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Hold on, rewind a minute. I was going to say "well if you're new to linux then Xandros is commerically supported so who needs the forums"...
But then I realised...WTF? I though the idea of using Linux on the eeepc was to reduce costs by using free (beer) software, but looking on the Xandros site, they usually charge $99/desktop license - not all that much of a saving from Windows XP. They must have slashed their licence costs on the Asus bulk deal, and if so I wonder what kind of profit margin they are making out of it, if any?
Most of them don't give a shit about integrity: they are, after all currently using Microsoft products. 99.999% of those that do can still spot the huge difference between the level of integrity offered by Linux vs the rest without needing to be obsessive.
Yeah but have you actually looked at the changelog for this? It seems like a bit of a waste of time, barely customised and really !news. Considering how late this is to the eee market, I clicked expecting a custom rolled kernel, etc but all they've done is install drivers and shrink the desktop. They haven't even reduced swappiness?!
This all kind of harks back to what Kjella said in a completely different context right at the top of this page:
"Linux got plenty developers but few marketers to compete with Microsoft, it's not so easy to convert one into the other." What everyone in this argument is doing is proving Kjella correct. A catchy name WILL help gain market penetration; 'Linux' is becoming a recognisable 'brand' and, while it's technically correct to call it GNU/Linux, it will help immensley if coders the world over ease up on this asbergers-like dependency on absolute correctness about this kind of detail.
The alternative is to peg it on "Ubuntu" as the marketable name... Would you rather intrigued kids were saying "I want to try Linux, I've heard a lot about it" or "I want to try Ubuntu, I've heard a lot about it". Which of these two scenarios is the more unjust? Obfuscating the 'Linux brand' with arguments about 'GNU/Linux' could quite easily lead down this road.
At the very least, training yourself to just think of it as 'Linux' will help your own sanity. If the market does swell like most of us want it to, imagine how much more of your time, energy and patience is going to be wasted having this argument monthly, then weekly, then daily with an exponentially increasing influx of n00bs?!
But, of course, at the end of the day, it's free software we're about , and that extends as far as being free to call it whatever you want:)
You'll scare her away! She's a carefully marketed pseudo-gothic airhead with a manager who's recently arranged a shill to post on Slashdot, trawling for the inevitable geek idolatry that will follow for what is, essentially, a middle of the road tart dressed in black. Most of us wouldn't care if she thought that rabbits flying out of her ass let her communicate with Zippy the Pinhead. Fixed.
Is HFCS the same as "Modified Corn Starch"? I think maybe in England we don't get so much HFCS because we don't tax cane sugar in the same way as the US, but a lot of products here list MCS as an ingredient.
I just want to second you on this, Pazy. Yes it was dark - and that was awesome. It's one of the few games where I genuinely felt scared and startled at times. Sure it became a bit predictable at times, but so are horror movies and people still love those.
Again, I don't think the game was perfect, but it was one of the better FPS productions I've seen I'd seen in awhile. Thirded. The dynamic lighting was used really well and anyone playing with duct tape mod or whatever completely missed the point and basically pissed all over a lot of careful level design. Only right towards the very end when the attack waves really cranked up the pace did it start to get noticeably repetitive and that kind of fits in with the zombie hoardes vibe. The closest to viable criticism I have heard was that it was too easy: Well there's the case for always playing games on the hardest difficulty level - you get the most play time out of them that way anyway. I played on max difficulty and it scared the crap out of me, creeping through the darkness waiting for the next closet to open.
Just because the game isn't in production any more doesn't mean that it never will be again. Look at the mobile phone gaming phenomenon: A huge amount of money has been made from republishing previously "abandoned" titles.
For the sake of all this, he could just plug his lappy into the tv and play flash based clones of said classix on the Internet and live completely guilt free.
Of course, I just play em emulated on my xbox like everyone else.
In that case it is using low graphics settings that no one would actually use. The first article you linked was using preset "medium" settings. The second test you posted actually backed up word for word my "anecdotal" claims of ~5 FPS on Bioshock for onboard vs dedicated hardware.
Do you really think it is worth paying $100 for that negligible increase in peformance. I never said I did (I clearly put myself in the musician camp), just that there were many people who did agree it was worth it. I know quite a few people that have spent £1500 ($3000) plus on a rig and to spend $100 to reclaim the extra 5FPS in this instance could conceivably be seen as worth the extra outlay. All power to them at the end of the day, each to their own. [/thread]
"Anecdotal evidence" is an oxymoron I think you're confusing this with "anecdotal proof".
Here is an example test with Graphics set real low to avoid being the bottleneck:
http://techreport.com/articles.x/12772/3 [techreport.com]
Note even here, CPU has small effect I'm a bit confused as to how you can say this since the test you refer to shows an average difference of 40fps between high and low end CPUs on Oblivion, and 20FPS on Rainbow 6, in both cases expressed as a fairly smooth curve across the range tested.
Also, processing necessary in gaming isn't restricted to encoding and decoding, there are hardware rendered effects (echoes, etc) that take power away from calculating in game physics, etc.
A quick google finds plenty of anecdotal evidence of ~ 5fps increase on games like Bioshock by just adding a soundcard, and some people claiming as many as 15fps (thoguh I agree that's doubtful).
The last time I checked with multi core, multi-GHz cpus, games were no longer CPU limited, they are video card limited, the overhead for some tiny additional audio processing is negligible. You make an incorrect assumption. If this were 100% true, there would not be a massive market for CPU overclocking features on gaming boards. I get a significant increase in framerate on modern games by overclocking my CPU, as do many others. Not forgetting of course that most game engines are still not optimised for multithreading.
The overhead may be marginal but there are plenty of obsessives out there to whom it is 'important'.
TFA says they will be releasing all films in both 2D as well as 3D formats, to allow people willing to pay "up to $3 more a ticket" the opportunity to enjoy a film in 3d. How is this "limiting" Pixar?
By moving sound processing to an external sound processor instead of using on board, you're taking load off the CPU and thus earning those critical extra FPS that many people seek in a gaming rig. Also, millions of bedroom music producers (like me) need low latency audio processing which again requires dedicated hardware to do properly. "Good" sound isn't necessarily enough for everybody.
I've just installed SquiggleSR and it looks ideal. I like the idea of fake random browsing on top of the fake searches because that simple change would hugely increase the scope of the privacy provided. The only people I can see that would be harmed by this are those who wish to exploit exactly this data - advertisers. And besides, as others have said: it really isn't your problem to worry about content providers arguing with their sponsors over views. Great work on the plugin, fella.
Firefox mobile? They must be really confident of having sorted out the memory usage to be trying to convince me its a good idea to run it on my Blackberry... Don't get me wrong, I'm usually the first to pipe up in defence of Firefox when people whine about memory issues, but that's talking about a few MiB out of a few Gigz. This is a whole different ballpark..
Maybe, but midi RINGTONES rule; it's just about the perfect way to capture an 8 or 16 bit console tune since most of them were made in midi or midi-like formats anyway. I call BS on this article because ever since handsets have been able to support polyphonic ringtones I've had all my as-obscure-as-you-like-8-bit-theme-tune-ring-tone needs more than met by The Video Game Music Archive. I've currently got the theme from Baloon Fight (NES) as my ring tone and a pre-match jingle from Mega Bomberman (Genesis) as my SMS, and they sound absolutely perfect. I've been through all sorts, mostly Gameboy stuff over the last 7 or 8 years and, while there's a small amount of chaff to sort (in terms of piss-poor renderings by dedicated but clueless game fans), when you get the right one it's SOOOO satifying. (Of course, YMMV depending on your phone's midi card!)
Considering IE7 is no a "critical" (i.e automatically accepted by default) Windows update, that means over 50% have specifically chosen not to download IE7 and stay with IE6.
Ouch.
true,but most of those other browsers have been working towards compliance for a looong time. This is the first time i've heard anything of the sort from IE. In fact, it sees a bit of a turnaround because when they were developing IE7, IIRC, they specifically stated that it was not on their agenda to meet standards, including acid2.
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Hold on, rewind a minute. I was going to say "well if you're new to linux then Xandros is commerically supported so who needs the forums"...
But then I realised...WTF? I though the idea of using Linux on the eeepc was to reduce costs by using free (beer) software, but looking on the Xandros site, they usually charge $99/desktop license - not all that much of a saving from Windows XP. They must have slashed their licence costs on the Asus bulk deal, and if so I wonder what kind of profit margin they are making out of it, if any?
> It's possible that users like integrity.
Most of them don't give a shit about integrity: they are, after all currently using Microsoft products. 99.999% of those that do can still spot the huge difference between the level of integrity offered by Linux vs the rest without needing to be obsessive.
Yeah but have you actually looked at the changelog for this? It seems like a bit of a waste of time, barely customised and really !news. Considering how late this is to the eee market, I clicked expecting a custom rolled kernel, etc but all they've done is install drivers and shrink the desktop. They haven't even reduced swappiness?!
"Linux got plenty developers but few marketers to compete with Microsoft, it's not so easy to convert one into the other." What everyone in this argument is doing is proving Kjella correct. A catchy name WILL help gain market penetration; 'Linux' is becoming a recognisable 'brand' and, while it's technically correct to call it GNU/Linux, it will help immensley if coders the world over ease up on this asbergers-like dependency on absolute correctness about this kind of detail.
The alternative is to peg it on "Ubuntu" as the marketable name... Would you rather intrigued kids were saying "I want to try Linux, I've heard a lot about it" or "I want to try Ubuntu, I've heard a lot about it". Which of these two scenarios is the more unjust? Obfuscating the 'Linux brand' with arguments about 'GNU/Linux' could quite easily lead down this road.
At the very least, training yourself to just think of it as 'Linux' will help your own sanity. If the market does swell like most of us want it to, imagine how much more of your time, energy and patience is going to be wasted having this argument monthly, then weekly, then daily with an exponentially increasing influx of n00bs?! But, of course, at the end of the day, it's free software we're about , and that extends as far as being free to call it whatever you want
Is HFCS the same as "Modified Corn Starch"? I think maybe in England we don't get so much HFCS because we don't tax cane sugar in the same way as the US, but a lot of products here list MCS as an ingredient.
Just because the game isn't in production any more doesn't mean that it never will be again. Look at the mobile phone gaming phenomenon: A huge amount of money has been made from republishing previously "abandoned" titles.
For the sake of all this, he could just plug his lappy into the tv and play flash based clones of said classix on the Internet and live completely guilt free.
Of course, I just play em emulated on my xbox like everyone else.
Also, processing necessary in gaming isn't restricted to encoding and decoding, there are hardware rendered effects (echoes, etc) that take power away from calculating in game physics, etc.
A quick google finds plenty of anecdotal evidence of ~ 5fps increase on games like Bioshock by just adding a soundcard, and some people claiming as many as 15fps (thoguh I agree that's doubtful).
The overhead may be marginal but there are plenty of obsessives out there to whom it is 'important'.
TFA says they will be releasing all films in both 2D as well as 3D formats, to allow people willing to pay "up to $3 more a ticket" the opportunity to enjoy a film in 3d. How is this "limiting" Pixar?
By moving sound processing to an external sound processor instead of using on board, you're taking load off the CPU and thus earning those critical extra FPS that many people seek in a gaming rig. Also, millions of bedroom music producers (like me) need low latency audio processing which again requires dedicated hardware to do properly. "Good" sound isn't necessarily enough for everybody.
I've just installed SquiggleSR and it looks ideal. I like the idea of fake random browsing on top of the fake searches because that simple change would hugely increase the scope of the privacy provided. The only people I can see that would be harmed by this are those who wish to exploit exactly this data - advertisers. And besides, as others have said: it really isn't your problem to worry about content providers arguing with their sponsors over views. Great work on the plugin, fella.
Firefox mobile? They must be really confident of having sorted out the memory usage to be trying to convince me its a good idea to run it on my Blackberry... Don't get me wrong, I'm usually the first to pipe up in defence of Firefox when people whine about memory issues, but that's talking about a few MiB out of a few Gigz. This is a whole different ballpark..
Well I for one seriously DON'T welcome them...
That was my first thought. Then my second thought was having to go through the "Intel Genuine Advantage" activation process every 45 minutes.
Maybe, but midi RINGTONES rule; it's just about the perfect way to capture an 8 or 16 bit console tune since most of them were made in midi or midi-like formats anyway. I call BS on this article because ever since handsets have been able to support polyphonic ringtones I've had all my as-obscure-as-you-like-8-bit-theme-tune-ring-tone needs more than met by The Video Game Music Archive. I've currently got the theme from Baloon Fight (NES) as my ring tone and a pre-match jingle from Mega Bomberman (Genesis) as my SMS, and they sound absolutely perfect. I've been through all sorts, mostly Gameboy stuff over the last 7 or 8 years and, while there's a small amount of chaff to sort (in terms of piss-poor renderings by dedicated but clueless game fans), when you get the right one it's SOOOO satifying. (Of course, YMMV depending on your phone's midi card!)
Yikes! Touche ;)
Apologies.
It was 3:02 am local time.
I should have said "IIRC, they specifically stated that it was not on their agenda to meet standards, including passing acid2."
A THOUSAND pardons.
Don't look at me, I voted for Kodos.
Considering IE7 is no a "critical" (i.e automatically accepted by default) Windows update, that means over 50% have specifically chosen not to download IE7 and stay with IE6. Ouch.
true,but most of those other browsers have been working towards compliance for a looong time. This is the first time i've heard anything of the sort from IE. In fact, it sees a bit of a turnaround because when they were developing IE7, IIRC, they specifically stated that it was not on their agenda to meet standards, including acid2.