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Re:Short range
Quite true... and it probably is, but they're obviously keeping some headroom in the standard for future versions.
Also it's the old situation where something is technically possible, however it would be too expensive to produce on scale at the moment, and the fact it would cannibalize your upgrade revenue.
802.11b is actually capable of 22mbps with an enhanced encoding scheme, it still uses the current 2.4ghz spectrum and with the same powerlevels. Watch out for 802.11g later on this year for 22mbps over 2.4ghz.
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Very interesting
Less than 3 weeks ago HP cancelled the Xpander that ran WinCE. Linux is popular in the HP handheld user community, so if they put a good interface on it, it could be a big hit. PalmOS if combined with a thorough emulation of classic RPN calculators, programmable preferred, could be pretty neat. None of the RPN calculator software packages out there have got it right yet, as far as I can tell. They either screw up stack lift enable/disable, have missing functions or misguided layouts, or aren't programmable. I'd like to set aside my HP-41/42/48 or whatever and use one machine. Let's hope HP gets it right this time. If it runs Linux I've got my credit card ready.
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Re:Hardly any details
Sure.
www.php.net/manual. The manual is great. You can learn everything you need to know about specific things from there. Before that, you need a basic tutorial.
A PHP page looks like this:
<html>
<title>Hello</title>
<form action=<?php print $PHP_SELF; ?>
<input name=message>
<input type=submit>
</form>
<?php
print $message;
?>
Try that. Also, to get hold of PHP, use PHP Triad (on Linux, you can probably install it from your distribution CD), a win32 installer of PHP, Apache and MySQL.
Basically:
PHP is HTML with the code embedded between blocks starting
<?php
and ending
?>
within that you put your PHP code.
For example:
<?php
print "hello";
?>
would display hello - just like perl.
Similarly, as in Perl, variables are preceded by $.
So:
<?php
$message="chese";
print "I like $message";
?>
It's convenient - all form variables get put into variables of the same name:
<form action=apage.php>
<input name=thing>
<input type=submit name=action value=Submit>
</form>
would send apage.php two variables - $action='Submit'; and $thing= whatever you typed in there.
You should investigate PHP's object-orientation functions too. Here's an example class [class omitted due to slashdot's lameness filter
Anyway, start here; read here for more, as well as here. Also subscribe to the mailing list at php-general@lists.php.net for help from others.
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IBM has a higher-resolution screen
IBM's T210, supposedly shipping in May, is 20.8 inches and 2058 x 1536, for about $6000. It's mentioned in this article: http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-201-4963181-0.ht
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Re:I think MS has been the victim of hypocrisy.
Recently Microsoft has been claiming that the Judge was biased during the trial, because afterwards he said a few choice words about the company.
As someone pointed out, even afterwards he's not supposed to comment on the case as long as it is in appeals, but the fact of the matter was he made those comments before his trial was over.
Here's a snippet from this article over at news.com:
The judges were especially concerned that Jackson made statements during the trial but asked reporters not to print the quotes until after the case's conclusion.
"His embargo makes his comments worse," Randolf said. If the comments were released during trial, "he would have been off this case in a minute."
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Re:For starters netscape isn't a symptom
Is there anybody left who still believes that the US Judiciary is unbiased? Honestly, the question we need to evaluate is whether they are fair and reasonable. Regrettably, with issues such as DeCSS, the Judiciary seems to weigh in more and more often with the side with the most money. And, unfortunately, since the Supremes aren't answerable to anybody and can't be impeached, we don't have any real way of limiting outrageous judicial conduct.
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Bad RAM: Mr. Perens is with HPMr. Perens is working with HP to advance Free Software. Since HP is not part of the 4C Entity, it may be easier to get him onto T13.
Sorry about the mis-statement.
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explore within this space, for bigger ads
big 'click me ads' taking up space on a web page are an awful idea but 'explore within this space' is actually an idea that's quite useful. But few are using it the right way yet. It's most often being used as a multi-page ad. Sooner or later the halfway interested viewer will click the wrong thing and a new window unexpectedly appears or the hooked viewer gets tired of the clicking the ad without getting to the real page. It needs to be made a browser window within the browser and have an 'open in new window' or 'ok I'm hooked show me the page' so the viewer has the choice.
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Re:Seems logical but its not easy to ignore ads
It's actually pretty hard to ignore some of the new types of ads that were mentioned in the article. For instance, I was reading this article on CNet, and when i first loaded the page, that ad was right in the middle of the content, and it is so huge that you can't ignore it.
I just checked, and all cnet stories have the same kind of huge ad right in the middle of the page. they are little flash applets with active content in them. If you look at this one the first thing that you see is a freakin' oracle add bogarting the window space.
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Re:Seems logical but its not easy to ignore ads
It's actually pretty hard to ignore some of the new types of ads that were mentioned in the article. For instance, I was reading this article on CNet, and when i first loaded the page, that ad was right in the middle of the content, and it is so huge that you can't ignore it.
I just checked, and all cnet stories have the same kind of huge ad right in the middle of the page. they are little flash applets with active content in them. If you look at this one the first thing that you see is a freakin' oracle add bogarting the window space.
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Re:I have had a fearful thought....The alleged "war" between the two projects seems to be mostly fictional to me.
Except that de Icaza has gone on record saying that he thinks KDE'rs should switch to Gnome and he recognizes that "the two desktops are competing." Okay, that's not exactly a "war," but I'd interpret the entirety of the statements in his interview as being slanted against KDE. If not a battle of words, then maybe a skirmish.
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cnet uses huge Flash ads already
banner ad hell: http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-4950711.html
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cnet's ads are so big, IE slows to a crawl as it attempts to repaint the huge Flash ad. Try scrolling down the page. ouch.. -
Re:Seems logical to me.Yes, I like Flash ads. At work I use IE5 on NT (works on IE5/Mac too), with all ActiveX controls set to be displayed only if I allow it. I made this setting with some half-formed notion that it would make my computer ever-so-slightly more secure, but it has had the pleasant side effect of allowing me to disable all the annoying Flash sites out there, including ads.
Now whenever I go to, for example, a news article at c|net (random example), I get a friendly little warning about accepting activex controls & plugins. I saw no, it goes away, I get a nice sedate page. The ad is still huge, but at least it's calm & easily handled. A better solution would be of course to tinker around with something like Junkbuster, but I haven't had the time.
Of course the obvious question at this point is "isn't that a pain? Aren't things less interesting without Flash?" to which the answers are "yes, and absolutely not." Examples of Flash files being actually useful are exceedingly rare, and I don't mind the encumbrance if I can filter them out of all the other pages. For the occasional file that I go to specifically for the Flash content (say, those wacky Mahir, Hatten, & AYBABTU movies...) it's easy enough to just click "yes" ever once in a while.
We should be encouraging the banner ad makers to be inventive, and use flash and the like, rather than just being more obvious and intruding.
Yes. Surely some stupid Flash animation couldn't be any more obvious & intruding than an animated gif. Suuuure.....
Encouraging marketers to take advantage of what the web medium is capable of isn't a bad idea, but what it actually ends up meaning is making the page more obnoxious, which is a bad idea. I showed the c|net example (a Sun ad, as it happened) to our marketing agency (whose background is primarily from print advertising) and they were impressed that it kept everything within the page. That is, there was no page to click through, but rather you were shown more information without leaving the current article. It ended up being less of a distraction than normal banners, which try to get you to abandon whatever you were looking at previously.
On a semi-related note <really free associating now>, it occurred to me that day that a fundamental difference between marketing on the web and marketing in other media is that the latter force you to have one clearly defined message that can be conveyed in a short space (a sound bite, a slogan, a couple of lines of text, etc), while the web doesn't really have that restriction. Rather than one clearly defined message, it's possible a medley of messages, variations on a theme, such that one customer, drawn to one topic, may go after one part of your site, while other customers can be drawn to other messages etc. That is, traditional media force you to have depth and not breadth, or perhaps vice versa, whereas with the web you aren't forced to make a choice -- you can have either and at best you should have both.
I am not really sure how this plays into the ideas behind web marketing (I'm not so naive as to think that I'm the first one to have thought of this), but it seems like it opens up a peephole into a much more interesting and dynamic kind of marketing. For example, a "banner" for a weather related site might be not just one image to click on, but an image map of a geographic map -- "don't just tell me about your weather abilities, tell me what the weather is going to be in Boston!" Ditto for news sites, etc. It's kind of a waste to have a banner -- especially the big banners this article is warning about -- to only link to one place. Better by far would be for it to allow many links, and compressed information, that would genuinely interest people, rather than just trying to be shinier than all the competitors. It should be obvious by now that most people see right through that kind of crap...</free associating / thinking aloud>
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I actually kind of like the bigger ads
I can't believe I'm saying this, but I actually kind of like the bigger ads. Why? Because they aren't so annoying.
Banner ads are annoying. They have flashing graphics, Java, stupid crap like that. The only kind of banner ads I like are the ones which are actually HTML forms and let you calculate something. Those are useful. I'm suprised they aren't used more.
The reason I like the bigger ads is that they are also useful. CNet's been running a lot of ads from Sun (this one) lately. They're really big, and they're filled with text. Text I actually read, because it's informative, and it doesn't flash or do anything stupid. I just sits there and asks me to read it. I think this is the one true use of advertising -- to inform people about a product or service. How would we find out about some things if it weren't for advertising? Think about your local paper. It's sold at a loss and supported by ads -- HUGE ads. They take up half the page or more in some cases. But we don't mind too much, because they don't flash, and they have INFORMATION which we might FIND USEFUL! CNet's lareger advertisement format gives the advertiser more space to work with (so they don't need to use animation), and is situated in the page more like an ad in the newspaper, as part of the page, instead of on top or the bottom.
The other form of advertising I like is Google's AdWords and sponsored links. Again, they are non-intrusive and informative. -
Price Fixing by RIAA members
I hope all the readers and reporters will recall that 28 states are suing the RIAA members for years of price fixing on CD sales beginning in 1995! John Borland's CNet article from last August covers the ground pretty well. Potentially hundreds of millions of dollars were taken from consumers by this illegal activity.
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The End is Near. . .
I don't have a problem with advertiser supported sites running banner ads along the top or bottom of the page. Heck, even the sidebar ads like The Register uses aren't really that annoying. I think most people's biggest complaint is that they slow down load times for many pages.
This latest "development" seems to underscore the point that advertising online isn't working. It seems that banner ads are becoming like billboards along the highway. They're there, you sort of notice them, but when was the last time you really paid attention and were influenced by them? So the advertisers are nowing going to go to greater and greater lengths to grab interest by making it nearly impossible to miss the ads on the pages. So, they're making the "standard" sizes larger. Or they stick the ad in the middle of the page. But the vast majority of users will continue to just tune them out.
In the end, we'll probably just have a handful of companies like doubleclick that serve out these ads, and lower and lower click-through prices being paid to the sites that host the banners. Maybe someday someone will develop a formula that works better, for people viewing a site as well as advertisers, than the current crop of banners that are populating the web.
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Video AdsAlso on C/net, there have been ads for Sun after every video article. Oh well, at least they are after the article, so I can watch it and close Realplayer before the advertisement shows. I guess it's not too bad as long as they don't start to put them before the video, so you have no choice.
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Annoying vs. okayWell, CNET's big ads in the middle of columns suck ass, but the NY Times' "skyscraper" ads on the right are okay. My rule of thumb:
1. Always select "printable" to ease readability
2. Always select "single-page format" to reduce necessary clicks (and artificial pageviews)
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Annoying vs. okayWell, CNET's big ads in the middle of columns suck ass, but the NY Times' "skyscraper" ads on the right are okay. My rule of thumb:
1. Always select "printable" to ease readability
2. Always select "single-page format" to reduce necessary clicks (and artificial pageviews)
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CNet's News.Com Is Doing It Already
Check out this CNET story about how AOL is starting to test putting ADs into ICQ.
Anyway, look at the story -- it isn't a banner ad, but it's a gigantic ad that is right in the middle of the fscking text. UGGH!
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CNET Story without big annoying ad
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Napster is gasping for breathAnd this is just another example.
I agree with many of the posters that it's likely this copy protection will be easy to hack. I doubt that it will be on purpose, but napster just doesn't have the kind of resources or time it takes to play this kind of game. But I do think that it's a legitimate attempt. Napster investors and board members aren't looking to play cute tricks and sly wink-wink kind of routines with all the visibility this has in the country and on the hill. This is all about making their authorized subscription service, which seems like it at this point will have only one major contributor, Bertelsmann (and if other label showings are any indications, maybe only with a few hundred selected traffic)
The main issue is really the injunction. Once a reasonable rewrite is made, napster will be compelled to turn off file sharing. The injunction has nothing to do with appropriate copy protection. It will still be illegal to swap songs, even if you can't burn them.
So that leaves the high profile 1 billion dollar deal that is nothing more than a political stance, an effort to show good faith that napster wants to pay. Can you imagine as a record label taking $30 million a year to give a license to piracy?? Do you think any of the labels would take that deal from off-shore pirates? And a little honesty... Where does the $200 million a year that napster would have to produce come from? How much revenue did they book in '00 ? Probably no more than 10-20 million, and if they did that would put them at the top of the heap in private online music ventures.
The real truth of the matter is that no one, NO ONE, is doing well with online music. No one can beg borrow or steal licenses to deliver digital as the primary medium. What you're left with is a bunch of marginal online radio apps and places that offer a horrible cross-section of downloadables (emusic). Or deals where the right to stream is gotten buy buying in the correct brick and mortar store. It makes no difference, look around at the online music industry and everyone is laying off. It's simply a game of how much money you have left before you go under.
Napster is no different. The $50 million they got from Bertelsmann had heavy contingencies. If you had made an investment in napster, wouldn't you have been looking at the appeal results as to how you felt about following through with the investments.
They even hinted at doing napster for movies and games. Apparently they saw scour's unqualified success as a reason to run down that road. What on earth makes them think they can be successful against the MPAA when the RIAA has been so effective?
Napster's management has cracked like everyone else's, and they are desperately grasping at any business plan that hits their desks. It's quite interesting to watch, you can be sure it will continue to be entertaining.
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Easy to have a lazy Friday...
...when you reject all of the submissions! Sorry, just a little bitter. In the meantime, here's an interesting article on Larry Ellison views on computing.
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Re:no examples of innovation
Netscape were sued by the NCSA for the use of the name Mosaic, not the actual source, see here for details.
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Re:no examples of innovation
Oops, pressed submit too soon. Netscape were sued by the NCSA for the use of the name Mosaic, not the actual source, see here for details.
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Re:And people wonder why RMS hasn't gotten anywherI agree with you completely. RMS's words are probably doing more harm than good to the cause.
Jim Allchin's original diatribe that open-source software is un-American was written in short words which any red-blooded hick could understand: free software is dangerous for business. His argument may not make sense, but we're not the intended audience. The people who make most of the PC-buying decisions for corporate America aren't necessarily people who understand how PC's work, and Jim Allchin's words could probably spook a great many of them into being skeptical of open-source software. There's enough misinformation out there already; people who don't read Slashdot seem to think that free software is like the free love movement of the 1960's.
Richard Stallman's response didn't help matters any. He focuses on how the GNU GPL is different from the "open source" license, and how GNU/Linux is different from Linux... huh? Who cares? More importantly, anyone who didn't already understand the distinction isn't going to pick it up from RMS's article.
What RMS doesn't understand is that this battle won't be won all at once. The free software comunity needs to coexist with the proprietary world, and wean users gradually off proprietary software by offering superior alternatives. If RMS insists on stubbornly making it an all-or-nothing deal, he's most likely going to end up with nothing.
By the way, the correct name of the operating system is "Linux," not "GNU/Linux." It was named "Linux" by Linus Torvalds. The only person I've ever seen call it "GNU/Linux" has been Richard Stallman. Yes, much of Linux is based on GNU software, but what happens when we use GNU software on other computers? Does Solaris become GNU/Solaris, and do we rename Windows 2000 to GNU/Windows 2000? How much GNU software must be present on a computer before Richard Stallman decides the operating system must have a GNU prepended to its name?
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Tini is fine and all
The article is right about people wanting to get there hands some of these 'embedded' devices. I have been drooling over the items listed here on LinuxDevices
One of the most interesting ive seen is ZFLinux's MachZ System On a Chip - have a look at the a build of their reference implementation shown at at Linux World (half way down on the right - the thing has a tiny LCD - very cool)
For extra bonus karma-whorific-ness: Look at this: World's Smallest Web Server - Its just plain cool
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Uhh, guys?With 20 posts already, no one has mentioned the fact that the Corel acquisition was getting them into deeper trouble with the antitrust people at the DOJ. I don't know why they'd be bothered about that now and not before, but maybe they didn't think it would raise eyebrows. Anyway, that seems to be the most likely explanation for why they're bailing now.
For the people claiming "Microsoft invested in Corel, destroyed and is leaving the body for the vultures." -could you please elaborate on what they did to accomplish that? Persuade them that there was a meaningful Linux desktop market to target?
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The actual apple videoThe actual video of the event is at: http://video.cnet.com/cnet_news/template/ramgen.c
g i?cpcode=674&asset=http://cnetnews.download.akamai x tn=.ram.Doom3 just looks amazing. Even these early tech demo scenes make it clear that they have reached the photorealistic level. Say whatever you want about NVidia, but Carmack made that card fly...
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Can't see a thing...1) I for one want some better screenshots made available! I can't see a damn thing on those very very dark screenshots at 306x234???
I mean, is this supposed to be meaningful in any way?: http://216.105.168.97/cgi-bin/image-o-matic.cgi?do om2k/11.jpg
So close, but yet so far!...hehe...But this video clip is kinda cool.2) Anyone know any concrete scheduling info. on Doom3?
3) So, how much do people think that Apple paid nVidia for the whole "out on Apple first" deal?
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linux-friendly video
a realplayer version of the video is available at CNet, so the rest of us can watch it...
Walter H. Trent "Muad'Dib"
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Video of Geforce in ActionThere is a link on the right handside.
http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1006-201-4881105-0.ht
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Re:Calm down...
There was a suggestion that the Library of Congress maintain it. Nowhere did anybody from the government or the Library of Congress said they would maintain it or even if there is any interest in maintaing it. Personally, I'll give Google the benefit of the doubt and see what their plans are. They just bought the archives this month. Give them a little time to sort out what happened (remember that Deja was running with a skeleton staff before Google bought it) before anybody starts flaming Google. Now if it's a year from now and nothing's happened, that's a different matter...
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This seems a good way outAs someone already mentioned this seeems the only way to converge the Linux Market which has grown out of proportion. Here is another example.
" VA Linux Systems missed lowered expectations Tuesday, saying it will cut 25 percent of its staff and warning that profitability will arrive nine months later than planned." Article here.
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Details from 10/98 story when charges were filed
This CNET story has lots of details. It was posted October 30, 1998, when charges were filed (a few days before the attorney general in question was up for re-election).
The newsgroups in question were alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.pre-teen and alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.early-teen; pretty non-subtle. There's a claim by the prosecution that the CDA had exceptions for child pornography, so the CDA's Good Samaritan provision (which was not struck down by the courts) does not apply.
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Re:Hmm..
How about this.
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Here's a plain link for RealPlayerThe stupid java/css/plugin deal won't work for me...
Try this link to go right to it. (This is the 220Kbps realplayer stream)
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Direct link to video
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As direct a link as I can get.
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Try this link to the interview, instead...
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Re:Are You Sure eReferee Lost?
Yes, eReferee lost. If you had read the article, you'd have noticed that the arbitrator's decision was overturned.
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I found this to be funny
When you view the article (click here), and look at the stock prices on the left side of the browser window, you will notice that MSFT's stock price did not change, yet VA Linux, HP, IBM, and Red Hat all gained in value. I should also mention that WinNT has more security holes in it than a huge chunk of Swiss cheese. IMHO, Micro$oft employees should start talking out of their mouths instead of their asses.
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What's made Microsoft so vocal recently?
It seems like Microsoft has made a lot of news in the past two weeks. They announced WindowsXP, their new
It all seems to be tied to the future of peer-to-peer computing and online appliactions in some way. Instant Messengers,
All this open-source and Java bashing made me think... could they have caught wind of a Sun project to open-source Java that's already underway? This seems like the way Microsoft would respond to such a development. Or, maybe they're just trying block any possibility of Sun succeeding if they did open-source it (which they've been considering doing for some time now).
Of course, you can never be sure of anything when Microsoft's PR-Department is involved. They're completely hypocritical. It's very tough to cut through the FUD, hype, and downright errors they're constantly spewing out. I guess Microsoft's tactic is to confuse the hell out of your competitors while you're crushing them.
At the very least, it's something to think about. Some big shit is gunna be goin' down in the internet software market, and right soon. A bunch of people who want to invent the most killer app since the web-browser are gunna be battling it out. It's gunna be a bloodbath!
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Re:Gnutella not as good as napster...Speaking of Musiccity, if you take notice to their policy, it says it all. Here's an excerpt:
"MusicCity.com will respond to claims of copyright infringement committed on our Network that are reported to MusicCity.com. If you are a copyright owner, or authorized to act on behalf of an owner of the copyright or of any exclusive right under the copyright, please report your notice of infringement to MusicCity.com. We will attempt to respond expeditiously to all claims of copyright infringement that meet all of the following requirements.
PROCEDURES FOR SUBMITTING A CLAIM OF COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT Our compliance with the DMCA may include, but is not limited to, removing or disabling links to allegedly infringing material and complying with other applicable laws. To protect content owners, users and ourselves from fraudulent notices, incorrect or ineffective claims of infringement, we will respond only to Notices that are substantially compliant with the requirements of the DMCA as set forth below. Notices Must Be in Writing."
So what does this mean, (IMHO) it means that if a copyright owner doesn't want their works on the musiccity network, they have to submit it in writing and list what files spcifically are infringing, do whatever else in accordance with the law, and musiccity will remove it.
This seems to be the case for Napster as well:
Napster must halt the trading of specific files it is told to block by record companies. But that could be millions of songs, and it sets the stage for new, sweeping restrictions on what can be traded through the service - Says www.news.com.
The *real* question is: If musiccity says they can do this, (remove infringing files upon copyright owner's request) then why can't Napster do the same?
A penny for my thoughts? Here's my two cents. I got ripped off.
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What about the RioVolt?
I just got my RioVolt last week (CD-R/CD-RW based player) and I must say that it's WAY better than those other three you have listed. While it may be a tad more expensive ($180 shipped), it's definitely lightyears beyond the rest.
Read C|Net's review of the RioVolt
Read MY review of the RioVolt
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Bluelight isn't free anymoreBluelight's getting out of the free ISP biz according to C|Net News.com. A notiable quote is this: "The free unlimited model is dead," said BlueLight.com spokesman Dave Karraker.
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I hate to break it to you...
...but BlueLight is no longer free. See here for the details.
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Re:a scary union
Actually, it appears that ATI lost out to Nvidia a while ago per this article. And with Apple Computer's recent decision to not only offer Nvidia chips on their new macs, but make them the default option, how long before Nvidia rules the world? Don't get me wrong, I like Nvidia, I have an original TNT in my computer. I just think that a little competition is a good thing.
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ad's
A bit offtopic but,,
Ok, so I have learned to live with bannerads, always thinking, "there is no such thing as a free lunch", but almost everytime I click on a link to a news story on cnet like the one for this story, I get pages with ad's like on this page.
That totally destroys the readability of the page so even I say enough is enough and I almost always never click on the link if I see it point to cnet.
Anybody else feeling the same?
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Re:Linux returning to its rootsExcept that IBM is commiting itself to Linux. The ex-evil empire turning to open source, that isn't exactly where it started. Hear that speech at LinuxWorld?
You can read about the speech here.
And you can even see a video (via the link on the page) with some very interesting comments.
One thing that is mentioned is that IBM spends about 5 billion us dollars a year on R&D, and that money is *dwarfed* by all of the man-hours open source developers put into linux. IBM cannot compete. period.
listen to the video and hear them say in in plain english.
I wonder what that means for Microsoft?
