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Yea, they don't call him "Slick Willie" for nothing. Clinton Body Count.

Here ya go, buddy. [indymedia.org]

Jews did 9-11
by Jews did 9-11 Wednesday, Jul. 02, 2003 at 10:38 PM

The basis for this website is the paranoia that the U.S. Government itself brought down the towers.

No. Actually, Jews did it. To fool Americans into fighting Israel's enemies. Simple as that.

Congratulations. You got trolled by a 5 year old GNAA meme. In fact, it's so famous now that it's even listed as a commonly recurring troll in the Slashdot Trolling article on wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slashdot_trolling_phe nomena#Anti-semitism

Good job on that.

Here are some really vicious anti-Semitic articles that must've slipped under your radar, all of which are considered legitimate news by Google:

Anti-Globalism site expounds on the Protocols of the Elders of Zion:
http://www.etherzone.com/2006/mako052206.shtml [etherzone.com]

And this site is "liberal" how:

http://www.etherzone.com/2006/daley052506.shtml
http://www.etherzone.com/2006/lieb052506.shtml

Jews control everything, including the U.S. presidency
http://www.kanglaonline.com/index.php?template=ksh ow&kid=712 [kanglaonline.com]

I fail to see how this anti-semetic. Do you call every claim about Judaism and its influence that you disagree with "anti-semetic"? Because, you know, just because a claim is unsupported or incorrect doesn't make it "anti-semetic". Typical right-winger, can't refute claims he disagrees with, so he just slaps down the "YOU HATE TEH JEWS!!!!" comments instead. What's REALLY pathetic is that to refute the claims like "you have to have Jewish support to be President" you could say "prove it". Too bad you couldn't think far enough ahead of your emtpy, slanderous rhetoric to get to that thought.

Protocols of Zion are real; Jews conspire to take over world.
http://www.indymedia.org/en/2004/06/854426.shtml [indymedia.org]

Same as above. You claim that the statements are invalid, but you can't refute them, so you just slap down the anti-semetism label and hope nobody actually reads the document you're decrying. Typical.

Since you apparently don't know what anti-semetism is, would you like me to send you a dictionary? Because, you know, decrying portions of a religion isn't anti-semetic. In fact, you appear to be of the opinion that unless you agree unconditionally with every single facet of Judaism and Jewish culture, you're an anti-semite. Typical right-winger. No substance, just has to try and degrade everybody else on the hopes that nobody will listen to them.

Anti-Semitic; it's the new progressive.

Immediately calling everybody you disagree with anti-semetic: It's the new conservative.

But, hey, who can blame you? Since you have no actual points to make, and no intelligent opinions, you latched onto something that nobody who's PC would ever disagree with. I mean, considering what happened in the Holocaust, who would dare defend someone from anti-semetism charges, no matter how invalid the charges are, right?

And you STILL ha

Here ya go, buddy. [indymedia.org]

Jews did 9-11
by Jews did 9-11 Wednesday, Jul. 02, 2003 at 10:38 PM

The basis for this website is the paranoia that the U.S. Government itself brought down the towers.

No. Actually, Jews did it. To fool Americans into fighting Israel's enemies. Simple as that.

Congratulations. You got trolled by a 5 year old GNAA meme. In fact, it's so famous now that it's even listed as a commonly recurring troll in the Slashdot Trolling article on wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slashdot_trolling_phe nomena#Anti-semitism

Good job on that.

Here are some really vicious anti-Semitic articles that must've slipped under your radar, all of which are considered legitimate news by Google:

Anti-Globalism site expounds on the Protocols of the Elders of Zion:
http://www.etherzone.com/2006/mako052206.shtml [etherzone.com]

And this site is "liberal" how:

http://www.etherzone.com/2006/daley052506.shtml
http://www.etherzone.com/2006/lieb052506.shtml

Jews control everything, including the U.S. presidency
http://www.kanglaonline.com/index.php?template=ksh ow&kid=712 [kanglaonline.com]

I fail to see how this anti-semetic. Do you call every claim about Judaism and its influence that you disagree with "anti-semetic"? Because, you know, just because a claim is unsupported or incorrect doesn't make it "anti-semetic". Typical right-winger, can't refute claims he disagrees with, so he just slaps down the "YOU HATE TEH JEWS!!!!" comments instead. What's REALLY pathetic is that to refute the claims like "you have to have Jewish support to be President" you could say "prove it". Too bad you couldn't think far enough ahead of your emtpy, slanderous rhetoric to get to that thought.

Protocols of Zion are real; Jews conspire to take over world.
http://www.indymedia.org/en/2004/06/854426.shtml [indymedia.org]

Same as above. You claim that the statements are invalid, but you can't refute them, so you just slap down the anti-semetism label and hope nobody actually reads the document you're decrying. Typical.

Since you apparently don't know what anti-semetism is, would you like me to send you a dictionary? Because, you know, decrying portions of a religion isn't anti-semetic. In fact, you appear to be of the opinion that unless you agree unconditionally with every single facet of Judaism and Jewish culture, you're an anti-semite. Typical right-winger. No substance, just has to try and degrade everybody else on the hopes that nobody will listen to them.

Anti-Semitic; it's the new progressive.

Immediately calling everybody you disagree with anti-semetic: It's the new conservative.

But, hey, who can blame you? Since you have no actual points to make, and no intelligent opinions, you latched onto something that nobody who's PC would ever disagree with. I mean, considering what happened in the Holocaust, who would dare defend someone from anti-semetism charges, no matter how invalid the charges are, right?

And you STILL ha

Here ya go, buddy. [indymedia.org]

Jews did 9-11
by Jews did 9-11 Wednesday, Jul. 02, 2003 at 10:38 PM

The basis for this website is the paranoia that the U.S. Government itself brought down the towers.

No. Actually, Jews did it. To fool Americans into fighting Israel's enemies. Simple as that.

Congratulations. You got trolled by a 5 year old GNAA meme. In fact, it's so famous now that it's even listed as a commonly recurring troll in the Slashdot Trolling article on wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slashdot_trolling_phe nomena#Anti-semitism

Good job on that.

Here are some really vicious anti-Semitic articles that must've slipped under your radar, all of which are considered legitimate news by Google:

Anti-Globalism site expounds on the Protocols of the Elders of Zion:
http://www.etherzone.com/2006/mako052206.shtml [etherzone.com]

And this site is "liberal" how:

http://www.etherzone.com/2006/daley052506.shtml
http://www.etherzone.com/2006/lieb052506.shtml

Jews control everything, including the U.S. presidency
http://www.kanglaonline.com/index.php?template=ksh ow&kid=712 [kanglaonline.com]

I fail to see how this anti-semetic. Do you call every claim about Judaism and its influence that you disagree with "anti-semetic"? Because, you know, just because a claim is unsupported or incorrect doesn't make it "anti-semetic". Typical right-winger, can't refute claims he disagrees with, so he just slaps down the "YOU HATE TEH JEWS!!!!" comments instead. What's REALLY pathetic is that to refute the claims like "you have to have Jewish support to be President" you could say "prove it". Too bad you couldn't think far enough ahead of your emtpy, slanderous rhetoric to get to that thought.

Protocols of Zion are real; Jews conspire to take over world.
http://www.indymedia.org/en/2004/06/854426.shtml [indymedia.org]

Same as above. You claim that the statements are invalid, but you can't refute them, so you just slap down the anti-semetism label and hope nobody actually reads the document you're decrying. Typical.

Since you apparently don't know what anti-semetism is, would you like me to send you a dictionary? Because, you know, decrying portions of a religion isn't anti-semetic. In fact, you appear to be of the opinion that unless you agree unconditionally with every single facet of Judaism and Jewish culture, you're an anti-semite. Typical right-winger. No substance, just has to try and degrade everybody else on the hopes that nobody will listen to them.

Anti-Semitic; it's the new progressive.

Immediately calling everybody you disagree with anti-semetic: It's the new conservative.

But, hey, who can blame you? Since you have no actual points to make, and no intelligent opinions, you latched onto something that nobody who's PC would ever disagree with. I mean, considering what happened in the Holocaust, who would dare defend someone from anti-semetism charges, no matter how invalid the charges are, right?

And you STILL ha

No, I'm using my eyes. If I visit LGF, I see that there are comments. They're part of the blog. There is no more argument, you're just being foolish and, as is typical of the right, trying to lie through your teeth so often that people just begin to default to believing you.

That's a poor attempt at a shout-down. When you can't support your argument, scream "Lies! Lies!" When you visit LGF, you have to click the 'comments' link, then scroll past the disclaimer to read comments. They are not visible on the main page, and not readable without seeing the disclaimer. I'm right; you're wrong. Get over it.

Cite an actual article. I'm not going to read through a whole page of Google search results just because you claim they're something that the first three I DID read aren't.

Here ya go, buddy.

Jews did 9-11
by Jews did 9-11 Wednesday, Jul. 02, 2003 at 10:38 PM

The basis for this website is the paranoia that the U.S. Government itself brought down the towers.

No. Actually, Jews did it. To fool Americans into fighting Israel's enemies. Simple as that.

Is that anti-Semitic? I get the feeling that that might be just a touch anti-Semitic, maybe I'm wrong. That's from indymedia, a leftist 'news' site which, by the way, has NO DISCLAIMER. Still accepted by Google as legitimate news.

Now, one might argue that I cherry-picked a random comment to prove my point. But you can't argue that yourself, because it would invalidate your entire argument that comments are an integral part of the site's content.

By your own argument, I've now proven that Google News will accept anti-Semitic trash from leftist pages when it should be kicking them, too. But Google won't, because Google is biased against conservative news sources, for whatever reason.

To the dailykos page: The very first sentence denies the Holocaust ever happened. The next three or four seem to be setups that the whole thing was a big, tragic misunderstanding. I'm not in the habit of reading further if the 2nd or 3rd sentence isn't something along the lines of, 'actually, it did happen'.

Here are some really vicious anti-Semitic articles that must've slipped under your radar, all of which are considered legitimate news by Google:

Anti-Globalism site expounds on the Protocols of the Elders of Zion:
http://www.etherzone.com/2006/mako052206.shtml

Jews control everything, including the U.S. presidency
http://www.kanglaonline.com/index.php?template=ksh ow&kid=712

Protocols of Zion are real; Jews conspire to take over world.
http://www.indymedia.org/en/2004/06/854426.shtml

Anti-Semitic; it's the new progressive.

'over-inflated' == "spending more than you have"

Hype, because Americans, due to their proclivity for cults of personality and inability to dis-introvert themselves long enough to escape Club Med Nirvana and have a Real Look At The World, hyperbolically still consider theirs the greatest nation on Earth, irresponsibly, when in fact as a nation America is far, far, far less great than many others in an exceedingly expansive number of realms, such as education, agrigultural sciences, manufacturing, even 'entertainment' .. oh wait, militant mass programming of police-state-asseted inebriated peon hordes, America and its Gigantic Drug and Propaganda Apparatus is very great at that.. but in fact, the only bouyant export from the U.S., economically, is police force/forms of warfare, and we all know (those of us who were paying attention in History class) just how long police states can go before collapsing on themselves. (Hint: not very long.)

Every single one of those Shock and Awe weapons could've been used for far, far greater, peaceful purposes which would have made an awesome impact on world stability, but instead Americans allow their politicians to use its technology to destroy. [Is George W. Bush really the best America can do? Honest?]

Show me a cruise missile, and I'll show you a highly effective way of peacefully delivering a very badly needed water pump and medical supplies, to precisely where its needed, very rapidly. Show me a fleet of B52 bombers with heavy lift capabilities, and I'll show you a Dafur that didn't need to happen. 10,000 pounds of Uranium would do well to safely improve the condition of life for multiple millions of people, yet America prefers it be weaponized "just in case".

Crimes of America: Vietnam. Honduras, Nicuragua. Venezuela. Iraq "Highway of Death", Desert Storm. Afghanistan. Iraq War Two. Sure, you've got excuses for every one of these 'wars', but for every excuse to kill, there are also a hundred reasons not to kill thousands of people.

The list goes on ... And on ... And on ... (not a single Geocities link there, buddy ..)

http://www.etherzone.com/2002/fahe071502.shtml
McCain did/is not seeking re-election. So don't bother trying to oust him.

The Lies of Christopher Hitchens (...The guy who wrote The Lies of Michael Moore )

-FL

That's not necessarily true.

If you'll take a look at fine sites like this one, this one or possibly this one, you will see that there is little doubt that should Bush get re-elected, we will have, at least, a limited draft instated by early 2005. If you don't follow the other links, I suggest this one. especially if you have a 17-18 year old son OR daughter.

As to the obvious reason that this is going to happen, well you might start looking here; even though the military is basically not letting ANYONE out these days, time up or not, they aren't in my opinion going to be able to meet the numbers due to missed targets.

My word of advice (and I volunteered, was in Gulf War lite, so screw anyone who says I'm not a patriot) is that if you have a boy or girl who are in high school, and they do NOT fully support the policies of the current administration, have them drop out if Bush gets reelected; the current system doesn't take people without high school diplomas, and it'll take them awhile to change the rules.

No, it has not been ignored, it has been broken.

The 14th amendment prevents states from restricting the 'privileges or immunities of citizens' and gives congress power to enforce this.
'privileges or immunities of citizens' has been interpreted to include just about everything from abortion to religion to gay sex.
Most of what the 10th reserved to the states only is now prohibited from them. Take a good look at just about any major US Supreame Court decision. they all cite the 14th amendment this way. (Roe v wade, recent homosexualtiy ruling, religion in schools (or anywhere else) Bush's election rulling . . . . The list is huge.)
The first amendments 'congress shall make no law' became 'nobody shall make a law'. So every case involving these issues goes to the courts, and since there is no laws about them, the courts get to decide what the 'law' is. Needless to say the courts have been making a lot of dumb 'laws' for quite some time.

The goal of the 14th amendment was great, the implementation badly flawed. It needs to be repealed and replaced with something better.

Take a look here for a better description of what I am trying to say here

...you'd think all honest politicians would be working to make sure computerized voting systems are open source...

For a long time, "honest politician" has been an oxymoron, a laugh amongst the working class. Heavens, we all know there is no such thing. It was Simon Cameron in the 19th century who gave us the modern American definition of an "honest politician" --
"An honest politician is one who, when he is bought, will stay bought."

The real truth is that most people don't vote because they know their vote doesn't matter. No matter who you vote for, unless you write them a big check, they aren't going to listen to you anyway. No matter how many emails you send in, how many phone calls, how many pickets, it doesn't matter. Unless you have money, you are just a noise that the politician tunes out.

Did the US people want the Patriot Act? A war against Iraq? How about a real 911 investigation? What about the banks selling all your personal data in California? The list is endless. The laws that are passed are not there "for the people".

An awake mind sees that the people get what the politicians give them. Which for well over a hundred years in America has been what the special interests, corporations, and other powers tell the politicians to do.

The big step forward for a better America would be to actively choose not to participate in the biggest lie of all -- that our country is a democracy run by the people and that voting matters.

Think what would happen --
PULLING THE LEGITIMACY PLUG
PULLING THE LEGITIMACY PLUG II

As Thomas Jefferson said long ago, "Honesty is the first chapter in the book of wisdom".

Isn't it time that we, the people, started being honest with ourselves about the current state of our so-called "democracy"?

...you'd think all honest politicians would be working to make sure computerized voting systems are open source...

For a long time, "honest politician" has been an oxymoron, a laugh amongst the working class. Heavens, we all know there is no such thing. It was Simon Cameron in the 19th century who gave us the modern American definition of an "honest politician" --
"An honest politician is one who, when he is bought, will stay bought."

The real truth is that most people don't vote because they know their vote doesn't matter. No matter who you vote for, unless you write them a big check, they aren't going to listen to you anyway. No matter how many emails you send in, how many phone calls, how many pickets, it doesn't matter. Unless you have money, you are just a noise that the politician tunes out.

Did the US people want the Patriot Act? A war against Iraq? How about a real 911 investigation? What about the banks selling all your personal data in California? The list is endless. The laws that are passed are not there "for the people".

An awake mind sees that the people get what the politicians give them. Which for well over a hundred years in America has been what the special interests, corporations, and other powers tell the politicians to do.

The big step forward for a better America would be to actively choose not to participate in the biggest lie of all -- that our country is a democracy run by the people and that voting matters.

Think what would happen --
PULLING THE LEGITIMACY PLUG
PULLING THE LEGITIMACY PLUG II

As Thomas Jefferson said long ago, "Honesty is the first chapter in the book of wisdom".

Isn't it time that we, the people, started being honest with ourselves about the current state of our so-called "democracy"?

--anything you can do for cash is good, yardsales etc. Tell you something else, this time of year, put in that garden if you haven't done so. Garden saved my sanity and wallet last year, this year it's bigger. I made about squat last month, so low I am medium embarrassed to even quote a figure, it's beyond ridiculous, and no unemployment checks or anything. I still like to *eat* though, I always have had a very extensive pantry and a garden, it just makes sense, costs little to do, and is a direct way to pay yourself in something vital, no "cash" action absolutely needed if you have the piece of dirt to use.

Ya, it's hard to start over, in some cases almost impossible and is a real soul killer depending on your age I guess. Done it several times already, I am not *totally* discouraged, but I will say I am beyond annoyed now. Well beyond it. Don't know about a life of crime, but seeing some ceos and politicians hanging from tress would not terribly upset me at this point. I know they'd just get replaced with similar goons, so oh well....

Here, just working towards a smaller little place we can own outright. Looked last friday at yet again another terribly over priced piece of land, well, seems over priced. I think these property prices will drop soon though, as the economy kicks more and more people hard, they were grossly inflated over the last few years it appears. Once we find one, that's it, paid off as soon as possible, small organic farm action, then sell used widgets on the side and that's it, going to be content with the sheer basics from here on out, I don't see the US economy as lasting much longer, it is just SO skewed towards unrealistic expectations based on greed and insanity that to me it's almost indescribale. I don't know how people think an economy that consists of mostly managers, sales people,middle man skimmers, the entertainment industry and government workers is supposed to remain viable forever. What true industry we have left is only being sustained by the short term profits of yet again moving them off shore, or importing third world workers. There IS going to be a mass tipping over point and a huge snowball effect. I think we are *this close* to it happening.

I try to not inject my personal life when I look at and write on macro policies and effects and events, but being "downsized" several times, it forces you to just LOOK at the over all position, and what I see is that I am just lucky enough to see it coming because it already hit me. People who it hasn't happened to yet are still in denial. Same exact people who thought their stocks at a totally ridiculous profits and earnings ratio were "real", those people. Just can't see it coming, and what's worse, don't WANT to see it so don't look hard enough.

Here's a nice doomer url for you, another economic article:

Mayday, Mayday,Mayday

...and anyone voting to keep the current Bush administration, must be insane.

Yeah, because Gore's record on stuff like this is SO good. To say nothing of the fact that the Bush-Ashcroft justice department has yet to approach the (shock warning - this link is disturbing)Reno body count, much less Clinton's.

I suppose, therefore, that according to your interpretation of this problem, our choice is between insanity and amnesia.

You guys have a great debate going, sorry for the interruption. I just wanted to inject one point which might (or might not) be relevant to your debate.

Every so often, I read an editorial or an article about the "dumbing-down of America". These pieces bemoan curriculum changes or testing standards that allow for sub-standard learning environments.

A few examples:
Regarding programming
Regarding entertainment
Regarding academia

I for one think it's high time that we stop dumbing-down people by assuming that all they're capable of using is one or two operating systems and one office suite. The purpose of schools is to educate people so that they can make intelligent choices...not teach them how to use one proprietary operating system or one proprietary office suite.

Stop assuming that people are mindless automatons that don't want a choice and start educating them about the choices they do have and let's see what happens.

--K.

The Clinton Body Count

The 10-y/os with stones might not be so bad, but the ones with grenades are.

It's called logic. People who play MP3s are cutting into the RIAA's bottom line (or so says the RIAA), therefore damaging someone for pure personal profit. An elected leader of a nation whose soldiers kill civillians that were shooting guns at them is damaging someone who was trying to inflict the same damage on them.

Read some real news asshole

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