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Found it http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst

http://www.debian.org/distrib/

http://www.debian.org/ports/arm/

I've run it on an NSLU2. Worked perfectly. They've got desktop packages for it an everything.

Ubuntu is has been standing on the shoulders of giants (Debian) for a long time. It's time for you to go straight to the source.

http://packages.debian.org/lenny/arm/xmame-sdl/download

I've run Debian ARM distro on an NSLU2. Works great.

This is an obvious rip off of already available information, e.g.

# Security says:
October 26th, 2009 at 6:51 pm

This is an obvious copy of http://reverse.lostrealm.com/protect/ldd.html
# Security says:
October 26th, 2009 at 6:52 pm

Including this information from Debian (Feb 2009):

Debian Bug report logs - #514408 /usr/bin/ldd: ldd manpage fails to mention security implications

http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=514408

The are many projects which try to handle this issues, like
gcc hardening
selinux
and other security kernel patches

It was... a joke. Thank god English is free of that stupid distinction?

but is it DFSG free?

Anyway, why Ruby? Not that I have anything against it but really why did they pick Ruby?

Maybe they wanted to emulate that nice slow ka-CHUNK action of the lever-pull voting machines? For that they'd need the absolute slowest popular programming language available. Hence, Ruby.

0.5 percent well if thats the only matrix they go by,then every distro should make you download it from there each time you install.

Dont include it any more.

This is how Flash is installed on Ubuntu, and presumably other distributions too. See their flash install package info: http://packages.ubuntu.com/jaunty/flashplugin-installer

This probably wouldn't work well enough for graphics drivers though as they may need to be kept in much closer step with X and/or the kernel which would mean coordinating updates to those with nvidia's release schedule.

Perhaps the distributions that have "popularity" tracking (such as http://packages.ubuntu.com/jaunty/popularity-contest and http://packages.debian.org/lenny/popularity-contest) could derive some useful figures to pass on to the manufacturers. OK, only a subset of users have this installer & active and some of those won't have their sytem configured so it can send the mail messages needed, but there must be enough info to come up with an estimate of the number of people actively using (as opposed to "installed it to try and took it off later") the nvidia binary driver packages that you are happy is not astronomically wide of the mark.

I just looked it up to make sure I wasn't missing something, and Debian splits alsa up strangely so it's hard to say exactly which package is which, but Debian's ALSA packages have versions from 1.0.15 (released Oct 2007) to 1.0.17 (released June 2008), and ALSA current is entirely 1.0.21 except for ALSA-OSS which hasn't been updated since 1.0.17. So, Debian has no ALSA packages less than two versions off, and the majority are around 7 versions off. Sources: Debian Stable Package List and AlsaProject Homepage.

PS: Ubuntu, being released much more frequently, has managed to update to ALSA 1.0.18 (released Oct 2008).

Well, Debian has Popcon, but it's completely voluntary and off by default, so it's probably hard to tell for sure.

That thread you can't find on the Debian list is nothing! This reminds me of an instance on the Linux kernel mailing list a couple months back --- hmm... can't find it right now -- where a woman offered an elegant patch to fix a longstanding bug, and Torvalds told her to shut the hell up and get back in the kitchen, Shuttleworth suggested "Tits or GTFO," and Cox posted her employer's phone number encouraging people to harass her there. You'll just have to take my word for it. And we wonder why there aren't more women in Linux.

There may be rampant sexism, but given the severity of accusing a group of it you owe us something more than something you faintly remember. Clearly Debian, as a whole, does have limits.

By the way, there are ways to hold packages too

This is called pinning, if anyone is looking for the solution.

or to make lists of packages required, even for your own scripts.

"equivs" can be used to create empty packages for the sole purpose of manipulating dependencies. I usually use it to kill packages that are otherwise demanded in other important metapackages, though you could also use it to 'hold' dependencies for a broken third-party .deb package.

By the way, there are ways to hold packages too

This is called pinning, if anyone is looking for the solution.

or to make lists of packages required, even for your own scripts.

"equivs" can be used to create empty packages for the sole purpose of manipulating dependencies. I usually use it to kill packages that are otherwise demanded in other important metapackages, though you could also use it to 'hold' dependencies for a broken third-party .deb package.

You know about Debian-Volatile right? What's even better, is this is part of -stable and has been included in your default repository config since Lenny released.

This is meant specifically for moving targets like ClamAV.

If BSD can go it, so can the HURD. Go HURD go! I know you can achieve first class status!

You forgot me. Please amend the above to include C.J. Adams-Collier (cjac). I am not yet a DD, but I'll be there soon.

http://git.debian.org/?p=pkg-cli-libs/packages/dlr-languages.git;a=blob;f=debian/control;h=4f658c05018d4b4c4bc39d445d9a22adec3d43f9;hb=46fa20431a01c864e53c65bb12c5a4702ad07e8d

Kisses,

C.J.

Windows is a downgrade. A variety of upgrades are available for free. Here are links to just two, Google can help find the others.

http://www.debian.org/

http://www.freebsd.org/

There are cheaper variants to get Vista away, for example: http://www.ubuntu.com/ or http://www.debian.org/

I have written a huge estimation application (web-based). The calculations are something like O(n^n) or worse... point is, processors aren't getting faster. We are however getting a lot more cores. The algorithm parallelizes very well, but perl does not do efficient multi-threading. So I will have to re-write the estimation engine in something else.
OTOH I strongly suspect that rewriting it in a faster programming language by itself is likely to bring a more significant speedup than going multithreaded. According to http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/u64q/benchmark.php?test=all&lang=all&box=1 perl perl is 70 times slower than C. Few boxes have more than 8 cores.

It makes the JVM look efficient
The JVM is really VERY good by VM standards. Yeah the class libraries are a bit bloated leading to long startup times but other than that it is one of the few VMs to come anywhere close to (and in some benchmarks even exceed) the performance of tradtional compiled languages.

According to http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/u64q/benchmark.php?test=all&lang=all&d=data&gpp=on&java=on&ghc=on&csharp=on&sbcl=on&hipe=on&mzscheme=on&lua=on&php=on&vw=on&python=on&perl=on&ruby=on&calc=calculate&box=1 java is behind C,C++ and some language i've never heard of but ahead of everything else. Hell even java in interpreter mode is not that far down the charts.

Heh. Good point. In fact, the Debian USB device database says that the kernel module used to support iPods is the generic "usb-storage" module.

I thought this was all sorted out after the PGP fiasco? I wasn't too sure if it was sorted out when us.gov decided that some relevant law had expired, but I definitely thought it was sorted out. After all, debian dropped non-us because of this clearing up.

"Industry and public interest groups lobbied for liberalization, and the Clinton Administration reformed the outdated U.S. export controls on encryption items in a series of graduated steps, culminating the new US Regulations" -- http://www.debian.org/legal/cryptoinmain.

HURD is just a kernel. The actual operating system is GNU, which can run on other kernels too (such as the NetBSD and FreeBSD kernels).

HURD is just a kernel. The actual operating system is GNU, which can run on other kernels too (such as the NetBSD and FreeBSD kernels).

At doing what?

If you bothered to follow the link I provided, there is a large Read-the-FAQ link answering your question and more.

The problem with open source is the dependency chain becomes brutal. So you turn to a package manager like Yum or Fink to handle all the self consistency and installs, not to mention the updates.

Fear not, bretheren. Allow me to introduce you to sane package management Debian, the One True Faith®.

Actually Python is pretty slow, about 50 times slower than C++, but that's usually ok since you can put the bottleneck into a C++ module. However, if all the server software is in Python, things will be significantly slower.

Perl is actually horrible: it is the slowest language in the survey I linked, except for Ruby, plus we all know what the code looks like.

As for Erlang, it fares relatively well (though still 15 times slower than C++), but its main competitor would probably be Haskell, which also is faster.

Just curious, will anyone ever be able to do enough to get the GPL fanboys to stop their fucking whining?

Truthfully, they only really got bad after 2005. Before that point, the FSF was gradually sliding towards irrelevance; but unfortunately, Microsoft had to go and start the DRM flap. Because of that, Stallman was able to reinvent himself and change focus to real-world activism, (since actual code development of the GNU Project had been taken over by either Red Hat or Debian a few years earlier) and the cult came back.

These days, the slide back towards irrelevance has resumed, but they're resisting it every step of the way. They have a #gnu_generation channel on FreeNode which targets teenagers, (interesting when you consider that one of the key allegations levelled against Microsoft by the FSF on the Windows7Sins site is poisoning education) and there are reasonably regular reports of them taking on (and brainwashing) new interns as well.

Then there's the ever-present Trotskyite Debian cheerleading squad, as well. Because Ubuntu is Debian-based, and the Debian crowd are as heavily Stallmanite (and Communist) as they are, the cult is managing to skim off a steady trickle of the Windows refugees who are adopting Ubuntu.

Eventually the FSF are going to hang themselves. The Windows7Sins campaign doesn't look like anything other than a byproduct of toxic, crippling autism; it is pure preaching to the choir, and won't be earning them any credibility points at all with the general public.

The literature of cults provides very few examples of a cult outliving its' founder, as well. Stallman could hypothetically be around for as long as another 35 years yet; but it is unlikely that he could remain active as its' leader for all of that time. I could see Kuhn definitely becoming the FSF's David Miscavige, although that will probably depend on how old he is when the time comes.

Either way, they won't last forever; but the real issue, as you've pointed out, is how much damage they stand to do to Linux's reputation in the meantime. Linux is already largely recognised as being synonymous both with Stallman and with cultic radicalism by the online trade press. Red Hat might be doing well enough in the enterprise, but the non-profit community are generally regarded as hard leftist, extremist loons, and all too often with good reason, tragically. You'll never see a single article from the online trade press which dissents from the FSF party line, where the author isn't subjected to the most foul, blistering forms of abuse in the comments/talkback sections, if they have one.

Another recent issue of some concern is the "Linux Youth," phenomenon that has begun to be observed among Ubuntu users. These are generally teenagers, and are usually both fanatically pro-Ubuntu and pro-Stallman. They may be a product of the "GNU Generation," initiative, or they may simply be developing due to Ubuntu's aforementioned association with Debian. Either way, it is troubling, if only because it demonstrates the FSF's ability to gain new victims/footsoldiers from diverse sources.

Doesn't look like it at the moment. It's a new feature in glibc 2.10, which isn't yet in Debian (not even unstable, though there's a version in experimental) or in the latest Ubuntu, though it looks like it's in the dev versions of the upcoming late-October Ubuntu release.

and the communism jibe shows your colours as a true blue american.

Take another look. A quote here
from Leon Trotsky, a reference to Anarchism (if not outright Anarcho-Communism) here, and information about research claiming that
economic reward is not a motivator for work.

The Debian Project and the FSF are both demonstrably Anarcho-Communist; it isn't simply a baseless stereotype. I
can find you more references if you'd like.

You don't like the GPL, but why that is exactly you do not tell.

You could have a look at one of the responses I had to the GP; but to explain it myself, the GPL v2 dictates downstream
use. Other licenses do not. The GPL v3 goes further than merely dictating downstream use of the software, and attempts
to dictate patent issues as well.

The MIT and or BSD licenses you prefer have been a brake on the uptake/development of all the BSD's.

Given the amount of heat and noise which Stallman and his aforementioned cultists have a tendency to generate, it was
predictable that, for a while, the GPL would hold sway. It's never really been used, by business at least, due to
genuine economic viability, but more primarily because of the amount of social pressure which the cult has tried to
exert on people.

However, the GPL was specifically designed and intended to be an anti-commercial license, and as we've seen reported in
a couple of articles here on Slashdot recently, vendors are slowly figuring that out, and gradually beginning to move to
non-copyleft licenses, particularly the Apache license. The GPL v2 fell below 50% usage for the first time, recently;
and indications are that that isn't because of uptake of v3, either.

That is in part thanks to it's license, that prevented leeches from exploiting the work of contributors. It is
those contributors that make Linux what it is, and they like the GPL just fine.

This is standard pro-FSF rhetoric; and I've written about reciprocity paranoia being expressed by such individuals
before. It's fear based and mean spirited, and apart from anything else, it's also scarcity-based thinking, which
illustrates that the speaker is not thinking from the vantage point of a genuine gift culture.

You seem to like your precious opinion very much, but luckily that does not make a difference at all. Or should I
have not fed the troll? ;)

Smug condescension, and an attempt to minimise the percieved credibility of dissenting opinions, are also extremely commonly observed tactics among FSF/GPL advocates.

My dear Derleth, something you need to know about me: I am a system administrator.

I have administred/used/installed/maintained: SuSE, Mandrake (now Mandriva), Red Hat, Fedora, Debian, Ubuntu, Slackware, NetBSD, OpenBSD and FreeBSD machines. And I have probably forgotten a couple in the list above (Caldera comes to mind - waaaay before it became SCO).

So, yeah, I have used RPM and .deb based Linux distributions, thank you very much. And, yes, as you guessed, I started way back in 1995, when Slackware was pretty much the only game in town. Debian did not really exist yet and Red Hat was just crappy in those days. Slackware was - and still is - stable and coherent compared to pretty much all other distributions.

And that's just the free UN*X. I have also administered/installed and maintained HP-UX, AIX, Solaris, and Tru64 machines.

Except for the *BSDs and Slackware, frankly, most of them suck. Big time. Which is why I am typing this past 1:00am on a (very early) Sunday morning after spending an entire day installing AIX 5.3 TL8 SP6 servers in a production environment.

Give me Slackware anytime, please. Red Hat is a mess after two upgrades, Debian packages are maintained by a bunch of clueless hippies and n00bies, SuSE just plain sucks (yast meets smit, smit meets yast), Ubuntu is for point-and-click losers. And don't get me started on so-called "professional" UN*X such as AIX, please.

For instance, here is one reason Slackware is superior to all of these lame pieces of fluff: except maybe for Debian, it is the ONLY Linux distribution that won't install an X11 server by default. Here is a hint: you don't need a freaking X11 GUI on a production machine!!

(By the way, never ever mention the name "Gentoo" in front of me unless you really want to get a good ol' whack from my handy clue bat(tm).)

Anyhow, I am sorry if this sounded trollish - don't get me wrong, Red Hat and Debian and Ubuntu and [insert fave distro here] are perfectly acceptable, heck even Solaris or HP-UX are not that bad, but when it comes to simplicity and stability , Slackware is still the best Linux out there.

Slackware sucks. But, as far as I am concerned, it sucks a little bit less than all the others.

Corporation you say? Fuck corporations, who needs them?

Be free. http://debian.org/

If you would like to play ATC outside of emacs you can look for the bsdgames source, which includes ATC.
http://packages.qa.debian.org/b/bsdgames.html
ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-current/source/y/bsd-games/

What's wrong with getting the torrent from the distro website?

http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/downloadmirrors#bt
http://www.debian.org/CD/torrent-cd/
http://torrent.fedoraproject.org/
etc..

I'd be wary of downloading any software (especially something like an operating system) from a site like the Pirate Bay.

Off topic: For me downloading a torrent is actually slower than a direct download most of the time, thanks to my ISP throttling bittorrent. For example, I can download Ubuntu at 1.5MB/sec via http or ftp, but only 300KB/sec with bittorrent...

The reason why languages that choose to use typed _value_ instead of typed _variables_ (like python) are rarely compiled is because it is either infeasably difficult (even in the case of code where everything's known up front) or impossible (in the case of programs that read from files and so on) to determine what type a value will have until you run the program. This means that even if we were to compile the python program, it would effectively require the python interpreter in its runtime to operate in the same way. This is what compiled Lisps do.

Regarding what defines a scripting language, there's no generally agreed-upon definition. Typically it involves the language being interpreted, loosely or dynamically typed and having a standard library/modules that make operations in a certain field (like text processing, dom navigation, etc) easy.

And about Java performance: There is building support for Java vms (with hotspot optimisation and disregarding startup times for the server) running code being in the same order of magnitude as things like gcc, while the interpreted languages are by conventional wisdom about an order of magnitude slower (see the alioth shootout).

Are you saying that Ubuntu has a way to automatically download an ARM version of FireFox and OpenOffice?

I don't know about Ubuntu but Debian most certainly has Firefox and OpenOffice packages for ARM that are ready to use.

Even then, what about Flash and Adobe Reader? How am I going to play my favorite YouTube videos and Facebook games?

Do you really want to use a proprietary browser plugin with a horrible security history like Adobe Flash, with _known_ vulnerabilities that have been unpatched for over 8 months?
With new open technologies like HTML5, Flash is becoming more and more obsolete anyway.
YouTube videos can be easily downloaded and played with mplayer. Gnash, a reverse-engineered libre replacement for Adobe Flash, gets better continuously. Many Flash applications already work with Gnash, like YouTube or the flash photo galleries generated by some Adobe applications.

The libre software situtation is much better when it comes to PDF, as PDF is, unlike Flash, an open standard. There are plenty of libre alternatives to Adobe Reader, most of them less bloated and way faster than the original. The FSF has launched a portal site for those.

www-data

I don't pay for software. Why do you?

Upstream = X.org. Ubuntu 9.04 (Jaunty) has 7.4, while Debian Lenny has 7.3.

I know MS had it, and it would have been a usability nightmare then, except it did not stick out among the many others and it was the 80ies/early 90ies and computing was not mainstream yet.

There's a huge difference is culture with Linux distributions in contrast to Windows. Linux software is largely available under the GPL or other free licence. Debian package and sign 18,000+ packages and offer a central download service. That allows you to get software you want from a trustworthy central location without risk of it compromising your system. However, there are guides to hardening Debian out there on the internet (Google suggests http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/), and there are willing helpers available on IRC.

At a minimum, I would split your / (root), /boot and /home mounts to different partitions and only allow nodev (no device) and noexec (no executables) in your /home partition. Then don't be afraid to blast away the root and boot partitions as often as you want. Create a script run daily using Cron to list your installed packages (something as simple as 'dpkg -l > /home/user/package-list.txt') so that a reinstall puts the base system onto your machine, you connect for signed, Debian-created updates and then you can reinstall everything else you had (using something like 'aptitude install /home/user/package-list.txt').

dnsmasq supports specifying bogus NX domains, and rewriting/fixing them.

Fail.

1. Not available on the majority of Linux installations

Something similar seems to be available in APT:
http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-apt-get.en.html
Check section 3.10.
And here's the rough equivalent for RPM:
http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/7034

So, what distro is no longer covered?

2. Removing a package is not the same as reverting to an earlier version of the same package.

I guess that you missed the latter half of the last command that I posted:

# emerge -C =package-cat/package-offending-version && emerge package-cat/package

An English translation of that command is

Remove the offending package and install the latest available that's not masked if the removal was successful.

I could have written that command as:

# emerge package-cat/package

and -as I had previously masked the offending package version- Portage would have done the right thing.

So, in summary:

No, you're a towel.

:D

Thanks, but it didn't work:

# aptitude download mozilla-plugin-gnash
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
Reading extended state information
Initializing package states... Done
Writing extended state information... Done
Get:1 http://ftp.debian.org/ testing/main mozilla-plugin-gnash 0.8.4-2 [67.7kB]
Fetched 67.7kB in 1s (52.8kB/s)
ANTian:/home/ant/download# dpkg --force-overwrite --install mozilla-plugin-gnash_0.8.4-2_i386.deb
(Reading database ... 162236 files and directories currently installed.)
Preparing to replace mozilla-plugin-gnash 0.8.4-2 (using mozilla-plugin-gnash_0.8.4-2_i386.deb) ...
Unpacking replacement mozilla-plugin-gnash ...
dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of mozilla-plugin-gnash:
  mozilla-plugin-gnash depends on gnash (= 0.8.4-2) | gnash-opengl (= 0.8.4-2); however:
    Package gnash is not installed.
    Package gnash-opengl is not installed.
dpkg: error processing mozilla-plugin-gnash (--install):
  dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
Errors were encountered while processing:
  mozilla-plugin-gnash

# apt-get install gnash gnash-opengl
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
E: The package adobe-flashplugin needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it.

I need to force a reinstall or force an uninstall, but it won't let me! :(

I run Debian stable on my laptop, and I don't see why I would run Ubuntu instead of Debian.

Lack of Ext4 support for existing partitions is what's keeping me on Ubuntu. I'm waiting for the Testing images to support it, but I don't think that'll happen until it gets 2.6.28. Unless you know another way?

...limiting an OSS project to a time-based release cycle puts an artificial constraint on the development process. While it might be useful to encourage faster development in some cases, it is just as likely to force a new feature to be dropped at the last minute if it can't make it through the door in time.

I definitely agree, however I expect this decision was driven by concerns that Debian's popularity with businesses might be threatened by Ubuntu. Pointy-haired types like to see "regular" release schedules, rather than "we'll release it when it's done".

...the small font used for the non-mainpage stories makes me read the story title as "Lesbian decides to adopt time-based release freezes".

You might want to revisit your browser's font configuration then. I certainly would never depend on the font choices of web designers. :)

I'm still kind of disappointed that they haven't upgrade IW to 3.5 though.

It's available in experimental. See packages.debian.org/iceweasel and bug #535192.

I'm still kind of disappointed that they haven't upgrade IW to 3.5 though.

It's available in experimental. See packages.debian.org/iceweasel and bug #535192.

The point in ubuntu is being always a couple of months late. You probably want to use a more up to date distribution such as debian unstable (note: unstable does not mean will crash after a reboot, just that they may contain bug).

it is also possible to keep a mixed system, that is to say, use mainly debian stable but borrow some packages from unstable. It uses teh preferences options of APT and you can find information on the debian website http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-apt-get.en.html

BTW, there exist an even more closer to upstream distribution of debian which is called experimental. I would not recommend a non debian developer to use that but it can be useful sometimes.

Its no surprise that Arch makes it to the top being a rolling distro, that is, one that doesn't have "releases" like Ubuntu, Debian, etc.

I run Debian testing. It's very much a rolling release, and you're somewhat protected against obvious bugs by the nice policy. Of course, you can get more rolling than that and go full unstable. And throw in some experimental if you're feeling brave.

The nice thing is you can mix-and-match. Most of my packages are testing, some are unstable, and right now i have a touch of experimental. With some APT pinning, you get a rolling release where you can decide per-package how bleeding edge you want to be.

This is my laptop/desktop. For servers I mostly stick to stable, and if i really need a newer package I can pin it from testing, or look for it on backports.org.

The mystifying part of his calculation is that Debian Lenny was frozen exactly 51 weeks ago on Jul 27th 2008.

http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/07/msg00007.html

Yet, somehow, the "average lag" for Debian Lenny is a mere 40 weeks, when it should approach 51 weeks as of today... I do not believe there have been THAT many security related patches, have there?

Also obsolete is the wrong word. By the definition, "No longer in use" it obviously fails by the definition of being included in the distros. By the definition "Outmoded in design, style, or construction" it obviously fails because a trivial bug fix or trivial feature add does not change the entire design, style or construction of the whole thing. Linux 0.99pl7 now that is obsolete.