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Mac or Windows.
http://helpx.adobe.com/flash/s....
Somebody who has actually used it could probably tell if it will run under wine

This isn't actually true. Technically, you still need to own a copy of CS2 to legally use the software:

http://blogs.adobe.com/convers...

Will it work? Yes.

Are you supposed to do this if you don't own CS2? No.

It is ethical? That's for you to decide.

the "cloud" version of Photoshop is out of the question, because I sometimes work in the field where there is no internet.

"Cloud" is just a marketing term that can mean a wide variety of things. In the case of Adobe Creative Cloud, it means you're licensed on a subscription basis, and need to connect to Adobe's servers periodically to verify that your subscription is still active. It doesn't mean you run Photoshop in a web browser--it's still installed on your hard drive like traditional programs. As the FAQ says, "No, the desktop applications in Creative Cloud, such as Photoshop and Illustrator, are installed directly on your computer, so you donâ(TM)t need an ongoing Internet connection to use them."

The point was that Adobe has no plans currently to change because of Aperture's availability as a competitor.

According to this, Adobe is "doubling down" on LR in response to Apple's decision.

Of course, their VP of Products/Digital Imaging could be lying...but then his post on the Photoshop Blog would be pretty foolish, wouldn't it?

That's an interesting read - thanks for the link. The author makes some compelling arguments, but there's little in the way of hard facts in that article.

I'd also note that the author seems to have a bias against Adobe, as evidenced by his dismissive comments regarding Adobe's response to the Aperture news.

This is why I won't be switching to Lightroom, there is no way I am going to rent software from Adobe.

Lightroom can be purchased as a stand-alone product, and Adobe currently has no plans to move LR to CC.

I decided to look into it a little bit more.
https://forums.adobe.com/messa...
Apparently the creative cloud is offline applications that while they use online functions they do work offline for 30 days of non conductivity.

Still stupid.

Here is a serious answer -> All iPads, iPhones and newer Macs don’t use Flash. You don’t even need a browser, but can download hundreds of games, many of them for free. Most of those free ones are far better than anything using Flash. Many of those games even work without an Internet connection, which none of the Flash-based games do.

Adobe quite writing Flash for android a few years ago, youtube works just fine, it breaks some sites but in the long run better for it.

February 23, 2012
"Adobe has published roadmap for its Flash Player and its desktop counterpart, Adobe AIR. Overall the company expects Flash to cater predominantly to gaming and premium video markets. And as stated before, mobile version will no longer be developed."

Some replied to me about not being on a Win8 system as it was different somehow, the above was posted before Metro: "Less clear is the path got Windows 8, as to if and how Adobe will be integrated with the Metro interface. "

"Mobile Support
Adobe will discontinue support for mobile devices and 11.1 will be the last version, though bug fixes could be released."... "This means that Flash will not have any presence in the fastest growing computing segment. "

All quotes from http://mobiletechpundit.blogsp... as posted nothing changed, I don't care for spelling lessons, but it's just badly written.

Adobe lays out the future for Flash: a platform for the next 5-10 years - as an Adobe PDF natch
http://wwwimages.adobe.com/www...

Perhaps you're using the Socratic method here

Nailed it. Thank you for having patience with me. A lot of other Slashdot users appear not to have patience for my methods. They tell me to just Google it without helping me through the thought process of coming up with keywords that produce relevant results, and Google isn't especially good at determining the reliability or obsoleteness of a source anyway.

Or just suck it up and work for somebody else for a while.

I'm doing that, but "somebody else" in my city happens not to be in the video game industry. I'd first have to fund a relocation to Austin, Texas, or another city with a video game industry, and that's the point where other Slashdot users usually stop being willing to help me.

Mods

After MDY v. Blizzard?

flash games

I assume I'd get around the $239.88 per year Adobe tax with FlashDevelop and the Flex SDK. (Source: Google flash games without flash)

smaller mobile apps.

A problem with mobile games is that iOS and Android devices don't ship with a directional control. Sure, I can tap the lower right corner of the screen to jump, but when I tried a game with an on-screen gamepad (the Pixeline and the Jungle Treasure demo) on my first-generation Nexus 7 tablet, I couldn't get a hang of the controls because I couldn't feel where my left thumb was relative to the on-screen controls.

Some folks are more particular about fonts than others, but I really like Adobe's (free/libre) Source fonts:

Proportional Sans: Source Sans Pro

Monospace: Source Code Pro

I've been using those as my system default sans and mono fonts for a few years now.

Some folks are more particular about fonts than others, but I really like Adobe's (free/libre) Source fonts:

Proportional Sans: Source Sans Pro

Monospace: Source Code Pro

I've been using those as my system default sans and mono fonts for a few years now.

You could try overriding those update settings. It means you're no longer on the bleeding edge of the Flash updates but it makes your life significantly less irritating. http://helpx.adobe.com/flash-p... I 100% agree that Flash is a pain no matter what you do to customize it and think it should be roasted over the burning hulk that used to be known as Beta.

If you're on Windows, there's a service which can be set to auto-update flash. Flash's behaviour is to turn this on by default. Check services.msc, I think it's called AdobeAutoUploader or something similar.

On the one machine I have with Flash enabled, I prefer to have Flash set to notify me of updates - I'd rather make an informed decision about whether to update than have it made for me. Plus I like to run as few additional services as possible.

http://www.adobe.com/software/...

Quote from that page (before it loads an ad):

Adobe Flash Player - A lightweight, robust runtime environment for rich media and rich Internet applications

I wouldn't trust that site too much...

They even updated the explicitly unsupported NPAPI GNU/Linux version.

From Adobe's blog:

For Flash Player releases after 11.2, the Flash Player browser plugin for Linux will only be available via the “Pepper” API as part of the Google Chrome browser distribution and will no longer be available as a direct download from Adobe. Adobe will continue to provide security updates to non-Pepper distributions of Flash Player 11.2 on Linux for five years from its release.

Looks like it's already out for Ubuntu

to check and see your version:

http://www.adobe.com/software/...

This is another indication of how eager the tech industry is to get in on the same monetization model that Rovio was just implicated in with the Snowden documents--data for dollars.

Rovio was just the tip of the iceberg. Everyone is trying to get involved in a "goldrush" of funds that have infused the industry with a serious lack of morality.

As I pointed out in a couple of posts recently ( http://yro.slashdot.org/commen... ), it is the mobile analytics market that the NSA is targeting for their data on as many people as possible. Those analytics providers are doing what the NSA cannot do themselves legally--gather data. Analytics providers do the gathering, and the NSA either steals or buys the data. It's as simple as that folks.

The really dirty secret is that pretty much every company out there with an internet presence and a mobile presence (an app) is complicit in this gathering of data, and they all know it. Both The New York Times and The Guardian use the exact same analytics firm that Rovio uses in their mobile game "Angry Birds", yet they are the ones that published articles based on Edward Snowden documents outlining NSA activity that targeted mobile analytics. Hypocrites.

Just to give you an idea of just how big this iceberg is, dig deep in the following webpages--they outline, by connections, a web of investors and customers that are perpetrating a global auction of our privacy.

Amazon -- Seattle, Wa.
https://developer.amazon.com/s...

Jaspersoft -- San Francisco, CA.
https://www.jaspersoft.com/mob...

Google -- San Francisco, CA.
http://www.google.com/analytic...

Flurry -- San Francisco, CA.
http://www.flurry.com/flurry-a...

Localytics -- Boston, MA.
http://www.localytics.com/

Countly -- LIBYA!!....serious wtf here. All contact info is for Libyan addresses.
https://count.ly/products/feat...

Konitgent -- San Francisco, CA.
http://www.kontagent.com/compa...

Webtrends -- Portland, OR.
http://webtrends.com/solutions...

Bango -- London, UK
http://bango.com/corporate/

Apsalar -- San Francisco, CA.
https://apsalar.com/

Piwik -- London, UK
http://piwik.org/what-is-piwik...

Mobilytics (Mobivity) -- Chandler, AZ.
http://www.mobilytics.net/

Adobe -- San Jose, CA.
http://www.adobe.com/solutions...

Openwave Mobility -- Redwood City, CA.
http://owmobility.com/about-us

Mixpanel -- San Francisco, CA.
https://mixpanel.com/

Urban Airship -- San Francisco/London
http://urbanairship.com/produc...

Cognizant -- Teaneck, NJ.
http://www.cognizant.com/enter...

Amethon -- Sydney, AU
http://www.amethon.com/

The ring to rule them all, if you believe the developers..
Segment.io -- San Francisco, CA.
https://segment.io/mobile

For the inner workings, see linked Whitepaper. A good list of other miscreants is included on that

Download Java from here instead:

http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/index.html

No Ask.com toolbar, the option for online or offline installers as well a multitude of different platforms. I've NEVER, EVER downloaded Java anywhere else because of my habit of going to this site first (it's where you get the JDK after all).

I really wish more people knew about this. Seems like everyone prefers to whine rather than find a solution.

Also FWIW, if you pine for the days of offline installers for Adobe Flash (since they got rid of the offline installers from the main Flash page), go here:

http://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer/distribution3.html

You can build apps with Flash that get CONVERTED to apps that will run on various platforms, but Adobe KILLED Flash Player for ALL mobile platforms two years ago, didn't you hear?

"Our future work with Flash on mobile devices will be focused on enabling Flash developers to package native apps with Adobe AIR for all the major app stores. We will no longer continue to develop Flash Player in the browser to work with new mobile device configurations (chipset, browser, OS version, etc.) following the upcoming release of Flash Player 11.1 for Android and BlackBerry PlayBook."

November 9, 2011 - http://blogs.adobe.com/conversations/2011/11/flash-focus.html

"Apple just doesn't like multiplatformed competition."

Apple had very good technical reasons not to want Flash on iDevices. They told Adobe for YEARS, "give us a good version of Flash for mobile" and Adobe couldn't deliver. Every review of Flash on an Android device talked about how crappy it was. Adobe eventually gave up. No matter how you want to read bullshit like "Over the past two years, weâ(TM)ve delivered Flash Player for mobile browsers and brought the full expressiveness of the web to many mobile devices" the fact is they killed it, and people rarely say "this product was too successful and beloved so we stopped making it."

XP certainly has no ASLR or sandboxing. Look it up?

While I never claimed XP had sandboxing, I was sort of mistaken about ASLR. Apparently MS never added ASLR to Windows XP, but Wehntrust implements it Also, technically there's sandboxie and other similar programs, but of course there's some question about how just good they are--not that MS's own sandboxing technology exactly has a stellar record.

DEP only a few services use it on XP and the browser is not one of them.

Um, by default yes. But you can enable DEP system wide (although IIRC there's a hardcoded exception for ATI/AMD drivers).

EVen Firefox and Chrome are not sandboxed due to the lack of kernel support on that ancient OS.

*cough*Sandboxie*cough* Seriously, though, the sandbox is meant to be the last line of defense. And too often it's been shown to be no defense.

Dude arguing that XP is not broken is like arguing IE 6 is not broken because it runs your corporate websites fine.

No, IE 6 is broken. Period. This new XP Zero-Day shows XP is broken. Then again, IE11 on Windows 8.1 was very recently broken too.

It most certainly is and there are tons of hacks in that html code to make it even display right that the user does not see. XP has +800 workarounds for tens of thousands of virii each time code executes which is why a 128 meg Pentium III that ran XP fast in 2001 can't run XP SP 3 at all today. You do not see them but they are there and is obvious in performance degradation.

Which aren't in Windows 8.x? Because last I checked, the whole problem with Windows Vista/7/8 incompatibilities with older Windows software (and presumably some virii) had to do with presumptions about Administrator/Power User Access, not the layers of workarounds which are still in Windows--ie, if you use Windows XP as a normal user, you're just as safe from a lot of attacks (and before you say it can't be done, it can be--it's just more annoying than Vista's UAC). But, yea, your argument is precisely why Windows 8.x is even slower because it has even more libraries and hence even more workarounds.

Windows Transfer wizard takes care of moving files over.

"Alas, the one thing that Windows Easy Transfer can't do is reinstall programs for you. Insgtead, it displays this complete list of every program that was installed on your old PC." -- Inside the Windows 7 Easy Transfer Utility. Still, I'd admit that it looks like it takes away some of the pain. But, then I think about reinstalling several games and..bleh. Could be worse, though.

If XP was fine then why have this article? That exploit doesn't hit Windows 7 and later now does it?

Nor users of the latest version of Adobe Reader, so there is that too. Further, it's not really stated why exactly the exploit works in Windows XP and not Windows 7/8, as APSB13-15 Security Bulletin seems to cover most versions of Adobe Reader and the NDProxy.sys bug would presumably be in/patched in all Windows versions? My only wild guess is that it relates to a similar Microsoft Windows Kernel NDProxy Local Privilege Escalation Vulnerability from a few years ago and that both may be prevented from being exploited by either further Windows kernel protection or a shatter attack protection.

So, you do have a point to the extent that some more of those software firewalls seem to be working. But, just being up to d

You'd be wrong.
http://www.adobe.com/support/security/#coldfusion

http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop/buying-guide.html

you will pay a thousand bucks in 4 years... if you're lucky and you don't pay the spending limit of your credit card ;))DDDD

From: email@mail.adobesystems.com
Date: 23/10/2013 4:58 AM

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As we announced on October 3, 2013, we recently discovered that an attacker illegally entered our network and may have obtained access to your Adobe ID and encrypted password. We currently have no indication that there has been unauthorized activity on your account.

To prevent unauthorized access to your account, we have reset your password. Please visit www.adobe.com/go/passwordreset to create a new password. We recommend that you also change your password on any website where you use the same user ID or password. In addition, please be on the lookout for suspicious email or phone scams seeking your personal information.

We deeply regret any inconvenience this may cause you. We value the trust of our customers and are working aggressively to prevent these types of events from occurring in the future. If you have questions, you can learn more by visiting our Customer Alert page, which you will find here.

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Note that that say encrypted password... dumbasses!

From: email@mail.adobesystems.com
Date: 23/10/2013 4:58 AM

Important Password Reset Information

To view this message in a language other than English, please click here.

As we announced on October 3, 2013, we recently discovered that an attacker illegally entered our network and may have obtained access to your Adobe ID and encrypted password. We currently have no indication that there has been unauthorized activity on your account.

To prevent unauthorized access to your account, we have reset your password. Please visit www.adobe.com/go/passwordreset to create a new password. We recommend that you also change your password on any website where you use the same user ID or password. In addition, please be on the lookout for suspicious email or phone scams seeking your personal information.

We deeply regret any inconvenience this may cause you. We value the trust of our customers and are working aggressively to prevent these types of events from occurring in the future. If you have questions, you can learn more by visiting our Customer Alert page, which you will find here.

Adobe Customer Care

Note that that say encrypted password... dumbasses!

Any decent output device will have to mean an EFI or APPE device, because pretty much everything else is balls at converting, including the bulk of rips which are old JAWS Short of it is if you don't have a $3000+ RIP upgrade you are going to get garbage if you don't normalize first.

Do you expect to be able to use a 32-bit Flash Player inside a 64-bit browser?

There is a 64 bit version of Flash:

http://helpx.adobe.com/flash-player/kb/flash-player-64-bit-operating.html

Re: applications loading fonts from a folder

Adobe InDesign has had support for document ``Fonts'' folders since CS5:

http://help.adobe.com/en_US/indesign/cs/using/WSa285fff53dea4f8617383751001ea8cb3f-6e29a.html#WS328f5ee33f08f77d1e63e3d123e8d1b40b-8000

I posted more details up above, but if you get the Adobe Enterprise Toolkit (free), you can rebuild a custom MSI installer that you deploy through Group Policy. It defines both installer options, and default user preferences.

You can specify a file share on your LAN for it to check for updates, so it will only have updates available once you rebuild the new version installer and vet for everything working.

There are also group policy admin templates you can use to lock user preferences, and you can have reader check an internal file share for updates instead of from Adobe.

Oh, and you can turn off the Ask toolbar crap too.

Toolkit docs:
http://www.adobe.com/devnet-docs/acrobatetk/index.html

Adobe Reader "offline" installer (The toolkit won't work with the "online" installer)
ftp://ftp.adobe.com/pub/adobe/reader/win/11.x/11.0.03/en_US/

Then go up to the 11.0.0 dir to get the group policy templates.

I posted more details up above, but if you get the Adobe Enterprise Toolkit (free), you can rebuild a custom MSI installer that you deploy through Group Policy. It defines both installer options, and default user preferences.

You can specify a file share on your LAN for it to check for updates, so it will only have updates available once you rebuild the new version installer and vet for everything working.

There are also group policy admin templates you can use to lock user preferences, and you can have reader check an internal file share for updates instead of from Adobe.

Oh, and you can turn off the Ask toolbar crap too.

Toolkit docs:
http://www.adobe.com/devnet-docs/acrobatetk/index.html

Adobe Reader "offline" installer (The toolkit won't work with the "online" installer)
ftp://ftp.adobe.com/pub/adobe/reader/win/11.x/11.0.03/en_US/

Then go up to the 11.0.0 dir to get the group policy templates.

If you can't avoid the Adobe reader, the best advice is to Google "Adobe Reader Enterprise Toolkit"

It's a GUI you run, point at an offline installer exe, pre-configure both the installer settings and the default user settings, and it spits out an MSI.
There are also Group Policy admin templates you can use to lock down user preferences.

The toolkit program claims to be able to customize most all Adobe product installers, but I've never used it beyond Reader.

With this you can set up the exact policy you need, including either disabling javascript, or pre-load your domain certificates and set it to only run javascript from documents created in-house.

You can also turn off the Ask toolbar crap, and set it to check your own file share for updates instead of having all your workstations do the downloads.

Note this will NOT work with the "online" installer, which at least for me is the only download link I can seem to find on their website. You'll need the "offline" installer from their FTP.

- Enterprise toolkit docs
http://www.adobe.com/devnet-docs/acrobatetk/index.html

- Enterprise toolkit download, plus group policy admin templates
Toolkit direct download for v11: ftp://ftp.adobe.com/pub/adobe/acrobat/win/11.x/11.0.00/misc/

- Adobe reader offline installer
Go to ftp link above, and up two dir levels into 11.x
Find the latest folder, and under a 'misc' dir will be the full installer.

If you can't avoid the Adobe reader, the best advice is to Google "Adobe Reader Enterprise Toolkit"

It's a GUI you run, point at an offline installer exe, pre-configure both the installer settings and the default user settings, and it spits out an MSI.
There are also Group Policy admin templates you can use to lock down user preferences.

The toolkit program claims to be able to customize most all Adobe product installers, but I've never used it beyond Reader.

With this you can set up the exact policy you need, including either disabling javascript, or pre-load your domain certificates and set it to only run javascript from documents created in-house.

You can also turn off the Ask toolbar crap, and set it to check your own file share for updates instead of having all your workstations do the downloads.

Note this will NOT work with the "online" installer, which at least for me is the only download link I can seem to find on their website. You'll need the "offline" installer from their FTP.

- Enterprise toolkit docs
http://www.adobe.com/devnet-docs/acrobatetk/index.html

- Enterprise toolkit download, plus group policy admin templates
Toolkit direct download for v11: ftp://ftp.adobe.com/pub/adobe/acrobat/win/11.x/11.0.00/misc/

- Adobe reader offline installer
Go to ftp link above, and up two dir levels into 11.x
Find the latest folder, and under a 'misc' dir will be the full installer.

If you want to go through a PDF a scrub out such things as JavaScript, actions, annotations, etc. I would implement either Enfocus' PitStop Server or Callas' pdfToolBox Server. They pay tools are not some sort of conspiracy. They have been tested in a large number of production environments with a zillion PDFs produced by various tools and systems. The vendors (Adobe included) have libraries (10's of thousands) of malformed PDFs that they use to regression test their products.

Do not refry (PDF--> PS --> PDF) the PDF unless you know what you are doing. It's not the PS --> PDF using Ghostscript that's the problem (ver 9 of GS actually produces a pretty decent PDF). It's the creation of the PS from the PDF feedstock. It is not as easy as you may think. Did you sit down with a loupe to see if you have the resulting PDF look EXACTLY as the input? Didn't think so. You can run into all sort of weird issues with fonts, color spaces, transparency, alternate content layers etc. by doing a blind refry. There are a lot of ways to create a PDF. There are relatively few ways to do it correctly. There are very few (read: only ONE!) PDF Reader that actually does a good job on the not so well-formed PDFs. That being Adobe Reader.

Tools that decompose the PDF and recompose it will be hit or miss.

With regards to installation of Reader in a corporate environment:
1) Use the latest/current version. Starting with Reader X (ten) Adobe launches PDFs in a sandboxed mode (until disabled by the user), negating much of the JS and other exploits that have been rampant previously. Starting with Acrobat XI (Spinal-Tap version - it goes to Eleven!), even Acrobat is launched in a sandboxed mode, again until disabled by the user.
2) Use the enterprise deployment tools that Adobe provides http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/it-resources.html to make sure that a) Reader is locked down b) stays locked down according to your corporate needs. The tools provided can allow you to harden Reader quite a bit and keep the users from making changes.
3) If you are truly of the paranoid type - and there are some business areas that have a legitimate need to be hyper paranoid about this stuff - only allow the PDFs to be opened inside of a hardened virtual machine that you remote into. Sort of a glove box approach to the PDF. Others have mentioned various methods to do this which are perfectly acceptable.

Now, a larger number of slashdotter's are not going to like this - but much (most?) of the FOSS PDF software, tools, and libraries, produce less than optimal PDFs. The primary problem stems from 1) good page layout design is not the same as good web design. 2) Good PDF is built by using the most expedient and direct method possible. Not by using the most obscure methods you can find (such as how Apache FOP loves to f-around with the CTM rather than just performing a simple moveto). This is not RISC vs. CISC. Yes, f-ing around with the CTM allows you to slice, dice, Julian, fry, as well as being both a dessert topping and a floor polish. However, it is almost impossible to debug. You would have been better off just coding moveto, rmoveto, translate, scale, rotate, etc. as individual function calls (note, I am using the PostScript equivalents to the internal PDF commands). Your code is easier to parse, understand, debug, and, most importantly, follows generally industry concepts. 3) Use the minimal work to get the job done, not the most maximal. Don't screw around with kerning, leading, etc. unless you really need to. Place stings of characters as stings, not individual glyphs. 4) Learn the industry you are developing in and not gripe that the industry has no clue as to what they are doing. The typographic/layout industry has 10x the longevity as the web industry (500+ years vs. ~50). Most of the mistakes noobs were learnt years ago. Learn from their mistakes first. Yes, there are some things that are holdovers from tim

Learn the file format and write a program to strip out any executable script elements.

http://www.adobe.com/devnet/pdf/pdf_reference.html.

actually..it is.. sadly enough.

http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion-family.html

tries to tell people like me that GIMP is just as good as PhotoShop, LibreOffice is just as good as MS Office

Sorry sweetness not sure of relevance Gimp is better than Photoshop http://www.adobe.com/products/catalog/software._sl_id-contentfilter_sl_catalog_sl_software_sl_photoshopcc.html which now costs $20 a month for its creative cloud version, Gimp is free...for me Gimp is a no brainer. I began using it as a consultant because I could install it on companies Desktop machines without License issues 15 years ago. I now run it from a pen drive.

LibreOffice is better than Office because the version I think I want is http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/business/office-365-small-business-premium-office-online-FX103037625.aspx which costs me $12.50 a month Its a little cheaper if I didn't need access.

What is frightening is both these companies(Adobe and Microsoft) are pushing me towards cloud(sic) versions of their products. Personally I these have no advantages but have a $32.50 Disadvantage...and have to use a always on-online DRM version.(ironically both should work on android in future or be avoided if they don't). think I'm the only one...Office launched on ios with a $100 a year fee for crippled version...nobody cared. its like its not happened.

This argument is nothing to do with Metro...which is shift in the Desktop interface to tablet one by Microsoft, in an poor attempt to convert its Desktop Monopoly into a Mobile one (say it with me ecosystem..cringe), and its a massive failure...they are installing it alongside Android now see what the article is about. This is nothing to do with comparing open source programs with Adobe and Microsoft equivalent those who have learnt to use them experience massive cost savings and smugness, although thanks for the Nostalgia.

http://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer/distribution3.html

Thank me later.

Tell that to Adobe when your application resides in their cloud and you only have credentials to log into it, nothing to download, and its tied to your IP address. Try selling that.

Ummm, you still download and install the application locally, it just needs to phone home once a month or every 99 days for users to stay active. Don't know where the digital download resale laws stand. Me thinks you are still screwed in that respect as you can only subscribe for up to a year at a time of use billed monthly. Trust me, I work in education and we're very informed on this new change and don't like it one bit! Costs our students $360 a year instead of that for a perpetual license to the entire suite. Oh, and they upgrade about every two years, sometimes sooner if you're lucky. Certainly not often enough to justify the additional cost.

really?

Photoshop is much more powerful in the hands of someone who can automate it.

ROFL. I like your first question.
If they have used whips to punish the slaves, wouldn't it be better if they would use a standard whip instead of their custom made whip?

For your second question: No.

Adobe goal was to dominate the web with their Flash technology. After years and years of waiting Adope finally released a Linux version of Flash, only to be horrible broken (see for example [1], HAL is deprecated for years). Then Microsoft starts a direct competitor to Flash: Silverlight. You would think because Adobe and Microsoft goals are to have a well established technology in the Web that they would offer best support. But besides Windows and MacOS there is no such best support.

So I ask, if two giants in the technology sector are not bothering to making a true system independent DRM implementation, why would anybody offer EME style DRM modules for Windows, MacOS and Linux? The EME will not change anything. All it will do is to introduce DRM to the open Web and took open and free system at a disadvantage.

[1] http://helpx.adobe.com/x-productkb/multi/flash-player-11-problems-playing.html

For folks that want to let Adobe know about their displeasure regarding the new licensing model, make a Feature Request here: http://www.adobe.com/go/wish

The more, the merrier.

jas

Adobe Photoshop CS6 retails for $599 all by itself.

Creative Cloud @ $50/mo includes:

What's included in your
Creative Cloud membership?

                Photoshop® CS6 Extended

                Photoshop Lightroom® 4

                Illustrator® CS6

                InDesign® CS6

                Adobe Muse

                Acrobat® XI Pro

                Flash® Professional CS6

                Flash Builder® 4.6 Premium Edition

                Dreamweaver® CS6

                Edge Tools & Services

                Fireworks® CS6

                Adobe Premiere® Pro CS6

                After Effects® CS6

                Adobe Audition® CS6

                SpeedGrade CS6

                Prelude CS6

                Encore® CS6

                Bridge CS6

                Story CS6

                Media Encoder CS6

                Business Catalyst

                Typekit

                Device and PC sync

                Cloud storage

I begin to suspect that Nerval's Lobster and the slashdot editor Soulskill lack appropriate knowledge to be commenting on this subject.

According to this:

http://www.adobe.com/products/creativecloud/buying-guide.html

If you have CS3 or later (which I have) I get a creative cloud subscription for $29.99, which apparently includes most if not all the junk you listed. If I upgrade my CS5.5 boxed PS version to CS6 I have to shell out around GBP 300 (USD 464.49). That's the equivalent of about 15 months of the package you listed above at USD 29.99 per month. At $50 per month it's about 9 months worth of subscribing. If the Singe app subscription costs $19.99 it works out to 23 months. All of this assumes that Adobe won't be charging overseas customers significantly more than US customers as they normally do, or that customers in certain regions are just shit out of luck because Adobe rejects any credit cards issued by banks outside of Adobe's "approved market regions" as they have done for years in their web store. You are right in that there is a lot of value in the subscription pack but here comes the rub: I only need Photoshop, I don't need the rest of that junk anymore than I was willing to subscribe to a package of 25 TV channels just so I could watch Game of Thrones on the single one of those channels that had the exclusive broadcasting rights in my country.

No, actually, Adobe (and everyone else) will be competing with CS2, the 2005 era program that is still quite functional. It's currently 'free' (for valid purchasers or anyone who can copy the activation codes on the page.

No idea how long Adobe will let this slide, but at least on the Photoshop side, it has all the core functionality (except Adobe Camera Raw which can be finessed in several other ways).

This only works on PowerPC Macs or on Snow Leopard (10.6) or earlier versions of OS X. Its not a viable option for many people unless they switch to Windows.

No, actually, Adobe (and everyone else) will be competing with CS2, the 2005 era program that is still quite functional. It's currently 'free' (for valid purchasers or anyone who can copy the activation codes on the page.

No idea how long Adobe will let this slide, but at least on the Photoshop side, it has all the core functionality (except Adobe Camera Raw which can be finessed in several other ways).

CS6 MSC upgrade is $375. So, even ignoring the storage, Creative Cloud is a fucking ripoff.

It's $529 if you own CS5.5. $1049 if you own CS5. Not sure where you are pulling that number from. So it comes out to about $500 a year if you want to stay up to date, even if you only upgrade every other version.
http://store1.adobe.com/cfusion/store/html/index.cfm?event=displayProduct&categoryOID=7240484&store=OLS-US

And that doesn't even begin to start with people who are buying licenses from scratch. You've got to pay the $2000 to get in the door at some point, and Adobe has discounted CC licenses if you already own Creative Suite.

Most people believe there is a market for another Photoshop clone to exist outside the Adobe fence, but nobody has managed to come up with it yet.

Hasn't stopped people from trying. I'm assuming that this Photoshop discussion is focused on raster editors (think blobs of paint and spray cans) and not vector editors (endlessly chaining together little lines.)

Before it went dead, Pixel was available on Linux and a wide variety of platforms.

Like the PHP application Drupal, it had a killer feature the GIMP never will: plugins. Pixel supported the huge environment of Photoshop plugins. Any other language's CMS has to compete with the world that works around Drupal. Any raster art tool has to compete with the world that works around Photoshop.

Yes, the GIMP has some cute little scripts buried in a few menus. However, the entirety of the GIMP's environment is about the size of some of the major pulg-in packs for Photoshop. The Computer Art industry has a de-facto standard and it is not free. Or Open.

There won't be a $499 student version.

Student and Teacher Edition Annual plan for US $19.99 per month.
http://www.adobe.com/products/creativecloud.edu.html

So that works out to about $480 for 2 years.

Of course, you wouldn't download it unless you had a valid serial number.

Now would you?

It's only $10 a month if you owned CS3 or better previously. If you didn't it's $20 a month.

It seems that's true - TFA was misleading here. Adobe's site makes the discounted single app pricing clear. In addition, it seems pretty clear that the discount pricing applies for only one year of the subscription, and then you pay the same as everyone else.

It's a shame, really. $10/mo is tempting for me, but for $20/mo I'll stick with the tools I have (e.g. Inkscape).

You'll be happy to see that they've taken your past issue into account, then:

Do I need ongoing Internet access to use my Creative Cloud desktop applications?

No. Your Creative Cloud desktop applications (such as Photoshop and Illustrator) are installed directly on your computer, so you won't need an ongoing Internet connection to use them on a daily basis.

You will need to be online when you install and license your software. If you have an annual membership, you'll be asked to connect to the web to validate your software licenses every 30 days. However, you'll be able to use products for 180 days even if you're offline.

So, your issue would have been resolved on day 34, leaving you 146 more days before the products would have stopped working on your computer. Perhaps frustrating because you'll get a nagging "You must connect to update your licenses!" screen every morning for 4 days, but not exactly "dead in the water" like you've experienced before.

Because amateurs don't buy CS. Amateurs don't drop the thousands of dollars that Adobe charges for CS on a photo editor. They use Elements, an alternative, or pirate it.

Or, you get yourself a student ID or use one from a student and get the suite for like $499.

And yes, I read the TOS, and it is prefectly legal to use the Student/Teacher editions for commercial money making ventures explicitly (look under the "how can I use my software" section).