annoying, or what? "Yeah, I do every single step of every single MSI file manually using a hex editor, and it's sooo annoying!"
Look, here's how do you it: go to Control Panels, set updates to "Automatic", set the time to 3:00 AM (the default), then do nothing else, ever. Congratulations, you have an updated Windows box. One morning a month you might have to re-login, but that hardly counts as "hounded."
You can write a Live Arcade game with the $100 kit. The point of the Marketplace is that games can be "promoted" to Live Arcade if they are successful enough-- I'm not sure how many games this has happened with.
As far as commercial titles, nothing Microsoft does really *excludes* the $100 API, but you do have to get your game reviewed by Microsoft's quality control people, which costs far more than $100. (And possibly several times, if you fail the first time.) Of course if you do buy a physical dev kit, you can code in non-managed languages if you want, and you get much deeper debugging tools as well.
If Microsoft were only in it to get a cut of media that licenses their codecs, why did they stop licensing their codecs? They shut down the only DRM they were licensing to other parties, and instead they're using their own DRM scheme for their current Zune and Xbox Live stores-- much like Apple does for iTunes.
Here's the entirety of the DRM included with Windows Vista/7: 1) Genuine Advantage product activation. 2) Windows Media DRM decoders (used by Media Player and possibly Media Center for *legacy* DRMed music.) 3) Protected Path stuff, required for Windows to legally play Blu-ray disks.
That's it. That's all she wrote.
You're a ranting paranoid with no grasp of reality. Like so many others on this site.
The better solution for the JVM stuff is to simply never install Java. Since it has security holes, Sun's software is a giant, annoying hog of resources, and no reputable websites even use it anymore. (The third reason is probably a response to the first two reasons.)
God only knows why Apple installs it by default. They hate their customers, I guess.
IE had to change Flash movies to a "click to play" configuration-- not necessarily a bad thing, really. Other browser makers generally didn't bother, since Eolas didn't sue them.
Note that it didn't take long for the guys who made SWFObject to figure out how to embed Flash media legally and still make it auto-play, and virtually everybody uses SWFObject, so now "click to play" is mostly obsolete.
You can pretty much tell where Stallman will fall on an issue before anyone thinks to ask him - he'll be on whichever side means the most freedom for users.
Ok. I'm a user and I want to run Mono. Figure that one out.
Stallman's whole schtick is to promote freedom, but only after re-defining what the word "freedom" means. Fuck that. I want *true* freedom, and Stallman certainly isn't offering that.
No, computers just wouldn't be able to play Blu-ray disks. Sony (et al) would just declare, "you need a Blu-ray player, you can't use a Blu-ray drive in a PC" and consumers lose out. After 4-5 years pass, someone would eventually port the DRM in Windows in a third-party application (much like iTunes adds DRM that isn't currently present in Windows) allowing it to play Blu-ray disks.
Microsoft's OS runs the DRM required for Blu-ray because their customers demanded it. Putting that in other words, Microsoft is addressing people's needs!
They didn't invent the DRM, they probably don't even like the DRM, but they did it anyway because that's what people want.
Slashdot Mirror
Yeah, but what would be the point? What's the benefit of removing MSHTML?
All you'd do is create a situation where people would remove IE, their favorite app would stop working, they'd have no idea what happened, and suddenly Microsoft's the bad guy because some moron crippled their own OS.
I also think you vastly underestimate the number of popular applications that use it, and the value of the Help system. Sure, Steam would be disabled if you removed it... but it's not nearly as easy as you imply to find a replacement for Steam, especially if you've already invested in Steam games.
That's retarded. The OS supports game controllers (you know, without making them pretend to be keyboards), Flash can definitely make use of the OS support, since I've used other Flash apps that do it. So the point is, this fucking game recommends you use a fucking gamepad, and gamepads don't fucking work. That's all there is too it.
It's great that you have a gamepad that can pretend to be a keyboard, so you can work-around the fact that the developers of this game are fucking retards. Congratulations to you. I apologize that I had the gall of buying a gamepad that doesn't meet your high standards.
But that doesn't change the fact that his game doesn't fucking work right.
Or perhaps you know, Microsoft could better design their OS to not break when one component is removed.
EVERY OS relies on an HTML rendering component. This isn't unique to Windows, it's just that Windows is the only OS that people get pissy about.
They seem to have taken IE, tied it into everything and they decided that they better make it into a library for convenience sake, rather than build a library and use it.
The built the library (that's what MSHTML is) and IE at the same time. The library for all applications to use, that was the point of it.
I'm designing a library at the moment that requires another library to function. I've designed it in such a way that if there's a better library option in the future I can remove a single file (that contains the code for interacting with the dependency) and replace it with another.
MSHTML is designed that way, too. It's no secret what it's doing, or how to replicate it's interface.
One of the first things I learned about designing software well was that coupling is a Bad Thing and should be avoided. It's a shame that some people in Microsoft can't seem to get this through their heads.
So far, you haven't shown that Microsoft's done anything different than you would do/are doing. On the contrary, you seem to be utterly clueless of how Windows and MSHTML work, but you're OK posting here and just spewing your ignorance all over the web... kudos for that, I guess.
Yes there is but it will take Microsoft to do the work, which is the way around it should be.
Why should Microsoft do the work? They've already provided all the tools required, it's up to some other browser maker to use them. It's not Microsoft's fault that nobody's bothered.
They have many smart people that could pick apart the mess and write a layer that would allow for different engines to be written while allowing 3rd party apps to continue to function as they have been doing.
Oh yeah, imagine the headline on this site... "Microsoft engineers steal Mozilla rendering engine! Horrible plot to murder all open source supporters!!!"
Again, the layer is already there. And you're completely clueless.
This would required management to step out of the way though and allow developers to write the code they (probably) wanted to write in the first place.
The code is already fucking written! Jesus Christ! It has been for a decade!!
People like you piss me off. You make some idiotic assumption about Microsoft, which isn't even close to true, then you post this long rant where you keep drawing all these *other* conclusions based on your wrong assumption. Would it be so hard to add in a "I think that" or "if this is the case" or SOMETHING in your post to indicate that you're just spewing bullshit all over?
Believe me, there's enough bullshit on the web already. Please don't add your own to the pile, if you're not sure DON'T POST.
It wasn't just a mainframe, it was a quasi-celebrity mainframe. Whatever the fuck that means.
Kind of weird the instructions say "best played with a gamepad" when it doesn't actually work with a gamepad... brilliant.
Then use something else!! Jesus Christ.
Look, if you don't like the product, don't use the product! Shocking, I know, but there it is.
No matter if you use it or not, please don't come here and whine here about it. If you want Microsoft to make the install process easier, send feedback to Microsoft. Again: shocking, I know.
Because Microsoft doesn't want their user experience to be shit? Duh.
You have to be a little more specific.
Do you want to delete the HTML rendering library? (MSHTML I believe.) Or do you want to remove the Internet Explorer binary?
The binary is just the UI to the rendering library, and it can be removed like any other Windows component in Windows 7. So if that's what you want (and realistically, it should be), then you're golden in the next version of Windows and you can stop whinging on to Slashdot about it. (Thank God, because I'm sick of the whinging.)
If, however, you want to get rid of the MSHTML library, that's not going to happen. Thousands of third-party apps rely on it, the help system and various other Windows components rely on it, and removing it would completely break Windows and third-party applications in many, many ways. Until Mozilla, Apple, Google or Opera manage to create an alternate HTML rendering library that's 100% compatible with Microsoft's, there's no way to remove MSHTML and maintain a working system. If you'd like to replace it, get on Mozilla's case (or Apple's, or Google's, or Opera's) to create a replacement for it.
Remeber, it's impossible to solve any problem you have without the law! Hire a lawyer! Did you find that spelling error annoying? Hire a lawyer! Legal action is the only way to solve problems! Actually hashing out issues with other human beings is for chumps!
An interesting point: This research is being done in China, not the United States. Whatever happened to basic research being done in the US?
One well-known research project is done in China, therefore there is no basic research being done in the US!!!
Brilliant deduction there, Sherlock.
http://nonadventures.com/2009/09/19/worst-person-shooter/
If you don't like it, you don't like it. Fine.
But the point I was trying to make is that you shouldn't be surprised by it, considering it's been around for over two centuries now. Maybe the prize was given by 15-year-olds this year, that might explain it.
If your going to Godwin it, at least make sure it makes sense. Or do you actually believe that slaughtering all of Germany's minorities was in Germany's best interest.
Read the Fark book, and you'll soon see that BBC publishes/covers the same amount of crap as other networks/news agencies. I was actually read the book yesterday and they specifically talked about the BBC reporting a story that summed-up as "Thom Yorke decides not to speak to Tony Blair." I've never seen a more blatant non-news article.
As to bias, I won't comment, because I know my *own* biases and that's really the important thing in my mind.
But blind worship of *any* news outlet, no matter how "respected", is a terrible thing. Think critically and make your own decisions-- and be able to recognize bullshit when you see it, because you will see it.
So he gets a peace prize because people around the world who don't understand how the US Government works are surprised when the US Government changes its approach? You know, like it does EVERY. FOUR. YEARS?
In any case, why is "the US President acted only in the interests of the US" a bad thing? At worst, it's a neutral thing.
All this shows is that the world community is entirely ignorant of how the US Office of the President works. No big surprise there. The real shame is that somebody who truly deserved this award didn't get it, because it was given to Obama instead. The second-to-last thing Obama needs is more inflation of his already-huge ego, and the last thing he needs is more excuses to shirk his job and appear on fucking TV.
What are you talking about "hounded?"
I have an XP machine, I just do *nothing* and it patches itself every month. Are you going out of your way to make it annoying, or what? "Yeah, I do every single step of every single MSI file manually using a hex editor, and it's sooo annoying!"
Look, here's how do you it: go to Control Panels, set updates to "Automatic", set the time to 3:00 AM (the default), then do nothing else, ever. Congratulations, you have an updated Windows box. One morning a month you might have to re-login, but that hardly counts as "hounded."
You can write a Live Arcade game with the $100 kit. The point of the Marketplace is that games can be "promoted" to Live Arcade if they are successful enough-- I'm not sure how many games this has happened with.
As far as commercial titles, nothing Microsoft does really *excludes* the $100 API, but you do have to get your game reviewed by Microsoft's quality control people, which costs far more than $100. (And possibly several times, if you fail the first time.) Of course if you do buy a physical dev kit, you can code in non-managed languages if you want, and you get much deeper debugging tools as well.
... Burma-Shave!
I think it's implied in the "Genetics" advancement, which leads to modern medicine among other things.
If Microsoft were only in it to get a cut of media that licenses their codecs, why did they stop licensing their codecs? They shut down the only DRM they were licensing to other parties, and instead they're using their own DRM scheme for their current Zune and Xbox Live stores-- much like Apple does for iTunes.
Here's the entirety of the DRM included with Windows Vista/7:
1) Genuine Advantage product activation.
2) Windows Media DRM decoders (used by Media Player and possibly Media Center for *legacy* DRMed music.)
3) Protected Path stuff, required for Windows to legally play Blu-ray disks.
That's it. That's all she wrote.
You're a ranting paranoid with no grasp of reality. Like so many others on this site.
The better solution for the JVM stuff is to simply never install Java. Since it has security holes, Sun's software is a giant, annoying hog of resources, and no reputable websites even use it anymore. (The third reason is probably a response to the first two reasons.)
God only knows why Apple installs it by default. They hate their customers, I guess.
IE had to change Flash movies to a "click to play" configuration-- not necessarily a bad thing, really. Other browser makers generally didn't bother, since Eolas didn't sue them.
Note that it didn't take long for the guys who made SWFObject to figure out how to embed Flash media legally and still make it auto-play, and virtually everybody uses SWFObject, so now "click to play" is mostly obsolete.
How do you know there isn't? The trailer is just a ... trailer.
You can pretty much tell where Stallman will fall on an issue before anyone thinks to ask him - he'll be on whichever side means the most freedom for users.
Ok. I'm a user and I want to run Mono. Figure that one out.
Stallman's whole schtick is to promote freedom, but only after re-defining what the word "freedom" means. Fuck that. I want *true* freedom, and Stallman certainly isn't offering that.
No, computers just wouldn't be able to play Blu-ray disks. Sony (et al) would just declare, "you need a Blu-ray player, you can't use a Blu-ray drive in a PC" and consumers lose out. After 4-5 years pass, someone would eventually port the DRM in Windows in a third-party application (much like iTunes adds DRM that isn't currently present in Windows) allowing it to play Blu-ray disks.
Microsoft's OS runs the DRM required for Blu-ray because their customers demanded it. Putting that in other words, Microsoft is addressing people's needs!
They didn't invent the DRM, they probably don't even like the DRM, but they did it anyway because that's what people want.