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Patriot Act Provisions that sunset after 12/31/05
After I read the article, despite it not being about the Patriot Act, it reminded me that I need to get on the bandwagon about writing to my rent-a-legislators (state/federal) about opposing any attempts to extend the USA PATRIOT Act Provisions That Expire on December 31, 2005. I'll definately be boning up at EPIC's The USA PATRIOT Act page.
Another good reference source that came my way via the Federation of American Scientists' Project on Government Secrecy"Secrecy News Newsletter" was their archive of Congressional Research Service reports on Secrecy and Security.
The one I will reference in my correspondences will be the report:
USA Patriot Act Sunset:Provisions That Expire on December 31, 2005 (PDF - 107 Kb - 22 pages)
January 2, 2004
Charles Doyle
Senior Specialist
American Law DivisionHere's the summary with section listed:
SummarySeveral sections of Title II of the USA PATRIOT Act (the Act) relating to enhanced foreign intelligence and law enforcement surveillance authority expire on December 31, 2005. Thereafter, the authority remains in effect only as it relates to foreign intelligence investigations begun before sunset or to offenses or potential offense begun or occurring before that date. There may be some disagreement of whether a "potential offense" is a suspected crime, an incomplete crime, or both.
The consequences of sunset are not the same for every expiring section. In some instances the temporary provision has been replaced with a permanent one; in some, other provisions have been made temporarybyattached to an expiring section; in still others, the apparent impact of termination has been mitigated by related provisions either in the Act or elsewhere.
The temporary provisions are: sections 201 (wiretapping in terrorism cases), 202 (wiretapping in computer fraud and abuse felony cases), 203(b) (sharing wiretap information), 203(d) (sharing foreign intelligence information), 204 (Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) pen register/trap & trace exceptions), 206 (roving FISA wiretaps), 207 (duration of FISA surveillance of non-United States persons who are agents of a foreign power), 209 (seizure of voice-mail messages pursuant to warrants), 212 (emergency disclosure of electronic surveillance), 214 (FISApen register/ trap and trace authority), 215 (FISAaccess to tangible items), 217 (interception of computer trespasser communications), 218 (purpose for FISA orders), 220 (nationwide service of search warrants for electronic evidence), 223 (civil liability and discipline for privacy violations), and 225 (provider immunity for FISA wiretap assistance).
The unimpaired provisions of Title II are: section
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Patriot Act Provisions that sunset after 12/31/05
After I read the article, despite it not being about the Patriot Act, it reminded me that I need to get on the bandwagon about writing to my rent-a-legislators (state/federal) about opposing any attempts to extend the USA PATRIOT Act Provisions That Expire on December 31, 2005. I'll definately be boning up at EPIC's The USA PATRIOT Act page.
Another good reference source that came my way via the Federation of American Scientists' Project on Government Secrecy"Secrecy News Newsletter" was their archive of Congressional Research Service reports on Secrecy and Security.
The one I will reference in my correspondences will be the report:
USA Patriot Act Sunset:Provisions That Expire on December 31, 2005 (PDF - 107 Kb - 22 pages)
January 2, 2004
Charles Doyle
Senior Specialist
American Law DivisionHere's the summary with section listed:
SummarySeveral sections of Title II of the USA PATRIOT Act (the Act) relating to enhanced foreign intelligence and law enforcement surveillance authority expire on December 31, 2005. Thereafter, the authority remains in effect only as it relates to foreign intelligence investigations begun before sunset or to offenses or potential offense begun or occurring before that date. There may be some disagreement of whether a "potential offense" is a suspected crime, an incomplete crime, or both.
The consequences of sunset are not the same for every expiring section. In some instances the temporary provision has been replaced with a permanent one; in some, other provisions have been made temporarybyattached to an expiring section; in still others, the apparent impact of termination has been mitigated by related provisions either in the Act or elsewhere.
The temporary provisions are: sections 201 (wiretapping in terrorism cases), 202 (wiretapping in computer fraud and abuse felony cases), 203(b) (sharing wiretap information), 203(d) (sharing foreign intelligence information), 204 (Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) pen register/trap & trace exceptions), 206 (roving FISA wiretaps), 207 (duration of FISA surveillance of non-United States persons who are agents of a foreign power), 209 (seizure of voice-mail messages pursuant to warrants), 212 (emergency disclosure of electronic surveillance), 214 (FISApen register/ trap and trace authority), 215 (FISAaccess to tangible items), 217 (interception of computer trespasser communications), 218 (purpose for FISA orders), 220 (nationwide service of search warrants for electronic evidence), 223 (civil liability and discipline for privacy violations), and 225 (provider immunity for FISA wiretap assistance).
The unimpaired provisions of Title II are: section
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Patriot Act Provisions that sunset after 12/31/05
After I read the article, despite it not being about the Patriot Act, it reminded me that I need to get on the bandwagon about writing to my rent-a-legislators (state/federal) about opposing any attempts to extend the USA PATRIOT Act Provisions That Expire on December 31, 2005. I'll definately be boning up at EPIC's The USA PATRIOT Act page.
Another good reference source that came my way via the Federation of American Scientists' Project on Government Secrecy"Secrecy News Newsletter" was their archive of Congressional Research Service reports on Secrecy and Security.
The one I will reference in my correspondences will be the report:
USA Patriot Act Sunset:Provisions That Expire on December 31, 2005 (PDF - 107 Kb - 22 pages)
January 2, 2004
Charles Doyle
Senior Specialist
American Law DivisionHere's the summary with section listed:
SummarySeveral sections of Title II of the USA PATRIOT Act (the Act) relating to enhanced foreign intelligence and law enforcement surveillance authority expire on December 31, 2005. Thereafter, the authority remains in effect only as it relates to foreign intelligence investigations begun before sunset or to offenses or potential offense begun or occurring before that date. There may be some disagreement of whether a "potential offense" is a suspected crime, an incomplete crime, or both.
The consequences of sunset are not the same for every expiring section. In some instances the temporary provision has been replaced with a permanent one; in some, other provisions have been made temporarybyattached to an expiring section; in still others, the apparent impact of termination has been mitigated by related provisions either in the Act or elsewhere.
The temporary provisions are: sections 201 (wiretapping in terrorism cases), 202 (wiretapping in computer fraud and abuse felony cases), 203(b) (sharing wiretap information), 203(d) (sharing foreign intelligence information), 204 (Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) pen register/trap & trace exceptions), 206 (roving FISA wiretaps), 207 (duration of FISA surveillance of non-United States persons who are agents of a foreign power), 209 (seizure of voice-mail messages pursuant to warrants), 212 (emergency disclosure of electronic surveillance), 214 (FISApen register/ trap and trace authority), 215 (FISAaccess to tangible items), 217 (interception of computer trespasser communications), 218 (purpose for FISA orders), 220 (nationwide service of search warrants for electronic evidence), 223 (civil liability and discipline for privacy violations), and 225 (provider immunity for FISA wiretap assistance).
The unimpaired provisions of Title II are: section
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Patriot Act Provisions that sunset after 12/31/05
After I read the article, despite it not being about the Patriot Act, it reminded me that I need to get on the bandwagon about writing to my rent-a-legislators (state/federal) about opposing any attempts to extend the USA PATRIOT Act Provisions That Expire on December 31, 2005. I'll definately be boning up at EPIC's The USA PATRIOT Act page.
Another good reference source that came my way via the Federation of American Scientists' Project on Government Secrecy"Secrecy News Newsletter" was their archive of Congressional Research Service reports on Secrecy and Security.
The one I will reference in my correspondences will be the report:
USA Patriot Act Sunset:Provisions That Expire on December 31, 2005 (PDF - 107 Kb - 22 pages)
January 2, 2004
Charles Doyle
Senior Specialist
American Law DivisionHere's the summary with section listed:
SummarySeveral sections of Title II of the USA PATRIOT Act (the Act) relating to enhanced foreign intelligence and law enforcement surveillance authority expire on December 31, 2005. Thereafter, the authority remains in effect only as it relates to foreign intelligence investigations begun before sunset or to offenses or potential offense begun or occurring before that date. There may be some disagreement of whether a "potential offense" is a suspected crime, an incomplete crime, or both.
The consequences of sunset are not the same for every expiring section. In some instances the temporary provision has been replaced with a permanent one; in some, other provisions have been made temporarybyattached to an expiring section; in still others, the apparent impact of termination has been mitigated by related provisions either in the Act or elsewhere.
The temporary provisions are: sections 201 (wiretapping in terrorism cases), 202 (wiretapping in computer fraud and abuse felony cases), 203(b) (sharing wiretap information), 203(d) (sharing foreign intelligence information), 204 (Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) pen register/trap & trace exceptions), 206 (roving FISA wiretaps), 207 (duration of FISA surveillance of non-United States persons who are agents of a foreign power), 209 (seizure of voice-mail messages pursuant to warrants), 212 (emergency disclosure of electronic surveillance), 214 (FISApen register/ trap and trace authority), 215 (FISAaccess to tangible items), 217 (interception of computer trespasser communications), 218 (purpose for FISA orders), 220 (nationwide service of search warrants for electronic evidence), 223 (civil liability and discipline for privacy violations), and 225 (provider immunity for FISA wiretap assistance).
The unimpaired provisions of Title II are: section
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Patriot Act Provisions that sunset after 12/31/05
After I read the article, despite it not being about the Patriot Act, it reminded me that I need to get on the bandwagon about writing to my rent-a-legislators (state/federal) about opposing any attempts to extend the USA PATRIOT Act Provisions That Expire on December 31, 2005. I'll definately be boning up at EPIC's The USA PATRIOT Act page.
Another good reference source that came my way via the Federation of American Scientists' Project on Government Secrecy"Secrecy News Newsletter" was their archive of Congressional Research Service reports on Secrecy and Security.
The one I will reference in my correspondences will be the report:
USA Patriot Act Sunset:Provisions That Expire on December 31, 2005 (PDF - 107 Kb - 22 pages)
January 2, 2004
Charles Doyle
Senior Specialist
American Law DivisionHere's the summary with section listed:
SummarySeveral sections of Title II of the USA PATRIOT Act (the Act) relating to enhanced foreign intelligence and law enforcement surveillance authority expire on December 31, 2005. Thereafter, the authority remains in effect only as it relates to foreign intelligence investigations begun before sunset or to offenses or potential offense begun or occurring before that date. There may be some disagreement of whether a "potential offense" is a suspected crime, an incomplete crime, or both.
The consequences of sunset are not the same for every expiring section. In some instances the temporary provision has been replaced with a permanent one; in some, other provisions have been made temporarybyattached to an expiring section; in still others, the apparent impact of termination has been mitigated by related provisions either in the Act or elsewhere.
The temporary provisions are: sections 201 (wiretapping in terrorism cases), 202 (wiretapping in computer fraud and abuse felony cases), 203(b) (sharing wiretap information), 203(d) (sharing foreign intelligence information), 204 (Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) pen register/trap & trace exceptions), 206 (roving FISA wiretaps), 207 (duration of FISA surveillance of non-United States persons who are agents of a foreign power), 209 (seizure of voice-mail messages pursuant to warrants), 212 (emergency disclosure of electronic surveillance), 214 (FISApen register/ trap and trace authority), 215 (FISAaccess to tangible items), 217 (interception of computer trespasser communications), 218 (purpose for FISA orders), 220 (nationwide service of search warrants for electronic evidence), 223 (civil liability and discipline for privacy violations), and 225 (provider immunity for FISA wiretap assistance).
The unimpaired provisions of Title II are: section
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Patriot Act Provisions that sunset after 12/31/05
After I read the article, despite it not being about the Patriot Act, it reminded me that I need to get on the bandwagon about writing to my rent-a-legislators (state/federal) about opposing any attempts to extend the USA PATRIOT Act Provisions That Expire on December 31, 2005. I'll definately be boning up at EPIC's The USA PATRIOT Act page.
Another good reference source that came my way via the Federation of American Scientists' Project on Government Secrecy"Secrecy News Newsletter" was their archive of Congressional Research Service reports on Secrecy and Security.
The one I will reference in my correspondences will be the report:
USA Patriot Act Sunset:Provisions That Expire on December 31, 2005 (PDF - 107 Kb - 22 pages)
January 2, 2004
Charles Doyle
Senior Specialist
American Law DivisionHere's the summary with section listed:
SummarySeveral sections of Title II of the USA PATRIOT Act (the Act) relating to enhanced foreign intelligence and law enforcement surveillance authority expire on December 31, 2005. Thereafter, the authority remains in effect only as it relates to foreign intelligence investigations begun before sunset or to offenses or potential offense begun or occurring before that date. There may be some disagreement of whether a "potential offense" is a suspected crime, an incomplete crime, or both.
The consequences of sunset are not the same for every expiring section. In some instances the temporary provision has been replaced with a permanent one; in some, other provisions have been made temporarybyattached to an expiring section; in still others, the apparent impact of termination has been mitigated by related provisions either in the Act or elsewhere.
The temporary provisions are: sections 201 (wiretapping in terrorism cases), 202 (wiretapping in computer fraud and abuse felony cases), 203(b) (sharing wiretap information), 203(d) (sharing foreign intelligence information), 204 (Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) pen register/trap & trace exceptions), 206 (roving FISA wiretaps), 207 (duration of FISA surveillance of non-United States persons who are agents of a foreign power), 209 (seizure of voice-mail messages pursuant to warrants), 212 (emergency disclosure of electronic surveillance), 214 (FISApen register/ trap and trace authority), 215 (FISAaccess to tangible items), 217 (interception of computer trespasser communications), 218 (purpose for FISA orders), 220 (nationwide service of search warrants for electronic evidence), 223 (civil liability and discipline for privacy violations), and 225 (provider immunity for FISA wiretap assistance).
The unimpaired provisions of Title II are: section
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Patriot Act Provisions that sunset after 12/31/05
After I read the article, despite it not being about the Patriot Act, it reminded me that I need to get on the bandwagon about writing to my rent-a-legislators (state/federal) about opposing any attempts to extend the USA PATRIOT Act Provisions That Expire on December 31, 2005. I'll definately be boning up at EPIC's The USA PATRIOT Act page.
Another good reference source that came my way via the Federation of American Scientists' Project on Government Secrecy"Secrecy News Newsletter" was their archive of Congressional Research Service reports on Secrecy and Security.
The one I will reference in my correspondences will be the report:
USA Patriot Act Sunset:Provisions That Expire on December 31, 2005 (PDF - 107 Kb - 22 pages)
January 2, 2004
Charles Doyle
Senior Specialist
American Law DivisionHere's the summary with section listed:
SummarySeveral sections of Title II of the USA PATRIOT Act (the Act) relating to enhanced foreign intelligence and law enforcement surveillance authority expire on December 31, 2005. Thereafter, the authority remains in effect only as it relates to foreign intelligence investigations begun before sunset or to offenses or potential offense begun or occurring before that date. There may be some disagreement of whether a "potential offense" is a suspected crime, an incomplete crime, or both.
The consequences of sunset are not the same for every expiring section. In some instances the temporary provision has been replaced with a permanent one; in some, other provisions have been made temporarybyattached to an expiring section; in still others, the apparent impact of termination has been mitigated by related provisions either in the Act or elsewhere.
The temporary provisions are: sections 201 (wiretapping in terrorism cases), 202 (wiretapping in computer fraud and abuse felony cases), 203(b) (sharing wiretap information), 203(d) (sharing foreign intelligence information), 204 (Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) pen register/trap & trace exceptions), 206 (roving FISA wiretaps), 207 (duration of FISA surveillance of non-United States persons who are agents of a foreign power), 209 (seizure of voice-mail messages pursuant to warrants), 212 (emergency disclosure of electronic surveillance), 214 (FISApen register/ trap and trace authority), 215 (FISAaccess to tangible items), 217 (interception of computer trespasser communications), 218 (purpose for FISA orders), 220 (nationwide service of search warrants for electronic evidence), 223 (civil liability and discipline for privacy violations), and 225 (provider immunity for FISA wiretap assistance).
The unimpaired provisions of Title II are: section
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Patriot Act Provisions that sunset after 12/31/05
After I read the article, despite it not being about the Patriot Act, it reminded me that I need to get on the bandwagon about writing to my rent-a-legislators (state/federal) about opposing any attempts to extend the USA PATRIOT Act Provisions That Expire on December 31, 2005. I'll definately be boning up at EPIC's The USA PATRIOT Act page.
Another good reference source that came my way via the Federation of American Scientists' Project on Government Secrecy"Secrecy News Newsletter" was their archive of Congressional Research Service reports on Secrecy and Security.
The one I will reference in my correspondences will be the report:
USA Patriot Act Sunset:Provisions That Expire on December 31, 2005 (PDF - 107 Kb - 22 pages)
January 2, 2004
Charles Doyle
Senior Specialist
American Law DivisionHere's the summary with section listed:
SummarySeveral sections of Title II of the USA PATRIOT Act (the Act) relating to enhanced foreign intelligence and law enforcement surveillance authority expire on December 31, 2005. Thereafter, the authority remains in effect only as it relates to foreign intelligence investigations begun before sunset or to offenses or potential offense begun or occurring before that date. There may be some disagreement of whether a "potential offense" is a suspected crime, an incomplete crime, or both.
The consequences of sunset are not the same for every expiring section. In some instances the temporary provision has been replaced with a permanent one; in some, other provisions have been made temporarybyattached to an expiring section; in still others, the apparent impact of termination has been mitigated by related provisions either in the Act or elsewhere.
The temporary provisions are: sections 201 (wiretapping in terrorism cases), 202 (wiretapping in computer fraud and abuse felony cases), 203(b) (sharing wiretap information), 203(d) (sharing foreign intelligence information), 204 (Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) pen register/trap & trace exceptions), 206 (roving FISA wiretaps), 207 (duration of FISA surveillance of non-United States persons who are agents of a foreign power), 209 (seizure of voice-mail messages pursuant to warrants), 212 (emergency disclosure of electronic surveillance), 214 (FISApen register/ trap and trace authority), 215 (FISAaccess to tangible items), 217 (interception of computer trespasser communications), 218 (purpose for FISA orders), 220 (nationwide service of search warrants for electronic evidence), 223 (civil liability and discipline for privacy violations), and 225 (provider immunity for FISA wiretap assistance).
The unimpaired provisions of Title II are: section
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Patriot Act Provisions that sunset after 12/31/05
After I read the article, despite it not being about the Patriot Act, it reminded me that I need to get on the bandwagon about writing to my rent-a-legislators (state/federal) about opposing any attempts to extend the USA PATRIOT Act Provisions That Expire on December 31, 2005. I'll definately be boning up at EPIC's The USA PATRIOT Act page.
Another good reference source that came my way via the Federation of American Scientists' Project on Government Secrecy"Secrecy News Newsletter" was their archive of Congressional Research Service reports on Secrecy and Security.
The one I will reference in my correspondences will be the report:
USA Patriot Act Sunset:Provisions That Expire on December 31, 2005 (PDF - 107 Kb - 22 pages)
January 2, 2004
Charles Doyle
Senior Specialist
American Law DivisionHere's the summary with section listed:
SummarySeveral sections of Title II of the USA PATRIOT Act (the Act) relating to enhanced foreign intelligence and law enforcement surveillance authority expire on December 31, 2005. Thereafter, the authority remains in effect only as it relates to foreign intelligence investigations begun before sunset or to offenses or potential offense begun or occurring before that date. There may be some disagreement of whether a "potential offense" is a suspected crime, an incomplete crime, or both.
The consequences of sunset are not the same for every expiring section. In some instances the temporary provision has been replaced with a permanent one; in some, other provisions have been made temporarybyattached to an expiring section; in still others, the apparent impact of termination has been mitigated by related provisions either in the Act or elsewhere.
The temporary provisions are: sections 201 (wiretapping in terrorism cases), 202 (wiretapping in computer fraud and abuse felony cases), 203(b) (sharing wiretap information), 203(d) (sharing foreign intelligence information), 204 (Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) pen register/trap & trace exceptions), 206 (roving FISA wiretaps), 207 (duration of FISA surveillance of non-United States persons who are agents of a foreign power), 209 (seizure of voice-mail messages pursuant to warrants), 212 (emergency disclosure of electronic surveillance), 214 (FISApen register/ trap and trace authority), 215 (FISAaccess to tangible items), 217 (interception of computer trespasser communications), 218 (purpose for FISA orders), 220 (nationwide service of search warrants for electronic evidence), 223 (civil liability and discipline for privacy violations), and 225 (provider immunity for FISA wiretap assistance).
The unimpaired provisions of Title II are: section
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Patriot Act Provisions that sunset after 12/31/05
After I read the article, despite it not being about the Patriot Act, it reminded me that I need to get on the bandwagon about writing to my rent-a-legislators (state/federal) about opposing any attempts to extend the USA PATRIOT Act Provisions That Expire on December 31, 2005. I'll definately be boning up at EPIC's The USA PATRIOT Act page.
Another good reference source that came my way via the Federation of American Scientists' Project on Government Secrecy"Secrecy News Newsletter" was their archive of Congressional Research Service reports on Secrecy and Security.
The one I will reference in my correspondences will be the report:
USA Patriot Act Sunset:Provisions That Expire on December 31, 2005 (PDF - 107 Kb - 22 pages)
January 2, 2004
Charles Doyle
Senior Specialist
American Law DivisionHere's the summary with section listed:
SummarySeveral sections of Title II of the USA PATRIOT Act (the Act) relating to enhanced foreign intelligence and law enforcement surveillance authority expire on December 31, 2005. Thereafter, the authority remains in effect only as it relates to foreign intelligence investigations begun before sunset or to offenses or potential offense begun or occurring before that date. There may be some disagreement of whether a "potential offense" is a suspected crime, an incomplete crime, or both.
The consequences of sunset are not the same for every expiring section. In some instances the temporary provision has been replaced with a permanent one; in some, other provisions have been made temporarybyattached to an expiring section; in still others, the apparent impact of termination has been mitigated by related provisions either in the Act or elsewhere.
The temporary provisions are: sections 201 (wiretapping in terrorism cases), 202 (wiretapping in computer fraud and abuse felony cases), 203(b) (sharing wiretap information), 203(d) (sharing foreign intelligence information), 204 (Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) pen register/trap & trace exceptions), 206 (roving FISA wiretaps), 207 (duration of FISA surveillance of non-United States persons who are agents of a foreign power), 209 (seizure of voice-mail messages pursuant to warrants), 212 (emergency disclosure of electronic surveillance), 214 (FISApen register/ trap and trace authority), 215 (FISAaccess to tangible items), 217 (interception of computer trespasser communications), 218 (purpose for FISA orders), 220 (nationwide service of search warrants for electronic evidence), 223 (civil liability and discipline for privacy violations), and 225 (provider immunity for FISA wiretap assistance).
The unimpaired provisions of Title II are: section
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Patriot Act Provisions that sunset after 12/31/05
After I read the article, despite it not being about the Patriot Act, it reminded me that I need to get on the bandwagon about writing to my rent-a-legislators (state/federal) about opposing any attempts to extend the USA PATRIOT Act Provisions That Expire on December 31, 2005. I'll definately be boning up at EPIC's The USA PATRIOT Act page.
Another good reference source that came my way via the Federation of American Scientists' Project on Government Secrecy"Secrecy News Newsletter" was their archive of Congressional Research Service reports on Secrecy and Security.
The one I will reference in my correspondences will be the report:
USA Patriot Act Sunset:Provisions That Expire on December 31, 2005 (PDF - 107 Kb - 22 pages)
January 2, 2004
Charles Doyle
Senior Specialist
American Law DivisionHere's the summary with section listed:
SummarySeveral sections of Title II of the USA PATRIOT Act (the Act) relating to enhanced foreign intelligence and law enforcement surveillance authority expire on December 31, 2005. Thereafter, the authority remains in effect only as it relates to foreign intelligence investigations begun before sunset or to offenses or potential offense begun or occurring before that date. There may be some disagreement of whether a "potential offense" is a suspected crime, an incomplete crime, or both.
The consequences of sunset are not the same for every expiring section. In some instances the temporary provision has been replaced with a permanent one; in some, other provisions have been made temporarybyattached to an expiring section; in still others, the apparent impact of termination has been mitigated by related provisions either in the Act or elsewhere.
The temporary provisions are: sections 201 (wiretapping in terrorism cases), 202 (wiretapping in computer fraud and abuse felony cases), 203(b) (sharing wiretap information), 203(d) (sharing foreign intelligence information), 204 (Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) pen register/trap & trace exceptions), 206 (roving FISA wiretaps), 207 (duration of FISA surveillance of non-United States persons who are agents of a foreign power), 209 (seizure of voice-mail messages pursuant to warrants), 212 (emergency disclosure of electronic surveillance), 214 (FISApen register/ trap and trace authority), 215 (FISAaccess to tangible items), 217 (interception of computer trespasser communications), 218 (purpose for FISA orders), 220 (nationwide service of search warrants for electronic evidence), 223 (civil liability and discipline for privacy violations), and 225 (provider immunity for FISA wiretap assistance).
The unimpaired provisions of Title II are: section
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Re:PreferenceThis probably wasn't a prototype weapon. According to the Federation of American Scientists, Iraq actually weaponized binary agents.
Production of the nerve gases tabun (GA) and sarin (GB) started in 1984 and the method of production changed over time in order to resolve stabilization problems.
... ... The sarin produced was also of poor quality (maximum purity of 60 per cent when solvent is taken into account) and so too could only be stored for short periods. In order to overcome this problem, Iraq resorted to a binary approach to weaponization: ...
Although this one was used as a roadside bomb, the next one may not be. Even if they do use it as a roadside bomb I will point out that a chemical munition could be devestating under the right circumstances.
Assuming that they didn't know what they had to begin with, they almost certainly do now, and will go back for more from where that one came from. There are a variety of techniques they could try to make their next attack more effective. Lets hope we both get them and their stockpile before they are successful.
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Re:What would have been the point..
Hmm, while there were some claims of disparities between what Pakistan claimed to have tested and what could be independently verified, according to FAS it seems pretty clear that Pakistan did explode several nuclear weapons.
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Re:Interesting way to make a political statement
I'd like to point out to whoever modded parent "insightful," that he's actually a troll.
Well, first of all, no, that hasn't been shown, by anybody. And secondly, the leftover stockpiles from Iran-Iraq are precisely what Saddam was accused of hiding.
Which, with Iraq's shelf-life problem of the time would have been mostly harmless goo by the end of the 80's, let alone by 2003.
The truth is Pres. Bush said Saddam had tried to buy uraniam from Niger.. AFTER being told it was NOT true
Except it was true. Again with the googling.
Again, you're a troll.
Your so-called Czech connection consists of one of the hijackers maybe metting ONCE with an Iraqi Miliary Intelligence officer in April 2001 according to an unverified Czech report by a resturant entrepreneur.
The Ansar al-Islam - Al Qaida connection may or may not be real, but it doesn't matter as links between the ultra religious sect and the militantly athiest Saddam Hussein remain circumstancial and second hand.
As for the documentary evidence... What documentary evidence? Do you mean this?
Google it. We ain't your momma.
You know, I've got a ton of information which is all true and totally proves my point. Saddam was actually working with Bush to cement Bush's presidency and get Saddam out of the country before the rebellion. The fact that you can't find any of my sources just proves that you're ugly.
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UK and Echelon
"the UK is part of the EU, but its intelligence services are among Echelon's sponsors."
It's kind of an open secret that the UK and the US together spy on Europe. In particular, there is evidence that the US used intelligence supplied from UK-based surveillance stations in order to give American companies advantages. One of those stations is at Menwith Hill. Mark Thomas did a stunt by flying over it IIRC in a balloon to see what would happen and had a party too. -
Right-wing nutcasesI think we should all be careful about repeating the "fact" that Microsoft is a past donor to the Alexis de Tocqueville Institution. I've yet to find a primary reference to this relationship, which seems to exist primarily in the Open Source press. Of course, if anyone has a better reference, such as a financial statement
...But we really don't need a Microsoft link to demonstrate the Alexis de Tocqueville Institution's grotesque ideological bias. While the think-tank positions itself as an independent, libertarian research group designed to "study, promote, and extend the principles of classical liberalism: political equality, civil liberty, and economic freedom," they function, more often than not, as a shill for Big Business and the far political right.
AdTI is a fellow-traveler of neoconservative think tanks such as the Heritage Foundation and shadowy groups like the "Defenders of Property Rights," with whom they are aligned as part of an anti-Clean Air Act hit squad ironically misnamed the Cooler Heads Coalition. These are the folks who have been grinding out the industrialist propaganda which has allowed the Bush Administration to roll back environmental laws a couple of decades.
The Alexis de Tocqueville Institute can always be counted upon for a convenient white paper discounting the risks of tobacco smoking or in favor of vastly expensive weapons programs of dubious utility.
It's tough to source the funding of private institutes, but the folks at Media Transparency have taken a stab at AdTI. Big sugar daddies include the Bradley Foundation, which gives away millions each year to attack social programs and support the privatization of government services. There's also the John M. Olin Foundation, which has lavishly funded a host of robber baron nonprofits over the years.
So it's no surprise that the Alexis de Tocqueville Institiute -- which seems to exist to provide a moral compass for the richest and most powerful interests in the West -- should be seen to carry water for anti-Open Source reactionaries. What's bad for big business must be bad for the nation. Linux must be discredited before it causes more distress for the market planners at Microsoft.
The only freedom being defended by groups like AdTI is the feedom to buy what the Establishment is selling. And at a price they decide.
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Re:Bush/Hitler references not a troll?How many sent troops?
About 28 from the list I've seen.
How many sent troops in any meaningfull numbers?
Depends on what you consider "meaningful." A company sized unit is a certainly useful, and I would consider it meaningful. I would consider Special forces to count even if below that size. By this criterion: 23 + 1. 17 nations have sent large enough numbers to form a battalion even if the units they sent weren't actually formed as a battalion.
How many of those were looking for entry into NATO at the time?
That isn't particularly relevant, but since you ask, the number might be as high as 7. I think it is a little lower though.
With a few simple stipulations you get 3, UK, Spain, and Poland.
You left out Italy, Australia, Korea, Japan, Netherlands, Thailand, El Salvador, and a number of others.
I will also point out that this list doesn't include countries that provided use of air bases, logistical support, sent naval forces, provided intelligence, or various other support.
And the war is unjustifable.
To you, maybe. A substantial percentage of the American people and a number of nations disagree with you.
No WMD,
That we've found... yet. There is still a lot of work that needs to be done in Iraq. Iraq made a number of declarations about their work on banned weapons and technologies which left a lot of questions unanswered, and a variety of weapons and material unaccounted for. Just to whet your appetite I've provided an extract from the United Nations Monitoring, Verification and Inspection Commission working document on Unresolved Disarmament Issues - Iraq's Proscribed Weapons Programmes.
Work on another aircraft, the L-29 jet trainer, to convert it to a RPV started in November 1995 and continued until at least 2000. The L-29, although smaller and less capable than the MiG, could still be used to deliver CBW agent in quantities that would pose a significant threat to neighbouring countries.
no terrorist links,
Iraq's ties to terrorism are well known to anyone who cares to know. They were very public in their support and payments to the families of suicide bombers in Israel. Iraq under Saddam also had plenty of other links to terrorists.
and don't even fucking start on the Nation Building freedom shit becasue that IS A BALD FACED LIE.
That may not be why we went there, but we are certainly doing it now.
Thanks to the Vulcans and groupthink we are going to blow 100 billion on raising the value of Cheney's stock options in Halliburton.
That is another dry hole for you. Cheney divested his Halliburton stock in 2000.
Yes, yes he is. You can "explain" why he did it, or what it might or might not have achived as much as you want but the truth to wholly contained in what he said. He invited attacks on U.S. Troops.
Your claim that President Bush is a traitor because of that statement, in which he both expressed confidence in our troops, and goaded our enemies, is farcical. But believe what you will, I doubt that it will provide much comfort in the long run. Neither American soldiers nor the vast majority of the American people view him as a traitor. If you really believe that you are in a small minority well outside the mainstream. -
Re:Anyone understand the cavitating torpedo?
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Re:Some thoughts
About 200 knots, actually.
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Re:Here's an idea...
The US already does this.
From FAS
"The US unilaterally undertook not to use, and to place in inactive stockpile status with the intent to demilitarize by the end of 1999, all nonself-destructing AP mines not needed to train personnel engaged in demining and countermine operations, and to defend the United States and its allies from armed aggression that crosses the Korean Demilitarized Zone."
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Forget future weapons
Deal with the ones we currently have
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We all know Russia has plenty of weapons that are unaccounted for, (or some that have bad care taking/accounting). So instead of funding all this new bullshit, and this useless war on Iraq, how about we keep funding for arms control like Nunn-Lugar or Start III ?
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Re:Doesn't carbon fibre burn?
One word: SM-2 MR.
Your OTH launch platform was just shot down by a Block III SM-2 MR, since it needed to get within 65 km - meanwhile the SM-2 MR shot it down while it was still 100km out.
Start talking about AS-6 and you might be closer to the mark, though the SM-2 MR will shoot down that missile as easily as it toasted your launch platform just now.
You need to conduct a massive attack on an AEGIS platform if you expect to take it out. -
Outlaw BanditFor an interesting read on earlier US efforts to stealth-ify its ships, take a look at this Federation of American Scientists site.
Sean
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Re:Doesn't carbon fibre burn?
Your theory fails to take into account surface to air missiles. I'd like to see your airplanes vs. an AEGIS cruiser.
One word: Exocet.
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Re:Doesn't carbon fibre burn?
Your theory fails to take into account surface to air missiles. I'd like to see your airplanes vs. an AEGIS cruiser.
One word: Exocet.
AEGIS or no AEGIS, defence against over-the-horizon anti-ship-missile attacks is nearly impossible. And the next generation of missiles is even deadlier. -
Sea Shadow
Amazed nobody has mentioned this. The US has had a stealth ship for quite a while now - a direct spinoff of the Stealth Fighter/Bomber program. http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/sea_shado
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Re:NASA profits from psuedoscience(nuclear propulsion is coming soon)
We were closer to nuclear propulsion forty years ago, with NERVA, Kiwi, Phoebus, and Orion. Several of those were actually built. Today, it's all vaporware.
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Re:Applications
The satellites don't "find" you or "tell you where you are."
Of course, once the GPS unit has computed your position, anything with RF transmission capability can phone home and relay that information.
These radio's do just that.
So does this Air Force SAR radio.
Even this thing like LoJack called ThiefJack
Even the Call For Help Watch to track your children can do it.
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Re:Red mercury?
the fireball of a nuke is its liberated gamma rays interacting with the atmosphere and being turned into heat
The majority of a fission reaction's fireball comes from the Brehmsstrahlung Effect. Uranium fisses into two incredibly ionized fragments each with a +46 charge on average. Those fragments have a huge amount of kinetic energy and, due to their enormous charge, tend to stop within inches of the detonation--meaning all that energy gets liberated as heat inside a sphere about the same size as a beach ball.
That's the fireball for you.
That's obviously almost certainly correct when you think about the basic physics. I can't remember my source for gamma ray heating of air causing the fireball (although it might contribute some)....
The entire idea that "gamma is easily absorbed by air" is nonsense.
Indeed --- otherwise Enhance Radiation warheads (aka "The Neutron Bomb") like the Sprint's (but not whatever it was we deployed in Europe) wouldn't make sense. Therefore it's a good thing I said in the context of gamma/X-ray lasers that "gamma/X-rays don't propagate through the atmosphere very well."
This has been one of the major arguments for the use of nuclear pumped X-ray lasers in space for ballistic missile defense; they can't kill cities.
If gamma is easily absorbed by air, then why did I have to wear a lead apron whenever I was around a gamma source? Because gamma travels through air quite readily, and ionizes holy hell out of your body tissues as it travels through you.
Pretty obviously it's a question of distance, made more complicated for a laser by the inverse square law not applying, although collimation is obviously important; scattering is probably the major factor (the cause of "skyshine").
For an excellent reference on the physics of nuclear weapons, check the Federation of American Scientists' website, particularly the essay The Holocaust Bomb: A Question of Time
This I can't entirely recommend (like I suppose everything else, but the FAS is particularly suspect; they and this essay are certainly open about their agenda). For an essay who's thesis is that excessive secrecy is a bad thing, it's curious but very politically correct to omit any mention of Teller's campaign against that. It also ignores the evidence against Oppenheimer WRT the clearance issue, which has been partly confirmed after the fall of the Soviet Union: at a museum exhibit honoring their atomic spies (the third of which is still unknown...), Oppenheimer has a place, but not as a spy per se (the guide(s) were not clear about his role while they were about the confirmed spys).
I'm simply uncomfortable with anything that puts a pure white hat on Oppenheimer and a black hat on Teller, or someone who tries to write about nuclear war fighting without taking it seriously, i.e. thinking and/or reading about how nukes would be used if worst comes to worst (obviously his understandable dislike for the concept is the likely cause). Morland's bias and gross ignorance about this field, etc. makes the whole essay a questionable thing, and it's been amply demonstrated that you need to carefully check technical papers in the areas where they result in support for a thoroughly biased author's thesis.
(I suspect Morland is trying to be honest as he can, but too strong a bias can e.g. cause one to not sufficiently check convenient results.)
Unfortunately, we have to start "thinking about the unthinkable" again; "Wretchard's" indispensable essays in his Belmont Club blog make the case better than I can, but the bottom line is that a likel
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Re:Red mercury?
the fireball of a nuke is its liberated gamma rays interacting with the atmosphere and being turned into heat
The majority of a fission reaction's fireball comes from the Brehmsstrahlung Effect. Uranium fisses into two incredibly ionized fragments each with a +46 charge on average. Those fragments have a huge amount of kinetic energy and, due to their enormous charge, tend to stop within inches of the detonation--meaning all that energy gets liberated as heat inside a sphere about the same size as a beach ball.
That's the fireball for you.
That's obviously almost certainly correct when you think about the basic physics. I can't remember my source for gamma ray heating of air causing the fireball (although it might contribute some)....
The entire idea that "gamma is easily absorbed by air" is nonsense.
Indeed --- otherwise Enhance Radiation warheads (aka "The Neutron Bomb") like the Sprint's (but not whatever it was we deployed in Europe) wouldn't make sense. Therefore it's a good thing I said in the context of gamma/X-ray lasers that "gamma/X-rays don't propagate through the atmosphere very well."
This has been one of the major arguments for the use of nuclear pumped X-ray lasers in space for ballistic missile defense; they can't kill cities.
If gamma is easily absorbed by air, then why did I have to wear a lead apron whenever I was around a gamma source? Because gamma travels through air quite readily, and ionizes holy hell out of your body tissues as it travels through you.
Pretty obviously it's a question of distance, made more complicated for a laser by the inverse square law not applying, although collimation is obviously important; scattering is probably the major factor (the cause of "skyshine").
For an excellent reference on the physics of nuclear weapons, check the Federation of American Scientists' website, particularly the essay The Holocaust Bomb: A Question of Time
This I can't entirely recommend (like I suppose everything else, but the FAS is particularly suspect; they and this essay are certainly open about their agenda). For an essay who's thesis is that excessive secrecy is a bad thing, it's curious but very politically correct to omit any mention of Teller's campaign against that. It also ignores the evidence against Oppenheimer WRT the clearance issue, which has been partly confirmed after the fall of the Soviet Union: at a museum exhibit honoring their atomic spies (the third of which is still unknown...), Oppenheimer has a place, but not as a spy per se (the guide(s) were not clear about his role while they were about the confirmed spys).
I'm simply uncomfortable with anything that puts a pure white hat on Oppenheimer and a black hat on Teller, or someone who tries to write about nuclear war fighting without taking it seriously, i.e. thinking and/or reading about how nukes would be used if worst comes to worst (obviously his understandable dislike for the concept is the likely cause). Morland's bias and gross ignorance about this field, etc. makes the whole essay a questionable thing, and it's been amply demonstrated that you need to carefully check technical papers in the areas where they result in support for a thoroughly biased author's thesis.
(I suspect Morland is trying to be honest as he can, but too strong a bias can e.g. cause one to not sufficiently check convenient results.)
Unfortunately, we have to start "thinking about the unthinkable" again; "Wretchard's" indispensable essays in his Belmont Club blog make the case better than I can, but the bottom line is that a likel
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Re:Red mercury?
the fireball of a nuke is its liberated gamma rays interacting with the atmosphere and being turned into heat
The majority of a fission reaction's fireball comes from the Brehmsstrahlung Effect. Uranium fisses into two incredibly ionized fragments each with a +46 charge on average. Those fragments have a huge amount of kinetic energy and, due to their enormous charge, tend to stop within inches of the detonation--meaning all that energy gets liberated as heat inside a sphere about the same size as a beach ball.
That's the fireball for you.
The entire idea that "gamma is easily absorbed by air" is nonsense. If gamma is easily absorbed by air, then why did I have to wear a lead apron whenever I was around a gamma source? Because gamma travels through air quite readily, and ionizes holy hell out of your body tissues as it travels through you.
For an excellent reference on the physics of nuclear weapons, check the Federation of American Scientists' website, particularly the essay The Holocaust Bomb: A Question of Time . -
Re:Red mercury?
the fireball of a nuke is its liberated gamma rays interacting with the atmosphere and being turned into heat
The majority of a fission reaction's fireball comes from the Brehmsstrahlung Effect. Uranium fisses into two incredibly ionized fragments each with a +46 charge on average. Those fragments have a huge amount of kinetic energy and, due to their enormous charge, tend to stop within inches of the detonation--meaning all that energy gets liberated as heat inside a sphere about the same size as a beach ball.
That's the fireball for you.
The entire idea that "gamma is easily absorbed by air" is nonsense. If gamma is easily absorbed by air, then why did I have to wear a lead apron whenever I was around a gamma source? Because gamma travels through air quite readily, and ionizes holy hell out of your body tissues as it travels through you.
For an excellent reference on the physics of nuclear weapons, check the Federation of American Scientists' website, particularly the essay The Holocaust Bomb: A Question of Time . -
Not worth the paper it is written on
Has the success of this test been verified by any third parties? The US Military tends to declare every test a success, regardless of the actual results. Sometimes the tests are rigged to create an illusion of success and other times they just simply lie.
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baby talk
What if we all just agree to be happy and nice? If we just pretend everything is good, it will be. Unfortunately, grownups seem to be bad. And with nuclear weapons, they're going to be bad enough that all of us get killed. One day, it's going to be a lot simpler, when we're all dead, and no one is bad.
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The Patriot Act, Homeland Security, and th FOIA
Just like the original poo-poo'd reports on torture in Iraq, this story is just the tip of the iceberg.
The postings here interested me in looking around for more info.
Unfortunately, it led to this horrendous rant!
In similar news . . . Photographer arrested for taking pictures of vice president's hotel
The Patriot act, Secret Courts and Homeland Security
It only gets worse. The new Patriot Act extension recomendations by Ashcroft includes:From
CNN:
"A draft of the new domestic security bill Ashcroft is seeking, published by a nonprofit government watchdog group in February, indicates that among other things, it would prohibit disclosure of information regarding people detained as terrorist suspects and prevent the Environmental Protection Agency from distributing "worst-case scenario" information to the public about a nearby private company's use of chemicals.
In addition, the measure would create a DNA database of "suspected terrorists;" force suspects to prove why they should be released on bail, rather than have the prosecution prove why they should be held; and allow the deportation of U.S. citizens who become members of or help terrorist groups."The Patriot act, linked with the Homeland Security Act, has gutted the Freedom of Information Act.
From
Wired News Dec. 02, 2002
"One of the most egregious and potentially dangerous of these travesties is the Homeland Security Act's creation of new and very broad exemptions from the Freedom of Information Act. Businesses now have a new way to evade liability for safety violations, hazards to consumers and other abuses. They need merely report the information about their behavior -- even totally unclassified activities -- to the federal government, and claim it's related to homeland security. In the parlance of the Homeland Security Act, they declare the data to be "CII," or Critical Infrastructure Information."In other News from the press: everything is classified now, and won't be released anytime soon. (See "Amendment To Executive Order No. 12958")
How much is this being used now?Local News
"Federal agents sought 1,727 warrants from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court for electronic eavesdropping and physical searches last year, according to a Justice Department filing with Congress. Just four applications were rejected, and two of those were later revised and approved. The number of so-called FISA warrants jumped by 500 from 2002 and has almost doubled since 2001, when 934 applications were approved."
"By comparison, there were 1,442 wiretap petitions in federal and state courts for crimes like drugs and racketeering, according to a separate report from the Administrative Office of U.S. Courts."How much abuse has been identified?
Inspector general's report on Patriot act abuses:
( They *only* found 34 *credible* cases in the 272 complaints. But please remember, it's all secret and there is no public oversight.)
The ACLU issued a report on how the Patriot Act is actually being used. Link Here.
The Migration Policy Institute says:
'Moreover, among those detained (and of the 1,200, the MPI could only identify a third) were "persistent violations of due p -
Re:There is
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Re:Did that in 1960.Some better Links to how this was done:
- shows picture of catching plane, and some more details about the process
- extended History
- Pilots account, among others.
Quote: Catching a film capsule in midair after it was ejected from a CORONA spy satellite was like reeling in a fish, says retired Air Force Col. Tom Sumner.
"It was easy," says Sumner, one of the commanders of a clandestine Hickam task force of C-130s and helicopters assigned to catch the items in flight.
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Re:Did that in 1960.Some better Links to how this was done:
- shows picture of catching plane, and some more details about the process
- extended History
- Pilots account, among others.
Quote: Catching a film capsule in midair after it was ejected from a CORONA spy satellite was like reeling in a fish, says retired Air Force Col. Tom Sumner.
"It was easy," says Sumner, one of the commanders of a clandestine Hickam task force of C-130s and helicopters assigned to catch the items in flight.
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Re:Ouch
Actually the French made the most impressive tank ever (the Leclerc).
A swift, powerful, costly masterpiece of technology. The most reliable defence against what was then regarded as the main threat for France and Western Europe: a Soviet invasion.
Unfortunately the production began two years after the Berlin Wall fell.
Now the few Leclerc tanks that have actually been produced and sold gather dust in French territories or in the Arab emirates.
Typical French: "Toujours en retard d'une guerre" (always one war backwards).
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Aerostat, anyone?
Sounds just like a larger implementation of the not-too-sucessful Aerostat program they tried along the Southern borders of the US.
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Hmm?
Don't they have something which does the same on military jets for use on aircraft carriers? Most notably the F-14 Tomcat, flexible wings that can be pointed backwards for less drag/higher speed and turned to expose more wing area/increase lift/lower minimum speed required to avoid stall. Not to mention the space it saves when folded up.
Anyways, why? Aircraft are pretty specialized items, it's not like you can just pick a generic model and make it do whatever you want, how you want and where you want. As the article states, it could make a difference for aircraft with missions that involve changes in patterns. Surveillance is one, postal services in remote areas ( think Alaska ) might be one too. Perhaps for super-sonic passenger aircraft in the future? Almost surely not for current commercial liners, because there isn't much variety in a 747's flight path. Take off, fly somewhere the shortest way possible at optimal cruise speed, land. ( Preferably in one piece. )
Then again, if super-sonic passenger aircraft really do take off anytime soon... ( No pun intended. )
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Re:Looking at the picture
Air Force uses an F5 variant called the T-38. You see the Shuttle pilots flying these around, and they are used as the chase planes on landing.
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Re:Looking at the picture
Riiiight...
Top right - F-15
Center - Modified F-5
Bottom left - Standard F-5, painted in TigerShark livery.
The F-20 is just slightly different frm the F-5, as evidenced by the extra bulk around the tail root.
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Re:747-400F"Which leads to the question: what other stuff could they zap with this?"
Enemy fuel supplies.
A $3100 Mk84 iron bomb, or (even better) a $2893 CBU-58 incendiery cluster bomb would be cheaper and more likely to be effective.
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Re:747-400F"Which leads to the question: what other stuff could they zap with this?"
Enemy fuel supplies.
A $3100 Mk84 iron bomb, or (even better) a $2893 CBU-58 incendiery cluster bomb would be cheaper and more likely to be effective.
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Re:747-400F
but no spare change left over to pick up a few Stinger missiles.
Stingers are ineffective against a 747. Primarily because they can't reach high enough, and are easily distracted by flares. Additionally, a single Stinger hit won't even bring down a 747! It'll only take out one engine (although that's enough to make the laser inaccurate).
The preferred munition to take out a 747 would be the SA-2, from the 1960s USSR. The only problem there is that the laser might actually be able to take down the SAM in self-defense (depending on how the field-of-fire extends) -
Re:747-400FI don't really think it's a good idea to put one of these on Air Force one for a reason aside from the bulk, etc. I figured it might be a bad idea to have such a large bulk of nasty chemicals on board. I then did a Google search to see what components of chemical laser fuel actually are.
I learned from FAS all about MIRACL, which uses Ethanol and NF3 (Nitrogen Trifluoride), MSDS.
Do we really want the President in an enclosed container with a large volume of NF3 in it? Here's then interesting bit of the MSDS:
EMERGENCY OVERVIEW
Chemical Asphyxiant. When inhaled, this substance reduces the ability of the blood to carry oxygen.
Effects due to reduced oxygen carrying capacity include headache, weakness, dizziness, and mental confusion.The last thing we need in a conflict is this stuff leaking and causing mental confusion, in addition to the stress of the conflict, to the President of the United States.
--Mike--
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Re:747-400FI don't really think it's a good idea to put one of these on Air Force one for a reason aside from the bulk, etc. I figured it might be a bad idea to have such a large bulk of nasty chemicals on board. I then did a Google search to see what components of chemical laser fuel actually are.
I learned from FAS all about MIRACL, which uses Ethanol and NF3 (Nitrogen Trifluoride), MSDS.
Do we really want the President in an enclosed container with a large volume of NF3 in it? Here's then interesting bit of the MSDS:
EMERGENCY OVERVIEW
Chemical Asphyxiant. When inhaled, this substance reduces the ability of the blood to carry oxygen.
Effects due to reduced oxygen carrying capacity include headache, weakness, dizziness, and mental confusion.The last thing we need in a conflict is this stuff leaking and causing mental confusion, in addition to the stress of the conflict, to the President of the United States.
--Mike--
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YAL-1 ABL
This information may be a bit dated, but gives more detailed info on the YAL-1 ABL Airborne Laser, as well as many links to related articles.
-Malfaetor
Reviled did I live, said I, as evil I did deliver
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Re:Probably useless
Don't know about the range of the laser but as keeping plans in the air for extended amounts of time, the USAF has extensive experience doing this The limitation now adays is how long the crew can stand being in the plane. Theoretically its possible to keep a 747 in the air for indefinate amount of time. Google Air Force One or B52 for more info.