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Re:Any color but RED by imtheguru · 2003-10-23 13:58 · Score: 1 · on Branding Mozilla: Towards Mozilla 2.0

Just tossing in a few more brandnames that were not mentioned.

CNN
ATI Technologies Inc
Adobe Systems Inc.
Yahoo

Cheers,

top 10. by Kewjoe · 2003-10-08 05:44 · Score: 1 · on Top 10 Software Titles Every Home PC Needs?

Browser: Mozilla Firebird 0.6.1 (or 0.7 nightly build)

Email: Thunderbird 0.2 (or 0.3 nightly build)

Office Suite: Open Office 1.1

SSH Client: Putty 0.53b

Graphics: Irfan View 3.85 or GIMP 1.2.5

Music: Winamp 2.91

Virus Scanner: AVG 7.0

Instant Messenger: Psi 0.9 or Trillian Basic 0.74E or gaim 0.70

Non-Copywrited Music downloads :P : WinMX 3.31

Video Player (paired with an ATI Video card): ATI MMC 7.6

FTP : LeapFTP 2.7.4

ok so that was 11 .. sorry ;)

How will this affect the ATI bundle? by FuzzyGuru · 2003-10-07 03:36 · Score: 1 · on Half-Life 2 Delayed Following Code Leak

Ati is supposed to be bundling Half-Life 2 in with their new 9600XR and 9800XT graphics cards.

So, will we all just get a coupon?

How will this this affect Dell? They are the other partner involved. more info here

How will this affect the ATI bundle? by FuzzyGuru · 2003-10-07 03:36 · Score: 1 · on Half-Life 2 Delayed Following Code Leak

Ati is supposed to be bundling Half-Life 2 in with their new 9600XR and 9800XT graphics cards.

So, will we all just get a coupon?

How will this this affect Dell? They are the other partner involved. more info here

Re:Death of eCommerce by Rob+Simpson · 2003-10-01 14:47 · Score: 1 · on New U.S. Sales Tax Regime For Internet Sellers?

Very true. I've always had to pay taxes on internet purchases in Canada, and that's never stopped me. (Duty on stuff from the US is just nasty, though.) I buy things online that I can't find locally - mainly tons of anime, and computer stuff.

Re:There are other markets by Anonymous Coward · 2003-09-19 10:43 · Score: 0 · on S3's DeltaChrome Graphics Chip

Ati has more than embedded Radeons.

Re:MS does good by minus9 · 2003-09-17 22:17 · Score: 1 · on Half-Life 2 - A Linux User's Lament

Look again. ATI Radeon drivers XFree86 4.3

Works fine with my Radeon 9700

ATI Inside? by Anonymous Coward · 2003-09-17 10:00 · Score: 0 · on Intel Demos New P4 'Extreme Edition'

I wonder if it was running this ATI card. That puppy is really going to smoke half-life 2.

GDDR2-M for the Radeon 9600 by saha · 2003-09-16 17:40 · Score: 1 · on New PowerBooks, Bluetooth Keyboard and Mouse

I was hoping they would use GDDR2-M in the Radeon 9600 mobility GPU

Support for GDDR2-M memory, offering highest mobile memory speeds with lowest power consumption

There would be a huge advantage to having this memory built directly onto the same chipset as the GPU.

Re:Like more duh... by HoneyBunchesOfGoats · 2003-09-15 06:00 · Score: 1 · on Open Cable Standard Not So Open

I do. I live in a college dorm room the size of a walk-in closet. My 20" computer monitor already dominates my desk; I don't have room anywhere else to put a television. The monitor is large enough to be watched from my bed across the room when tuning cable. Accessories like wireless keyboards and remote controls makes this feasible.

Re:Seriously, what are they thinking? by Anonymous Coward · 2003-09-14 04:04 · Score: 0 · on Half-Life 2, ATI, NVIDIA, and a Sack of Cash

Well, like i said i have no patience for this kind of stuff. But anyways i just went back to ATI's Driver website section, selected linux in the first box, picked Graphic Driver in the second, picked Radeon 9800 in the third. Looks like there's something for Xfree 4.3, oh wait damn .rpm! And i never clicked on those eh. I don't have rpm installed and i'm not planning on installing it either.

downloaded the drivers for my card, unpacked them, make, make install

I'd like to know where you got the packages. feel free to point me in the right direction, I haven't seen anything close to that on their website back then, and i'm still not seeing this on their website either. I got stuck with a gentoo distro with no hardware acceleration, because gentoo didn't have an ebuild for the card i had and because i couldn't get my hands on the source in a reasonable amount of time.

Now I just went to the gentoo portage listing. Oh a new ebuild :)

Like i said, they might work now, back then i got frustrated and gave up on playing at work ( lol might be good thing! ).

Anyways, it was a real mess. I never thought for one instant that it would remain that way but i still question ATI for only releasing a RPM and no source, why? Do I have to call them to get it or what ? if so .. it's pretty lame.

Re:uhmm no by Anonymous Coward · 2003-09-13 18:17 · Score: 0 · on Half-Life 2, ATI, NVIDIA, and a Sack of Cash

Err... sorry, you're wrong. The newest drivers are less then a month old.

http://www.ati.com/support/drivers/linux/radeon-li nux.html?type=linux&prodType=graphic&prod=products LINUXdriver&submit.x=5&submit.y=8

Re:ati and nvidia dx9 by Badaro · 2003-09-13 18:14 · Score: 1 · on Half-Life 2, ATI, NVIDIA, and a Sack of Cash

You should check again. :) From http://www2.ati.com/drivers/firegl/readme0325.txt

Graphics Accelerators:
ATI Radeon 8500, 9100, 9200, 9500, 9600, 9700, 9800, M9, M9+, M10
ATI FireGL 8700, 8800, E1, E2, X1, X2, Z1

And this is a pretty recent driver, dated from 09/04/03. I didn't have a opportunity to test it yet, but I've heard good things from some people who are already running it.

Here's the URL for the driver page: http://www.ati.com/support/drivers/linux/radeon-li nux.html?type=linux&prodType=graphic&prod=products LINUXdriver&submit.x=5&submit.y=8

[]s Badaro

Re:ati and nvidia dx9 by Badaro · 2003-09-13 18:14 · Score: 1 · on Half-Life 2, ATI, NVIDIA, and a Sack of Cash

You should check again. :) From http://www2.ati.com/drivers/firegl/readme0325.txt

Graphics Accelerators:
ATI Radeon 8500, 9100, 9200, 9500, 9600, 9700, 9800, M9, M9+, M10
ATI FireGL 8700, 8800, E1, E2, X1, X2, Z1

And this is a pretty recent driver, dated from 09/04/03. I didn't have a opportunity to test it yet, but I've heard good things from some people who are already running it.

Here's the URL for the driver page: http://www.ati.com/support/drivers/linux/radeon-li nux.html?type=linux&prodType=graphic&prod=products LINUXdriver&submit.x=5&submit.y=8

[]s Badaro

Re:ati and nvidia dx9 by Plug · 2003-09-13 15:18 · Score: 4, Informative · on Half-Life 2, ATI, NVIDIA, and a Sack of Cash

ATI has just released official XFree86 4.3 drivers.

The driver even handled an upgrade to Kernel 2.6 without flinching. NVidia AGPGART support doesn't have to be hacked in any more either, it would seem.

No more mucking around with the FireGL drivers from the German branch of ATI.

Re:On the other hand... by Mohammed+Al-Sahaf · 2003-09-11 21:40 · Score: 1 · on GeForce FX Architecture Explained

ATI provide proprietary drivers for X that give 2D acceleration. They give technical information to third party developers to help them write 3D drivers.

Re:let's remember by Newtonian_p · 2003-09-11 13:45 · Score: 1 · on Initial Half-Life 2 Benchmarks Released

What recent Radeon card don't they support? They have a Linux driver for the 8500, 9100, 9200, 9500, 9600, 9700 and 9800.

Re:ATI drivers on Linux by Newtonian_p · 2003-09-11 13:42 · Score: 1 · on Initial Half-Life 2 Benchmarks Released

Try their FireGL drivers for Linux. They're meant for professionals so OpenGL support should be good and they work on regular Radeons (8500, 9100, 9200, 9500, 9600, 9700, 9800).

HL2 optimized for ATI cards... by Nimey · 2003-09-11 01:41 · Score: 2, Interesting · on Initial Half-Life 2 Benchmarks Released

There's a good reason why the ATI cards were so much faster than the nVidia: Half-Life 2 is optimized for the Radeon 9800.

Re:Well, yeah... by My+name+isn't+Tim · 2003-09-01 06:53 · Score: 4, Informative · on Possible NVidia Link To PS3 Disputed

actually ATi makes many non PC based chips, the Gamecube example has already been pointed out.
but they also make graphics chips for PDAs and cell phones
http://www.ati.com/products/handheld.html
and chips for Digital TV
http://www.ati.com/products/dtv.html
and MPEG decoder/encoder chips and some others I can't think of right now...

Re:Well, yeah... by My+name+isn't+Tim · 2003-09-01 06:53 · Score: 4, Informative · on Possible NVidia Link To PS3 Disputed

actually ATi makes many non PC based chips, the Gamecube example has already been pointed out.
but they also make graphics chips for PDAs and cell phones
http://www.ati.com/products/handheld.html
and chips for Digital TV
http://www.ati.com/products/dtv.html
and MPEG decoder/encoder chips and some others I can't think of right now...

Re:ATI Catalyst Beta Program by niko9 · 2003-08-21 13:13 · Score: 1 · on ATi FireGL X1 Vs. NVIDIA Quadro FX 2000

The time stamp clearly shows August 11 2003.

Now, as far as your driver troubles, are you using the November 2002 drivers? If so, please, download the FireGl drivers. Click on Linux, then FireGL, then the first card on the list. You could also follow this link.

They were updated last month, will work with your Radeon 8500 (I have both a 9700 Pro and a 8500), perform better, and have fixed Xv video support. They also convert nicely with alien if your using Debian (which I am).

Re:Coming soon... by Jugalator · 2003-07-31 21:48 · Score: 1 · on Microsoft Deploys Linux, Open Software in Test Lab

Journaling file system
xp doesn't have it

Yes, XP, 2000 and even the now rather ancient NT4 use NTFS which is a journaling file system.

Font book
xp doesn't have it

Well, not the exact same feature, but try opening the Fonts folder in Windows. It's a "special" folder as it can compare font similarities, give font previews and install fonts. I agree it's not quite as advanced as the font book, though, but it has several features from it. This is btw not new for XP, but exist in Windows 2000 as well.

Built-in faxing
xp doesn't have it

Just plain wrong.

Hardware accelerated user interface
xp doesn't have it

Huh? That's an old feature too. I think all Windows versions since 95 has had it to a varying degree and in later versions. Windows 2000/XP use it for alpha blending and general graphics acceleration.

A control layout that makes sense
xp doesn't have it

Then move the Start Menu to the top, left, right or wherever you want it to be. I assume you can do the same in Panther for flexibility?

OS level HWR software
xp doesn't have it

This is the only thing on your list I can't find a matching feature in XP for.

The list goes on and on.

If you're going to go for features XP and OSX share as modern operating systems, yes.

Re:ATI state of linux support by Pulzar · 2003-07-28 01:22 · Score: 1 · on High End Silent Cooling For Graphics Cards

Linux and XFree86 Information

Re:Graphics Drivers by Sammich · 2003-07-26 12:55 · Score: 1 · on Savage to Support Linux

The reason their drivers perform so poorly in Linux according to ATI/Linux users (don't know never used them)is that they don't create the Linux drivers themselves.

ATI actively assists qualified 3rd party Linux developers writing software for the majority of ATI products by providing them with development kits and information.

Re:interface, interface, interface by aardwolf204 · 2003-07-25 06:53 · Score: 1 · on In-Dash DIN-form-factor Car PC

When I built my carpc this was my main concern. After a few failed attempts at making windows useable on a 7" LCD I found this little gem. Couple that beautiful, customizable interface with something like an IRman , or my personal favorite the ATI Remote Wonder and you've got yourself something very useable, even on the interstate.

The other alternative is a touch screen LCD with the myHTPC or similar software, but thats when this little toy starts to hurt my wallet.

Re:Don't buy unsupported hardware by Anonymous Coward · 2003-07-21 00:43 · Score: 0 · on Reverse Engineered 802.11b+ Drivers

ATI stable drivers

Beta drivers

ATI Linux Drivers link... by Karem+Lore · 2003-07-10 02:02 · Score: 1 · on 3DLabs Releases Linux Drivers

Although many of you guys say that ATI don't support linux, they do have information and links to drivers for 2D and 3D for up to and including 9700 family..."Where?" I hear you should.

Well here of course.

ATI Linux Drivers link... by Karem+Lore · 2003-07-10 02:02 · Score: 1 · on 3DLabs Releases Linux Drivers

Although many of you guys say that ATI don't support linux, they do have information and links to drivers for 2D and 3D for up to and including 9700 family..."Where?" I hear you should.

Well here of course.

ati customer care: by leuk_he · 2003-07-10 01:14 · Score: 1 · on 3DLabs Releases Linux Drivers

from ati support
Please note - ATI Customer Care has NO INFORMATION regarding:

* which ATI chips or products are supported in a particular version of Linux or XFree86
* how to configure Linux for a given ATI chip or product
* when or if drivers are being developed to support ATI chips in a given version of Linux or XFree86
* what features these drivers might have

In short: we dont care about this.

In other words: if more people decide the buying on the quality of the linux drivers we would improve it.

The drivers ARE still on ATI.com by grolschie · 2003-06-30 09:48 · Score: 1 · on ATI's Radeon Linux drivers no longer supported?

http://www.ati.com/support/drivers/linux/radeon-li nux.html and they DO work on newer ATI cards.

Re:Linux: Not supported ? by grolschie · 2003-06-30 09:23 · Score: 1 · on GF FX 5900 Ultra vs. ATi Radeon 9800 Pro

It's called being patient. ATI have already said that they are going to release 4.3 drivers. What does X4.2 in games that 4.3 cannot? I mean in tangible gaming performance? I can see little difference between ATI Radeon playing Wolf ET with Linux (XF4.2) and MS Windows.

Send all your complaints to: http://apps.ati.com/linuxDfeedback/ if you think their drivers suck or they are too slow in releasing them.

I'd rather they released good quality drivers, rather than release buggy drivers like some other company.

You could always revert to XF4.2. It is a simple matter with most dists. That way you get OpenGL, etc.

Re:This article is all wrong by MJOverkill · 2003-06-30 06:24 · Score: 0 · on ATI's Radeon Linux drivers no longer supported?

Here are the linux drivers from ATI's site.

The guy who submitted this obviously couldn't figure out the 'Select Operating System' field.

What a bunch of reactionary crap ... by pantropik · 2003-06-30 06:15 · Score: 5, Informative · on ATI's Radeon Linux drivers no longer supported?

Normally I don't post in threads like this, which mostly consist of every user with a functional keyboard doing his best to shout down everyone else.

I've read through this thread and read "ATI is great and you're a moron" and "ATI sucks and YOU'RE a moron" ... I must say, it'd almost be amusing if the people saying this crap didn't come across as being so serious.

Let's review:

ATI's website has been revamped. Completely replacing a website this large in place is, one would expect, nontrivial. We can expect a few glitches here and there. It's not like some guy at GeoCities unveiling his new "Pamela's Yummy Tits" website. It's certainly NOT worthy of this level of discussion (term used VERY loosely) when the simple fact is, as you're about to see, it's all about ... NOTHING!

After reading all about the horrors facing innocent Linux-using high-end Radeon owners, I did the unthinkable: before posting ANYthing I visited the site for myself. I know, I know, the ancient Greek method of simply thinking about something and then expounding on it rather than actually sullying ones' self by investigating ... it's ugly. But I never claimed to be perfect. Next thing you know I'll actually start READING THE ARTICLES BEFORE COMMENTING ... god help me.

First I went here.

Then I clicked the big link called "DRIVERS". That brought me to here.

In the left pane I clicked "Graphic Driver". The pane to the right of that then presented an array of choices. I chose "Linux" and then from the pane just to the right of that I chose "RADEON 9700 PRO".

And what did I find after clicking the little red and quite intuitive "GO" button?

Driver Download and Installation
Before you start, please read these installation tips.

Download this driver bundle if you are having issues with your ATI product, including those mentioned in the "Fixed in this driver"
ATI Linux Driver Version 2.5.1:
Install the Driver Package for XFree 4.1.0 OR Install the Driver Package for XFree 4.2.0.
Xfree86 Version Driver Version
4.1.0 X4.1.0-2.5.1
4.2.0 X4.2.0-2.5.1

Posted: November 29, 2002
Released/Not Supported

Driver Release Notes (HTML)

This version supports only Linux/x86 versions based on libc 6.2.
To find out which library you have, download the script 'Check.sh' and run it.
This bundle contains the necessary files for any X86 version of Linux based on libc 6.2 (glibc 2.2)
Submit feedback on this driver to our ATI Linux Driver Feedback

Further Linux and XFree86 information on ATI products is available from the ATI website.

And there you go. Emergency over. After reading all the pure CRAP in this thread I must say it was a bit of a letdown.

And for those a bit braver, beta drivers for X 4.3 can be found HERE If you want to know what the deal is with these drivers (which are much newer than the ones on the main ATI site) just head over to HERE and you'll find lots of comments made by people who have (*gasp!*) actually USED the drivers instead of just making uninformed and mostly WRONG sweeping statements about them on Slashdot.

I apologize. I don't normally post things this mean-spirited but watching this thread unfold just kind of disgusted me. So many people ready to spout whatever bullshit pops into their minds, so FEW people who take a look at what's actually going on ... and you know what else?

Mod me down all you want. In this case I really, really very honestly don't care.

What a bunch of reactionary crap ... by pantropik · 2003-06-30 06:15 · Score: 5, Informative · on ATI's Radeon Linux drivers no longer supported?

Normally I don't post in threads like this, which mostly consist of every user with a functional keyboard doing his best to shout down everyone else.

I've read through this thread and read "ATI is great and you're a moron" and "ATI sucks and YOU'RE a moron" ... I must say, it'd almost be amusing if the people saying this crap didn't come across as being so serious.

Let's review:

ATI's website has been revamped. Completely replacing a website this large in place is, one would expect, nontrivial. We can expect a few glitches here and there. It's not like some guy at GeoCities unveiling his new "Pamela's Yummy Tits" website. It's certainly NOT worthy of this level of discussion (term used VERY loosely) when the simple fact is, as you're about to see, it's all about ... NOTHING!

After reading all about the horrors facing innocent Linux-using high-end Radeon owners, I did the unthinkable: before posting ANYthing I visited the site for myself. I know, I know, the ancient Greek method of simply thinking about something and then expounding on it rather than actually sullying ones' self by investigating ... it's ugly. But I never claimed to be perfect. Next thing you know I'll actually start READING THE ARTICLES BEFORE COMMENTING ... god help me.

First I went here.

Then I clicked the big link called "DRIVERS". That brought me to here.

In the left pane I clicked "Graphic Driver". The pane to the right of that then presented an array of choices. I chose "Linux" and then from the pane just to the right of that I chose "RADEON 9700 PRO".

And what did I find after clicking the little red and quite intuitive "GO" button?

Driver Download and Installation
Before you start, please read these installation tips.

Download this driver bundle if you are having issues with your ATI product, including those mentioned in the "Fixed in this driver"
ATI Linux Driver Version 2.5.1:
Install the Driver Package for XFree 4.1.0 OR Install the Driver Package for XFree 4.2.0.
Xfree86 Version Driver Version
4.1.0 X4.1.0-2.5.1
4.2.0 X4.2.0-2.5.1

Posted: November 29, 2002
Released/Not Supported

Driver Release Notes (HTML)

This version supports only Linux/x86 versions based on libc 6.2.
To find out which library you have, download the script 'Check.sh' and run it.
This bundle contains the necessary files for any X86 version of Linux based on libc 6.2 (glibc 2.2)
Submit feedback on this driver to our ATI Linux Driver Feedback

Further Linux and XFree86 information on ATI products is available from the ATI website.

And there you go. Emergency over. After reading all the pure CRAP in this thread I must say it was a bit of a letdown.

And for those a bit braver, beta drivers for X 4.3 can be found HERE If you want to know what the deal is with these drivers (which are much newer than the ones on the main ATI site) just head over to HERE and you'll find lots of comments made by people who have (*gasp!*) actually USED the drivers instead of just making uninformed and mostly WRONG sweeping statements about them on Slashdot.

I apologize. I don't normally post things this mean-spirited but watching this thread unfold just kind of disgusted me. So many people ready to spout whatever bullshit pops into their minds, so FEW people who take a look at what's actually going on ... and you know what else?

Mod me down all you want. In this case I really, really very honestly don't care.

Multimedia Center menu on ATI Driver page by philipsblows · 2003-06-30 05:20 · Score: 1 · on ATI's Radeon Linux drivers no longer supported?

Maybe useful... if you check under "Multimedia Center" rather than "Graphic Driver" and then check "Linux" as the platform, drivers for the recent ATI offerings are listed, along with the familiar download page that I remember seeing a couple of months ago when I was looking for this stuff. This is visible here. It would appear that these point to the FireGL driver anyway, so all this does is offer some reassurance that recent cards are still listed with Linux drivers...

I don't actually have an ATI card at the moment, so YMV.

Mistake when switching to new layout? by Craig+Nagy · 2003-06-30 05:02 · Score: 1 · on ATI's Radeon Linux drivers no longer supported?

As far as I can tell, linux is fully supported and they even have a feedback area just for linux users...

May have been a temporary slip on the new site (which I find appealing btw)

There's more info here and here

Mistake when switching to new layout? by Craig+Nagy · 2003-06-30 05:02 · Score: 1 · on ATI's Radeon Linux drivers no longer supported?

As far as I can tell, linux is fully supported and they even have a feedback area just for linux users...

May have been a temporary slip on the new site (which I find appealing btw)

There's more info here and here

Mistake when switching to new layout? by Craig+Nagy · 2003-06-30 05:02 · Score: 1 · on ATI's Radeon Linux drivers no longer supported?

As far as I can tell, linux is fully supported and they even have a feedback area just for linux users...

May have been a temporary slip on the new site (which I find appealing btw)

There's more info here and here

Drivers are still there by Anonymous Coward · 2003-06-30 04:20 · Score: 2, Informative · on ATI's Radeon Linux drivers no longer supported?

Here are drivers for Radeon, (I had bookmarked the link before they changed their site) but it seems that they are the fireGL drivers anyway (fglrx-glc22...), and they are for XFree 4.1.0 or 4.2.0, not 4.3.0.