If that's correct, I wouldnt consider it much of a threat at all. It is scientifically correct for NIST to seek a hash that, in principle, is random enough to be brute-force-equal in terms of no. of attempts required, but practically it will make little difference.
There should be no password entry scheme in the world, in whatever application, that allows this number of attempts without delaying the attacker for years using various methods. But why did you say that
"find a collision to a known string" is different than the problem here? Aren't we talking about the input strings? If so, will it not take approx 2^63 attempts to find a string producing the same hash whatever the input?
Good point. The GP is using the word "they" in an attempt to group the enemies of the US in a manner compatible with the stereotype he is unreservedly convinced by. Bunching Arabs/Muslims together like that will not help understanding the current state of affairs nor how to get past this difficult time in history. In fact, it is this stereotyping that underlies much of the ignorance shown by our politicians, and those who adamantly support their policies.
Today we are hated primarily for our long-standing bias in the Palestine issue and, more acutely, the newsreel coming out of Iraq everyday. A period of five years that involve no war or hostile behaviour towards the mideast in general would do wonders for our image among the citizens there. Yes, there will always be extremists working against their own governments as well as ours, but the public sentiment that fuels such extremism will not exist.
As for the claim that neutral nations like France are still "hated", it is false. The quoted internal troubles are not the result of ideological extremism or religious intolerance. They are the product of injustice and racial issues between the police and the youth of France. GP sounds like a typical Muslim basher whose mentality revolves around us-and-them. This is why wars exist.
There is certainly nothing wrong with naked female breasts
Actually there is. Who decides what is wrong or right? You? Me? Almost every culture and religion in the world has moral reservations/ideals concerning sex, because it is a matter that involves human dignity, intimacy, and human control over animal instinct. You won't learn this from maths class, you learn this from being brought up with values and ideals instead of just desires.
You think topless is fine...why stop there? How do you draw your lines? Human morality has a lot more to it than the materialist (and frankly disgusting) pain-and-pleasure scale you seem to weigh everything with. From U.S to Egypt to Tokyo, people cover their private parts almost instinctively, and women are a little different from men(clothing wise) because breasts and chests are not quite the same in sexual terms.
Of course jail time for something like this is ridiculous, but people have a right to be upset about what their children are being exposed to. With time they will come into contact with the way society has developed, but that does not mean they have to become habituated to the lack of moral code involving sex OR violence.
From what I have seen, people in the middle east and north africa have had this for ages. And, on a related note: mobile service providers like Vodafone have nothing to do with the actual handsets people buy from various vendors. You simply insert standard SIM cards and can swap them between phones.
These people can never understand restrictions like the one that has just been removed, and for a good reason: they don't make sense. Is there some sort of survey of the countries that have a standard de-linking between service provision and hardware? It would be interesting to know.
A lot of people talk about the "black market" but very few have ever been involved. There is so much collaboration now between intelligence and ISPs that it is quite difficult to make big money without having your butt exposed. I personally have never tried, despite being very interested in this "field", but from what I hear much of the money comes from bots/adware as opposed to the hollywood-ish hack-a-bank for the mafia nonsense.
Perhaps some of the more involved Anonymous Cowards can tell us more about the [evil]market?
I didn't mean that at all. I was just referring to how anything even remotely associated with values(like the parent post) or religion is viewed with contempt by many here. I do think that alchohol is the cause of much evil, but unless you are required to abstain from it for religious reasons then I cannot hold you to blame for drinking moderately can I?
Your argument is called Communism, unless you are talking about equal chances to obtain wealth rather than sharing the wealth itself equally regadless of inheritance.
Property is not an invention, it is ancient, common sense. You should not be forced to share what you obtain from your own efforts or your parents'. Trying to impose what you see as social justice is plain stupid. We are born equal in rights as human beings, not equal in assets or abilities.
As for the issue at hand, immigration needs to be controlled or the nation's infrasturcture will collapse. There are millions of people in the world who need help, and that is a moral responsibility, but immigration into a nation must be to the collective nation's benefit. You can't let people in arbitrarily without understanding where they plan to work..etc, and that is for their benefit as well as yours.
You are not alone. You'd be surprised how many people don't drink out of principle, or think the current culture of booze, sex, and general hedonism is acceptable as a way of life. But you are posting on slashdot, so beware of thoughtcrime. Any hint of abstinence/moral inclination/religious value will put you in this big bag marked IGNORANCE, which many here feel is naturally associated with these things.
And they have a point, given that the outspoken "conservatives" are usually idiots, and the real ones don't feel there's a point to be made by arguing anymore.
One of our HR people just to prove a point attempted to look at my profile, and then sent me a friend request which I denied for that reason.
That's the funniest thing I read all week. What do you mean you denied him..your HR staff want to be your friend! Don't be such an ass. Besides, you don't want him to report to your boss saying that he sent you a friend request on Myspace and you declined. Oh wait, maybe you do.
A timing mistake in some piece of the shuttles navigation code by one cpu clockcount would put the shuttle 3 miles off course.
I hope they weren't using Java (see discussions further up on Rover software). Anything other than tight assembler programming for this kind of work would be funny. Also, I can't see how they can guarantee anything down to a single clock cycle, even with extremely hardware-specifc OS running the code. This is truly painful just to think about.
You're very right. I'm 23 and although most scientific endeavors interest me, the "space exploration" bit just doesnt involve enough "science" anymore. There is nothing new about the universe that is about to be discovered by sending people a little farther out in the solar system. It's just expensive and risks some very important lives, with no wild patriotism left to drive it.
But most people are still interested in putting up big telescopes..etc for science. Yes, some of us still want to understand the universe better, and our interest in this is not likely to change with the apathy of this generation or (worse?) the next.
That Q almost caused me to flunk my last semester in college, and I'm a high honors grad. It's the shock you get when you realize there isn't any meaning at all. Nothing you can do truly matters or has "purpose". I know you were kidding, but this is the most depressing, madness-instilling question anyone can think of. If you're a deep enough thinker you can end up with a life of crime, ditch your career to sing in bars..etc.
Life is "wholesome" with friends, family, God, and so on... yet it is purely accidental and therefore pointless. There are many ways to live it, but you'd best leave a noble passage so that when you finally exit, there are people who will come to your funeral the way they will go to Gerald Ford's. People who will lay flowers and say that you will be missed.
If he turns out to be innocent, it will be just that much sadder -- he will have lost his wife and be ruined.
Read up on the case..he's not going to be sad for "losing" his wife. The bitch cheated on him, let another man screw her in HIS house (which she then tried to take away). It is no excuse for murder, but this case is as filthy as it gets.
If he is innocent, the justice system you talk about will probably work the way it should. He is a smart guy and won't go down easily, even without lawyers who know all the tricks. The state's prosecuters are no better than cheap defense lawyers.
You are over-simplifying things. The concept of "free will" or choice will always be important because there is a (legal) difference between those who are apparently making a choice and those who are acting without this awareness.
In all cases, advances in neurobiology will only come to prove the obvious: everything happens for a reason. If there is no God, then the "reasons" at any physical level will end up being the output of the physical state of the universe, and no more. All your instincts, your desires, your reasoning..your choices, are simply the product of electrical activity in your brain, which itself is a combination of current physical environment and triggered chemical secretions, which are governed by your DNA...etc.
You appear to "make a choice", but your choice is made for subconscious reasons outside your control. I agree with you here that this is uninteresting since my awareness of the choice is what I consider to be freedom of action, but it is nonetheless essential to understand that my "choice" is only an illusion. Yes, punishment and reward should exist, but only as a deterrent/motivation. Morality, like "choice", is an emotional illusion. We can choose to go with our instincts, but we must recognize them for what they are.
The Godless world is a very very grim place. You cannot escape these facts, and I say this as an athiest.
Not really. When you copy the mp3 off something that has already been purchased, none of the parties you mention are deprived of what you claim. There is a big difference between buying the music once and using it as you wish(including sharing), and taking it "from the shop" as you suggested.
I am also a musician and strongly disagree with your assumptions. Digital media is an entirely different world. As many have pointed out before, the electronic age has changed many concepts of privacy/ownership/property rights due to the fact that it is the initial effort behind the product, rather than the product itself, which is valuable. The CD is worthless. It is not a matter of data. It is a matter of permission to use the data, and that is where things get ugly.
I agree with you of course that people selling copies of our work without our consent and making money off it are engaging in illegal activity. There is no argument here whatsoever. The real question is: what about people who have bought our work and want to share it with say, their mum, or the local network, or the world, or themselves(copying)? We cannot dictate what people do with their purchase.
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If that's correct, I wouldnt consider it much of a threat at all. It is scientifically correct for NIST to seek a hash that, in principle, is random enough to be brute-force-equal in terms of no. of attempts required, but practically it will make little difference.
There should be no password entry scheme in the world, in whatever application, that allows this number of attempts without delaying the attacker for years using various methods. But why did you say that
"find a collision to a known string" is different than the problem here? Aren't we talking about the input strings? If so, will it not take approx 2^63 attempts to find a string producing the same hash whatever the input?
"Parent is right - article is not particlely clear"
:)
Freud was apparently very right also
seems like there's no centrists any more. or maybe all the conservatives have moved on to other sites.
:)
Maybe. Or they simply may be lurking around, waiting for a discussion actually worth joining in. Besides, what other sites
Good point. The GP is using the word "they" in an attempt to group the enemies of the US in a manner compatible with the stereotype he is unreservedly convinced by. Bunching Arabs/Muslims together like that will not help understanding the current state of affairs nor how to get past this difficult time in history. In fact, it is this stereotyping that underlies much of the ignorance shown by our politicians, and those who adamantly support their policies.
Today we are hated primarily for our long-standing bias in the Palestine issue and, more acutely, the newsreel coming out of Iraq everyday. A period of five years that involve no war or hostile behaviour towards the mideast in general would do wonders for our image among the citizens there. Yes, there will always be extremists working against their own governments as well as ours, but the public sentiment that fuels such extremism will not exist.
As for the claim that neutral nations like France are still "hated", it is false. The quoted internal troubles are not the result of ideological extremism or religious intolerance. They are the product of injustice and racial issues between the police and the youth of France. GP sounds like a typical Muslim basher whose mentality revolves around us-and-them. This is why wars exist.
There is certainly nothing wrong with naked female breasts
Actually there is. Who decides what is wrong or right? You? Me? Almost every culture and religion in the world has moral reservations/ideals concerning sex, because it is a matter that involves human dignity, intimacy, and human control over animal instinct. You won't learn this from maths class, you learn this from being brought up with values and ideals instead of just desires.
You think topless is fine...why stop there? How do you draw your lines? Human morality has a lot more to it than the materialist (and frankly disgusting) pain-and-pleasure scale you seem to weigh everything with. From U.S to Egypt to Tokyo, people cover their private parts almost instinctively, and women are a little different from men(clothing wise) because breasts and chests are not quite the same in sexual terms.
Of course jail time for something like this is ridiculous, but people have a right to be upset about what their children are being exposed to. With time they will come into contact with the way society has developed, but that does not mean they have to become habituated to the lack of moral code involving sex OR violence.
From what I have seen, people in the middle east and north africa have had this for ages. And, on a related note: mobile service providers like Vodafone have nothing to do with the actual handsets people buy from various vendors. You simply insert standard SIM cards and can swap them between phones.
These people can never understand restrictions like the one that has just been removed, and for a good reason: they don't make sense. Is there some sort of survey of the countries that have a standard de-linking between service provision and hardware? It would be interesting to know.
And how do you know this?
A lot of people talk about the "black market" but very few have ever been involved. There is so much collaboration now between intelligence and ISPs that it is quite difficult to make big money without having your butt exposed. I personally have never tried, despite being very interested in this "field", but from what I hear much of the money comes from bots/adware as opposed to the hollywood-ish hack-a-bank for the mafia nonsense.
Perhaps some of the more involved Anonymous Cowards can tell us more about the [evil]market?
You left software to do what? Has anyone else here been a developer and moved on?
I ask because I plan to do this myself, but the prospects are daunting.
I didn't mean that at all. I was just referring to how anything even remotely associated with values(like the parent post) or religion is viewed with contempt by many here. I do think that alchohol is the cause of much evil, but unless you are required to abstain from it for religious reasons then I cannot hold you to blame for drinking moderately can I?
That wasn't funny! Well it was, but..my karma you insensitive clod!
I think that should be a modifier. -1, Dark Matter
Are you kidding? It's called Over-rated, and mysterious drunken moderators use it all the time.
Your argument is called Communism, unless you are talking about equal chances to obtain wealth rather than sharing the wealth itself equally regadless of inheritance.
Property is not an invention, it is ancient, common sense. You should not be forced to share what you obtain from your own efforts or your parents'. Trying to impose what you see as social justice is plain stupid. We are born equal in rights as human beings, not equal in assets or abilities.
As for the issue at hand, immigration needs to be controlled or the nation's infrasturcture will collapse. There are millions of people in the world who need help, and that is a moral responsibility, but immigration into a nation must be to the collective nation's benefit. You can't let people in arbitrarily without understanding where they plan to work..etc, and that is for their benefit as well as yours.
You are not alone. You'd be surprised how many people don't drink out of principle, or think the current culture of booze, sex, and general hedonism is acceptable as a way of life. But you are posting on slashdot, so beware of thoughtcrime. Any hint of abstinence/moral inclination/religious value will put you in this big bag marked IGNORANCE, which many here feel is naturally associated with these things.
And they have a point, given that the outspoken "conservatives" are usually idiots, and the real ones don't feel there's a point to be made by arguing anymore.
Cheers
One of our HR people just to prove a point attempted to look at my profile, and then sent me a friend request which I denied for that reason.
That's the funniest thing I read all week. What do you mean you denied him..your HR staff want to be your friend! Don't be such an ass. Besides, you don't want him to report to your boss saying that he sent you a friend request on Myspace and you declined. Oh wait, maybe you do.
A timing mistake in some piece of the shuttles navigation code by one cpu clockcount would put the shuttle 3 miles off course.
I hope they weren't using Java (see discussions further up on Rover software). Anything other than tight assembler programming for this kind of work would be funny. Also, I can't see how they can guarantee anything down to a single clock cycle, even with extremely hardware-specifc OS running the code. This is truly painful just to think about.
You mean, if treated, the women start looking like shit again?
You're not going to cure the apathy of us 18-25 year olds with fake pot. I'm telling you, we're better than that, we are the myspace generation!
Wait a minute..fake moondust will do just fine.
You're very right. I'm 23 and although most scientific endeavors interest me, the "space exploration" bit just doesnt involve enough "science" anymore. There is nothing new about the universe that is about to be discovered by sending people a little farther out in the solar system. It's just expensive and risks some very important lives, with no wild patriotism left to drive it.
But most people are still interested in putting up big telescopes..etc for science. Yes, some of us still want to understand the universe better, and our interest in this is not likely to change with the apathy of this generation or (worse?) the next.
That Q almost caused me to flunk my last semester in college, and I'm a high honors grad. It's the shock you get when you realize there isn't any meaning at all. Nothing you can do truly matters or has "purpose". I know you were kidding, but this is the most depressing, madness-instilling question anyone can think of. If you're a deep enough thinker you can end up with a life of crime, ditch your career to sing in bars..etc.
Life is "wholesome" with friends, family, God, and so on... yet it is purely accidental and therefore pointless. There are many ways to live it, but you'd best leave a noble passage so that when you finally exit, there are people who will come to your funeral the way they will go to Gerald Ford's. People who will lay flowers and say that you will be missed.
Happy Holidays.
You do realize they can send the laptop back to Microsoft when they're done reviewing Vista on it, right?
Come again?
If he turns out to be innocent, it will be just that much sadder -- he will have lost his wife and be ruined.
Read up on the case..he's not going to be sad for "losing" his wife. The bitch cheated on him, let another man screw her in HIS house (which she then tried to take away). It is no excuse for murder, but this case is as filthy as it gets.
If he is innocent, the justice system you talk about will probably work the way it should. He is a smart guy and won't go down easily, even without lawyers who know all the tricks. The state's prosecuters are no better than cheap defense lawyers.
You are over-simplifying things. The concept of "free will" or choice will always be important because there is a (legal) difference between those who are apparently making a choice and those who are acting without this awareness.
In all cases, advances in neurobiology will only come to prove the obvious: everything happens for a reason. If there is no God, then the "reasons" at any physical level will end up being the output of the physical state of the universe, and no more. All your instincts, your desires, your reasoning..your choices, are simply the product of electrical activity in your brain, which itself is a combination of current physical environment and triggered chemical secretions, which are governed by your DNA...etc.
You appear to "make a choice", but your choice is made for subconscious reasons outside your control. I agree with you here that this is uninteresting since my awareness of the choice is what I consider to be freedom of action, but it is nonetheless essential to understand that my "choice" is only an illusion. Yes, punishment and reward should exist, but only as a deterrent/motivation. Morality, like "choice", is an emotional illusion. We can choose to go with our instincts, but we must recognize them for what they are.
The Godless world is a very very grim place. You cannot escape these facts, and I say this as an athiest.
Not really. When you copy the mp3 off something that has already been purchased, none of the parties you mention are deprived of what you claim. There is a big difference between buying the music once and using it as you wish(including sharing), and taking it "from the shop" as you suggested.
I am also a musician and strongly disagree with your assumptions. Digital media is an entirely different world. As many have pointed out before, the electronic age has changed many concepts of privacy/ownership/property rights due to the fact that it is the initial effort behind the product, rather than the product itself, which is valuable. The CD is worthless. It is not a matter of data. It is a matter of permission to use the data, and that is where things get ugly.
I agree with you of course that people selling copies of our work without our consent and making money off it are engaging in illegal activity. There is no argument here whatsoever. The real question is: what about people who have bought our work and want to share it with say, their mum, or the local network, or the world, or themselves(copying)? We cannot dictate what people do with their purchase.
But if we asked that, they'd say we were new here..
Studies were published in the year 2000 [pnas.org]. Why is this now getting attention?
You must be new here.