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It frustrates most at first... you just have to know where to find answers.

A good first source is the Linux Documentation Project:
www.linuxdoc.org
This site has lots of good info... check out the HOWTO's in particular.

For more esoteric questions, I like to search Usenet postings. A good Usenet search can be found at Deja.com (for now, at least):
www.deja.com/usenet

While these still require reading more than 2 sentences, if you want to get Linux running, and have some time to spend, these will answer 90% of your questions. Posting to Usenet will often clear up the rest.

Everyone Linux user was once a newbie. When I was starting out, these sites were invaluable for me. I hope they can help you too.

Try this link. That's what you get when pages are dynamically created :-/

If this links won't work either, just visit the Deja PowerSearch and enter "wesright@my-deja.com" in the author box. Hope this helps.

Try this link. That's what you get when pages are dynamically created :-/

If this links won't work either, just visit the Deja PowerSearch and enter "wesright@my-deja.com" in the author box. Hope this helps.

Here is the link to the post on Deja.

here is one of the documents

Tier one troubleshooting guide


Aaron Bryden

~a doug@fsck-athome.lordlegacy.org & ~g comp.dcom.modems.cable

Besides the E-mail scripts, there are other documents on 256 upstream toolkits and stolen modems.

I'm not sure if these are the correct postings, but they are all I could find using DejaNews:

[@HOME ] - EMAIL - Tier 1 Troubleshooting Guide

[ @HOME] - 256kbps Upstream Toolkit

[@HOME] - MSO - Customer Credit Calculation

[@HOME] - Comcast - Stolen Modem Procedure

[@HOME] - Abuse Reporting Procedure

I had URLs that would give a plain text version, but the /. long URL bug mangled them.

I'm not sure if these are the correct postings, but they are all I could find using DejaNews:

[@HOME ] - EMAIL - Tier 1 Troubleshooting Guide

[ @HOME] - 256kbps Upstream Toolkit

[@HOME] - MSO - Customer Credit Calculation

[@HOME] - Comcast - Stolen Modem Procedure

[@HOME] - Abuse Reporting Procedure

I had URLs that would give a plain text version, but the /. long URL bug mangled them.

I'm not sure if these are the correct postings, but they are all I could find using DejaNews:

[@HOME ] - EMAIL - Tier 1 Troubleshooting Guide

[ @HOME] - 256kbps Upstream Toolkit

[@HOME] - MSO - Customer Credit Calculation

[@HOME] - Comcast - Stolen Modem Procedure

[@HOME] - Abuse Reporting Procedure

I had URLs that would give a plain text version, but the /. long URL bug mangled them.

I'm not sure if these are the correct postings, but they are all I could find using DejaNews:

[@HOME ] - EMAIL - Tier 1 Troubleshooting Guide

[ @HOME] - 256kbps Upstream Toolkit

[@HOME] - MSO - Customer Credit Calculation

[@HOME] - Comcast - Stolen Modem Procedure

[@HOME] - Abuse Reporting Procedure

I had URLs that would give a plain text version, but the /. long URL bug mangled them.

I'm not sure if these are the correct postings, but they are all I could find using DejaNews:

[@HOME ] - EMAIL - Tier 1 Troubleshooting Guide

[ @HOME] - 256kbps Upstream Toolkit

[@HOME] - MSO - Customer Credit Calculation

[@HOME] - Comcast - Stolen Modem Procedure

[@HOME] - Abuse Reporting Procedure

I had URLs that would give a plain text version, but the /. long URL bug mangled them.

Dejanews archives most of Usenet, and as far as I know, doesn't honor cancels... You can look up a message by its message id on this page. The message id is right there in the Cancel Request control message.

Here is a index of the latest posts by this Wesley person. Should clear a few things up.

Why do college kids?

Being a Computer Science major at a particular school I could tell you that having a laptop (at least in my case) would have helped out a LOT.

Nearly everything I do involves a computer...from writing up my Operating Systems projects to writ ing up papers.. And using the campus's WaveLan, I could be doing it in a class I don't care nearly as much about.

Plus, the ability to take notes in class and have them readable (my handwriting is shit...) would be a nice bonus.

Why haven't I got one now? I'm pretty much broke...

Of course, if it were mandated that I have a laptop, I may be even deeper in the red than I am now...
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I'd post a lengthy explanation of why it's more important to protect basic freedoms than to protect idiots who should learn about the Net before they run out into traffic and get run over on the information superhighway, but I said it well enough in a discussion on alt.privacy.anon-server. It was in response to a man who blamed anonymous remailers as responsible for threats made by an anonymous person to some woman he knows.

I won't repost it here because it's a good 659 lines, but here's some linkage to it on DejaNews (I still can't bring myself to call them Deja...sigh...):

http://x70.deja.com/[ST_rn=ps]/threadmsg_ct.xp?AN= 661727467&CONTEXT=971767337. 1064960 22

If that link expires, go to the main Power Search page at http://www.deja.com/home_ps.shtml and type "carbonymous" into the author field, and that will show it and a few others.

I'd post a lengthy explanation of why it's more important to protect basic freedoms than to protect idiots who should learn about the Net before they run out into traffic and get run over on the information superhighway, but I said it well enough in a discussion on alt.privacy.anon-server. It was in response to a man who blamed anonymous remailers as responsible for threats made by an anonymous person to some woman he knows.

I won't repost it here because it's a good 659 lines, but here's some linkage to it on DejaNews (I still can't bring myself to call them Deja...sigh...):

http://x70.deja.com/[ST_rn=ps]/threadmsg_ct.xp?AN= 661727467&CONTEXT=971767337. 1064960 22

If that link expires, go to the main Power Search page at http://www.deja.com/home_ps.shtml and type "carbonymous" into the author field, and that will show it and a few others.

If (and this is a big ?If?) Network Ice can demonstrate that MAPS could be inaccurately labelling some sites as spam sites, specifically Network Ice, then MAPS could have problems.

Network Ice are not the company in this suit, Black Ice are.

Here are some samples of them spamming (found in nanae):

http://www.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=557977300&fmt=tex t

http://www.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=558186941&fmt=tex t

http://www.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=600168362&fmt=tex t

http://www.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=626576761&fmt=tex t

If (and this is a big ?If?) Network Ice can demonstrate that MAPS could be inaccurately labelling some sites as spam sites, specifically Network Ice, then MAPS could have problems.

Network Ice are not the company in this suit, Black Ice are.

Here are some samples of them spamming (found in nanae):

http://www.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=557977300&fmt=tex t

http://www.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=558186941&fmt=tex t

http://www.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=600168362&fmt=tex t

http://www.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=626576761&fmt=tex t

If (and this is a big ?If?) Network Ice can demonstrate that MAPS could be inaccurately labelling some sites as spam sites, specifically Network Ice, then MAPS could have problems.

Network Ice are not the company in this suit, Black Ice are.

Here are some samples of them spamming (found in nanae):

http://www.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=557977300&fmt=tex t

http://www.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=558186941&fmt=tex t

http://www.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=600168362&fmt=tex t

http://www.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=626576761&fmt=tex t

If (and this is a big ?If?) Network Ice can demonstrate that MAPS could be inaccurately labelling some sites as spam sites, specifically Network Ice, then MAPS could have problems.

Network Ice are not the company in this suit, Black Ice are.

Here are some samples of them spamming (found in nanae):

http://www.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=557977300&fmt=tex t

http://www.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=558186941&fmt=tex t

http://www.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=600168362&fmt=tex t

http://www.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=626576761&fmt=tex t

If you're in the mood to get me a gift, how about this? Sure beats this monster, as reliable as it's been for the last year and a half.

Don't hesitate to get in touch with me or peruse my other lists. A lot of shiny tech stuff catches my eye on a regular basis, so I'm a self-proclaimed expert. Heh.

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minor typos in post, it should have read:

...depraved sites like oh, Deja.Com. I think this is not acceptable in a service that is funded out of (partly) taxpayers pockets is so over-regulated as to be utterly useless. Are other libraries in the UK taking a similar line? Does anyone else know more about this, or is this just an individual council going overboard?"...

Recently I was in the North East of England for a quick visit. When the time came for me to depart Londonwards I needed to look up a train timetable so wandered in to my local library for a quick lookup on the net. The AUP document I was required to sign was so authoritarian as to be unbelievable. As well as the usual clauses about porn and virii it forbade the use of chatrooms and - get this: EMAIL. To add to this, they had set up the machines so that the only app that could be run was Internet Explorer. They also had blocking software that blocked evil, depraved sites like oh, deja.com. I think this is not acceptable in a service that is funded out of (partly) taxpayers pockets is so over-regulated as to be utterly useless. Are other libraries in the UK taking a similar line? Does anyone else know more about this, or is this just an individual council going overboard?" A few libraries in the US are moving to this kind of system as well. It's a tricky situation, and it was inevitable that we were going to have this kind of conflict when accessing the Internet through publicly funded outlets. Are there better ways to handle this situation?

Q: What do you think about American Culture?
A: I think it's a good idea.

And if the Net is, in fact, fostering a political/social movement designed to protest, curb or transform corporatism, that could well be the most significant and unexpected contribution to public life that technology has made since e-mail

Ignoring your blatent insult, I will respond. I'll guess that you disagree with my reasoning and were thus incensed.

Yup, your "reasoning" looked like Jerry-bashing to me, so I flew off my handle. Sorry about that. (I guess I am too easily "incensed", at that...)

I could buy a car and see what was in it, most definitely, but if I really wanted to compete on a technological level, then buying the company, getting all their current research and data and being able to see the direction of their plans, and then applying that to their own car is miles better.

Naah, that's not the way it works, not really.

Not when it comes to off-road cars -- heck, there just aren't that many "secrets" to be discovered in that area, from scrutinizing the competition's "plans".

And I'm sure BMW knew, even six years ago, that they would take their own development on that front in quite a different direction than Land/Range Rover; the X5 is much more of a "Softie-SUV"-style vehicle (like the Merc M-Class) than a "real" off-roader like the Rovers.

No, they had quite another reason to buy the company.

They didn't buy it a decade ago, it was six years ago, and the TENS OF BILLIONS OF DEUTSCHE MARK was heavily subsidised by the UK government.

OK, OK, I guess it's just that it feels as if they've been pumping money into it since forever...

Because they have, really -- the UK government's subsidies were partly a direct rebate on the buying price, and partly contributions to refurbishing old (and opening new?) factories, like Western European governments always do when the Press starts yelling about "X THOUSAND JOBS AT RISK!!!" (and the big Western European corporations are always so quick to accept, in marked contrast to their moaning about those same governments when it comes to taxation... But I digress).

But apart from that, they really did lose (yes, let's keep the capitals :-) TENS OF BILLIONS OF DEUTSCHE MARK -- after they'd bought the company, and put some of their own and some of the British tax-payers' money into its factories, it went on making substantial losses, year after year. And those losses were directly borne by the mother company, BMW.

BMW originally posited that they bought Rover to give them an entry into the midrange car market, and historically Rover had been good, but as you point out, it was a money-hemorrhaging corporation when they bought it: a sound investment

Yeah, well, AFAICR they originally "posited" that A) they wanted an entry into the midrange- and smaller car market, B) they thought Mercedes' way of doing it, expanding the same marque's model range downward, would dilute the status value of the brand so they wanted to expand specifically by buying other brands, and C) the British automobile industry was just generally "worth saving". What they didn't say, but which was pretty much an "open secret" the whole time, was that the last point there was possibly just for sentimental reasons on the part of the (now ex-)MD, Bernd Pischetsrieder.

Be that as it may, but the main point is that their strategists and bean-counters, quite simply, made an honest mistake: They thought they were going to be able to stop the money-hemorrhaging, but they couldn't.

I don't think so, so you have to look at the other reasons why it was bought, and perhaps read between the lines a little. To me I can see the distinct advantage of paying what they have done, so they can create their own off-roader, which will make them money hand over fist.

Naah, you're veering into Invisible Black Helicopter territory there. Trust me, designing a car like the BMW X5 -- or the Landie Disco, for that matter -- isn't exactly "rocket science" (or rather, it is, for as Isaac Asimov [or was it Robert Heinlein?] once pointed out, the popular usage of that expression is silly, because rocket science is actually rather simple).

In fact, it's pretty insulting of you to persist in this not-so-implied claim that all the Herr Ingenieurs at the Bayerische Motoren-Werke wouldn't be able to come up with something like that on their own, without help from Solihull.

Look at the share of the market that Chrysler had in Europe before they started importing the Jeep and Wrangler to Europe.. And before you say that the market is becoming saturated, it isn't with BMW SUVs.

Huh? No, of course not -- the X5 isn't even on sale outside of the USA yet, is it? But the Jeep brand (of which I thought Wrangler was just one model [basically, the old classic, CJ5/7], so what's with the "and"?), which has always been present in some rather rarefied numbers and isn't much more frequent now -- that certainly isn't what turned them around in Europe.

(Not outside Britain, at least; maybe you have peculiar conditions there? [Of course you do; you can't even drive on the right side of the road! >:]) The Cirrus and Stratus, and above all the Neon, that's what's stopped Chrysler from total extinction this side of the Pond. (Heck, even the PT Cruiser is represented here in Helsinki, already! :-)

My point was that it had nothing to do with Betcour's implication that if a Japanese car firm stays in Britain it will end up like Rover. It depends on the CARS being produced and where they aim in the market not whether they are being produced in Britain.

Sorry, but I'm inclined to think maybe he did have a point after all...

Want me to dig up a Usenet post I saw recently about the British (specifically, Rover) automobile worker's wonderful "work ethics"? Hope this works. (Yes, there was a pretty "incensed" reply by yours truly then, too.)

For instance, here are 14+ different choices for buying The Matrix on DVD sorted by price.

We're continually adding new merchants and product categories all the time. That's my job actually. In fact, if you know of any good DVD merchants (or any other good web merchants actually) feel free to send suggestions to me in email (see above) and I will look at putting them on our site. (Note that not every web merchant will be able to be listed -- if they have really crappy inconsistent HTML and/or don't list enough identifying information on their pages, it won't work. Perl regexp's are neat but not magical ;-))

They're doing more than linking to it - you can actually access the source code on a Deja HTTP server :)

Their usenet archive is alive and well.... http://www.deja.com/usenet/

Nope. From their "Power Search" page (http://www.deja.com/home_ps.shtml):

Notice: Archive searches for postings prior to May 15, 1999, are temporarily unavailable.

This notice has been up for I don't know how long, but so far there is no sign of the old archives coming back.

Note also the name change: dejanews.com to deja.com. Dropping "news" in their name seems like a pretty good indication that they'll drop it in reality as well.

My ISP outsources their newsfeed from Supernews, who does a very good job with it. If only they'd buy up Deja's news archive and pick up where they left off... I don't pay for a Supernews newsfeed now, as I get it through my ISP, but I'd definitely be willing to pay for the archive service.

Their usenet archive is alive and well.... http://www.deja.com/usenet/

> Of course, that doesn't fix everything, but it sure makes things nicer...

This link takes you directly to their "Power Search" page (which is all I ever use) sans banners/polls/crap.

Of course, you shouldn't have to understand, you're just a 'consumer' of the service. There were a couple of things going on that caused the deja-old archives to be taken offline temporarily (we all hope and think.) First of all, we moved to a new colo facility, and buying the space for all these news servers (many terabytes of indexed news articles) at the new facility would have been prohibitevely expensive. (We ARE a free service that relies on banners mostly.)

So, the 'reconfiguring' you refer to to find a way to fit four archive 'slices' onto one machine at the new facility. Only taking up a quarter of the space will be significant cost savings to us, and is really the only realisitic way to get the old archives back. Please bear with us. I am not on the team that is responsible for this, but I know they are working hard to bring the archives back in a manageable format.

Also, I invite people to actually take a look at our product pages (the "Precision Buying Service") next time you want to buy something online. It really is neat... we have decent coverage in books, music, computers and other good stuff, and thousands of merchants, and approaching millions of price/availibility links. The VAST MAJORITY of these merchants did NOT pay to be on our site -- we simply 'crawled' their site to grab prices. It's a service for you to help you find the lowest price. We don't sell anything. No, the service isn't perfect and never will be, but we invite you to take a look at what we offer before dismissing it out of hand. A lot of people believe in it and worked hard to bring it about.

thank you for your time, a Deja.com development monkey

Once you learn the absolute basics (ls, cat, etc.) and you know what you want to do with your system, but don't know where to go from there I always find usenet to be the place to look. More than likely someone else has had the same problem as you and a quick search on Deja will usually turn up something. If your search fails to turn up anything relavent you can post your own question. The people on usenet seem quite knowledgable about the questions and they'll probably do thier best to help you out.

In my experience usenet is the best place to look for tech help. It's too bad that so many people who are on the internet don't even know what usenet is! (Some would argue that's a good thing though)

Try Deja News Classic. (Yes moderators, this is -1, Redundant)
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it's fast loading pages are a big bonus to modem users but they deserve to be sucessful.

Yes, they do, but do you want to see them turn into another (ugh) deja?

OT: I'm disgusted I can't search new prior to 1999, is there another site with USENET news archives, back 5 years?

Vote Naked 2000

Try deja.com/=dnc/. Works much better.
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Oh yeah, don't you just love the shop button on netscape and all the crap in the bookmarks? Looks like gnome desktop will start to remind the deja portal slowly...

Sorry matey but that's a bunch of arse. Freeserve do offer an off-peak unmetered scheme via BT Surftime (limited to weekends and 6pm-8am) but their peak/off-peak (ie. any time of day) unmetered scheme is via Energis.

With Unlimited Freeserve Time (the Energis service) you pay a minimum of 10 pounds per month. As well as getting unlimited Internet usage, you can also make long distance voice/fax calls at a discount up to your 10 quid (if you want to make more, you can, but you pay extra).

Unlimited Freeserve Time has the following restrictions:

• All internet calls via this service are disconnected after 2 hours even if you're in the middle of a huge download. Which is what the godess created resumable download managers for. You can redial and get straight back on instantly, but you'll have a new dynamic IP address.
• It's for modems and 64kbps ISDN only. You can't multilink devices, so if you're using ISDN you can't use 128kbps (you can't even multilink one unmetered 64kbps channel to another pay-per-minute 64kbps channel). Multilink was originally supported, but was dropped last month.
• You must have a BT phone/ISDN line (even though the call routing is via Energis- but you don't need a SurfTime upgraded exchange, any exchange will do).

Yup, I'd hardly call that "unlimited" either, but it's good enough for me- my 'phone bill has gone down from 80 quid a month + rental to 10 quid + rental in one fell swoop. Neat.

Combine a 64kbps ISDN line, Unlimited Freeserve Time, auto-redialling software and a dynamic domain name plus a bit of socket/port wizardry and you too can remote control your PC from the office or run FTP/web servers etc.

Readers might like to know that the NTL offering, unlike Freeserve, doesn't support ISDN at all, not even 64kbps.

Find out more on freeserve.help.isdn .

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Sorry matey but that's a bunch of arse. Freeserve do offer an off-peak unmetered scheme via BT Surftime (limited to weekends and 6pm-8am) but their peak/off-peak (ie. any time of day) unmetered scheme is via Energis.

With Unlimited Freeserve Time (the Energis service) you pay a minimum of 10 pounds per month. As well as getting unlimited Internet usage, you can also make long distance voice/fax calls at a discount up to your 10 quid (if you want to make more, you can, but you pay extra).

Unlimited Freeserve Time has the following restrictions:

• All internet calls via this service are disconnected after 2 hours even if you're in the middle of a huge download. Which is what the godess created resumable download managers for. You can redial and get straight back on instantly, but you'll have a new dynamic IP address.
• It's for modems and 64kbps ISDN only. You can't multilink devices, so if you're using ISDN you can't use 128kbps (you can't even multilink one unmetered 64kbps channel to another pay-per-minute 64kbps channel). Multilink was originally supported, but was dropped last month.
• You must have a BT phone/ISDN line (even though the call routing is via Energis- but you don't need a SurfTime upgraded exchange, any exchange will do).

Yup, I'd hardly call that "unlimited" either, but it's good enough for me- my 'phone bill has gone down from 80 quid a month + rental to 10 quid + rental in one fell swoop. Neat.

Combine a 64kbps ISDN line, Unlimited Freeserve Time, auto-redialling software and a dynamic domain name plus a bit of socket/port wizardry and you too can remote control your PC from the office or run FTP/web servers etc.

Readers might like to know that the NTL offering, unlike Freeserve, doesn't support ISDN at all, not even 64kbps.

Find out more on freeserve.help.isdn .

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This was covered on comp.arch.embedded recently: One common comment was to ask if engineering jobs are so hard to get that you really need to go through this?

Look here

Info on the DSL service

DSLreport.com has some good customer reviews of SBC DSL, people should read that too.

Unfortunately, I can't find anything on the SBC site about a cap. I'm going to try scanning DejaNews

I investigated using Interbase for one of my projects and came away with the distinct impression that the project was in upheaval.

Sign I:
My application needed to access the DB using ODBC, it turned out that the person writing the ODBC drivers (the original inventor of Interbase) refused to finish because Inprise welched on releasing as much of Interbase as they said they would. Currently there is no time frame for when ODBC drivers will be written.

Sign II:
I nprise refused to spin off Interbase into a seperate company as they originally stated and this has troubled the Interbase community.

Sign III:
Inprise was not as forthcoming with GPLing stuff as was expected.
The Queue Principle

I could only find this mention about some preparation for FreeBSD: Usenet post. I did not search for OpenBSD or NetBSD.

P.S. Has anyone else had trouble with Deja's power search? It won't recognize group searching, and it refuses to sort by date.

Christ, who the heck monitors ask slashdot for articles to post?

(And who's idea was it for the lameness filter to look at the subject for "First ever slashdot rant"? Why don't you go for the penis birds or something. Of course, you could just have the lameness filter automoderate down a post rather than just disallow it all-together. Nah, we all want to be small dictators telling everyone else what is "cool")

I've submitted what I would consider very valid questions that get rejected (I REALLY wish there was a reason line for why an article was rejected, something to think about as a needed feature IMHO) while a question that is very similar, but is almost worthless to me because of the slight differences, gets posted less than a week later.

Of course, then we have crap like this. This is an extremely old chestnut on usenet and all sorts of websites have been put up addressing it. Even a slight amount of actual work to research the issues would have turned up a few dozen articles that are much better than any of the responses given so far.

I know, why don't you go to Deja News and look for usenet articles with the title D3D vs OpenGL (Or opengl vs d3d) that constantly get regurtitated every 2-3 weeks from someone new asking this exact same question without _looking_ to see if it is answered anywhere. I'd be willing to even bet this is in the opengl faq (Though I'm not looking in it to find out, I just think it's a safe bet.) Go to the faq repository and look for comp.graphics.api.opengl (or was it graphics.programming.api.opengl?).

Several months ago I saw that Deja.com was not providing an open access to Usenet and programmed a solution for it. My project is hosted at sourceforge..

My girlfriend has started a company for it and we now try to keep this free service in operation. Our operational costs are $90/month and we need a few daily visitor to break even. The advertisement income would cover our hosting cost. The advertisements are not yet on-line, but will need to be soon.

In the spirit of Open Source the full Usenet archives can also be downloaded.

Check out the open source usenet archive. If you would like to contribute source code to this Open SOurce project, or want to run your own deja.com-like server, please send me and e-mail.

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It's sad to see RemarQ gone, but we'll always have Deja, which has been there from the very beginning. Some say their archives go back to the early 90s, when civilization was just emerging from the stone-age BBS era and into the Bronze age (aka 'Usenet')

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Kiro

You know, when I first read this, I sat wondering about it. We at TOTK.com Sports run a great Web site, The Rodman Archive, which archives online content about Dennis Rodman. Much of the older archives -- about Dennis with some of his older teams -- are no longer available online. As many of you know, this is pretty common practice -- even Deja had to dump its online storage of NNTP for a short period of time.

In some ways, what we do is the same that Abandonware does -- if any publishing entity asks us to take down the content, we do so happily and willingly. Most of our readers consider it a great service -- they can watch the progression (and regression) of Rodzilla's career in the words of the nation's sportswriters.

But what we're publishing is content. What Abandonware pirates publish is code. I've got to wonder where you draw the fuzzy gray line -- between content and code, or to either side, right or wrong?

Why do I say that? I think the pirates are wrong, and that we are right. But that's damned petty.

Comments welcome and encouraged.

wrighty.
(this *is* getting OT :)

The most relevant bit of this discussion was a post from one of the Tivo engineers: All our source modifications are available on CD. You may acquire a CD by sending $24.95 to: TiVo, Inc. Attn: Richard Bullwinkle 894 Ross Drive Sunnyvale, CA 94089 We state so in our manual, as required by the GNU Public License.