Slashdot Mirror

From the BeOS FAQ: "BeOS supports ATAPI and SCSI Zip drives...." I knew I shoulda gone SCSI :)

i think even if you spend 1 billion $ for a 100m aperture telescope on earth, that a e.g. 20m telescope in orbit will be better. Also i think that there's too much "competition" in the huge telescope market, we've got the GTC, the LBT, the SALT, the VISTA, the LAMOST, the DMT, the CELT, the XLT, the OWL, the LSST, the GSMT, the MAXAT, the ELT. Why? why not make only one bigger/better on earth, or even in space? the 2.4m HST proved the bettest scope is in space.
--
BeDevId 15453 - Download BeOS R5 Lite free!

I have a theory on the correct clock speed to recommend to friends and family when they inevitably ask me what they should buy.

It goes like this. Take the fastest speed you've seen, divide by two, and get plenty of RAM.

This allows for both their interest and investment in technology (if the fastest speed they have seen to date is 600mhz, they don't need to spend $1,000 on a box of metal.). The RAM should be plentiful, depending on the day. NIC for sure. The peripheral should be based on need...and that's about it.

OS....do what you can, recommend Be if it works.
--

take a look at this graphics to see what langage rules/sucks. What sucks hard is Maple, and people prefer Cobol to Java :)
--
BeDevId 15453 - Download BeOS R5 Lite free!

Posted by 11223:

Drinking the 3$ FUD, I suppose? Try BeOS! And I suppose there's a good reason why you're forgetting the Macintosh...

• Without purporting to speak for Be, Inc., yet in an attempt to obviate the need for you to undertake the strenous research that would make the following statement painfully obvious for even the most discerning waterborne marsupial, I will vouchsafe for "Bols Ewhac", that he is who he says he is, and that he is, in fact, an employee of Be. If you want more proof, see The Be Team, and connect the dots. (Of course, I won't tell you who I am though. Life isn't fair sometimes.)
• Further, I hope that you'll agree that his prior contributions to Slashdot are sufficient to prove his integrity.
• Finally, I disagree with your comment that what ewhac said is "childish and unprofessional." Many professional experts and Slashdot gurus say far worse of Microsoft or other benchmark-stuffers than what ewhac has said, and with far less justification or wit. And they weren't speaking on their own time with their own voice, defending the integrity of their work, as ewhac is.

To answer your original comment about what is worth moderating up, healthy skepticism of any benchmark is fully warranted. Now, you may feel that completely unsupported accusations and groundless rumormongering constitute good entertainment value -- and it seems, from my experience, that the majority of Americans, at least, would agree with you :-). They certainly do not, however, constitute healthy skepticism, and are the last thing I want to see encouraged on Slashdot. That is the reason the post in question should be moderated into oblivion, not because The Man, who happens to be wearing a Be cap over his long hair, tells you to. I can't speak for you, but I would vastly prefer to see hard evidence or reason backing up a piece of juicy criticism before said criticism gets spewed into the net, not after. Perhaps I differ from some of my Slashdot colleagues, however, in this admittedly farfetched belief.

As far as bottlenecks go, Jason Sams and the other 3D god{esse}?s in these parts are the ultimate authority, but I could think of several places besides the hardware where the performance of OpenGL would be affected. Anything to shorten or optimize the rendering pipeline in software (using SIMD, dynamic generation of the pipeline for critical sections, native OpenGL vs. Glide support in the driver, etc.) is going to make a big difference for most interesting OpenGL work, and no, not every implementation of OpenGL has all of these software issues sorted out. So perhaps these numbers are not as thin-air as you think.

On a different tack, if you did do the equivalent of dropping "triangles" in the audio world, and could do it without anybody noticing, it would be heralded as "next-generation compression based on psychoacoustic perception heuristics," and the computing community would clap you on the back. Perhaps Be does have something up their sleeve after all! ( Now now, that's of course a groundless rumor, and I shouldn't have said it. Please don't take it seriously. :-P )

*sigh* You'd think with all my years experience on USENET, I'd know better.

Okay, the slam against Microsoft was gratuitous and unecessary, and for that I apologize.

As for the rest of it, I've scanned my personal archive of our internal OpenGL beta mailing list, and I can find no mention of problems with dropped triangles, nor any mention of attempts to run SGI's flying paper airplane example (where the missing triangles are allegedly visible). I've also searched our bug database; same result. This /. post is the first I have heard of any such problem.

Speaking entirely personally, it is much easier to help people having trouble with BeOS if they address their issues through the channels we've set up or our mailing lists -- not just OpenGL issues, but any issues at all. There are precious few of us here, so we can't respond to everyone individually, but everything does get logged and reviewed. We really do want to make BeOS amazingly great. And, if nothing else, going through channels helps prevent easily excitable people like me from committing social gaffes.

My apologies,
Schwab

*sigh* You'd think with all my years experience on USENET, I'd know better.

Okay, the slam against Microsoft was gratuitous and unecessary, and for that I apologize.

As for the rest of it, I've scanned my personal archive of our internal OpenGL beta mailing list, and I can find no mention of problems with dropped triangles, nor any mention of attempts to run SGI's flying paper airplane example (where the missing triangles are allegedly visible). I've also searched our bug database; same result. This /. post is the first I have heard of any such problem.

Speaking entirely personally, it is much easier to help people having trouble with BeOS if they address their issues through the channels we've set up or our mailing lists -- not just OpenGL issues, but any issues at all. There are precious few of us here, so we can't respond to everyone individually, but everything does get logged and reviewed. We really do want to make BeOS amazingly great. And, if nothing else, going through channels helps prevent easily excitable people like me from committing social gaffes.

My apologies,
Schwab

I am one of the few developers to actually ship a commercial application, Spellswell from Working Software. I've kept Spellswell actively maintained over a couple of years, it is now at version 1.0.5.

So I didn't appreciate it when Be announced it was dropping active support for the desktop and "refocusing" on Internet Appliances.

Now promoting the system for Internet appliances is fine, but Be had spent years promoting its system as a platform for multimedia content creation, and in my view it is the best platform for desktop software. Check out, for instance, Gobe Software's Gobe Productive, one of the best integrated applications available.

While Be still has a desktop operating system and gives it away for free, it has made it clear that there will be no further desktop-specific development for the operating system; if a feature or bug-fix makes it into the system it will be because it is needed for Internet Appliances, and not because it is needed for the desktop.

I repeatedly tried to bring this failure to live up to its commitments on bedevtalk and beusertalk and while other professional developers supported my position, I was constantly shot down by the hobbyists and Be's own employees.

Finally I tried to point out the error of their ways in some detail by posting this to bedevtalk:

Some of Use Work For a Living

in which I pointed out that the appropriate response to criticism from developers like me would be for Be employees who subscribe to the list to communicate our concerns to senior management.

How did Be respond?

Tom Maddox, listmaster@be.com, unsubscribed me and asked the list if they'd prefer to have the entire list moderated.

Before you decide to devote time and energy to developing BeOS software, I ask you to consider whether you wish to take the risk to invest your time and money in a system that is only available from a company that has not only proved it cannot keep its commitments, it has stated repeatedly it does not want its dishonesty pointed out to it and will actively work to censor those who would work to correct its behaviour.

One of the reasons I am working to reorient my consulting business to take primarily Linux work is that I feel it is a mistake for any third party software developer to depend on any API, particularly an operating system, that they do not have the source code to.

If you feel you must support a closed-source operating system or API, I urge you to require the API vendor to sign a contract guaranteeing they will support the API forever - both in terms of maintainence and marketing - or else they will reimburse you for your lost revenue and opportunity cost if they fail to live up to their commitments.

I had much the same experience with Apple Computer which is why I became a BeOS developer.

BTW - My fiance told me that being unsubscribed from bedevtalk is like being kicked off the design committee for the Edsel. It's a beautiful OS and the engineering quality is excellent, but the sales prevention team there, uh, I mean the management, is determined to do everything they can to prevent the business from succeeding.

Perhaps Internet Appliances are a good idea, but after the galling lack of marketing cluefulness shown when they were on the desktop I seriously doubt they can get it together to succeed in the Internet Appliance arena either.

If you are an Internet Appliance manufacturer, think about whether you want to make your livelihood dependent on a company with a proven track record of failing to live up to its commitments. Consider that in many was QNX is a better OS for appliance and you can get a developer kit for free.

I don't think Linux is a very good platform either for the desktop or Internet Appliances but because it is free software that problem is capable of being addressed.

Tilting at Windmills for a Better Tomorrow

I am one of the few developers to actually ship a commercial application, Spellswell from Working Software. I've kept Spellswell actively maintained over a couple of years, it is now at version 1.0.5.

So I didn't appreciate it when Be announced it was dropping active support for the desktop and "refocusing" on Internet Appliances.

Now promoting the system for Internet appliances is fine, but Be had spent years promoting its system as a platform for multimedia content creation, and in my view it is the best platform for desktop software. Check out, for instance, Gobe Software's Gobe Productive, one of the best integrated applications available.

While Be still has a desktop operating system and gives it away for free, it has made it clear that there will be no further desktop-specific development for the operating system; if a feature or bug-fix makes it into the system it will be because it is needed for Internet Appliances, and not because it is needed for the desktop.

I repeatedly tried to bring this failure to live up to its commitments on bedevtalk and beusertalk and while other professional developers supported my position, I was constantly shot down by the hobbyists and Be's own employees.

Finally I tried to point out the error of their ways in some detail by posting this to bedevtalk:

Some of Use Work For a Living

in which I pointed out that the appropriate response to criticism from developers like me would be for Be employees who subscribe to the list to communicate our concerns to senior management.

How did Be respond?

Tom Maddox, listmaster@be.com, unsubscribed me and asked the list if they'd prefer to have the entire list moderated.

Before you decide to devote time and energy to developing BeOS software, I ask you to consider whether you wish to take the risk to invest your time and money in a system that is only available from a company that has not only proved it cannot keep its commitments, it has stated repeatedly it does not want its dishonesty pointed out to it and will actively work to censor those who would work to correct its behaviour.

One of the reasons I am working to reorient my consulting business to take primarily Linux work is that I feel it is a mistake for any third party software developer to depend on any API, particularly an operating system, that they do not have the source code to.

If you feel you must support a closed-source operating system or API, I urge you to require the API vendor to sign a contract guaranteeing they will support the API forever - both in terms of maintainence and marketing - or else they will reimburse you for your lost revenue and opportunity cost if they fail to live up to their commitments.

I had much the same experience with Apple Computer which is why I became a BeOS developer.

BTW - My fiance told me that being unsubscribed from bedevtalk is like being kicked off the design committee for the Edsel. It's a beautiful OS and the engineering quality is excellent, but the sales prevention team there, uh, I mean the management, is determined to do everything they can to prevent the business from succeeding.

Perhaps Internet Appliances are a good idea, but after the galling lack of marketing cluefulness shown when they were on the desktop I seriously doubt they can get it together to succeed in the Internet Appliance arena either.

If you are an Internet Appliance manufacturer, think about whether you want to make your livelihood dependent on a company with a proven track record of failing to live up to its commitments. Consider that in many was QNX is a better OS for appliance and you can get a developer kit for free.

I don't think Linux is a very good platform either for the desktop or Internet Appliances but because it is free software that problem is capable of being addressed.

Tilting at Windmills for a Better Tomorrow

Could you please cite references when Microsoft "cheated" and fudged benchmarks? Of course, Be has never preannounced any products.

Of course, your credibility is only strengthened by using "Micros~1" and "Windoze".

With people like you at Be, and with those sort of attitudes, it's no wonder it's been such a failure (choose your measurement), and hasn't been able to capture any significant amount of the developer market. Who wants to work with a bunch of zealots who clearly can't see the industry with any sort of objectivity? Yes, the childish name-calling was a dead giveaway.

Thank you for confirming my suspicians regarding Be. What a great rep you are for your company.

--

i cannot believe such things exist in USA... In France it's even worst, they tape your interview on a video tape and someone analyze your hands position and things like this... in France they also use alot graphology, and lot of others scrap like numerology, astrology, etc
--
BeDevId 15453 - Download BeOS R5 Lite free!

I'm not saying that is what is on this new product but it could be very likely.

http://www.goingware.com/laptop

Note that the machine came with Windows 98 installed and doesn't support NT; NT was the most difficult installation and still doesn't work very well.

On the other hand I've been testing the 2.4.0-test1-ac* kernels every few days and generally they work pretty well. The only serious problem I had was that my Adaptec 1480 SlimSCSI card didn't work; that wasn't a problem with the laptop itself but some problem in the Linux PCI drivers as well as a temporary bug in the SCSI driver. Recent 2.4.0 kernel patches work great and I can burn CD's off my laptop through SCSI.

If you're considering buying a laptop, I encourage you to read my page on my laptop, as I think the information I give could improve the wisdom of your choice.

Generally I've been happy with how it works, but I'm afraid I'm not so happy with the mechanical design of the thing; there's a ribbon cable in the DVD drive that gets tangled when I close it if it's been opened too far, and the most serious problem right now is that the power adapter doesn't always make good contact so the battery drains even when it's plugged in. Sometimes if I leave the house with Linux running it will power down while I'm away. Note that I've only had the unit for 7 months; if they could have the same electrical design but built for more rugged use I think I'd be happy.

i've looked at love from both sides now. from win and lose, and still somehow...

• Aqua uses Touch panel and Stylus to be the input device for spontaneous Internet accessing.
  
• ...we can turn it to the backside and let Aqua stand firmly on the desk. How amazing it is!
  
• using Lithium battery to complete superior wireless Internet access out of question.
  

My personal favorite to go against Microsoft is Amiga Inc. which is developing some remarkable software together with the Tao Group !

But then there`s also QNX Neutrino which is more like the traditional OSes but with a solid clean structure. Outsiders like BeOS and MacOS X look less promising but have more potential than the current Microsoft monopoly. And finally Linux won`t become a truly better desktop OS, but it will survive as it`s free and has it`s useful for being a good server or development tool.

What`s view upon for the future?

I've seen a few comments that link this interview with BeOS. As far as I can tell from a cursory look at the homepage BeOpen has nothing to do with BeOS. They just have similar names.
Recall from an earlier slashdot article that BeOpen is the place that the python folks moved to.
Hope this clears up the confusion I had when I first saw the story and thought "What's Hans Reiser have to do with BeOS?"

This is done in the BFS filesystem which is part of the BeOS, which you can download here. The "People" address book database in the BeOS is entirely implemented in the filesystem.

The structure and implementation of the filesystem are described in detail by Dominic Giampolo in Practical File System Design with the Be File System, ISBN 1558604979.

I use the BFS in my applications I write for the BeOS - not just to store files, but I specifically use its indexed attributes for fast keyword searching in Word Services for the BeOS and I think it's the best thing since sliced bread.

While Be's implementation of the BFS is proprietary, there is a GPL'ed read-only Linux implementation of it available here

Daniel Berlin, a BeOS developer who also programs on Linux, has provided an update that works with the 2.4 kernel

I don't think the attributes are available from Linux in the Linux version of the BFS, but they could be and to do so I think would be a significant addition to the OS.

Mike

Tilting at Windmills for a Better Tomorrow

Consider this simple principle of UI design I try to use: when a window or dialog opens, the user should be able to just start typing without having to click anywhere. This is for the case where there is some normal common choice for the normal place you'd want to start typing - but in many linux apps, there is no text entry selected anywhere when a window opens.

If you want to see nice UI look and feel, don't look to windows, don't look to mac, look to the BeOS. If Linux had the integration and ease of installation of the BeOS it would crush Microsoft and Bill Gates would be licking the penguin poo from Linus' bootheels.

• Completely GUI configuration, no scripts or text files to edit
• Use ISP/hosting service mail servers simply by entering POP and SMTP servers in the preferences
• critically importanthandle multiple email accounts from multiple servers and domains
• Be able to switch email accounts without quitting the program. Eudora for windows or mac can use multiple accounts but you have to quit and start it up with a different config file
• Able to select the "From:" address with a popup menu (and have the right SMTP server used)? This is particularly important to be able to do in replies when I want to reply from a different address than it was sent to
• No configuration of sendmail or any other mail software on my linux box required.
• Arbitrary and unlimited numbers of mail filters, that sort into:
• Unlimited numbers of mailboxes
• Scales to handle tens of thousand of letters in a mailbox, with the ability to search various ways (both in headers and body text) and to sort by header fields

KMail with KDE lets you use POP and SMTP providers but only works with one account.

If anyone knows of a good mail client that will serve my needs as described on Linux I will gladly switch.

basiccaly, you can get a something like 4.7Gb DVD recompressed in MP4 in 650Mb so you can burn it on a CD, which is great!
--
BeDevId 15453 - Download BeOS R5 Lite free!

you can use DeCSS to copy a DVD on your HD, then use some coder and DivX ti transform the DVD file into an MP4 one, check DivX site, and take also FlaskMpeg, and VirtualDUB
--
BeDevId 15453 - Download BeOS R5 Lite free!

there's at least 3 episodes, very very cool, maybe 18 rating because of violence/sexe, but this is the best i have seen.
--
BeDevId 15453 - Download BeOS R5 Lite free!

in Canada the big file is destoyed (maybe they made a backup?), now ask FBI to do the same things on their x-files that "does not exist" on 300 millions people, and you'll see...
--
BeDevId 15453 - Download BeOS R5 Lite free!

Apple had always promoted the use of its new "Apple Event" technology by giving spellcheckers as an example; instead of propriety OEM spellcheckers that are different for every application, the user could have a single speller that is shared among all their applications. Since Working Software published Spellswell we felt we should take the lead in this.

It works really well and in fact can be used for any text operation, such as grammar checkers, address books, HTML verification and the like. Text encryption would work fine and I was working on a text encryptor but never finished it. I since led the binding of it to the BeOS (where is uses BMessages instead of Apple events) which you can read about here and I'd like to make an XWindows version, perhaps using the Corba API's provided by Gnome.

Recently I was contacted by someone who was searching for prior art. It seems someone patented interapplication spellchecking protocols and he has the hope that Word Services was developed early enough to invalidate that patent. I don't know the patent in question or who holds the patent.

What I especially have a gripe about is that I only started working on this method because the idea of it had been promoted for several years by Apple as an obvious application of a new technology they were promoting.

Mike

• From my experience, using so-called "beginner" languages like LOGO and BASIC was a waste of time. I found 300+ line BASIC listings impossible to read, and quickly lost patience with making the turtle run around in circles. It wasn't until I got to college and got to play with C and Lisp that I felt that I could really grok the code and do something useful with it. Although I think VB and OO-LOGO are probably much easier to deal with, I still have to get over that initial revulsion before I get anywhere near them.
• Although it's a snap to get started in LISP, and I love the language personally, LISP becomes subtle and arcane quite quickly, at least in my experience with Commmon LISP (Scheme is, I'm sure, much easier). For example, try explaining how defmacro works to a kid, and see how far you get! C++ has the same problem when you start talking about copy constructors vs. assignment operators, templates, and multiple inheritance. It's not that a child couldn't get good mileage out of these languages, but I think they pose very challenging problems to the instructor, to make sure that the student don't get bogged down with tricky features in the beginning.
• I think one of the most important things to consider is not the language, but the libraries and code that you can build upon. I would get pretty bored if I had to go through a year of implementing data structures, graphics libraries, and regexp matching algorithms before I could do anything with the language. And the learning scale on some existing libraries is absolutely daunting. So, for example, I wouldn't sic a kid on the Win32 C API, or start them off with the standard C/C++ library either.
• Find out something your child would like to learn how to create (this could be a game, a mathematical exercise, or whatever), and tailor your choice of language and environment to help them accomplish that goal. It will be much more relevant to them, and will hopefully teach them lots of stuff that relates to the field they're playing with in the process (digital a/v, graphics, server issues, etc.)
• Consider BeOS as a beginning programming environment. It's quite simple to learn how to program, there's relatively little legacy in the form of mysterious incantations, there's lots of sample code and libraries, you're using real pro-powered tools, and it's a blast to use.

i have learned BASIC at 12 yo on a Sinclair ZX81, with the bundled manual, i never bought or use other books about BASIC. After i have continued BASIC on my Amstrad CPC6128, then started assembler (z80) using books of course. I had chance my Amstrad was running CPM+ (3.0) so i could use DBaseII and TurboPascal3, this is where i started to program in Pascal. When i had my PC is continued Pascal (tools were the same), then C and x86 asm, then Eiffel, then prolog, then then then...
anyway to start, BASIC is the best, there's QBASIC.EXE on each win95/98 CDROM (maybe not 98SE i don't know?) in OLDMSDOS folder somewhere, with help.
--
BeDevId 15453 - Download BeOS R5 Lite free!

I have one word for you:

BeOS

I have one URL for you:
www.be.com

take the number 12345679 (there's no 8)
multiply by a number that the sum is 9 and see:
12345679 x 09 = 111111111
12345679 x 18 = 222222222
12345679 x 27 = 333333333
12345679 x 36 = 444444444
12345679 x 45 = 555555555
12345679 x 54 = 666666666
12345679 x 63 = 777777777
12345679 x 72 = 888888888
12345679 x 81 = 999999999

who discovered that? is there a name to this thing? do you know any others funny values that make the same thing? is there anything to proved in that?
--
BeDevId 15453 - Download BeOS R5 Lite free!

Quote:
It's time for a NG system. Imagine an OS with O-O dlls from the ground up, an OS that actually has a built in GUI. That's the real future

I don't imagine, I use it. BeOS

David.

I realized about 2ns after posting this how much flack I'd get for omitting the even more obvious choice. So, obligatorily, here goes:

Wouldn't it now?

:)

--

Don't forget the underdog!

Wouldn't it now?

And since we're proponents of choice...

Yes, it would!

Hmm... that means there are 4 Amiga-Like systems available today - two closed source and 2 open source:

Closed source:

AmigaOS itself: closed source operating system, now severely outdated, but groundbreaking for its time - soon to be replaced by a completely different OS from Tao, which is rather cool in itself, being a VM a bit like a Java VM, but without the language dependency (it includes a gcc/g++ port...)

BeOS - what most people think of as the AmigaOS done right. While it has been market mostly to Mac-like media people, in fact it attracted a load of ex-amiga people, particularly developers too. It's OS structure is undeniably similar to a refined AmigaOS.

Open Source:

AROS, the Amiga Research OS. An Open-source clone of Amiga OS 3.x, ported to architectures including x86. Many Amiga os-legal apps work with just a recompile. Not finished. Work progressing slowly due to legal complications - the OS depends on Amiga-copyrighted system include files and infringes on several Amiga patents. However, the current amiga intellectual property owners seem to look quite favourably upon AROS, and it looks increasingly likely it will get their blessing, since the Amiga is now going to be based on a completely different OS from Tao, and does not use any old AmigaOS code, so AROS is a good option for keeping the "classic" amiga alive and up-to-date. There's already Quake and Doom ports, so they've got the important stuff going. :-)

Atheos The new kid, the subject of this discussion. People have noted its UI similarity to the AmigaOS UI already on this thread, but architecturally it is also very similar to AmigaOS and BeOS. But it's open source, unlike AmigaOS and BeOS.

just imagine...

BeOS vs. DOS 2.1

Let's see... both have CLIs, both run on intel chips, uhh... they both can boot from a floppy. Sure - let's do a death-match

Installation:

• DOS 2.1 - no install, just boot from floppy
• BeOS - quick, intelligent install, though can also boot from floppy
• Tie

• DOS - CLI with a limited set of commands
• BeOS - purty GUI with POSIX-compliant CLI
• winner: BeOS

• DOS - Lotus 1-2-3, and IBM Write
• BeOS - many, many found on http://www.be.com/software/ including Quake II.
• winner: BeOS

• DOS - need really old machine, probably 8086 >= x >= 386
• BeOS - need rather new machine, pentium class and higher
• tie - BeOS requires expensive equipment, whereas DOS restricts me to only using shit I should have recycled ages ago.

• DOS - I once used my 9600 baud modem to gain a telnet connection, where I could surf the web using lynx.
• BeOS - native TCP/IP
• winner: BeOS

• DOS - I never saw it crash
• BeOS - I never saw it crash
• tie

• DOS - (originally bundled with $5000 piece of hardware) currently - $.25 at local garage sale
• BeOS - (originally $100) currently - free Lite version, full version is $69.95
• tie

Come back next week when we pit the Palm OS vs. Irix

Your first goal, on the other hand, sounds familiar...it's my goal too.

monthy python nostalgia:

"Im not dead yet"

What is the air speed velocity of a pigeon?
African or European?
I dont know that... Aaaaagh!!!

"That's what I never understood about BeOS, charging $100 for an OS that you can't really use for anything 'cept browsing the web to see if anything *really* useful has come out yet!"

...but you don't HAVE to pay for BeOS. You can get the fully operable BeOS R5 for download at free.be.com. You can easily circumvent the artificial partition limits by using instructions at BeNews.

according to bedope, nothing spectacular in MacOSX, the feature they show are in BeOS for almost 10 years!!! go to bedope to read the report :o)
--
BeDevId 15453 - Download BeOS R5 Lite free!

If I may quote my favorite CEO: "Pursuing the biological simile, observers pointed out another problem caused by Microsoft's monopoly: the lack of genetic diversity in the PC ecosystem. Because PCs and their software are too similar, one noxious automaton can do much more damage than would occur if we had several alternative life forms.
This argument deserves closer examination. True, BeOS, MacOS, and Linux users were not infected by the Love virus. Had each system had 25% market share, a single virus could only infect 25% of the population."
The ILOVEYOU virus is kindergarden stuff compared to what a real programmer could really do if he/she put their mind to it, but since experienced programmers are (most of the time) fairly matured individuals, but it would only take one fairly good hacker to release a plague on the world...

If I may quote my favorite CEO: "Pursuing the biological simile, observers pointed out another problem caused by Microsoft's monopoly: the lack of genetic diversity in the PC ecosystem. Because PCs and their software are too similar, one noxious automaton can do much more damage than would occur if we had several alternative life forms.
This argument deserves closer examination. True, BeOS, MacOS, and Linux users were not infected by the Love virus. Had each system had 25% market share, a single virus could only infect 25% of the population."
The ILOVEYOU virus is kindergarden stuff compared to what a real programmer could really do if he/she put their mind to it, but since experienced programmers are (most of the time) fairly matured individuals, but it would only take one fairly good hacker to release a plague on the world...

the guy in philipines that have been arrested because of the ILOVEYOU virus said that MS should be investigated because it's their fault if there's virus 'cause MS apps are too buggy.
--
BeDevId 15453 - Download BeOS R5 Lite free!

Only the free version doesn't run on a PowerPC.

Be also offers PowerPC support for their BeIA internet appliance platform, which is rather intelligent considering that a powerpc is a much better choice for an embedded platform like an internet appliance (consumes less power).

See the bottom of BeIA Introduction at the bottom under hardware requirements where is says:

Processors: x86 (Pentium class or better), PowerPC (all)

for the article in french langage, just click here
--
BeDevId 15453 - Download BeOS R5 Lite free!

his site is ugly, hard to read, and i cannot believe he made it by "hand"?!? I made my website early 1997, 100% by hand, and i think it looks better than him! Also i'm reformating mine to display well in Netpositive and Voyager. I use W3C recommandations and that's all.
--
BeDevId 15453 - Download BeOS R5 Lite free!

BeOS use OpenGL as 3D API, Quake1, 2, 3 are running, and maybe a UT in closed beta. There's also QNX/NTO that claims they will release UT for their free platform Neutrino.
--
BeDevId 15453 - Download BeOS R5 Lite free!

i tried it on my win95 machine, it works... i'll try on BeOS and QNX... the script test if you have IE, so i cannot test it with BeOS/QNX, shit!
--
BeDevId 15453 - Download BeOS R5 Lite free!