Gawd, where do they find these imbecile "experts"??
They apparently have *zero* clue how this works...
Multiple images? Multiple systems to protect? Are they fraking High??
Apply existing policies to a new Virtual image, use that image, in non-persistant mode, accessed from the server, for everyone.
Problem solved. *one* Image, one "system" to secure, antivirus and patch....and here I thought the slashdot crowd was supposed to be computer literate.
Google's tools are designed to make is easy to search the web.
TPB's tools make it easy to download copyrighted material.
This is the same BS that came up after the Napster trial, and is BS for the very same reason.
Put simply:
Google is designed to search the Web.
TPB is designed to assist piracy.
I know we're all well aware of the 80/20 rule..but apparently that goes out the window in your efforts to rationalize your overblown sense of entitlement to the creative works of others.
"Rubbish. 2D acceleration has been around for donkeys years."
New stuff can't be faster than old stuff...right. Got it. (Do you realize how ridiculous that sounds?)
We get you don't like animations. Really.
You're *way* behind the curve on that. That's not the problem, that's fine. It's your choice...I get that. The problem is when you only look at it from your (rare) circumstance.
But seriously... Drawing windows directly from the GPU/DDR3 is a *hell* of a lot faster than drawing them from the CPU/System RAM. No, I don't have benchmarks, it's just common sense.
Calling it "slower" because of a "fade in/out" animation is misleading. I wasn't commenting on animation vs. non animated.;-)
To enable the old "status bar", open an explorer window and hit the "ALT" key. This will bring back the old "Menu Bar". Click "View" and tick "Status Bar".
Now, in Aero, I got the status bar, but no "free space" indication. Perhaps in Classic you'll have better luck or at least a starting point to perhaps finding another solution (Regedit?).
You might also want to look @ some gadgets. I know there are HDD gadgets out there, but depending on your screen real-estate, this might not be a usable option.
"I'll have to accept your link I suppose but I will continue to question anything "
There is *nothing* wrong with that.:)
Nothing wrong with being a performance junkie either. Been there, done that. Vista was a *huge* disappointment and even with the latest benchmarks and what-not I still cannot bring myself to use it again. I was crushed because I expected so much, and got burned for it.
I went into the Win7 betas with eyes-wide-open and was shocked. I was expecting Vista SP2. I was expecting what all the trolls are claiming (Vista re-skinned). I ended up with an OS that actually works and works *well*.
I have an old HP lappy (ze2000: 1GB RAM, single-core, ATi mobility 200 chipset) and threw it on there...not even expecting it to be able to install. lo and behold, not only did it install, but after running WHEI, it enabled Aero and blew my mind. This leads me to believe that Windows 7 tunes the system to your score a *lot* better than Vista ever did. XP ran like a dog on this laptop...I was about to throw it away. Win7 (the beta build) actually convinced me to hang on to it.
Haven't tried the latest builds on it yet, just on my desktop, but.... I hear rumor that 7068 (leaked?) works better on netbooks, which have lower specs than this thing, so.... maybe worth a shot.
*shrug*
I'll go home for lunch today and try to get that "free disk space status bar" for ya. It's there somewhere. I know I've seen it....
"1, I require a very very fast OS, I work quick, using the keyboard and want things done NOW - my tools should not hamper me, my brain should"
Aero is faster than GDI on systems with 512MB or more GPU RAM. GDI uses the CPU, Aero uses the GPU = lower resource usage.
"2, RDP, servers, Win2k, WinXP, Win2k3, RDP to any of those systems - all look relatively consistent in classic mode."
I get you on that one. I hate running linux in a VM because the interfaces are so vastly different. I am just saying that the usability improvements in Win7 are worth a look.
"3, Simplicity and ease of data to my brain, it's clear, simple, precise - like a terminal - I just get the information I need in a simple box."
Then you should still be using DOS prompts? I am afraid you are going to be left behind on this one. Most people prefer form *and* function over just function. But you are welcome to your ideal.
"4, animations just lag things while waiting for them - see #1"
See my response to #1.
"5, I prefer the look"
See my response to #3.
"If you know where to find the show drive space, PLEASE tell me"
I will look at it when I get home and post it for ya. I know it's there...
Oh, and in case you haven't heard, Vista is running much better than it did upon release. So much so, in fact, that it does indeed outperform XP in some areas. Sure, it still sucks for the most part, but I have seen *several* (not just one) benchmarks indicating that Vista is slowly gaining a performance advantage over XP....and that Windows 7 is simply schooling both of them in terms of performance *and* usability.
"Vista and Win7 are KNOWN to thrash and pork about in your hard disk like a nosy schoolgirl"
uh, no? That'd be Vista. Win7...not so much. I am running it on 3 machines at home. Will not go back to XP. Ever....and Yes, I bought vista Ultimate...and hate it (and hate MSFT for screwing me on "Extras"). []
Oh, and yes, extremetech also has benchmarks regarding the vista XP thing. Those are ancient though but they still show Vista edging ahead.
According to press releases, build 7068 of Win7 runs quite well (well, better than previous builds, which also ran quite well) on netbooks.
They tuned the install and such, but most netbooks now are shipping with dual-core and 1GB of ram now anyway, so... Win7 should run just fine regardless.
This coming from someone who has it installed on an old HP ze2000 lappy with 1GB of RAM, a single-core CPU, and an old ATi Mobility chipset...in Aero. It runs faster than XP did on that "beast".
"I still follow the same rules I did with XP and Vista, I'm in classic mode, I'm primarily using it for day to day and I find the user interface...... frustrating but improved."
Um....classic mode? Why? The interface was designed for use in it's default (Aero) mode..and in most folks opinions, is *much* improved. I can't *stand* Xp's (or vista's) taskbar now. Hate 'em.
Give it a try? Seriously..not just for 30 seconds...
"There's still some absoloutely stupid rubbish (the status bar in explorer has had the drive free space removed, WHY?)"
Don't have it in front of me, but I believe you can re-enable it in folder options.
"they need to look at why people love XP and expand upon it but sadly they aren't thinking in that direction"
Of course not. They are looking at the competition, at what their usability gurus (who are backed by metric tonnes of research) and their customers are saying. Yes, sadly, they have actually started listening to their customers...what is the world coming to?;-)
Respond to a call to provide benchmarks showing Windows is slower due to DRM and you utterly fail to provide anything but the same BS the rest of the trolls post.
How cute...
As stated previously, the DRM in Vista/Win7 is *only* active if you are playing back protected content....genius. Try actually having a clue what you are talking about next time....mmmkay?
That service is exactly what he was concerned about.
If this offends you, too bad. We don't know the guy, we don't know his friends or family. While one would expect them to experience grief and deal accordingly, complete strangers are not subject to such a response, and should *not* be expected to *pretend* to be so in order to appease your overblown sense of moral empathy.
Which is worse; pandering mock sympathy for someone we know nothing about, or an honest concern for the work and its future that this individual inspired?
"Only a fool would judge performance based on a beta. "
Of course. Generally, the development bits are quite a bit slower than the RTM bits. But then, considering it's already beating out its predecessors, one can logically assume the RTM bits, with the debug code stripped, will be even better.
"how do you know it's a legitimate beta, and not an enhanced demo?"
Because my tinfoil hat isn't on quite as tightly as yours is.
"Speed is not the only measure of an Operating System. If it were, we'd all still be using command lines."
What's the biggest complaint about Vista again... Oh yeah...when released it was slower than it's predecessor by leaps and bounds....seems like it was a pretty important measurement for many folks, eh?
Don't worry, I won't be expecting an answer related at all to actual DRM included in the OSes listed above. I know that'd be too much work for you...and you'd likely explode when you finally realized the only DRM in those OSes is support for playback...no lock-in.
G'day, troll! (This in no way implies that the OP is not also a troll)
If you don't want camera phones used in your establishment, put up a sign and enforce it.
Why in God's name is it that every time some "save the children" whack job finds something (s)he doesn't like, they have to make a big stink about it and not only force their views on everyone else, but make us all *pay* for it as well???
Take some responsibility, you pathetic mindless drones and leave the rest of us the hell alone!
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I'm pretty sure anyone installing the RC isn't expecting to be using it a year from now.
Of those who *like* this OS:
Those who are willing to buy an OS will buy it, those who are not will pirate it or go back to Linux.
Those who won't do either...don't even know what an RC is, much less MSDN, or technet and won't be using it.
Gawd, where do they find these imbecile "experts"??
They apparently have *zero* clue how this works...
Multiple images? Multiple systems to protect? Are they fraking High??
Apply existing policies to a new Virtual image, use that image, in non-persistant mode, accessed from the server, for everyone.
Problem solved. *one* Image, one "system" to secure, antivirus and patch. ...and here I thought the slashdot crowd was supposed to be computer literate.
No, genius.
Miss the 80/20 bit? They can be purely a tracker *and* be legal...
All they need to do is stop hosting torrents to copyrighted content.
Why do you people have to try so hard to make something simple so complicated?
Nothing, you morons.
Google is a web search engine.
TPB is a torrent search engine.
Google's tools are designed to make is easy to search the web.
TPB's tools make it easy to download copyrighted material.
This is the same BS that came up after the Napster trial, and is BS for the very same reason.
Put simply:
Google is designed to search the Web.
TPB is designed to assist piracy.
I know we're all well aware of the 80/20 rule..but apparently that goes out the window in your efforts to rationalize your overblown sense of entitlement to the creative works of others.
SPOON!!!!
"Rubbish.
2D acceleration has been around for donkeys years."
New stuff can't be faster than old stuff...right. Got it. (Do you realize how ridiculous that sounds?)
We get you don't like animations. Really.
You're *way* behind the curve on that. That's not the problem, that's fine. It's your choice...I get that. The problem is when you only look at it from your (rare) circumstance.
But seriously... Drawing windows directly from the GPU/DDR3 is a *hell* of a lot faster than drawing them from the CPU/System RAM. No, I don't have benchmarks, it's just common sense.
Calling it "slower" because of a "fade in/out" animation is misleading. I wasn't commenting on animation vs. non animated. ;-)
Couldn't find a way to PM, so here it is:
To enable the old "status bar", open an explorer window and hit the "ALT" key. This will bring back the old "Menu Bar". Click "View" and tick "Status Bar".
Now, in Aero, I got the status bar, but no "free space" indication. Perhaps in Classic you'll have better luck or at least a starting point to perhaps finding another solution (Regedit?).
You might also want to look @ some gadgets. I know there are HDD gadgets out there, but depending on your screen real-estate, this might not be a usable option.
GL, man. If you find out more, let me know. :)
"I'll have to accept your link I suppose but I will continue to question anything "
There is *nothing* wrong with that. :)
Nothing wrong with being a performance junkie either. Been there, done that. Vista was a *huge* disappointment and even with the latest benchmarks and what-not I still cannot bring myself to use it again. I was crushed because I expected so much, and got burned for it.
I went into the Win7 betas with eyes-wide-open and was shocked. I was expecting Vista SP2. I was expecting what all the trolls are claiming (Vista re-skinned). I ended up with an OS that actually works and works *well*.
I have an old HP lappy (ze2000: 1GB RAM, single-core, ATi mobility 200 chipset) and threw it on there...not even expecting it to be able to install. lo and behold, not only did it install, but after running WHEI, it enabled Aero and blew my mind. This leads me to believe that Windows 7 tunes the system to your score a *lot* better than Vista ever did. XP ran like a dog on this laptop...I was about to throw it away. Win7 (the beta build) actually convinced me to hang on to it.
Haven't tried the latest builds on it yet, just on my desktop, but.... I hear rumor that 7068 (leaked?) works better on netbooks, which have lower specs than this thing, so.... maybe worth a shot.
*shrug*
I'll go home for lunch today and try to get that "free disk space status bar" for ya. It's there somewhere. I know I've seen it....
"1, I require a very very fast OS, I work quick, using the keyboard and want things done NOW - my tools should not hamper me, my brain should"
Aero is faster than GDI on systems with 512MB or more GPU RAM. GDI uses the CPU, Aero uses the GPU = lower resource usage.
"2, RDP, servers, Win2k, WinXP, Win2k3, RDP to any of those systems - all look relatively consistent in classic mode."
I get you on that one. I hate running linux in a VM because the interfaces are so vastly different. I am just saying that the usability improvements in Win7 are worth a look.
"3, Simplicity and ease of data to my brain, it's clear, simple, precise - like a terminal - I just get the information I need in a simple box."
Then you should still be using DOS prompts? I am afraid you are going to be left behind on this one. Most people prefer form *and* function over just function. But you are welcome to your ideal.
"4, animations just lag things while waiting for them - see #1"
See my response to #1.
"5, I prefer the look"
See my response to #3.
"If you know where to find the show drive space, PLEASE tell me"
I will look at it when I get home and post it for ya. I know it's there...
Did you read the article?
Nah....
Same hardware.
Oh, and in case you haven't heard, Vista is running much better than it did upon release. So much so, in fact, that it does indeed outperform XP in some areas. Sure, it still sucks for the most part, but I have seen *several* (not just one) benchmarks indicating that Vista is slowly gaining a performance advantage over XP....and that Windows 7 is simply schooling both of them in terms of performance *and* usability.
"Vista and Win7 are KNOWN to thrash and pork about in your hard disk like a nosy schoolgirl"
uh, no? That'd be Vista. Win7...not so much. I am running it on 3 machines at home. Will not go back to XP. Ever. ...and Yes, I bought vista Ultimate...and hate it (and hate MSFT for screwing me on "Extras").
[]
Oh, and yes, extremetech also has benchmarks regarding the vista XP thing. Those are ancient though but they still show Vista edging ahead.
Quick Google search provided: http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,2845,2302499,00.asp
According to press releases, build 7068 of Win7 runs quite well (well, better than previous builds, which also ran quite well) on netbooks.
They tuned the install and such, but most netbooks now are shipping with dual-core and 1GB of ram now anyway, so... Win7 should run just fine regardless.
This coming from someone who has it installed on an old HP ze2000 lappy with 1GB of RAM, a single-core CPU, and an old ATi Mobility chipset...in Aero. It runs faster than XP did on that "beast".
"I still follow the same rules I did with XP and Vista, I'm in classic mode, I'm primarily using it for day to day and I find the user interface ...... frustrating but improved."
Um....classic mode? Why? The interface was designed for use in it's default (Aero) mode..and in most folks opinions, is *much* improved. I can't *stand* Xp's (or vista's) taskbar now. Hate 'em.
Give it a try? Seriously..not just for 30 seconds...
"There's still some absoloutely stupid rubbish (the status bar in explorer has had the drive free space removed, WHY?)"
Don't have it in front of me, but I believe you can re-enable it in folder options.
"they need to look at why people love XP and expand upon it but sadly they aren't thinking in that direction"
Of course not. They are looking at the competition, at what their usability gurus (who are backed by metric tonnes of research) and their customers are saying. Yes, sadly, they have actually started listening to their customers...what is the world coming to? ;-)
Genius...
Respond to a call to provide benchmarks showing Windows is slower due to DRM and you utterly fail to provide anything but the same BS the rest of the trolls post.
How cute...
As stated previously, the DRM in Vista/Win7 is *only* active if you are playing back protected content....genius. Try actually having a clue what you are talking about next time....mmmkay?
http://content.zdnet.com/2346-12554_22-278706-34.html
Faster than Vista and XP
http://content.zdnet.com/2346-12554_22-278706-35.html
Faster than both as well as earlier versions of itself.
But no, obviously, no Windows OS could ever be faster than it's predecessors.. (Slashdot..SSDD)
That service is exactly what he was concerned about.
If this offends you, too bad. We don't know the guy, we don't know his friends or family. While one would expect them to experience grief and deal accordingly, complete strangers are not subject to such a response, and should *not* be expected to *pretend* to be so in order to appease your overblown sense of moral empathy.
Which is worse; pandering mock sympathy for someone we know nothing about, or an honest concern for the work and its future that this individual inspired?
Think about it for more than 2 seconds...
"Only a fool would judge performance based on a beta. "
Of course. Generally, the development bits are quite a bit slower than the RTM bits. But then, considering it's already beating out its predecessors, one can logically assume the RTM bits, with the debug code stripped, will be even better.
"how do you know it's a legitimate beta, and not an enhanced demo?"
Because my tinfoil hat isn't on quite as tightly as yours is.
No idea what beta's you used. The memory leaks (the main issue with WinME)existed in *every* single build released to testers.
Look at the tests?
Same hardware, same software.
"Speed is not the only measure of an Operating System. If it were, we'd all still be using command lines."
What's the biggest complaint about Vista again... Oh yeah...when released it was slower than it's predecessor by leaps and bounds....seems like it was a pretty important measurement for many folks, eh?
.....
Because there have been numerous betas that have blown both Vista and even XP out of the water?
http://content.zdnet.com/2346-12554_22-278706-34.html
[] ...or that it is even improving as it progresses through beta:
http://content.zdnet.com/2346-12554_22-278706-35.html
Yeah, I know....someone backing up their statements on Slashdot with actual results? What was I thinking?
The dog won't go to jail or cost the family fortune if he doesn't and gets caught by someone else...
Lame.
Starter- emerging markets. Basic desktop, limited functionality.
Home Basic, No media Center, no Aero. Otherwise, same as WHP.
Home Premium - Aero, Media Center.
Just because *you* can't figure it out doesn't mean the rest of the world is that clueless.
What DRM lock-in?
Don't worry, I won't be expecting an answer related at all to actual DRM included in the OSes listed above. I know that'd be too much work for you...and you'd likely explode when you finally realized the only DRM in those OSes is support for playback...no lock-in.
G'day, troll! (This in no way implies that the OP is not also a troll)
No doubt...
They need to make a youTube commercial for this...
Do you think Phil Collins is available?
If you don't want camera phones used in your establishment, put up a sign and enforce it.
Why in God's name is it that every time some "save the children" whack job finds something (s)he doesn't like, they have to make a big stink about it and not only force their views on everyone else, but make us all *pay* for it as well???
Take some responsibility, you pathetic mindless drones and leave the rest of us the hell alone!
That should be fine. The macros will still work, they just can't be edited. When/if you need to edit them, simply un-share the workbook.
Hope it helps. :)