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You have to be on mailing lists so you know as soon as a sec update is out. Being on BugTrac and SecFocus is recommended too, but AT LEAST be on lists for daeons or things like this you're running!

The original troller isn't doing anything but spouting uninformed trash:

a) the project is open source -- why would they need to put forth money to find and secure holes? They do it on a regular basis as it is (and as was proven by the patch available on 6/29)

b) they obviously have no idea what they are talking about when they mention the 10k donated (see this post) as it's *all* going to the backend servers.

I may be pro-Drupal but I'm certainly not doing it because I'm a parrot. At least my post was based on researched facts.

It's really not too hard, but there is a learning curve to understanding the "Drupal" way. We did make some changes to core Drupal code, but that was more us not yet grasping the best way to make changes.

What is the best way? Customizing Drupal through the use of modules. We wrote a few new modules for locations and maps and hacked a few others for groups and users.

We spent about 3 months customizing Drupal. However, the task was made more complex because we had to integrate it with our existing JSP site and existing database.

Read the Customizing and Developing links to learn all you need to know.

Drupal http://www.drupal.org/ is a content management system http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Content_management_sy stem and runs on a computer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer. It is written in PHP http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PHP which you can read more about here http://www.php.nt/.

Slashdot has now become "News for wannabe nerds".

Try Drupal [http://drupal.org/%5D it is simple but powerfull CMS/Blog system. With easy user interface (at least I think so) and writen very well (meaning code) - it is clean, object oriented mostly, and modular. The tarball is just half megabyte.

Or maybe go with MediaWiki [http://wikipedia.sourceforge.net/%5D it is the engine behind WikiPedia - it uses simple wiki markup, supports images, stories and stuff. Also it has access control, revision control etc. - it should be suitable for such tasks.

And to be honest dont go with anythink with *nuke in name - this is spaghetti code shit. It is very awful for me. Unclean, not modular.

Can't go wrong with Drupal, except for the fact that they are temporarily offline.

http://drupal.org/

http://drupal.org/

Drupal, an open source content management platform.

Equipped with a powerful blend of features, Drupal can support a variety of websites ranging from personal weblogs to large community-driven websites.

• It's modular, so the base install is pretty lightweight, but you can add a lot of features. Activating a module is usually as simple as untar'ing it into a directory and switching it on, and maybe running a SQL script.
• Granular user controls. Permissions and interface can be configured at a pretty fine level, so they only see what they need to see. It's easy to have multiple authors on the same site. Also easy to limit content for anonymous users.
• Supports all the stuff you mentioned, either natively, or through native-looking modules. (i.e. you don't need to integrate Gallery).
• Great admin interface. Lots of options are exposed, more than I've ever seen.
• Active and large community... 'nuff said.

I mean, what type of computer costs 3000? You can get a good rackmount for $1200. Usually, all it takes to host a website is a high end desktop at up to $950.

Many computers cost $3000 and up. I've seen rackmount machines from HP, Dell and Sun all cost way more than $3000.

Mostly it depends on what their uses are. If they are just using it to host their website they probably don't need much of a server, if they are using that server as a development/test platform as well I'm sure it would be helpful to have a somewhat bigger machine. Actually, from their site:

Currently, drupal.org runs on a shared server paid for and maintained by Kjartan. The server is a single Pentium Xeon 3Ghz with 1 GB of RAM. There are about 20 sites running on the server, including some of our sites like http://drupal.org/, http://drupaldocs.org/ and http://cvs.drupal.org/. In addition to the websites, the server hosts our mailing lists, mailing list archives and CVS repositories. Last month, drupal.org alone served more than 3 million pages for 100 Gb of traffic (this does not include any of the other sites or services; non Drupal websites, Drupal mailing list traffic, etc).

Where I work we run HP DL380 machines, which is not really a high end server. Base price on those is $2899. In a perfect world, that would be about the class of server I would want to run a site like Drupal has.

I mean, what type of computer costs 3000? You can get a good rackmount for $1200. Usually, all it takes to host a website is a high end desktop at up to $950.

Many computers cost $3000 and up. I've seen rackmount machines from HP, Dell and Sun all cost way more than $3000.

Mostly it depends on what their uses are. If they are just using it to host their website they probably don't need much of a server, if they are using that server as a development/test platform as well I'm sure it would be helpful to have a somewhat bigger machine. Actually, from their site:

Currently, drupal.org runs on a shared server paid for and maintained by Kjartan. The server is a single Pentium Xeon 3Ghz with 1 GB of RAM. There are about 20 sites running on the server, including some of our sites like http://drupal.org/, http://drupaldocs.org/ and http://cvs.drupal.org/. In addition to the websites, the server hosts our mailing lists, mailing list archives and CVS repositories. Last month, drupal.org alone served more than 3 million pages for 100 Gb of traffic (this does not include any of the other sites or services; non Drupal websites, Drupal mailing list traffic, etc).

Where I work we run HP DL380 machines, which is not really a high end server. Base price on those is $2899. In a perfect world, that would be about the class of server I would want to run a site like Drupal has.

Drupal is a Content Management System, like slashCode, or Mambo.

They have a VERY large folowing, so im assuming they will hit the $3k soon. (following is a summary of the page you cant hit)

They took their server down to make physical upgrades three days ago, and when their server was brought back up, it wasnt quite right, now it dosnt work at all, and their host isnt responding to them (bad host).

They need the $$ so they can buy a decient server to colo w/ OSL.

Dear friends and supporters of Drupal,

Quite a few people have pointed out that drupal.org has been slow lately. We know it's been slow, and have been working on optimizing Drupal.org; adding new features to help keep (evil) crawlers out, fine tuning MySQL and Apache, etc. The fact remains that as the result of Drupal's growing popularity, the server is saturated pretty much all day. This explains drupal.org's poor performance.

To make a long story short, our current server doesn't cut it anymore. Our unprecedented growth in traffic requires more and better hardware. To buy a new server we need your help to raise $3000 USD. Read more about the details below, or just click the Paypal donation button on the right.
Where we are now

Currently, drupal.org runs on a shared server paid for and maintained by Kjartan. The server is a single Pentium Xeon 3Ghz with 1 GB of RAM. There are about 20 sites running on the server, including some of our sites like http://drupal.org/, http://drupaldocs.org/ and http://cvs.drupal.org/. In addition to the websites, the server hosts our mailing lists, mailing list archives and CVS repositories. Last month, drupal.org alone served more than 3 million pages for 100 Gb of traffic (this does not include any of the other sites or services; non Drupal websites, Drupal mailing list traffic, etc).
What we have planned

In the few past weeks we have been talking to the Open Source Lab (OSL) at Oregon State University and they generously offered to provide free rack space, free bandwidth, free power, free backup facilities and onsite support. Scott Kveton, Associate Director of the Open Source Lab, explains:

"The OSL currently hosts several open source projects such as Mozilla, Gentoo, Debian, Freenode and the Apache Software Foundation. The hosting we do is to help facilitate projects as they grow and leverage an economy of scale by hosting them all in the same facilities. The services hosted at the OSL currently touch well over 20 million unique visitors a day and growing at a phenomenal rate.

As part of the hosting we do here, we offer other services such as DNS, database, backups, mail relay etc to the community to free up their hardware to do the "main thing" for their project. We have offered up rack space, bandwidth, power and our "smart hands" service to the Drupal project because we want to help a great project that is having a significant community meeting one of our goals; enabling communities."

In order to take advantage of this generous offer, we need to supply our own server.
What we need to get there

We would like to buy a Dell PowerEdge 1850 1U (or equivalent hardware) with two Pentium 2.8Ghz Xeon CPUs, at least 2 GB RAM and two 70+ GB SCSI disks with a RAID controller. The total cost of such hardware is approximately $3000 USD ... and this is where we need your help . It is time for us to move to a new home.

Once we have collected enough money to buy a new server, we'll get it to OSL's data center, and we'll move the Drupal sites and services from the current server to the new server. At the same time, we hope to grow our team of server administrators, as well as extend the services we offer to the community. Things we plan to provide include a subversion mirror, an infrastructure for nightly tests, and so on.
How we are doing this

As many of you know, Drupal does not currently have a non-profit or foundation status. We are working on this and discussing with other large Open Source projects how they have handled it themselves. This will help in determining what will be best for us. No matter what we decide, filling out forms and filing paperwork will take time and money. Time we don't have.

Currently all funds are held by Dries so the equipment purchased will also

Dear friends and supporters of Drupal,

Quite a few people have pointed out that drupal.org has been slow lately. We know it's been slow, and have been working on optimizing Drupal.org; adding new features to help keep (evil) crawlers out, fine tuning MySQL and Apache, etc. The fact remains that as the result of Drupal's growing popularity, the server is saturated pretty much all day. This explains drupal.org's poor performance.

To make a long story short, our current server doesn't cut it anymore. Our unprecedented growth in traffic requires more and better hardware. To buy a new server we need your help to raise $3000 USD. Read more about the details below, or just click the Paypal donation button on the right.
Where we are now

Currently, drupal.org runs on a shared server paid for and maintained by Kjartan. The server is a single Pentium Xeon 3Ghz with 1 GB of RAM. There are about 20 sites running on the server, including some of our sites like http://drupal.org/, http://drupaldocs.org/ and http://cvs.drupal.org/. In addition to the websites, the server hosts our mailing lists, mailing list archives and CVS repositories. Last month, drupal.org alone served more than 3 million pages for 100 Gb of traffic (this does not include any of the other sites or services; non Drupal websites, Drupal mailing list traffic, etc).
What we have planned

In the few past weeks we have been talking to the Open Source Lab (OSL) at Oregon State University and they generously offered to provide free rack space, free bandwidth, free power, free backup facilities and onsite support. Scott Kveton, Associate Director of the Open Source Lab, explains:

"The OSL currently hosts several open source projects such as Mozilla, Gentoo, Debian, Freenode and the Apache Software Foundation. The hosting we do is to help facilitate projects as they grow and leverage an economy of scale by hosting them all in the same facilities. The services hosted at the OSL currently touch well over 20 million unique visitors a day and growing at a phenomenal rate.

As part of the hosting we do here, we offer other services such as DNS, database, backups, mail relay etc to the community to free up their hardware to do the "main thing" for their project. We have offered up rack space, bandwidth, power and our "smart hands" service to the Drupal project because we want to help a great project that is having a significant community meeting one of our goals; enabling communities."

In order to take advantage of this generous offer, we need to supply our own server.
What we need to get there

We would like to buy a Dell PowerEdge 1850 1U (or equivalent hardware) with two Pentium 2.8Ghz Xeon CPUs, at least 2 GB RAM and two 70+ GB SCSI disks with a RAID controller. The total cost of such hardware is approximately $3000 USD ... and this is where we need your help . It is time for us to move to a new home.

Once we have collected enough money to buy a new server, we'll get it to OSL's data center, and we'll move the Drupal sites and services from the current server to the new server. At the same time, we hope to grow our team of server administrators, as well as extend the services we offer to the community. Things we plan to provide include a subversion mirror, an infrastructure for nightly tests, and so on.
How we are doing this

As many of you know, Drupal does not currently have a non-profit or foundation status. We are working on this and discussing with other large Open Source projects how they have handled it themselves. This will help in determining what will be best for us. No matter what we decide, filling out forms and filing paperwork will take time and money. Time we don't have.

Currently all funds are held by Dries so the equipment purchased will also

Donorge is another open source service for funding projects.

It uses Drupal for its web site and infrastructure (Drupal's web site is down at the moment, so try later).

Use a content managment system, that has modular extensions, such as Mambo, XOOPS, Drupal, or the like.

I don't know of a particular module out there, that would fulfill your requierements, but I do know that a combination of modules would definetly achieve it.

You can always create your own module, by extending an existing. I believe this will be your best bet.

Dud, you got your link wrong. http://drupal.org.

Um, his link has a typo. This will work better.

At the risk of turning this into a CMS flamefest, you should check out Drupal (http://drupal.org/). Not only is it a top-of-the-line Open Source CMS, but customizing it and creating your own modules is more straight-forward and more powerful than with Mambo. Mambo gives you a better package out of the box, though, as long as you're trying to build a site that it comes pre-configured to handle.

Drupal is the base for spreadfirefox.com as well as many other sites. It's a great base from which to build many things.

And while we're on the subject, no discussion about OSS CMS is complete without mentioning Typo3 (http://www.typo3.com/). It's extremely powerful and entirely too complex for most people. If you want ultimate flexibility and are willing to work, Typo3 is probably the best solution around. Just be prepared to spend a couple months learning how to make it do what you want.

Actually, I've been happy with the Tiger server, except for one little glitch. Apple Remote Desktop seems to lock up my server to the point where the server would stop responding to ANY requests. Once that thing got turned off, I haven't rebooted it yet. I don't know, I feel that ARD 2.2 has more bugs in it than ARD 2.1 (which has been rock solid for me). To bad I can't downgrade in Tiger (ARD 2.2 comes in by default).

Other than that, it runs my Drupal powered weblog very well (on a 350mhz iMac no less, installation was a bitch due to the fact my iMac didn't have a DVD drive).

PHP is a horrible language. Even perl is a better programming language. Java and Python blow it away in ability to create easy to maintain and efficient data structures. I'm amazed and fearful of the monstrosities that have been cobbled together with PHP (I'm talking about you Mediawiki and Drupal).

PHP is to web programming as x86 is to microprocessor architecture. It's nasty and inefficient and I can't figure out why so many people use it.

And like many other no-declaration scripting languages PHP is sorely lacking in warnings and errors. Forgot a dollarsign or typoed your variable name? Sorry, yer screwed!

To let you know where I'm coming from, Apache Tomcat is my favorite solution. But it seems that the project I most want to tinker with is Scoop and I'm finding mod_perl pretty workable and the way they architected that giant mass of perl is pretty reasonable.
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eGroupWare might do the trick. Especially since you didn't mention CMS as a need. Otherwise I would throw Drupal out there, too.

Drupal has much better cases and examples that that list, though. Do not be misguided by what you see in that list. The best Drupal sites do no seem to use that module to appear in that list.

Drupal has a page for powered by X buttons, but that is about it, no one is considered a bad person or so, if he does not mention Drupal. As it stands, Drupal is alreaady ranked very high in Google; no need for special programs to increase the ranking.

see list of site /.ers know. Because the followed a link from /., saw the site, didnt care to read it and posted a comment on slash anyway abut the site.

At least I have "read" drupal ;-)

The Drupal website has a list of sites running Drupal. The list is dynamically generated by one of the Drupal modules. Any site that enables this module appears almost immediately. Pretty good for improving your search engine ranking.

I am the submitter of the article and here is the correct text. It was fine when I submitted it.

kbahey writes " Most Slashdotters know Dan Gillmor from his San Jose Mercury days, with lots of article on technology over the years, from the dot-com era down to now. As has been rumored before, Dan has left the SJ Mercury to found a "grass roots journalism" project. Well, it is here, and called the Bayosphere. The site is powered by Drupal, an open source Content Management System. Jay Campbell, Dan's Technologist, writes about why they chose Drupal. "

Well, this happened very early on when I was still actively working on the theme. I had Josh Jarmin step up and do a great job on the CSS but then I couldn't find anyone to work on the Drupal Image Gallery module.

I am working on rewriting the Spread Firefox theme for CivicSpace 0.8.1, so that will hopefully address some of the problems that folks have reported about the theme.

Well, this happened very early on when I was still actively working on the theme. I had Josh Jarmin step up and do a great job on the CSS but then I couldn't find anyone to work on the Drupal Image Gallery module.

I am working on rewriting the Spread Firefox theme for CivicSpace 0.8.1, so that will hopefully address some of the problems that folks have reported about the theme.

why every one is using Movable Type. I know it is best know out there but is not the only one even after bait and switch tactic See Netcraft

Other are very good tested e.g. Drupal at Spread Firefox

http://blogs.businessweek.com/mt/mt-check.cgi
http://blogs.redhat.com/cgi-bin/mt-check.cgi

Drupal requirements

For a while I've been looking at different CMSs to use with my site, and the one which consistently came to the foreground as the easiest and possibly the best option for a community-driven (i.e. with forums and other means of user activity/feedback) CMS in discussions, is XOOPS.

Just now browsing through the Drupal site, I'm left totally unimpressed by the forums and general features their own site seems to offer, not to mention that the screenshot gallery appears to have some CSS issues with Firefox.

It's amazing what can be done with a powerful CMS!

I'm a fan of Drupal myself; I moved to this platform from WordPress after becoming dissatisfied with WordPress's software (as opposed to payback for spammy transgressions).

This is the way Drupal works, and why it is so powerful.

If you need ecommerce, or any web application for that matter, then there is no point in starting from scratch.

There are plenty of platforms or frameworks out there that you can build on.

My own favorite is Drupal which is not just a Content Management System, but rather an open framework.

For example, some creative guy wrote an Ecommerce set of modules for Drupal, so it can do just that.

If you need ecommerce, or any web application for that matter, then there is no point in starting from scratch.

There are plenty of platforms or frameworks out there that you can build on.

My own favorite is Drupal which is not just a Content Management System, but rather an open framework.

For example, some creative guy wrote an Ecommerce set of modules for Drupal, so it can do just that.

Drupal does feature caching. You can read up on it at their site

drupal is more than a php based blog, I have been using it since 4 years and I like to think of it as an application framework than can act as a blogserver as myblog is. Drupal was described as community plumbing but now "simpley" is an
" ...open source content management platform.

Out of the box it can do a lot, has clean code, a really cool development and support community and lots of high profile (read: often slashdotted) sites are hosted on drupal such as kerneltrap and spreadfirefox

Drupal is on the forfront of technology. It was one of the first to use real taxanomy, clean URL's and distributed authentication.
The name drupal? That is another story

drupal is more than a php based blog, I have been using it since 4 years and I like to think of it as an application framework than can act as a blogserver as myblog is. Drupal was described as community plumbing but now "simpley" is an
" ...open source content management platform.

Out of the box it can do a lot, has clean code, a really cool development and support community and lots of high profile (read: often slashdotted) sites are hosted on drupal such as kerneltrap and spreadfirefox

Drupal is on the forfront of technology. It was one of the first to use real taxanomy, clean URL's and distributed authentication.
The name drupal? That is another story

drupal is more than a php based blog, I have been using it since 4 years and I like to think of it as an application framework than can act as a blogserver as myblog is. Drupal was described as community plumbing but now "simpley" is an
" ...open source content management platform.

Out of the box it can do a lot, has clean code, a really cool development and support community and lots of high profile (read: often slashdotted) sites are hosted on drupal such as kerneltrap and spreadfirefox

Drupal is on the forfront of technology. It was one of the first to use real taxanomy, clean URL's and distributed authentication.
The name drupal? That is another story

You may want to consider Drupal for web/intranet/extranet needs.

http://www.drupal.org/

lots of modules, active devs, php and free.

Just so everyone knows, both sites run Drupal, an open source content management system (CMS) that is written in PHP and runs on *NIX flavors, Windows, PostrgreSQL and MySQL.

Check the other sites they've done. See if they look like something you could use. Ask the other companies if they were good to work with.

See how much experience they have. If one of their developers is an active participant in a Free software project of some sort, that's a good sign.

Finally, sacrifice a chicken and mutter an incantation from the darkest magick of Voodou. The project will go over-time, over-buget, and will be atrociously broken in unexpected ways. The only way to avoid this for any non-trivial system is to pay a lot of money, or do something highly derivative.

I wouldn't bother with trying to measure which language/technique is "best". They're all good and bad in different ways. I myself like PHP because it's easy and fast, and if I get hit by a bus there are gobs of people who can spend a week looking at the code and pick up where I left off.

Check out Drupal. You might find it to be a perfect fit for you. I use it almost exclusively as it's very powerful and very easy--and very fast, incidentally. I'm not so thrilled about a few things--that it uses the database as a less-dangerous filesystem and not as a true RDBMS, mostly because of a MySQL mindset; that some of the modules (image.module) requires a Web server-writable directory--but by and large it solves 90% of the problems and isn't as difficult to use as Zope/Plone.

Sounds like a job for Drupal!

The site allows for the community to create and edit its own content. A simple voting system is in place to make sure the content that makes it into the handbook is of the highest quality. This is something that has been needed for some time and the idea of being able to edit our own material is really nice. A very unique project.

Actually, it's not unique.

The content mangement appears to be Drupal with a modified Marvin 2k theme.

Drupal has had these features forever.

Move along now.

The site allows for the community to create and edit its own content. A simple voting system is in place to make sure the content that makes it into the handbook is of the highest quality. This is something that has been needed for some time and the idea of being able to edit our own material is really nice. A very unique project.

Actually, it's not unique.

The content mangement appears to be Drupal with a modified Marvin 2k theme.

Drupal has had these features forever.

Move along now.

being able to have a different template for the main index page

That could very well be true. Again, I'm not entirely sure what requirements your site has, and I haven't had the need to do this myself. Some other suggested Drupal, which looks as if it does what you describe.

Give Drupal a try. It is very customizable, and you should be able to configure it to do whatever you would like.

It is the CMS behind Spread Firefox

Surely the problem is, Dreamweaver doesn't help enough with the task of managing a large site; a proper CMS is much better (and, of course, also 'automates the repetitive stuff', generally more than a tool like Dreamweaver). I'm surprised to see Dreamweaver still being used; it's used for the intranet where work, for example, making it both a pain to update the site (all changes have to be sent to the Dreamweaver-using 'web team', rather than being managed over the intranet by the people who create them) and impossible to automate (we currently have to manually maintain an index of documents by keyword).

Drupal takes about a morning to install, and would solve both these problems.

All that's needed is a decent design to be built into one piece blogging software. A few people are working on it for Drupal. Once one popular blogging tool has a simple and elegant solution others will adopt it, just like trackbacks.

Personally I think the central server(s) should use something like WordNet to determine common synonyms based on context and build from there. I think the fact that the keywords come from so many people is a good thing. Instead of a few people thinking hard about how to organize, general concensus will help it work itself out, especially as it become much more popular.