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Clinton: It's 'Heartbreaking' When IT Workers Must Train H-1B Replacements (computerworld.com)
dcblogs writes: Hillary Clinton, the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee, on Monday criticized the replacement of U.S. IT workers with foreign labor but stopped short of offering a plan to fix it. In a videotaped interview with Vox, Clinton appears empathetic and sympathetic to IT workers who have trained their foreign replacements as a condition of severance. She mentioned IT layoffs at Disney, specifically. "The many stories of people training their replacements from some foreign country are heartbreaking, and it is obviously a cost-cutting measure to be able to pay people less than what you would pay an American worker," said Clinton in the interview. Keith Barrett, a former IT worker Disney who was among those replaced by contractors, was not happy with Clinton's comments."She starts off as if she understands the problem, but then dismisses it as collateral damage not of significant volume to address, and blends in the problem of illegal immigrant labor, which is mostly working in unskilled labor," said Barrett.
It's Heartbreaking you're not in Jail.
#BernOrBust
I am shamed that Bernie would endorse Clinton, as a NH resident, I feel even worse we have to host the event he is going to endorse her in - what CNN and NPR would at this point consider already done with a bow tied around it.
Clinton is just as wrong as Trump.
#BernOrBust
Trans-Pacific Partnership will just kill jobs so bad that any gains by banning H1b's will be wiped out.
Wouldn't "Made in China" literally mean that H1B wasn't used in such cases?
Its heartbreaking she's not in jail right now. Average Joe would have a life sentence for what she got away with.
I find it heartbreaking that in these egregious cases politicians don't speak out against it as well as attorney generals don't prosecute people for violating the law. If you are training your replacement then it is obvious that there is an American capable of doing the job and that a H-1B holder should not have it. I have written my polished turds of elected representatives on this issue and from most I got a non response (thank you for contacting your congressman or senator form letter) or a letter blaming republicans for blocking last year's comprehensive immigration law that would have expanded the H-1B program (thanks Amy Klobuchar you ignorant senator of small things)
Time to offend someone
Clinton is making it clear that for Democrats, immigration is an issue primarily about Latino voters --- not tech donors. The tech industry has sometimes thought of itself as first among equals when it comes to the "immigration reform" coalition --- now thereâ(TM)s reason for it to worry it might be last. ...
Some in the tech industry continue to nurture the hope that Congress can come together to pass a bill that just expands high-skilled visas, avoiding the political thicket of other immigration reforms. (During President Obamaâ(TM)s first term, bills to increase high-skilled visas were actually the closest to immigration reform that Congress came, though they were voted down by Democrats.) ...
But itâ(TM)s still impossible to miss the message: Tech, and everyone else, needs to take a back seat to unauthorized immigrants and their families (millions of whom, of course, are US citizens and voters).
Yea. That makes sense. So she has not deviated from her "Say anything to get elected" course. Shocker.
(Note: I replaced â" with --- because quote didn't like it)
http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/15/...
This is just lip service, since she is bought by the big corps... and, so is not truly her opinion.
[[ Just like her remark that 'Whites need to change their behavior' in response to the Dallas killings. ??? ]]
I am not sure what is more horrifying - whether she really believes what she says, or is just speaking platitudes...
But hey, what's a little law breaking among protected elites, right Hillary?
Maw! Fire up the karma burner!
That makes no sense. H1-B is labor is being imported in to America. "Made in China" uses labor in China.
This defines you as a clueless idiot.
Sure would. But don't blame the PP. Anyone who tries to understand Trump's stance on H1-Bs is bound to end up wandering around in a fugue state for a few hours.
Someone had to do it.
Wow it's only Tuesday but I'm already nominating this the "most retarded /. comment of the week.".
"Made in China" = produced in China not the USA by Indian's.
He doesn't deny it. He has said current policy makes it impossible to compete without outsourcing.
You idiots think businesses will mane poor business decisions to be nice. The only way to change it is better trade policy.
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/melanie-hunter/donald-trump-i-never-disputed-some-my-clothing-line-was-made-mexico
Clinton: It's 'Heartbreaking' When IT Workers Must Train H-1B Replacements
For contrast, here's what Donald Trump said recently
[Referring to problems within the Veteran's Administration] "I will pick up the phone and fix it myself"
Look at Hillary's positions and see if they give you a warm, fuzzy feeling of goodness.
Look at Trump's positions and see if they describe specific changes and actions.
Hillary is "stay the course", and Trump is "make changes".
Fuck that piece of shit. Seriously. Fuck her right in her stupid fucking ass.
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How does anyone believe a word out of her mouth, much less support her being our president? Those lying sacks of shits we call the Clintons are terrible for this country.
And so is Donald Trump. Both are hideously wrong for America at this time. Electing Donald is like playing Russian Roulette with a revolver with one round. You have a chance. Electing Hillary is like playing Russian Roulette with a fully-loaded revolver. You're fucked no matter what happens.
Why cannot this country of 330 million people come up with better candidates? WTF is wrong with people. We should do what Australia does and voting should be compulsory. If people were forced to go out and cast their ballots, perhaps they would put some thought into who and what the issues are.
Hillary represents everything wrong with politics: she's corrupt to the core, in bed with monied interests, give a toss only about herself and her own. What sucks is that her daughter might rise up through the ranks and we'd have yet another Clinton to contend with. The daughter is just as vile as the mother, as she's cut from the same cloth. This country needs to be turned around before it's given over wholly to foreign interests. We something akin to the Australian Love It or Leave It Party. Come to America, ASSIMILATE FULLY or get the fuck out. Speak English. This is America. Not Buttfuckistan or Turdistan or whatever shithole they come from.
Hillary wants to continue to let the muslims in. They represent a far worse path than Deepak and his turbaned ilk taking a few tech jobs. It's Islam, stupid. All of this stuff is a red herring. The US is screwed.
And here I was, just getting over the foul taste from puking all over the "compassionate conservative" bullshit, now I get a heartbroken Hillary.
Believe me, sweetheart, should anyone decide to put you out of your misery, we'll all be about as heartbroken as you're right now.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
This is not free market, this is the Government intervention. The free market would not flood the system with cheap labor, if labor was short, wages would rise, as wages rise, supply would increase (internally).
The government allowing more foreign workers in a field as an exception is the opposite of a free market, because it inflates the supply artificially.
There are two options this should cause, but wont. Option A is that all of her American IT staff could just quit, and refuse to work for her. Force her to use those H1B visa people to run her campaign. Option B would be to be the best IT staff the world has ever seen. Put in triple redundant backups of everything. When congress requests X Y or Z scandal's emails there will be a Nixonian level of data minus those conspicuous missing minutes.
It worked great for allowing America to establish its industry after the American Revolution.
It has worked great for China which wields its government power to help local businesses.
Anyone training their H1-B replacement has witnessed a crime. This is an illegal abuse of the H1-B system and it should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Any company, including groups like Tata should be in jail for what they are doing. Congress should put an automatic criminal penalty of $1million per employee and Justice should target any company that can be shown to be doing it.
And yet in the entire thread there is not a single mention of the only non-psychopath who will be on all fifty state ballots. It's heartbreaking to see the USA be this stubborn.
To clarify, your idea of a free market would include open borders for the purposes of employment or just in general?
Is it heart breaking to program a robot to do your job? Because that happens much more than H1B replacements.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/meet-the-new-generation-of-robots-for-manufacturing-1433300884
"[The new robots] are nimbler, lighter and work better with humans. They might even help bring manufacturing back to the U.S...."
How can her hearth be broken if she doesn't have one? Whose hearth did she break?
If it's so heartbreaking, why have you voted for every bill that gives us more of this? Why were you for it before you were against it and why do you not support Sander's fight on TPP? Why did you only turn during some debates? Why shouldn't I believe that the position you've held for many years is more likely true than the one you've held for a few months when it was popular? Why did you lie repeatedly about your NAFTA support?
Here, take a look in the mirror.
You don't simply lie to us. You berate people for calling you on your lies. You lie even about lying to us! You get angry at the people who show you lying to us, in your own words and no one else's.
So no, I don't care how many crocodile tears you shed. Give me ACTIONS. Actually DO something to put a stop to it and I might believe you just that once.
Let the world + dog know she just does not care, and that in so many senses it may as well be Tuesday from here to eternity.
Who prevents the free flow of workers? Government. You can't claim government is intervening when they aren't doing anything. Intervening is blocking the importation of workers.
I've been hearing about H1-B visa issues on slashdot since I joined and my uid is 5000. And quite honestly, I've never understood it. If you keep up your skills and progress beyond basic tech support or other low-level paper-pushing jobs this is never an issue.
In my experience, people with H1-B visas fill one of two scenarios: needs and costs.
The first is where a company needs more staff because they are always hiring. This would be like a Google or Facebook where they need smart, capable staff and can't find enough of them. Even with H1-Bs they can't. So there's no threat to "native" workers.
The second is to replace low-skilled staff with cheaper workers. And yeah, I get that sucks. But the solution is to learn more skills so you can get the first type of job.
I'm a 45 year old developer. I've learned more programming languages post-college than I learned in college. I've taken courses on managing development teams. I've read tons of books on various aspects of tech. I have skills that are useful and hard to find.
That's the answer - and it's actually part of the point Hillary Clinton was making.
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Fuck that piece of shit. Seriously. Fuck her right in her stupid fucking ass.
How eloquent. What a compelling argument!
How does anyone believe a word out of her mouth, much less support her being our president?
You don't have to believe her. I don't. But we've already seen a Clinton in the White House so we have a pretty good idea what that would look like. More importantly when the alternative is Donald Trump it's an easy choice even if I have to hold my nose while making it. Hillary would not be my choice for president but I'll take her over Trump any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
Like any self-respecting con-person would.
At this time, the choice of candidates for president in the US is "very bad" and "somewhat worse" (your choice which is which).
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
Even if she doesn't win, getting Green over 15 would make more of a difference than voting for Berne on the D ticket.
Same for Johnson if you're more libertarian leaning (Although given that he was a longtime R I would vote for Stein just because she's been on the same ticket for so long.)
Third option is Roseanne Barr (Forget what party she is..) She's one of the few who seems to genuinely be against financial aide to Israel, and at least to me seemed less likely to fuck us over than the frontrunners.
...which you obtain in a compressed timescale from the person you replace. Job done!
It's a step up from the last 20 years. Said it before, I'll say it again, it took Ron Reagan and Karl Rove 40 years to get us in this mess, it'll take longer than one election cycle to fix it.
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That's why it's "heart breaking" but she won't do anything about it.
Sure, some people suffer ...
But corporations make bigger profits and spend money on lobbying and campaign contributions and put the friends and family of politicians on their boards.
So don't expect any change from her. You have to fight for it at the state level.
I don't understand how companies survive trying to do it. Surely the people being replaced have little motivation to properly train their replacements, and some to actively sabotage them with misinformation and careful omission. Have any of these companies had catastrophic problems after downgrading their staff?
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Hillary gets paid when IT workers have to train their foreign replacements.
Anyone training their H1-B replacement has witnessed a crime.
I would say anyone doing that has no spine. Yes you might have to give up a severance package. But if you take that package you are saying you can be bought for the cost of the package. Personally I prefer to not dig my own grave. Now if the severance package has two commas in the number that's a different story because then they aren't paying me to train my replacement, they are paying me to retire.
And yes, forcing people to train there replacements should be illegal without question. H1Bs are for when they cannot find domestic talent. If they are training their replacement then clearly the talent already exists domestically. You have to be a serious reptile to even ask people to do this sort of thing.
Just curious have any of you been faced with having to train an H-1B and told their now-former employer where to put it? Would refusing to train an H-1B cause issues for future employment?
Jumpstart the tartan drive.
I am a lifelong Democrat and it is Hillary's stance on the H-1B that will prevent me from voting for her. Seriously, she will not get my vote over this one issue. I even donated cash 8 times to President Obama's 2008 campaign but I will neither vote for her nor donate to her campaign over this one issue.
You cannot keep an economy going with laws. The only thing this would cause is companies leaving the US altogether. While I am unsure how this problem can be fixed and whether it can be fixed at all, this is certainly not the way.
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The list is long and getting longer.
I find it heartbreaking that in these egregious cases politicians don't speak out against it as well as attorney generals don't prosecute people for violating the law. If you are training your replacement then it is obvious that there is an American capable of doing the job and that a H-1B holder should not have it. I have written my polished turds of elected representatives on this issue and from most I got a non response (thank you for contacting your congressman or senator form letter) or a letter blaming republicans for blocking last year's comprehensive immigration law that would have expanded the H-1B program (thanks Amy Klobuchar you ignorant senator of small things)
But the Americans are not capable of doing the job at the desired pay grade!
Reason number 1010011010
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Training your replacement is demoralizing ...... I had to do it twice before being laid off...it sucks. However, that having been said - it's not the fault of the guy replacing you that your company is going in the direction it is. There was no reason for me to take my aggravation out on the guy I was training, it wasn't his fault. Not always an easy thing to do.
Just my .02
You do need to have a heart before it can be broken. (A conscience will also help.) Just sayin'
Free, as in your money being freed from the confines of your account.
No, there is nothing about you or your skills that is so unique that you cannot be replaced.
And if your severance package depends upon you teaching your replacement how to do your job (see Disney), you are even easier to replace.
They may be useful, but they are not hard to find.
Unless you personally are working for Google or Facebook that kind of invalidates your position. You aren't so rare that Google is fighting to get you.
Look up "confirmation bias". You think that because your decisions have resulted in your position that anyone who has not achieved that position has made incorrect decisions. The reality is that when a company wants to cut their IT costs to save money, your skills will have nothing to do with their decision.
Clinton has a heart? That is NEWS.
How do you feel when you have to train your H1-B replacement? Tell us in 3 emojis or less.
From that perspective, you might as well argue that the market distortion here is that the government doesn't permit foreign workers to work in the US under the same conditions as US nationals, since that `unnaturally' restricts the job market (i.e., `national borders distort the job market').
For H1-B Visa worker there is a market based fix. Each company that wants a H1-B must submit a salary. The visa's go to the jobs with the highest salaries sort of like a Dutch auction This "proves" that the job is hard to fill because they can't find an American to do the job for an enormous salary ! May the most expensive unfilled job win !
You can also alter tax policy. It does cost money and particularly time to transport cheaply from China to the US. Eliminate corporate taxes since they are passed on to the customers anyway and you'll have more US based manufacturing. Whether it would completely fix the problem or not is anybody's guess - but it would put a dent in it.
And yet in the entire thread there is not a single mention of the only non-psychopath who will be on all fifty state ballots. It's heartbreaking to see the USA be this stubborn.
Has nothing to do with being stubborn. Has to do with the setup of our voting system. First past the post voting and gerrymandering pretty much ensures a two party system. The reasons why are complicated but the end result is that it is nearly impossible for a third party to make significant headway.
That said, I presume you are referring to Gary Johnson. He supports regressive taxation policies that generally will hurt the poor and benefit the rich (flat consumption taxes). He wants to reduce taxes but has no plan I've seen for how he proposes to get Congress to authorize a reduction in Medicare, Social Security and our Military which account for roughly 3/4 of the federal budget. He's opposed to any budget that would require borrowing money which is both A) impossible as a practical matter and B) stupid policy based in ideology rather than evidence. Not policy positions I consider sensible and/or realistic. Basically this guy wants policies that would almost certainly cause severe economic harm in the short term and that wouldn't have a prayer of getting through Congress in any case. Not that it matters since he hasn't got a prayer of getting elected.
And frankly I don't believe ANYONE who runs for president is anything other than a power hungry, self absorbed, narcissist and I don't trust them at all. Nobody who is sane or decent would want that job and anyone who gets it will almost inevitably be corrupted by the process of getting it.
What's to stop someone from training a replacement badly?
It's not the fault of the people gassing you.. They have a job to do you know, and they have kids to feed. And they are only following orders.
It's not the fault of the person blowing you up, it is their GOD who told them to do it.. They need salvation, by blowing you up. It was how they were taught...
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Just my .02
Hillary will say whatever, she can always spin it into what her sponsors want later. The same with Trump.
Do not fall for the false dichotomy you are presented. The major parties want one to believe that one needs to vote for the lesser of two evils to block "the other guy" from winning. Either one's vote is too small and insignificant to matter and that is a waste of one's time or one's vote does matter and that is support you should reserve for the candidate you actually want to win.
If voting does matter then it is only true that the two factions of the ruling party are the only viable options as long as one continues to believe and vote in accord with this fallacy. It will always be true that the candidate one supports won't win if one votes for a different candidate in order to block yet another candidate. Stop doing it and stop spreading the logical fallacy that causes others to do it. One can do better than that.
But you can steer an economy with laws, and right now ours is being steered right off the fucking cliff.
Yes, lower the corporate tax and raise the individual tax, just like Europe, Scandinavia and other industrialized countries do.
Worldwide corporate tax rates
Individual worldwide tax rates
That is what Trump wants, right? Lower taxes on companies so they can "compete" while raising the tax rates on individuals. I'm sure he wouldn't mind paying a 50% individual tax rate as happens in Belgium, or the 54.25% of Finland. He'd be happy to pay even the lower, 45% tax rate of Germany, right?
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Perhaps Mrs. Clinton has observed that discussing any aspect of immigration in a negative way makes her more like Donald Trump -- a man whom she very often implies is pretty much the worst thing ever.
It's a bit interesting that when Mrs. Clinton talks negatively about immigration, she's described as empathetic for Americans.
Contrastingly, when Donald Trump talks about immigration, he's described as a racist.
I think people are wise to be suspicious of anyone running for public office. But, of Clinton, Johnson, and Trump, Trump is the only one that has ever said he wants to limit and reform immigration for the benefit of Americans who are seeking American jobs. He's also the one talking about punishing American companies who engage in behaviors that subvert American workers and jobs so replace them with foreign workers and jobs.
http://www.computerworld.com/a...
If you are upset with companies abusing immigration law to the detriment of American workers, and you wish someone would finally do something about it, Trump would seem like your candidate.
This election promises to be another "hold your nose" affair, but there do seem to be legitimate differences in what the candidates want to accomplish and how they want to do it.
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Hillary Clinton publically makes unambiguous policy statements asserting she is against TPP.
During democratic national convention Hillary's people actively pilloried language rejecting TPP as part of the parties platform.
Hillary is free to argue unbounded capital movement is good but not free to have it both ways.
Yes indeed. A non-stop parade of deep corruption, routine law breaking, blatant lying over things both huge and trivial, and sleazy personal drama at every turn. Yay! Let's have some more of that.
And that is different from any other administration how? Look into it and you'll find the Clinton's rap sheet to be (surprisingly) one of the shorter ones. Ronald Reagan's administration had FAR more indictments and convictions than Clinton's. Same with both Bush administrations. About the worst thing people can to pin on Bill Clinton is that he lied about a blowjob. I think the Clinton's can be pretty shady but sadly they aren't even close to the worst.
And if you think a Trump administration would be a paragon of honesty and decency you are delusional.
This is exactly the problem; and if you think H1-B is abused, look up L-1 visas. With those, US minimum wage doesn't even apply for someone from a country whose local wage is below that.
That's what I came to say. It's not "heartbreaking," it's completely illegal. It's so illegal in fact, I couldn't believe that she had actually said it, and read the article to make sure. Here's a transcript of the interview. I can't find anywhere she actually said it. As a lawyer, she knows to be more careful in what she says than that.
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
What's wrong with them leaving altogether? If they don't employ anyone locally and don't pay taxes locally, what's the benefit?
Very little is original when it comes to large companies' policies. One of the large management consulting firms comes up with an idea, sells it to one company, and through C-level golf networking, it gets copied everywhere over time. (Corollary: Anything IBM, GE or Google does will be copied verbatim, regardless of fit.) Think of the conversations --
"Hey, I just figured out a great way to make those IT nerds 90% cheaper!"
"Really? How?"
"Simple, all I have to do is call up Infosys or Tata, and they will use the H-1B program to send hundreds of cheap replacements! It's foolproof! My McKinsey guys said they could replace the entire IT department with contractors and we won't even notice the difference!"
"Sounds great, I was getting sick of dealing with those old neckbeards anyway. Now watch this drive!"
Here's the problem -- every company copies HR ideas, so every company will eventually offshore their IT or live with the higher costs (doubtful.) Now, how do you propose a solution without sounding like a "they took er jerbs!" guy? The problem is not the H-1B program itself -- it's the loopholes in it the body shops use to bring in cheaper labor that isn't as qualified. There's also give on both sides too -- people can't expect high salaries if the technology changes out from under them and they don't adapt. However, given that H-1B labor is often used to replace entry-level work, how do you develop a pipeline of new people to replace the retiring ones, retrain mid-career people for new positions, and make IT (and more broadly, STEM) attractive in the first place?
The only solution I can see working is to take away the loopholes in the program for every company, regardless of size or special interest. When they have to start hiring domestic labor instead of letting their body shop circumvent the rules, all of a sudden there's domestic supply as new students come in, domestic demand because they can't use the emergency cheap labor escape valve, and salaries remain reasonably high because the reality is that most IT jobs worth doing are difficult. The only way to make it work (IMO) is to start paying Congress to do so via a professional organization. Doctors, pharmacists and (to a much lesser extent now) lawyers are going to be the last people working in this country for anything resembling an upper-middle class salary. The reason is that they saw this coming ages ago and made sure their interests were protected. Don't you think United Healthcare or the big hospital chains would do anything in their power to pass a law saying anyone who passed a 1-week certification class could perform low-end medical procedures? They are blocked from doing so by the AMA and other boards of specialist physicians. It's time to admit that the only way to change the rules is to pay for it and hire a professional lobbying group to counteract those already working in businesses' favor.
In the developing countries, yes.
In the USA, not. Why should it?
The whole thing is designed to exploit the political/economical weakness of former third world countries for the profit of US companies.
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Obviously a violation of the spirit of the law, but unless someone has some relatively damning evidence leaked from inside one of the outsourcing firms, there's nothing to stick a letter-of-the-law violation to.
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I am definitely voting against this candidate, but on this issue it looks like she's got basically the best-possible attitude. She did address the issue, to the most extreme limits that We The People should ever tolerate from any politician. She did this: she said it's heartbreaking. She tried to persuade people to do what they need to do about it. What more do you expect?
That doesn't accomplish much, but it's not the government's job to do more than that.
It's up to you to lower your rates to a more competitive range. The government cannot force you to that, and I think most people here would be justifiably outraged if the government pointed their guns at our faces and said, "Ask for less money, because we insist that you keep your job instead of being outbid."
Funny, though, that it is about Disney, who is yelling for the Government to "Protect our Intellectual Property!!!" because of "Jobs!!!" all the time on the other end of the bargain. In a truly FREE market, without government imposed copyright, there would be no Disney as it is now.
This is not free market, ... if labor was short, wages would rise, as wages rise, supply would increase (internally).
What are you smoking? The supply is increasing EXTERNALLY, because the government DOESN'T restrict the labor market and the people coming in can live comfortably for a week on what would only get a US native by for a day.
You have to fight for it at the state level.
You can't fight immigration policy (such as H1-B) at the state level - it's an entirely Federal program. States have even tried to enforce federal immigration rules within their state using state law enforcement and was slapped down for it. The Feds are currently importing refugees and asylum seekers in places all over the country, and will not even respond to state governor's requests for names, places, and/or the number of people the Feds are planning to place in their states.
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A lot of people can be, because they have both debt and dependents, and they need that money to support them while they desperately seek further employment.
Sometimes it's bad luck but more often it's bad planning. I have sympathy for the former but not so much for the later. If you took on debt that couldn't absorb a stretch of bad luck then shame on you. I would say most of them really don't need the money that badly. I've been poor a a church mouse during my lifetime and so have my parents. I've lost jobs both expectedly and unexpectedly. People usually need a lot less than they generally think they do. And frankly at the end of the day, how much is your integrity worth to you?
Spoken like a true cuck.
It isn't his fault that he's fucking my wife. There's no reason for me to be upset with him. It isn't his fault that she's leaving me. I should just slip gracefully into sexual or economic oblivion...
Complete Nonsense. Companies are free to leave the US now--but they don't because there are myriad advantages to being here that they could not afford to miss. No, what they want is to have their cake and eat it too: benefiting from the American system while externalizing their costs for doing so.
US GOVERNMENT SPYWARE AS A SERVICE (Score:0)
by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 12, 2016 @01:00PM (#52497711)
Nice one Slashdot. Can cut and paste vs. many damage control stories today.
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I PREDICTED THIS STORY YESTERDAY (Score:0)
by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 12, 2016 @12:57PM (#52497677)
https://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=9370079&cid=52494647
GOOGLE SOLD USA THE FUCK OUT (Score:0)
by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 12, 2016 @01:36AM (#52494647)
Google is a FUCKING US Government spy shop. Why wouldn't they train Indians and buy rice paddies too fuck it. Sell American land and properties all to China then make big threats with boats. Eric Schmidt is a treasonous bitch too.
https://www.news.slashdot.org/story/16/03/06/1834211/eric-schmidt-gets-a-job-at-the-pentagon
Why is Windows 10/8.1/8/7 ALL spyware?! GEE. I don't know.
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These situations all are a chain of events from 9/11 WTC attacks and other false flags. Watch out for race bait and gay bait in the news with more Hillary soap operas.
Are you so busy 9 to 5 that you can't think? Hillary or Trump is this a fucking mindblowing decision? Did Hillary email did she not did she have a home server did she not. Fucking A, you people are reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeetarded buying their shit and using their spyware.
It's a shitty situation... You don't want to screw that guy who just took a job to get paid like you did, but at the same time you don't want to encourage other companies to try the same thing.
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Try polling people with security clearances. I'll bet that those who have been informed of the law are closer to 97%. We've got one here out of a more than a hundred people.
Perhaps that is because he doesn't appear to be against immigration per se, but only against immigration of certain "races"?
The real "Libtards" are the Libertarians!
Medical bills are a factor in more than half of all personal bankruptcies.
If they had a job then they should have been able to get insurance as well.
Point being?
Just because you can find someone who claims to be able to do the job for much less doesn't make it the right, or even smart thing to do.
while at a buffet lunch (all you can eat), it occurred to me: the convention in that kind of restaurant is to not allow the customers to take home leftovers even though it seem wasteful to throw out whatever you didn't finish on your plate.
the reason: they don't want to start a precident; they all collude to 'teach' you that you have no right to take that one final partial plate of food with you. if they all stand together and tell each customer that tries, 'no, you cant take that with you' then they all are together and it is a 'rule' that customers come to understand.
by the same token, wouldn't it be great if everyone who was told to train their replacement just stood up and said NO? if we all did, universally, the employers would at least realize that this is the new 'rule' and that they can't get away with it. just like the buffet idea, you create an arbitrary rule that favors you and you stand unified so that that rule 'sticks'.
I know why we don't, though. they lord over us the severance pay which many of us need. maybe even a small bonus. when you know you are going to be between jobs, its damned hard to say no to some extra pay.
but think about it, guys. if we stood strong and universally refused to train our replacements, we could just tell companies 'no, this is not something we support and its our policy, as employees, not to encourage further bad behavior from corporatations'. that's the essence of it. de-condition them of this bad behavior.
who's with me on this?
we hang together or we hang separately. someone famous once said that, I think.
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Just grow some balls and refuse to train your replacement. You know you're going to be out of there soon anyway.
Not really H1B is an exemption from the normal immigration laws.
That's the media spin to be sure: anyone against immigration is racist. Also, don't forget the media spin that "Muslim" is a race. It's all bullshit.
Controlling the borders is the duty of any government, regardless of the race of the people on the other side of that border.
Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
And despite being Jewish, she feels our current financial aid is a disservice to Israel and peace in the Middle East (at least in campaign promises. She could be another Obama as far as in-office actions go.)
Whether it is competitive or not, no company really pays taxes. They just take them out of the income they get from sales and remit them to the appropriate taxing authority. So the end purchaser pays the taxes. It would be better to own up to that, reduce prices for goods, eliminate taxes and all the legalese required to collect it, and just increase the individual tax burden to compensate for any differences. It's that eliminating the legalese in the tax code that is the toughest to achieve because it would take legislation to accomplish and the legislative leaders ... well, I'm trying to be nice today.
I don't understand how companies survive trying to do it. Surely the people being replaced have little motivation to properly train their replacements, and some to actively sabotage them with misinformation and careful omission. Have any of these companies had catastrophic problems after downgrading their staff?
Unlike the sociopathic executives doing this, the people being replaced are professionals, and they don't have a golden parachute to hang on while they plan their next business venture.
This is why everyone in productive employment should put away enough every month for a nice "fuck you fund".
"Somebody has to do something. It's just incredibly pathetic it has to be us."
--- Jerry Garcia
Nice troll. I've seen those guys in action. It takes 2 or 3 to replace a competent tech worker, and even then their artifacts are crap and require rework. But companies don't care - it's a race to the bottom.
"Somebody has to do something. It's just incredibly pathetic it has to be us."
--- Jerry Garcia
Point blank first hand knowledge that she's a liar. I went to see her office in NY when I was forced to train my h1B replacement. Their attitude was "too bad, this is part of a larger, more important process of globalization." That is nearly a direct quote from her staffers to me personally when I asked why Americans should yield their jobs to people here on visas. This is when she was a new Senator for NY and before the H1B shit hit had the fan the way it has now and only Norm Matloff and a few other people were talking about h1b fraud. I am sure they felt comfortable sneering at me since they were in their office, their turf and cell phone cameras weren't a thing yet.
Here she is cutting the ribbon on a H1b body shop in ever-depresssed downtown Buffalo NY :
http://www.wnd.com/2016/05/hil...
Here's her 11th hour conversion reviewed:
http://www.wnd.com/2016/05/hil...
Here's what the Clinton Foundation thinks of Americans and their jobs:
http://freebeacon.com/politics...
Hillary Clinton is a liar.
Point being?
Just because you can find someone who claims to be able to do the job for much less doesn't make it the right, or even smart thing to do.
Didn't feel like applying a sarcasm tag. Honestly I got paid good money for fixing work that came back from overseas for a few years so I'm fully aware that cheaper isn't better.
Most people working in tech realize that the foreign H1B replacements offer a much lower quality of work in addition to working for lower wages. Normally, substandard work would impact the bottom line of a business looking to turn a profit. But the current business model is not to create a profitable product--it's to burn VC money on turning out barely-functional-yet-hugely-popular apps so the company can be sold as quickly as possible. This business model is enabled by the ridiculous, easy money policies of the Federal Reserve since 2008... and it's going to result in a second tech crash that will be much larger than the first.
I don't have any evidence of Trump naming or implying any race at any time with any of his various immigration comments.
His focus has been on
- stopping _illegal_ immigration
- stopping the legal immigration of people that are at an increased risk of becoming terrorists
- reducing immigration that appears to have a negative effect on American jobs
There is a tremendous amount of racial confirmation bias about Trump, in part because that's what the left always resorts to, and because he hasn't adopted SJW phrases and talking points.
Contrastingly, there is historical evidence of him breaking _down_ racial and other bigotry barriers in his personal and business life.
My opinions are my own, and do not necessarily represent those of my employer.
Not that I agree with this position, but the next argument in the chain is "Immigration laws are preventing the free flow of competitive workers."
What that says to me is that H-1B holders are being paid below market wages. I would assume this is due to their lack of mobility in changing jobs. The natural solution to me, it seems, is to replace the H-1B with a long term unrestricted visa. How many of those would be imported if they weren't indentured servants?
Perhaps that is because he doesn't appear to be against immigration per se, but only against immigration of certain "races"?
That's the GP's point. You think it's racist, and Clinton feels your pain. He is against certain geographic locations. I don't think he ever said that he is for illegal immigration for all races except hispanics. Maybe he thought it, but never said it. Maybe Clinton thought the same thing, but never said it either.
There's a quota and lottery for H1-B applications and I think only about a third of applicants were selected. The others (including my niece - non STEM) had to leave. We (the US) needs to and can step up our game by improving productivity with either automation or better service. There are too many people. In today's civilized societies it shouldn't be cheaper to pay someone to do your dishes instead of doing them yourself or using a dishwasher.
If you experience a life-threatening medical emergency, your insurance will likely not cover everything and you will be left with a pile of debt.
Most insurance will cover the majority of costs. Furthermore someone who has a job that is at risk to an H1B tends to have a rather good paying job so chances are they can afford decent insurance. You are trying to conflate two issues that have very little to do with each other.
This was true before Obamacare, and it's still true. But now premiums of the paying have skyrocketed to cover the unpaying.
Premiums have gone up a lot in some places and not much in others. Prior to the ACA double digit increases per year were normal. On average plan increases from 2015 to 2016 were around 7.5%. A lot but still low by historical standards. The insured have ALWAYS had to cover the uninsured. But now there are fewer uninsured so the rate of increase is less. Insurers are figuring out the real cost and adjusting accordingly which is why this year there was a bump in costs. Some people's premiums have gone up and others (like mine) have gone down. My policy costs just 2/3 of what my pre-ACA policy cost and I have better coverage. On average we are all paying a bit more which is EXACTLY the point of insurance. We all pay some so fewer of us end up bankrupt.
The fact that medical costs in the US continue to rise at ridiculous rates is largely a function of our idiotic refusal to accept a single payer medical care system like every other modern country in the world. So we get high costs and second rate outcomes.
It's heartbreaking she won't admit that domestic workers training H1B replacements essentially proves their visa applications are falsified, which is a crime. The solution is to give all current H1B's permanent green cards. When companies realize they can't use their visa status to extort lower wages the demand for immigrant labor will evaporate.
This has to do with enforcing the current laws.
If my daddy had given me several million dollars when alive, introduced me to other wealthy and influential people and then died leaving me millions more. As it stands Trump had all that and couldn't beat index fund with his daddy's money. Put another way, how do you lose money on a casino?
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Nothing in that part of the code requires intent. Further, I guess she "didn't intend" to direct her subordinates to break the law? Yeah, you're full of shit and nothing about your party line is honest or anything other than deliberately deceitful.
She finds it inconvenient to follow the rules. Why would she expect anyone else to follow the rules either?
I only look human.
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Not at all. In my department there are 1 Chinese H1B holder, and 2 Chinese OPT status holders, who will shortly apply for H1B (they failed to qualify last year). One of remaining individuals is from Taiwan, so was able to get Green Card rather easily, however being a Green Card holder myself (I immigrated when I was 11), I cannot bemoan about that. We do have one other Green Card holder from Cuba and 2 natural born citizens, so we are not that out there.
But believe me when I tell you all those Chinese nationals going to our Universities now have their eyes on Green Cards. Many want to get Phds simply because it all but guarantees H1B status, where us Masters is still about 30% chance a year. A lot of them are smart, I don't doubt it, but that is because where they are from it is so competitive that they spend their afternoons and evening studying math in order to get to a good middle school.... Having grown up in the US it is simply 1) impossible for Americans to compete with such a pressure, and 2) why would you want that kind of a life for your kids?
It is a crime to treat classified information with "gross negligence".
Director Comey said Clinton was "extremely careless" on at least 110 occasions.
"Gross negligence" and "extremely careless" are synonyms, so basically he said she's guilty of at least 110 counts.
He also said no federal prosecutor working for Obama would prosecute HILLARY CLINTON for this crime, but anyone else who did the same thing should expect to be prosecuted.
from the saying-nice-things-to-anyone-who-can-legally-vote department
Why not make a special H1B type visa for workers working from a foreign country?
It's about accountability.
People have been making the mistake for a long time of thinking that outsourcing is about labor cost. It simply isn't. It doesn't work. It actually almost always costs more per project to outsource than to manage it internally.
The issue is accountability. CEOs are expected to present budgets and performance data to his boss which is the corporate shareholders. By outsourcing, the CEO can say "I will spend this much on IT in this quarter" and there should be no surprises. If the outsourcing agency fails to deliver on budget, it's their problem. They have to fix it. As a result, the CEO can focus on showing predictable returns (or losses) each quarter.
IT is a black box with too many variables and corporate leaders are thoroughly incapable of managing their IT resources. If he/she can eliminate the cost issue from their power point presentations and simply focus on the core business of their organization, they can make simpler predictions and more accurately manage the volatility (not profitability) of their share values. A CEO is responsible for being able to inform their shareholders when to buy and when to sell to maximize profitability to the shareholders while not violating inside trading terms. So if he says "we'll make $X this quarter" and he exceeds it, he's a hero. If he says "we'll lose $x this quarter" and he comes in under, he's a hero. If an IT project doubles in cost and delays earnings, he's an asshole.
So if Hillary wants to do something about this, the solution is to focus on the failures in the SEC and foster growth of competitive outsourcing firms and insurance agencies related to them with the US. Currently, India's government does a far better job of guaranteeing debts and liabilities incurred by companies like TCS while securing contracts with US companies than the US does. Introduction of an FDIC style system within the US for organizations outsourcing within the US could assist. Though TCS operates almost entirely unregulated within the US and therefore can make promises that are "lost in translation" with less problems than US companies can.
This is simply not about employee cost. It's simply about the fundamentally questionable foundation of the modern "free market".
If America would stop demonizing socialism or anyone who questions the current American system of "free market capitalism", it might be possible to fix this. Until then... Wave your flag while standing in the unemployment queue.
This seems like the big political question of our time -- how to make rich countries like the US benefit from globalisation without destroying the livelihoods of their own citizens as employees.
One solution is for everyone in the rich country to switch from being a laborer to being a capitalist. If all the citizens have enough stock in the country's economy then immigration would be a good thing, they could all retire and sit back and enjoy the profits brought from the globalization.
Which basically means, some form of universal basic income for citizens, like they have in Saudi and other oil states with sovereign wealth funds.
If we don't do this then the resentment over immigration will just keep growing and the middle and working classes will continue to get pushed down to the lowest common denominator.
The only other alternatively seems to be some kind of tarriff system -- let people move and work freely in every country but levy "import taxes" on companies who buy in foreign labour. This would make the cost of employing people from cheaper countries the same as employing citizens. That's similar to what we do when we put tarriffs on Chinese steel to support the rich countries' economies. There would need to be some argument for what these tarriffs should be and what the morality of it all was -- maybe something about economic externalities, taxing the companies for the harm they do to society by removing citizens' career opportunities -- though it seems the basic income is the simpler option.
No-one wants to be racist or xenophobic but we have to realise that immigration driving down the value of labour is a big, real, problem for anyone who derives their income from selling their labour rather than renting out their capital.
Ah yes.. the muslim race. do you suppose filipinos are any different from iraqis?
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From The Hindu:
Hillary’s automatic green card proposal to benefit Indian students
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Ms. Clinton has promised automatic ‘green card’ or permanent residency to students who complete a master’s degree or a PhD from a U.S university.
When did the topic switch to immigration? We were talking about H-1B visas and guest worker programs.
An indictment does not require criminal intent.
"It's heartbreaking, but not heartbreaking enough for me to do anything about it." - Hillary Clinton
I would vote the Stalin/Satan ticket if they pledged to abolish the H1-B program except for genuinely exceptional circumstances. Or just reduce it to a couple of thousand workers per year with a 2-year cap.
Either way, the H1-B program has become an abusive joke.
Just cruising through this digital world at 33 1/3 rpm...
That's clearly because you are not looking.
Tell me, how does being a Trump supporter go down with your Microsoft colleagues?
The real "Libtards" are the Libertarians!
Although you can't fight immigration policy at the state level, Ms Clinton is a conspirator in its impact.
For example, as a prominent NY politician, she lobbied hard for a new Tata office in upstate NY that would purportedly grow to 200 jobs.
"Well, of course I know that they outsource jobs, that they've actually brought jobs to Buffalo. They've created 10 jobs in Buffalo and have told me and the Buffalo community that they intend to be a source of new jobs in the area, because, you know, outsourcing does work both ways." - I'mWithHer
Of course, under a microscope, Tata was not able to run business as usual, so they folded up tent and moved elsewhere...
She said the wrong thing. Employers that force employees to train H1-B replacements should be forced to pay displaced employees until they are gainfully employed again. I face a similar situation. I refused to train IBM Global India. So I am no longer employed. I heard they are making a mess of things at Citizens Bank. How do I know ? I have contacts that work at a few car dealerships. Loan Origination is an automated bidding process. If your computer cluster takes longer than 40 seconds to lookup a potential customer's credit score, complete a risk assessment of the loan, and update the auto dealer's session with a quote then you lose the potential business to a bank with a competitive rate and a faster transaction response. Now that I've enjoyed some time off I'm going to call Banks that compete with Citizens Bank and run similar Loan Origination Software. If there are any Bank Infrastructure Engineers out there reading this thread and your team is safe from getting outsourced... if you want someone that excels at Capacity & Performance, Root Cause Analysis & Solutions, Java Heap and Garbage Collector Tuning .. feel free to update this thread.
Also the Feds think it's just Desktop Support that's outsource. Wrong. Sr. Infrastructure Engineer, Sr. Storage Engineer, Sr. Network Engineer jobs are all getting outsource. Jobs that pay $85k and up.
Whether it is competitive or not, no company really pays taxes. They just take them out of the income they get from sales and remit them to the appropriate taxing authority. So the end purchaser pays the taxes
By that logic, I don't pay any taxes either. It just comes out of my income (I get a refund..) and I pass the cost on to the businesses I interact with by buying less from them, or choosing cheaper products.
Can you show me which quote of Trump's mentions race? I quickly scanned your link and did not come across any mention of any races.
My opinions are my own, and do not necessarily represent those of my employer.
I did not however turn over my notes or the documentation on the database I used to keep track of all the details. They guy was well qualified and surprisingly nice. He knew what was happening, but I can't fault him for wanting a job, he had a family to feed. I received a call about 1 month after leaving just as I was starting a new contract from my former boss's boss. They had a directory fail and were unable to recover the database that contained all the information on the network setup. He asked me to come in and help and I offered to return for work for 3 months at $500/hour. He acted very insulted and I laughed and hung up. Several friends who still worked in the lab I'd left relayed the mess they were in and the many months it took them to only partially recover. Apparently they had to scrap several router setups and rebuild many machines from scratch as they were not able to to properly recover. It was kind of sad as I had everything documented and color-coded, but 600+ servers in 8 sites around the US was apparently to much for them to figure out.
errr....umm...*whooosh* *whoosh* Is this thing on ?
He also said no federal prosecutor working for Obama would prosecute HILLARY CLINTON for this crime, but anyone else who did the same thing should expect to be prosecuted
No, he did not say that, so stop lying. He said that a government employee would face disciplinary action, not prosecution. He said that several times because the Republicans kept pressuring him to say something else but he was very consistent.
Hillary was a government employee. She is not now. There is no employment discipline to apply. Sorry, but that's how it is. Were she still Secretary of State she should resign over this, but she is not. If you want people to take you seriously stop making up 'facts'.
Are you saying that if we make it less expensive and complicated to do business in the United States, more people will do business in the United States? That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. You just want to favor the 1%. Vote Democrat!
The trick is that they're (probably) not actually violating the law in most of these cases. I'm under the impression that it's not the employer that normally hires the H1B replacement. Instead, they decide to "outsource" IT from their own employees to Wipro or Infosys or similar Indian company whose US subsidiaries are the ones bringing in all the H1B-visa employees.
Obviously a violation of the spirit of the law, but unless someone has some relatively damning evidence leaked from inside one of the outsourcing firms, there's nothing to stick a letter-of-the-law violation to.
IANAL, but just thinking maybe the reverse "trick" is to take the recent NLRB decision that concluded that by it's actions, McD's a *joint* employer of their franchisees' employees and apply it in this situation. If a company is now effectively a *joint* employer of the H1B replacement, the company is effectively hiring a cheaper H1B replacement for the worker they fired which might come under scrutiny.
Now you could still outsource a function, but not a job. But now, there effectively would be no training of replacements, because the contracting company you hired would need to replace the operations completely (not just a job). Of course many functions might be amenable to this (e.g, payroll, hr, etc are commonly completely outsourced as a function), but at least this avoids the issue of needing to train a replacement for a outsourced job.
That's interesting. When did Mexican become a race? Or have you idiots completely subverted the meaning of the words of the English language to benefit your political views?
Stop pointing out that the cubbyholed categories that everyone gets piled into by the left don't make any sense.
Because many people overstay their visa and become illegal immigrants.
It can be fun training your replacement. Telling them exactly how things do not work, and where not to look for issues. Lots of detail of irrelevant stuff, and the time flies. You are soon gone.
You can certainly destroy an economy with laws.
would like to see the H1-B program go away. We're not nearly as unified as the right, which basically consist of pro-gun/anti-abortion evangelicals and folks who don't like paying taxes. That's because of two things: a). we've got a lot of realists like Obama/Hilary that are just trying to hold shit together and get things done best they can and b). there is a _fuckload_ of money in politics and you have to live with that.
The right can pretend they rest on principles because there isn't as much money to be made calling them on it. That's why the same guys telling you to be austere get their asses bailed out. As the saying goes, Socialism for the wealthy, Dog Eat Dog Capitalism for the Poor.
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and more to do with a nuanced approach. The trouble the left has is that we're trying to solve real problems. That means compromises in place of rhetoric. Say what you want but Obama got a lot of shit down. You'll notice we're not at war with Iran. If you're lower income in Arizona you have him to thank for your healthcare (buddy of mine in Az is Type1 diabetic and Obamacare basically pays for his insulin).
Immigration is like that. Read the article/interview and you'll see her trying to separate the H1-B program from letting Latino's live here. But it's really easy to dig your feet in on all sides. And honestly a lot of the blue collar folks have legitimate grips about illegal immigrants. When the housing market bust I saw a lot of blue collars kicked out of their houses and I saw those same houses renovated for sale/rent by what were very, very clearly illegals. The left would have just bailed them out and let them keep their homes, but that point gets lost since we couldn't make it happen after losing the Mid term election to the right...
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Sort the H1-B applications by salary, only allow the top N applicants in.
The whole point of H1-B visas is to bring in specialist workers that will and should be making above-average salaries as the market dictates. Sorting by salary and requiring the company to hold to that salary should help prevent companies abusing H1-B workers (as often happens since they can threaten to revoke the visa and send the worker home). Furthermore, sorting by salary has the benefit of maximizing tax revenue from H1-B workers (remember, H1-B workers pay social security, the highest tax, but are not actually eligible to receive its benefits).
A simple solution to this problem that highlights the fact I am actually a computer scientist this affects. :-)
So more background, I am a manager who has hired people from around the world before and pay them well above market average to do so. One more change to the H1-B visa policy should also be implemented in my experience as well: allow spouses of H1-B workers to work. We lose a lot of H1-B workers due to spouse-related happiness problems. That turnover costs companies and the US economy a lot of money. Especially for a knowledge worker field like IT.
Not really heartbreaking as much as it is a scandal.
should said person actually train their replacement?
do they get paid for it ? if anything i would just write the book, and sell it. en masse
Some time after Trump supporters decided that they had to rely on minor semantic differences to allow them to ignore his obvious racism. It's not hard to find examples: you just don't want to look.
The real "Libtards" are the Libertarians!
It's also amusing that like most on the American Left
It's amusing that some people think there is an American Left. You have two branches of one political party, Right wing and More Right wing and this is spreading all around the world.
The two party system in general is a complete failure. Even the Westminster system of independence has been devolved into a two party system. The common thing in these systems is politicians seeking power, they make deals so they can secure more power over the populous.
In the meantime structural issues that require actual political skills like diplomacy, compromise and negotiation are absent and issues that affect peoples day to day lives, like infrastructure, hospitals, education and employment are all used as carrots to attract and deceive voters to *more*of*the*same* candidates who bows their head in the church of the corporcracy.
Unless corporate lobbying and funding is removed from the political landscape, nothing will even begin to change, no one will be informed and freedom and democracy will remain an illusion. This is how your vote is made to not matter and that is exactly what the power brokers of this world want.
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To be fair, the invividual tax rates listed are the highest brackets of the respective countries, so only for very large incomes does the effective total tax rate approach the listed values.
Tax is less of an issue than the legal climate. Doing business in the US is extremely risky. Something very minor (or even something where the company is not at fault at all in any way) can cost billions of dollars and years of legal procedures. Legal reform should be a top priority, if not for attracting business than for making the legal system serve its intended purpose.
She's not SoS but she should drop out of the race on this. This proves she is not fit to be President.
Seems a bit of civil disobedience is in order. I've heard that many "must" train them in order to receive full benefits etc.
But - must you train them to do the job correctly? Might a bit of minor sabotage be injected such that the job is performed poorly, slowly, or inefficiently? Granted it would be criminal to totally screw the company by providing instructions that corrupt the data. However, I think they only need to see what the job is - the minimum is to train them to "do the job."
Morally you may take pride in the job. The big companies replacing you do this because it is cost effective. Well - don't allow the math to add up.
I just saw a resume where a 25-year old Indian is asking $400 a month. My rent alone (shared living) is $350 and utilities are around $150, in PA. I'd hate to see what it would be in NYC or SF or LA. How am I supposed to compete against that and eat? I predict a housing crash, and a lot of homeless programmers, if we're expected to compete with that.
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Yes, the TPP will help US corporations be more profitable. That doesn't translate into more jobs for US workers.
Senator Chuck Grassley Seeks To End Issuing Visas To India
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Casteism
That's the media spin to be sure: anyone against immigration is racist.
Probably because that has been the pattern for so very long. The Cherokee Removal. The Chinese Exclusion Act. The Quota Act. Know-Nothing Party. Ku Klux Klan. Asian Exclusion League.
Trump's sure not convincing us otherwise either.
Also, don't forget the media spin that "Muslim" is a race.
What, you're worried that most Americans can't tell the difference between a Moroccan and an Indonesian? Big deal.
Did you get worked up over references to the Irish Race? It wasn't a sprint between Dublin and Cork.
I could get it if you were some anthropologist lamenting over the imprecision of the media, but somehow I doubt your motives are really salutary.
Look, while a more precise expression of the bigotry involved can be developed, like it or not, "racism" is a word in common usage to describe discriminatory conduct, and applied very broadly, so you really are just coming across as an ass trying to be defensive about it.
It's all bullshit.
If only you meant that. But none of the bullshit you call out is the kind that's on your own side, now is it?
Controlling the borders is the duty of any government, regardless of the race of the people on the other side of that border.
Yeah, so is ensuring domestic tranquility, enforcing law and order, and all the other excuses for racism and bigotry in the past.
It's funny how often race turns out to be at the root of it. Even if it's just how you pronounce shibboleth.
Only racists care as much about race as you obviously do. It you peer deep into any discussion looking for any way it could possibly be about race, then (a) you are a racist, and (b) the discussion is better off without you.
Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
Hillary, it's NOT 'heartbreaking" it is BREATHTAKINGLY ILLEGAL ACCORDING THE LAWS UNDER WHICH H-1B VISAS ARE ISSUED. Not that I expect the letter of the law to mean much to the likes of you but JEEZ your level of ignorance is sometimes vaster than intergalactic space.
No, but to more unemployment in countries which don't have any means to deal with it (lack of knowledge, infrastructure etc.).
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No, No, No you just don't get it. The Democrats have cried and wailed about the same problems (racism, inequality, no jobs) for 50 years and convinced millions that they are the only ones to fix these problems, and yet every time they get into power all these problems get far worse. And of course it's the fault of the Republicans (even when they hold overwhelming majorities. The Republicans have cried and wailed about the same problems (higher taxes, excessive spending, intrusion of government into our lives for 50 years and convinced millions they are the only ones to fix the problems, and yet every time they get into office we get higher taxes, bigger government, and more instruction on our lives.
Then along comes some outsider, like Trump, or Sanders, and both parties agree he's a menace, unstable, dangerous for the country, a bufoon, a loser... because if an outsider gets elected then the gravy train that's Washington, DC might actually be exposed.
Multinational corporations with their lobbyists run the governments of the world! We are but a resource until a cheaper resource becomes available. The country welcomes with open arms foreign workers who have many advantages over the white IT worker in terms of cost. We are as obsolete as a mainframe. The only white IT workers who garner any respect are driving Bentleys, have million dollar yachts, and are intimately connected to a system meant to replace American IT workers. By destroying the American IT worker they can destroy the American middle class thereby increasing the power of the government as more people become dependent on it to survive.
1. US based workers are being replaced by workers in another country such as India. This has nothing to do with immigration and would require new laws to address. It's debatable whether such protectionist laws would be a net benefit, but a completely separate discussion from H1B.
2. Higher paid full time positions are being replaced with consultants from an agency where anyone can apply but H1B workers are common in practice because agency provides said visa independently of specific project. This is a business decision and probably not much can be done about that.
What is a H-1B? (yea im not american...)
1) You (Clinton) can help.
In solidarity please train a H1-B replacement for yourself.
2) We will get our revenge
Soon those H1-B workers will have to train the AIs for their robot replacements.
I couldn't believe that she had actually said it, and read the article to make sure. Here's a transcript of the interview. I can't find anywhere she actually said it.
Ciinton: "The many stories of people training their replacements from some foreign country are heartbreaking, and it is obviously a cost-cutting measure to be able to pay people less than you would pay an American worker."
She doesn't say H1-B, but H1-B is what "the many stories" are about.