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Between CBC's coverage of Canadian Pirate Party and this slashdot post, I had a chance to ask Elizabeth May about the idea of a Canadian Pirate Party.

http://r4nt.com/article/green-party-vs-pirate-party/

She says Green Party policy is copyrights should expire in 12 years (as opposed to Canada's effective 100 year copyright durations).

I know the Green Party doesn't push this aspect of their platform very hard, but it would be nice to have an elected MP speaking on economically optimal copyright durations, as opposed to what is "right" or "wrong" with downloading MP3s (yawn).

YouTube video of Elizabeth May on The Pirate Party and Copyright. Also recycleable (and CC licensed) at Internet Archive.

If The Pirate Party runs against Greens, then copyleft voters will have their vote split. Given Canada's first-past-the-post system, that guarantees we'll never have an elected MP pushing for shorter copyright duration.

You said, "More importantly, are these videos on ThePirateBay?".

From the article:

They forfeited the domain name, Extremeassociates.com, as part of their plea agreement, in U.S. District Court for the Western District of Pennsylvania. The company is now defunct.

Hopely that means that the movies are now in the public domain. I'll be looking for them on the Internet Archive.

Yet another case of punishing business for success. Alan Greenspan had it right back in 1966 when he wrote this memo on anti-trust legislation:

...
The world of antitrust is reminiscent of Alice's Wonderland: everything seemingly is, yet apparently isn't, simultaneously. It is a world in which competition is lauded as the basic axiom and guiding principle, yet "too much" competition is condemned as "cutthroat." It is a world in which actions designed to limit competition are branded as criminal when taken by businessmen, yet praised as "enlightened" when initiated by the government. It is a world in which the law is so vague that businessmen have no way of knowing whether specific actions will be declared illegal until they hear the judge's verdict -- after the fact.
...

Hmm, looks like bridged mode doesn't always play nicely with wireless.

Host-only mode with pptpproxy or parprouted might do the trick - there's a recipe for using the latter here.

They'll have to disclose the patents that they believe cover the implementation.

This might be in progress:
    http://www.osnews.com/story/21586

Then the patents can be worked around, and the issue is solved

FWIW, Microsoft believes certain patents are essential for implementing C# and CLI:

If they're going to sue users of Mono, why wouldn't they sue users of other software that also 'infringe' their patents?

Yes, they keep threatening this. See also SCO vs. IBM, et. al. vis-a-vis Baystar Capital.

Mono at least has the excuse that it's implementing an international standard.

DVD, h.264, myriad others? Patent licenses are frequently required to implement standards. Mono's official position is that if Microsoft comes after users based on patents (windows forms is the more likely target) they'll try to invent around it and if that's not possible, break compatibility. So then you have a product that somewhat works cross-platform, and Microsoft is the thought leader for your development platform.

If all those risks seem to be worth it, then who are we to get in the way? Competition is healthy.

No need to speculate:

http://web.archive.org/web/20050106060250/http://www.myspace.com/misc/terms.html

(More at:

http://web.archive.org/web/*/www.myspace.com/misc/terms.html)

The pertinent section seems to be as follows:

c. By posting Content on any public area of MySpace.com, you automatically grant as well as represent and warrant that you have the right to grant to MySpace.com, an irrevocable, perpetual, non-exclusive, fully paid, worldwide license to use, copy, perform, display, and distribute such information and content to MySpace.com and that MySpace.com has the right to prepare derivative works of, or incorporate into other works, such information and content, and to grant and authorize sublicenses of the foregoing.

So a little more generous to MySpace, but the important parts are that it is non-exclusive (so she retains rights) and that MySpace can grant a license (but I doubt the newspaper obtained one from them). The changes later in the year seem to take away stuff about derivative works, so if it happened after that, even less of a chance of the newspaper having permission.

No need to speculate:

http://web.archive.org/web/20050106060250/http://www.myspace.com/misc/terms.html

(More at:

http://web.archive.org/web/*/www.myspace.com/misc/terms.html)

The pertinent section seems to be as follows:

c. By posting Content on any public area of MySpace.com, you automatically grant as well as represent and warrant that you have the right to grant to MySpace.com, an irrevocable, perpetual, non-exclusive, fully paid, worldwide license to use, copy, perform, display, and distribute such information and content to MySpace.com and that MySpace.com has the right to prepare derivative works of, or incorporate into other works, such information and content, and to grant and authorize sublicenses of the foregoing.

So a little more generous to MySpace, but the important parts are that it is non-exclusive (so she retains rights) and that MySpace can grant a license (but I doubt the newspaper obtained one from them). The changes later in the year seem to take away stuff about derivative works, so if it happened after that, even less of a chance of the newspaper having permission.

the ECMA standard standard (just as ISO standard) says that the company implementing the standard must give every other implementer a licence for all those patents:

http://web.archive.org/web/20030424174805/http://mailserver.di.unipi.it/pipermail/dotnet-sscli/msg00218.html

Indeed. This is the primary reason I have never used Pandora and why I did end up using Last.fm. Pandora has never been accessible to me from where I've been in the world. With Last.fm no longer being free to listen on, options are limited, though, if you continue using scrobbling, you can still use Last.fm to find some decent recommendations to check out. Then you can turn to other sources to sample that music.

Though it isn't the same thing, in that you have no control over what you listen to, I'm going to go ahead and give a shout out to Triple J Radio, a radio station out of Melbourne, Australia that plays a wide range of music and very little top-40 crap.

If anyone is looking for legal free music, it is worth surfing around Archive.org and/or LegalTorrents. There are a lot of good independent artists out there giving their music away.

Thing is apple laptops are usually pretty good in design, so even OSS people will buy one and then put distro of choice on it, problem? not really. Good hardware is good hardware.

The hardware's fine, but I'll agree with the original Thomas article, the user interface is the key. As Thomas said, "once you have more than one designer, you get inconsistency, both in vision and in detail." Not to mention his comment that OS developers, "because they are hackers, they are power users, so the interface design ends up too complicated for most people to use."

No. If you actually took the trouble of reading what RMS wrote, he said specifically that *any* .NET platform implementation will have the same problem as Mono. He says free software developers should not develop apps that use the .NET platform, but that it is ok to have .NET platforms to run other existing .NET apps.

Wow, you morons are just as bad as Oprah viewers. I suppose you're not going to vaccinate your children, either?

It's a fantastic system to develop on and a huge time saver. Quite simply, companies that don't drink the moron koolaid will get more work done and enjoy better interoperability. The open source world lacks the vision to create cohesive platforms like this, so there's nothing wrong with implementing a well designed and solid one from the professional software world.

Besides, all free implementations of .NET are legally protected from prosecution for Microsoft's patents. If they go back on this, they could get countersued for opening them up in the first place.

http://web.archive.org/web/20030424174805/http://mailserver.di.unipi.it/pipermail/dotnet-sscli/msg00218.html

http://www.mono-project.com/Licensing

Wrong: http://web.archive.org/web/20030609164123/http://mailserver.di.unipi.it/pipermail/dotnet-sscli/msg00218.html

What an idiotic statement by RMS! Why should it be a danger? If there are any software patent issues, they are certainly not on C# which is an open standard

But Microsoft (and our co-sponsors, Intel and Hewlett-Packard) went
further and have agreed that our patents essential to implementing C#
and CLI will be available on a "royalty-free and otherwise RAND" basis
for this purpose.

http://web.archive.org/web/20030424174805/http://mailserver.di.unipi.it/pipermail/dotnet-sscli/msg00218.html

RMS == bonkers!?

No - just well-informed and cautious. Some people seem to trust that patent holders won't in future want to leverage patents covering tech. that could, invitingly, become deeply embedded in competing products. Others are more cynical / have read the patent strategy manuals and think that that sort of trust is naïvely optimistic. :)

RMS is actually harming many F/OSS projects with these stupid comments. What a letdown.

Quite the reverse.

CDs? You can stream almost every show from archive.org

Typing in the words "Atkins heart attack" into Google too hard for you, and I need to do it for you, huh? Here's some pics of Atkins 2 months before he had the fall that put him into a coma: Photos. Sorry, but if that man was 260 pounds when he died, it was water weight gained during the coma, just like the family says. The man looks healthy in those photographs.

Now, go away from the internet, please.

Anything stored digitally can be altered, often without a trace. Ever heard of the Wayback machine? If information is made available for free, and massively redundant copies are made of it, then revisionism is very easy to detect by doing diffs against the copies. You can only run a Ministry of Truth if you control ALL the copies of the information.

A better solution would have been the splashpower product. The product in it's original incarnation, was a mat that was slightly bigger than a mousepad, and some small inexpensive receiver components. It is based on inductive coupling. The idea is that you could just lay your devices on the mat (a mat could support multiple devices simultaneously if they were small enough to fit.)

Here is a concept image: http://web.archive.org/web/20050308101803/http://www.splashpower.com/_cms_images/sp_small.jpg

Unfortunately, the company ditched that, for a design that is basically a cradle, which more or less completely eliminates any benefit the technology has.

Different guy, but I did some research. Closest is this:
http://www.socialsecurity.gov/history/ssn/ssnchron.html
"To make, under federal law, unlawful disclosure or compelling disclosure of the SSN of any person a felony, punishable by fine and/or imprisonment."

I'm having difficulty pulling up the full text of that bill online. The closest I can find is a summary here.

I'm going to go out on a limb and assume that this law does not turn all landlords into federal felons. That law has been on the books for 32 years, so if it make it illegal for landlords to require SSN, I think the practice would be largely abolished by now. ;)

Next?

What I learned is that Adam Smith's invisible hand is broken -- although technosocialism like the Shuttle program is even worse.

So fix the invisible hand by reforming government to attend to its real business: Paying out citizens dividends under the social contract that brings us together to protect property rights that would not exist in the absence of that social contract. As with any dividend stream, there is an optimum for the shareholders that does not kill the goose that lays the golden eggs.

One day maybe they'll get it right and appoint someone with a working compass but it seems to me (from reading the article you linked) that Kappos' thinking is just as devoid of the empirically informed economic theory necessary to navigate patent system issues rationally and ethically as any of his predecessors'. Ironically, Dudas was probably slightly better placed background-wise to grasp why it's so extremely dubious that software should be patent eligible subject matter at all. A further irony is that IBM once (in the 1960s) at least seemed to understand patent system economics well enough to have made it their policy "...to be sure that nobody bottled up software and algorithms by getting patents on them.": http://web.archive.org/web/20060426151241/http://www.siam.org/siamnews/mtc/mtc593.htm

Now, that is a very inflammatory subject title, so let me explain what I mean.

I was glad to see a previous comment referencing John Taylor Gatto. I do not see Gatto's name in the PDF document. Neither do I see John Holt's name. The fact is, the purpose of "schooling" (which is not the same as "education", and you would expect a mathematician to be more precise in a use of terms) is precisely to do what the mathematician decries at the end: "And there you have it. A complete prescription for permanently disabling young minds-- a proven cure for curiosity. What have they done to mathematics! There is such breathtaking depth and heartbreaking beauty in this ancient art form. How ironic that people dismiss mathematics as the antithesis of creativity. They are missing out on an art form older than any book, more profound than any poem, and more abstract than any abstract. And it is school that has done this! What a sad endless cycle of innocent teachers inflicting damage upon innocent students. We could all be having so much more fun."

Education in the USA will not improve until people like this mathematician accept that what he said is the intentional purpose of schooling in all subjects for almost all children. See things like:
    "The 7-Lesson Schoolteacher" by John Taylor Gatto, NYS Teacher of the Year
    http://www.newciv.org/whole/schoolteacher.txt
or:
    "The Big Crunch" by Dr. David Goodstein, Vice Provost Caltech
    http://www.its.caltech.edu/~dg/crunch_art.html
or:
    "Growing Without Schooling" about John Holt's work, including failed attempts to reform schools
    http://www.holtgws.com/

At this point, it is people like Paul Lockhart who are the problem. People who think school is about education, when it is about socialization in a certain way intended for the most part to produce compliant workers, obedient soldiers, and mindless consumers. School is for fish. Curriculums are race tracks. And "class rooms" are literally to build social classes through selective breeding by genetics. Those are the origins of all those terms, at least according to Gatto, and, again, you would expect a mathematician to be precise about the origins and use of terminology.

With all that said, of course Paul Lockhart is right about how to improve mathematics education. But, it will never work within a Prussian-derived school system with no interest in truly educating children, despite every person who works at a school calling themselves an educator, and despite the truth that most of the people in schools might be fine educators if given the chance and a few years of untraining of their bad habits.
    "The Emergence of Compulsory Schooling and ... Resistance"
    http://web.archive.org/web/20071014123355/http://www.social-ecology.org/article.php?story=20031028151034651

Anyway, sorry to be so harsh on you, Paul. Read "Disciplined Minds" and start building a social network to help you and them and others break out of the prison around you:
    "Disciplined Minds: A Critical Look at Salaried Professionals and the Soul-Battering System That Shapes Their Lives"
    http://www.disciplined-minds.com/

The good news is, you have already taken the first step of getting out of the prison others have forced you to build for yourself.

now they're going to add video? Super swell idea there.

As a matter of fact, I was thinking just the other day The Internet Archive should add a peer-reviewed & maintained encyclopedia service...

Really, my summary is hyped up a bit. I doubt that Kappos will usher in a new era on his own; so much of patent law depends on Congress and the courts anyway. However, given the views of his predecessor (Dudas is on record as saying that "we must also actively educate the world that it [our patent system] is fundamentally the best system"), Kappos is on record as saying that in the U.S., "Trivial patents are being granted. By contrast, the system is better in Europe."

I think Kappos' background is also notable. He's really the first director of the computer generation: got an engineering degree, began working at IBM as an engineer, and then went over to law as a patent lawyer. By contrast, previous directors have either not had technical backgrounds, or have jumped around in the IP fields (Q. Todd Dickinson began work at Baxter, a healthcare company). I think Kappos having been brought up in IBM will make him more open to (or at least less skeptical of) open source-type ideas than any of the other former directors, and his computer/engineering background will also make him more critical of our patent system, and not as focused on ratcheting protections up as far as they can go. Imagine, on the other hand, if the appointee had been someone from PhRMA.

It is not unusual that a patent lawyer would hold an engineering degree; in fact, to sit for the patent bar, one needs typically needs an engineering or science degree, and some patent lawyers have advanced degrees in their areas of specialty. However, I thought it worth mentioning given that the former director of the USPTO, Jon Dudas, did not have any engineering or science background, but rather a degree in finance.

• http://www.archive.org/details/opensource_audio
• soundblog
• Podshow's podsafe music network

From TFA:

"Spokesperson Cara Duckworth of the RIAA, who attended the trial, told reporters afterwards, "Since day one we have been willing to settle this case... and we remain willing to do so." The industry appears to be doing everything it can not to appear vindictive in these cases..."

The RIAA says, vindictive, pretty old me? No, no, we are bending over backwards to take as little as possible of this poor native American mom's scant resources and transfer it to the billionaires we protect. Look, we kept it under $2 million, that's fair isn't it?

Use the above resources, don't buy anything which pays into the RIAA coffers. Let them see a $5 million negative blip that makes them wish they hadn't racketeered against their consumers including this midwestern mom.

The blog is no longer accessible http://nightjack.wordpress.com/ and can not be reached via http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://nightjack.wordpress.com/

It finally happened. This is the first recorded instance of a site being slashdotted not only in the present but also in the past and the future. Be very afraid. Your personal web page, not updated since the 90s, might be next.

Hi guys...just had to pop in on this lively discussion. How about some actual references to temper things a bit?
Link to the wayback machine for spacex's website in 2004ish http://web.archive.org/web/20040520043224/http://spacex.com/ If you compare that with the actual launch dates on the current version of the website, you will see that their time line did slip by about 2 years along the way. So Mr. Negative does have some ground to stand on.
On the other hand, 2 years slippage of the schedule does not a death of an industry make. Further, having a couple failures is bad and discouraging, but they have had a success now. Edison had to go through thousands of light bulb failures before he finally got a viable one. Progress is rarely easy, fast or cheap. Proof of the overall reliability of the Falcon rockets good or bad will come with more launches. A couple of test launches tells you little about what the finished product will be like. And frankly I would expect at least one failure of the Falcon 9 design before it's fully ready to fly regular cargo. You can do all the sims you want, but the real tests are in the real world (or real space as the case may be). Oh, and also looking back at SpaceX's history, you will find that they purposely put the Dragon project on a back burner for a while because it was not their main focus. So part of the delay there was simply a business decision and nothing to do with technology hurdles or the like.

bottom line: SpaceX has had some setbacks, but they are still working at it and making admirable progress. Just because their schedule isn't matching up with what the US needs to keep the ISS on schedule doesn't mean they won't "get off the ground" in general. The smaller Falcon rockets were not even meant for that duty anyway...they are for launching commercial and military sats. Anyway, Congress already authorized some $$$ to extend the Shuttle program a few extra missions so SpaceX will have that much more chance to get in there and get the job done.

The blog is no longer accessible http://nightjack.wordpress.com/ and can not be reached via http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://nightjack.wordpress.com/

Have you seen this yet:
http://www.archive.org/details/ThePowerOfNightmares

Lot's of video of current jerks weaving their evil future selves.

The "Fishbowl" browser had an integrated web server.

http://web.archive.org/web/20010502014727/chronofish.com/FishBowl/

-CF

I guess it would have been a better idea to imagine the CSS stylesheets then ...

This has been my absolute favorite in IT videos since I first saw it a year ago. It has that unashamed old-time dorkiness that I'm so nostalgic for. Get it in better-than-youtube quality at archive.org.

The "Fishbowl" browser had an integrated web server.

http://web.archive.org/web/20010502014727/chronofish.com/FishBowl/

-CF

call the bluff. To run moonlight you need mono. Microsoft holds ALL the pattens on the dotNET programming environment. When you can show me an app that runs on Mono that Microsoft gives one of those royalty free licenses to, then come talk to me.

Actually if you look here you'll see that Microsoft (and sponsors Intel/HP) agreed to make most of the .NET patents royalty free. The only component which contains royaly patents is Windows.Forms, which is why it's not inclued as part of Mono.

Out of curiosity, when chronologically was this?

Actually, it was back in Opera 5 days. The URL http://composer.opera.com/ seems to date back to June 30, 2001:

http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://composer.opera.com

Checking the main Opera site as of that date shows Opera 5.12 was released for Windows.

Doug McIlroy gave an extensive history lesson to my LUG a few years back. It's long, but worth the time for those who enjoy computer history:

http://www.archive.org/download/DougMcIlroy_AncestryOfLinux_DLSLUG/DougMcIlroy_AncestryOfLinux_DLSLUG_708kb.mp4

The quality is sub-low-budget, but viewable.

The noise is very unique. If you are near the laser bay the noise you hear is a LOUD BANG from the thousands of enormous Xe flashlamps going off simultaneously. The capacitor bay that discharges to fire the lamps produces deeper thud. The noise that comes from the target bay is very different. It's very similar to the quick fsss you hear when opening a can of soda (minus the click), but louder and more resonant. I suspect this has to do with the fact some residual IR light is absorbed by the backplanes of the turning mirrors, so this noise may not be present on all ICF lasers. The target in the implosion chamber itself can make almost no noise at all or a moderate muffled bang, depending on the target type and laser energy used for the shot. there used to be a recording of the GEKKO XII system in Osaka firing, but that site is gone now.

Sounds like this would be great for the end user. All live recordings would be reduced to free because here is the current value: http://www.archive.org/details/etree . Most all software would be free because of http://www.gnu.org/ and http://kernel.org/ , and http://sf.net/ .

Basically, everything will asymptote to $0.00, and any percentage of that is also $0.00. I doubt the lawmakers thought of it that way, now did they?

Even the coolest UAV/UAS run by GNU/Linux probably are not legal for you to fly most places, at least in the US. See:

"Subcommittee on Aviation Hearing on Unmanned Aerial Vehicles (UAVs) and the National Airspace System"

from March 29 2006, which now has turned in to this, on Feb 24th 2009:

"Unmanned Aircraft Systems (UASs)" .

I'm holding out for a good Counterbary based system myself...

My brother in law is quite reasonable in his unreasonableness. He understands we disagree so we hardly touch the subject anymore, and he is open to discussion, but is NOT open to finding a middle ground. Any attempts to do so are seen with skepticism.

Be warned that if it's a point of friction that comes up in his case with his auditor, you might be determined to be PTS (potential trouble source) to his advancement up the bridge (spiritual progress as it were) and he might be told to disconnect from you.

As for the Space Opera stuff, if he ever does the Saint Hill Special Briefing Course to become one of the Dukes of the Auditor Elite, he'll find plenty of it. For example, the Between Lives Implants lecture with alien Invader Force bases on Mars and Venus with afterlife collection points and armored spaceships...

I suppose that Dilbert is not published in your country of residence:

http://web.archive.org/web/20011027002011/http://dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/archive/images/dilbert2001182781025.gif

X is a disaster!

All the variouse WMs and DEs (I use Fluxbox personally) barely cover up the rough edges and sharp corners in the X brainfuck!

For your reading pleasure:
http://web.archive.org/web/20041010180516/http://catalog.com/hopkins/unix-haters/x-windows/disaster.html
http://linux.omnipotent.net/article.php?article_id=10127
http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/X_Window_System

[Fuck] is a very old word, recorded in English since the 15th century (few acronyms predate the 20th century), with cognates in other Germanic languages. The Random House Historical Dictionary of American Slang (Random House, 1994, ISBN 0-394-54427-7) cites Middle Dutch fokken = "to thrust, copulate with"; Norwegian dialect fukka = "to copulate"; and Swedish dialect focka = "to strike, push, copulate" and fock = "penis". Although German ficken may enter the picture somehow, it is problematic in having e-grade, or umlaut, where all the others have o-grade or zero-grade of the vowel.

AHD1, following Pokorny, derived "feud", "fey", "fickle", "foe", and "fuck" from an Indo-European root peig2 = "hostile"; but AHD2 and AHD3 have dropped this connection for "fuck" and give no pre-Germanic etymon for it. Eric Partridge, in the 7th edition of Dictionary of Slang and Unconventional English (Macmillan, 1970), said that "fuck" "almost certainly" comes from the Indo-European root *peuk- = "to prick" (which is the source of the English words "compunction", "expunge", "impugn", "poignant", "point", "pounce", "pugilist", "punctuate", "puncture", "pungent", and "pygmy"). Robert Claiborne, in The Roots of English: A Reader's Handbook of Word Origin (Times, 1989) agrees that this is "probably" the etymon. Problems with such theories include a distribution that suggests a North-Sea Germanic areal form rather than an inherited one; the murkiness of the phonetic relations; and the fact that no alleged cognate outside Germanic has sexual connotations.

Basically, this means that the word is likely Germanic in origin, though no one can point to the exact origin. Additionally, not all linguists agree on the origins. Irregardless, it is clear that this word has sexual connotations in at least three languages besides English, and has had a sexual connotation to it in America for quite some time.

Yes, the word has drifted into common usage as a noun, verb, adjective, adverb, and interjection by those with a severely limited vocabulary, but that does not remove the original meaning from the word, which was clearly sexual in nature.

Come on, this is Slashdot! We scream foul when people inappropriately use the word "hacker" to refer to crackers and phreakers, but when an entire population begins to use the word fuck in a manner completely disassociated with its intended meaning, we defend this usage?!?

Anyways, that's my 2 cents, and I apologize to anyone who is offended by a Christian who is not afraid to have an adult discussion about the word fuck.

Guess I'm not the only one who misses rootshell

I want my city to have a Steel Pipe Snow Melting System. And underground freight tunnels. And a Continuous Transit System with Sub-Surface Moving Platforms. And rooftop heliports. And skyscraper restaurants.

Groovy baby.

No, its not. Login/Password required. And Lame explanations why this should be necessary:
http://web.archive.org/web/20080116064652/http://www.avsim.com/

So the content not only got lost because of a stupid backup-strategy, but because of an even dumber login-required-strategy.

Linus said it: "Only wimps use tape backup: _real_ men just upload their important stuff on ftp, and let the rest of the world mirror it ;)" And thats precisly what avsim should have done.

What, you mean like this guy? You probably wouldn't even have the browser you're using right now if it weren't for that particular, uh. hacker.

And ironically, JWZ has a pretty good simple guide on backups: http://www.jwz.org/doc/backups.html

A public viewing will be available at:

http://web.archive.org/web/20080116064652/http://www.avsim.com/

No date has been set for the funeral.

Which reminds me. They could always use the WayBack Machine to (help in) retrieving their archives:
http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.avsim.com/

Google Cache seems to archive only the most recent pages:
http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.avsim.com%2F&submit2=Google

What, you mean like this guy? You probably wouldn't even have the browser you're using right now if it weren't for that particular, uh. hacker.

Well, I can't find anything else on the subject either, so I guess I'll pipe down on that subject until I can find my reference again, IF I can find it. It did have a citation. In the meantime, http://www.malecontraceptives.org/methods/others.php has some citations for other studies on the subject, though, and specifically sets out to debunk the military study. Not sure if that's really been achieved, or what... but I certainly appreciate the value of a good citation.