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Because you can google from bing.

Apparently Microsoft also hates themselves: Bing-ing for "why does pepsi suck?" (sans quotes) gives an article titled "Why exactly does Vista suck so much?" as its FIRST hit:

http://www.bing.com/search?q=why+does+pepsi+suck%3F&go=&form=QBLH&qs=n

Split personality, anyone?

For bashing Windows while they are lauding Macs.

When you title your article/web page/blog post etc. "Macs don't cure cancer but..." and then you start your text with a tirade about how much you hate M$ and Windblows and how MS$Office has killed your dog and raped your grandmother - don't be surprised when your page comes up when someone enters a search string along the lines of "Windows causes cancer" or "Why I hate Macs" or "My dog killed my grandmother in my office by the window".

From the "Why are Mac's So Expensive?" Yahoo! Answers topic:

Why are Mac's So Expensive?
I am well and truely fed up with Windows and Microsofts global domiantion plans and want to return to mac (I had one years ago before replacing with a PC), but I have been having a look around and even 2nd hand ones are really expensive? If Apple want to cut Microsoft down, they should lower their costs?

        * 3 years ago

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Rawlyn, I've tried using Linux - you seem to need to know how to make it do things - it is a bit complex for a computer stupid like me! If it had some kind of standard iterface it would be easier to understand.

See what I mean?

And does anyone even remember that Google gives you more popular choices to your search string first, after a while?
So, after a while, you are bound to get more accurate results - along with the simple search string results. Like the ones Bing gives you.
The one that is tainting the results is Google.
They do it to give you the more popular results, as they are bound to be more accurate - but they ARE fiddling with the simple search string results.
Putting the search string in quotes fixes that on both Bing and Google.
No mention of Macs now.

But hey... Don't let logic come in the way of M$ bashing.

On the other hand, they don't tamper with all searches....

http://www.bing.com/search?q=why+does+microsoft+suck%3F&go=&form=QBRE&filt=all&qs=n

As of now, the fourth result is a link back to this slashdot article.
I'm not sure it's intentional to taint the results at all and certainly not in this way, but it is funny!

Plain for all to see!

http://www.bing.com/search?q=why+are+macs+so+great&go=&form=QBRE&qs=n

... they're not as obvious going about it as they were in the past.

Those search queries are stupid, they would obviously come up with bad searches. The "google" is evil thing came up in a news result along with a bunch of OTHER unrelated news results. I just did the same search on google using news results from the past week and got "is apple evil" as a result http://news.google.com/news?um=1&ned=us&hl=en&q=is+microsoft+evil%3F&cf=all&as_qdr=w&as_drrb=q More sane searches reveal more sane results microsoft office expensive and http://www.bing.com/search?q=microsoft+evil&go=&form=QBLH&qs=n.

I mean shit, we don't need to make things up to not like microsoft. Just use the stupid garbage they've ALREADY done.

Those search queries are stupid, they would obviously come up with bad searches. The "google" is evil thing came up in a news result along with a bunch of OTHER unrelated news results. I just did the same search on google using news results from the past week and got "is apple evil" as a result http://news.google.com/news?um=1&ned=us&hl=en&q=is+microsoft+evil%3F&cf=all&as_qdr=w&as_drrb=q More sane searches reveal more sane results microsoft office expensive and http://www.bing.com/search?q=microsoft+evil&go=&form=QBLH&qs=n.

I mean shit, we don't need to make things up to not like microsoft. Just use the stupid garbage they've ALREADY done.

So I just searched for Why is Microsoft Windows so expensive?.

Yes, the first result is Why are Mac's So Expensive?, BUT reading the actual text of the first 4 hits displayed on the Bing page, it goes like this:

Why are Mac's So Expensive? - Yahoo! Answers
Why are Mac's So Expensive? ... Linux is free, and arguably better than both Windows and Macs. Both Apple and Microsoft are ...

Is Windows getting more expensive? - CNET News
More headlines related to "why is microsoft windows so expensive": ... products, yet it is evil for Microsoft to have created Microsoft Windows, a ...

Tech-no-media: Microsoft reminds us that Windows is f*cking expensive
41 Responses to "Microsoft reminds us that Windows is f*cking expensive": ... Mobile Bandwidth: why it is so expensive; Hulu's lack of international ...

Why Windows 7 on Netbooks Won't Save Microsoft - RoughlyDrafted
more expensive Edition of Windows Vista/7). That didnâ(TM)t work in the 90s for Microsoft ... Why Windows 7 on Netbooks Wonâ(TM)t Save Microsoft ... So after windows ME, Microsoft did a ...

So, if you look more closely, those results are actually pretty devastating to Windows. I don't think there's an actual bias here, just poor phrase parsing technology at work.

Seems to me that's what happened as well. Try this search string that more people WOULD use in bing: http://www.bing.com/search?q=windows+expensive&go=&form=QBLH&qs=n

And even funnier - search for "Why is Microsoft Windows so expensive?" and the fifth result is a slashdot article entitled: "Why is OSS Commercial Software So Expensive?"!

If you leave out the word "Microsoft" from that search the top ten list includes five criticisms of Macs being expensive, one complaint about vinyl windows being expensive, some griping about windows hosting providers, games and OSS products being expensive and finally my favorite: "Why fish is so expensive!".

Heck, try a comparison for Red Hat between Bing [bing.com] and Google [google.com]. You'd think that the Red Hat Society had their own linux distribution targeted a little old ladies... At least there's a little more reference to Linux now than last time I checked a month or so ago...

Furthermore, the top result for "Why are BMWs so expensive?" is an article called "Why is Gas So Expensive?"

"Why are Porshes so expensive?" turns up a relevant top result, followed by "Why is wedding photography so expensive?"

"Why are Aston Martins so expensive?" turns up relevant second and third results followed by none other than "Why are Mac's So Expensive?"

Turns out, searching for "Why is ... so expensive?" turns up a lot of questions about gas prices, one about textbooks, and one about Macs. I can't say I've never asked myself about any of those questions before. I suppose Windows is expensive, but I really haven't ever thought about it since it has only ever come pre-installed on one laptop I bought. The expensive of Windows just isn't something that keeps a lot of people up at night.

Search algorithms aren't perfect. The Mac article had all the relevant keywords and not many relevant results to that query even exist. So, nice sensationalist, biased, non-researched reporting there, Slashdot.

Furthermore, the top result for "Why are BMWs so expensive?" is an article called "Why is Gas So Expensive?"

"Why are Porshes so expensive?" turns up a relevant top result, followed by "Why is wedding photography so expensive?"

"Why are Aston Martins so expensive?" turns up relevant second and third results followed by none other than "Why are Mac's So Expensive?"

Turns out, searching for "Why is ... so expensive?" turns up a lot of questions about gas prices, one about textbooks, and one about Macs. I can't say I've never asked myself about any of those questions before. I suppose Windows is expensive, but I really haven't ever thought about it since it has only ever come pre-installed on one laptop I bought. The expensive of Windows just isn't something that keeps a lot of people up at night.

Search algorithms aren't perfect. The Mac article had all the relevant keywords and not many relevant results to that query even exist. So, nice sensationalist, biased, non-researched reporting there, Slashdot.

Furthermore, the top result for "Why are BMWs so expensive?" is an article called "Why is Gas So Expensive?"

"Why are Porshes so expensive?" turns up a relevant top result, followed by "Why is wedding photography so expensive?"

"Why are Aston Martins so expensive?" turns up relevant second and third results followed by none other than "Why are Mac's So Expensive?"

Turns out, searching for "Why is ... so expensive?" turns up a lot of questions about gas prices, one about textbooks, and one about Macs. I can't say I've never asked myself about any of those questions before. I suppose Windows is expensive, but I really haven't ever thought about it since it has only ever come pre-installed on one laptop I bought. The expensive of Windows just isn't something that keeps a lot of people up at night.

Search algorithms aren't perfect. The Mac article had all the relevant keywords and not many relevant results to that query even exist. So, nice sensationalist, biased, non-researched reporting there, Slashdot.

Furthermore, the top result for "Why are BMWs so expensive?" is an article called "Why is Gas So Expensive?"

"Why are Porshes so expensive?" turns up a relevant top result, followed by "Why is wedding photography so expensive?"

"Why are Aston Martins so expensive?" turns up relevant second and third results followed by none other than "Why are Mac's So Expensive?"

Turns out, searching for "Why is ... so expensive?" turns up a lot of questions about gas prices, one about textbooks, and one about Macs. I can't say I've never asked myself about any of those questions before. I suppose Windows is expensive, but I really haven't ever thought about it since it has only ever come pre-installed on one laptop I bought. The expensive of Windows just isn't something that keeps a lot of people up at night.

Search algorithms aren't perfect. The Mac article had all the relevant keywords and not many relevant results to that query even exist. So, nice sensationalist, biased, non-researched reporting there, Slashdot.

And even funnier - search for "Why is Microsoft Windows so expensive?" and the fifth result is a slashdot article entitled: "Why is OSS Commercial Software So Expensive?"!

Try this : why are macs so awesome?

Top 2:

ALL RESULTS
1-9 of 1,370,000 resultsÂ

        1) Why Macs Suck - Funny videos

          2) Why are Macs so crap at gaming?

by searching the terms why does Microsoft suck. it doesn't seem to be pro Microsoft propaganda. http://www.bing.com/search?q=why+does+microsoft+suck&go=&form=QBLH&qs=n

"Surprised, why?"

Because it leads to distrust. Distrust leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering. I sense much distrust in you.

But seriously, it's not just the first link, the entire page is links to articles of why Macs are so expensive. Do that in google and you get Why Windows Vista and Office 2007 are so Expensive. And you could argue "Yeah but a Microsoft search engine is not going to say their own software is expensive", but if you google why does google suck and you get whydoesgooglesuck.com.

Might be just a fluke though, binging (is that a word yet? "Binging"?) Why does Vista suck and you get lots of great articles, but then a search of why does Windows 7 suck and you get nothing relevant compared to the google search that has 7 things we hate about Windows 7 as the first link.

Grow up Microsoft. If you don't give me the info I want I'll go somewhere else.

"Surprised, why?"

Because it leads to distrust. Distrust leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering. I sense much distrust in you.

But seriously, it's not just the first link, the entire page is links to articles of why Macs are so expensive. Do that in google and you get Why Windows Vista and Office 2007 are so Expensive. And you could argue "Yeah but a Microsoft search engine is not going to say their own software is expensive", but if you google why does google suck and you get whydoesgooglesuck.com.

Might be just a fluke though, binging (is that a word yet? "Binging"?) Why does Vista suck and you get lots of great articles, but then a search of why does Windows 7 suck and you get nothing relevant compared to the google search that has 7 things we hate about Windows 7 as the first link.

Grow up Microsoft. If you don't give me the info I want I'll go somewhere else.

It is worth trying it for yourself:

http://www.cuil.com/search?q=Why+is+Windows+so+expensive%3F

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Why+is+Windows+so+expensive%3F

http://www.bing.com/search?q=Why+is+Windows+so+expensive%3F

http://us.ask.com/web?q=Why+is+Windows+so+expensive%3F

http://www.cuil.com/search?q=Why+is+Windows+so+expensive%3F

http://www.altavista.com/web/results?itag=ody&q=Why+is+Windows+so+expensive%3F&kgs=1&kls=0

I guess there is no conspiracy at all, just different weights in the ordering algorithm... but hey, it is a cool experiment... unless maybe they are also colluding with CocaCola

http://www.altavista.com/web/results?itag=ody&q=why+does+pepsi+sucks%3F&kgs=1&kls=0
http://www.bing.com/search?q=why+does+pepsi+sucks%3F&go=&form=QBLH&qs=n

http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=why+does+pepsi+sucks%3F&aq=f&oq=&aqi=&fp=CSrKZrhT3_U

It is worth trying it for yourself:

http://www.cuil.com/search?q=Why+is+Windows+so+expensive%3F

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Why+is+Windows+so+expensive%3F

http://www.bing.com/search?q=Why+is+Windows+so+expensive%3F

http://us.ask.com/web?q=Why+is+Windows+so+expensive%3F

http://www.cuil.com/search?q=Why+is+Windows+so+expensive%3F

http://www.altavista.com/web/results?itag=ody&q=Why+is+Windows+so+expensive%3F&kgs=1&kls=0

I guess there is no conspiracy at all, just different weights in the ordering algorithm... but hey, it is a cool experiment... unless maybe they are also colluding with CocaCola

http://www.altavista.com/web/results?itag=ody&q=why+does+pepsi+sucks%3F&kgs=1&kls=0
http://www.bing.com/search?q=why+does+pepsi+sucks%3F&go=&form=QBLH&qs=n

http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=why+does+pepsi+sucks%3F&aq=f&oq=&aqi=&fp=CSrKZrhT3_U

Typed in "why are microsoft products insecure?". 3rd hit: "Why use open source when Microsoft products are so inexpensive?"! Also why mac books are so expensive. and it gets worse after that.

At least "Who is more evil than Satan himself" search provides accurate and timely information.

And even funnier - search for "Why is Microsoft Windows so expensive?" and the fifth result is a slashdot article entitled: "Why is OSS Commercial Software So Expensive?"!

This whole topic is a troll. Look, Xboxen are expensive, Microsoft Windows is f*cking expensive, and apparently, Microsoft sucks. I rest my case.

This whole topic is a troll. Look, Xboxen are expensive, Microsoft Windows is f*cking expensive, and apparently, Microsoft sucks. I rest my case.

This whole topic is a troll. Look, Xboxen are expensive, Microsoft Windows is f*cking expensive, and apparently, Microsoft sucks. I rest my case.

Anyone expecting games (not counting little cellphone suitable stuff) to EVER be released as managed code will grow old and die waiting.

Games on .NET? Let me Bing that for you.

It might also be, that the company has already made some money from RIAA, MPAA and/or M$.

Who would most like to get P2P off the web? The first two, because they perceive it as a threat.

Who creates a virtual-monopoly desktop OS that has ridiculous vulnerabilities they don't like to address? The last one.

Besides, it is well within feasibility, that Micro$oft execs think P2P is responsible for a big chunk of the (albeit slowly) growing popularity of Linux. I mean, they hired Seinfeld as their spokesman, and then launched a funny service called "Bing". These are guys, who live in late 1980s or early 1990s and think they just nailed two of the biggest hit shows on air.

Conjecture, I admit. All of the above, except the bit about RIAA and MPAA wanting P2P off the web, the monopoly desktop OS, ridiculous vulnerabilities someone does not like to address, Seinfeld deal or... Bing, was it?

Bada-Bing! Hahahahaha....

What did YOU do to my post? Or maybe I forgot to add h t t p : / / and /. fixed it for me.
should have been:
http://google.com/m
http://m.bing.com/
http://m.yahoo.com/

Maybe they can use the real world data to fix this issue

http://www.bing.com/search?q=why+is+microsoft+word+so+expensive&form=QBLH&qs=n
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=why+is+microsoft+word+so+expensive&aq=f&oq=&aqi=g1

Flooded with blog articles about the same query now, and yes, it looks like there's probably a technological reason (or at least viable excuse) for it, but it still seems pretty shady to me.

Can someone tell me how this higher click-through is some sort of a discovery? Bing integrates the ads into the search results. That is why it is smarter to use google - at least with google you can opt not to click on the ad.

Show me where the ad is. What? You can't tell? Me either - so don't use Bing.

What are you talking about? The ads and distinction made (background colour, "sponsored links", top and right) is damn near identical to similar search on Google. Are you talking about the "shop for" extra feature? That is not ads, but a (very useful) integrated shopping search result (similar to going to Google Product Search). Having additional levels of search functionality integrated in the answers like this for some verticals (shopping, travel, etc.) is one of the ways Bing try to differentiate from Google (together with the left column drill-down functionality, which I'm starting to like more and more after trying it).

Can someone tell me how this higher click-through is some sort of a discovery? Bing integrates the ads into the search results. That is why it is smarter to use google - at least with google you can opt not to click on the ad.

Show me where the ad is. What? You can't tell? Me either - so don't use Bing.

http://www.bing.com/search?q=false+fox+news+story&go=&form=QBLH&qs=n http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&channel=s&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=cZC&q=false+Fox+News+Story&btnG=Search&aq=f&oq=&aqi=

bing.com?

http://www.bing.com/ Use it, live it, love it. Bing! For all your searching needs.

Bing, bing, bing! We have a winner!

https://cashbackaccount.bing.com/cashback/welcome.aspx

http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=queltor&aq=f&oq=&aqi=&fp=i7xqt1XgzY0

http://www.bing.com/search?q=queltor&go=&form=QBLH&qs=n

Find the cure a Bing.com.

Your post is the second link on the resuls page :)

This makes me wonder, 1. Isn't "An absolute must-have" kind of the point of creating, promoting, and maintaining anything in a modern economy, and 2. SO WHAT?!?! Google, while a gargantuan entity in the Search and On-Line AD world, doesn't employ tactics that scream anti-trust to me just see http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=yahoo&aq=f&oq=&aqi=g10, I mean they link to their competitor's very prominently in their own search terms. Do you picture Mircosoft linking to Apple? Probably not.

Could have fooled me.
http://www.bing.com/search?q=apple&go=&form=QBLH

I agree about the innovation stifling though.

Bing!

Glau
Portman
Geller

And the lameness filter says I have too few characters per line! Go Taco, go!

Bing!

Glau
Portman
Geller

And the lameness filter says I have too few characters per line! Go Taco, go!

Bing!

Glau
Portman
Geller

And the lameness filter says I have too few characters per line! Go Taco, go!

An exception (there are certainly more): binge -> binging (though bingeing is also acceptable in some dictionaries.)

So what's the gerund form of the verb "bing" (to look up on bing)?

That really is quite sad.
http://www.bing.com/search?q=3%2C300+square+kilometers+in+square+miles (1,274)
does not equal
http://www.bing.com/search?q=3%2C300+kilometers+in+miles (2,050)

Yeah, yeah, Google Did It First. Just wanted to see if Bing would do it too.

That really is quite sad.
http://www.bing.com/search?q=3%2C300+square+kilometers+in+square+miles (1,274)
does not equal
http://www.bing.com/search?q=3%2C300+kilometers+in+miles (2,050)

Yeah, yeah, Google Did It First. Just wanted to see if Bing would do it too.