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Jim McCoy writes "CNN is reporting that according to China's state media, plans for a manned moon mission have been shelved due to cost. They are planning on a space station though..."
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They finally found the US documents to prove THERE IS NO MOON!!!
The found that after going to the moon, they'd have to go again in an hour. The additive cost was just too much.
Manned space exploration just doesn't make sense folks.
No space *takeout* dinner. Damn!
With your next manned space fright.
Maybe I'm a dick, but I think they should spend their money on their own people before spending it on the moon. True space development does lead to useful technologies, but those people are starving to death over there.
Yeah, you could say something similar to the US and NASA, but it's insulting to the chineese people to compare their situation with even the poorest in this country.
I hate to say it, but if some other country (China, India, Russia, etc.) got their act together and went and did something of note in space, it might inspire the administration and congress of the US to place a higher priority and more resources into the american space program. This is a shameful decision for both China and for the space program of the world.
CNN is reporting that China has scrapped its plans for a space station, due to cost. The Chinese government is committed, however, to launching at least three new biplanes this week.
A space station? That sure is thrifty!
There's an International Space Station... why can't we all work together?
This is obviously something just to save face. Everyone knew they would run into cost issues I believe. It can't be cheap to do stuff on the moon. Just as it can't be cheap to do things in orbit.
Give it 6 months or so and their space station will become some kind of probe, then a rocket, etc...
Der Tod ist der einzige Weg hier raus!
MSG is actually not a natural mineral on the moon as previously thought.
And I always thought the "I" in ISS stood for "international".
of sending a man to the moon? To say they did it? It would be the biggest waste of money since I paid my taxes in April. I just don't see the rationale behind it - it's good they scrubbed it.
that a manned moon mission might endanger their ability to make cheap toys with slave labor for America.
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It was good to see a country that, originally, was so far ahead of the rest of the world astrologically (for example, they made the first recording of a solar eclipse ever in 2136BC) beginning to catch up with the new kids on the block.
Even though they've had to rein in their plans slightly, it should still be good to see them do.
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The visa debacle.
Dumbasses.
Seems like a pretty classical case here. While I think a journey to the moon, even if not original, can still be a great opportunity for scientific research, I'd have to say this is probably a smart move by the Chinese government. A lot of information that could be obtained by such a mission would probably already be known from the American moon landings. And its not worth spending the ungodly amounts of money necessary to rediscover the moon rock.
Besides which, I think this whole thing was just a space program pissing contest in the first place. (Not that the US moon landings weren't.)
I wanted to see an international space race again... just because I might get the chance to work on the software systems. That's some really cool stuff. Perhaps China's space station and our space station can have drag races. That would be sweet! I can see it now, as the US station pulls ahead, race fans everywhere shout: WOO! "That's a big ten-four, you some b*tch monkey n*ts!" (Dr. Evil)
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I mean, he does want to send a space mission to the "weather balloon" and the smaller red "weather balloon."
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US Media conglomerates are worried that other countries might start broadcasting television without them. Let's go to war.
people stand on top of each other to make a giant pyramid, they can still make it to the moon...
They must have spend all the money on the SARS prevention, which makes sense.
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Yet many of the same people modding my post down decry Lockheed TRW Boeing etc for getting too much corporate welfare.
This would have been the only way to get NASA back in action. We really need to get a manned mission to Mars. If China would have gone, we would have HAD to go. Oh well, we'll probably get there eventually. Or not.
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When sending people to the moon you also have to work out how to get back. A space station is much cheaper because you don't have to get.... Oh wait.
Well, it's cheaper because when going to the moon you have to bring heavy equipment into space such as a Moon Rover etc. With a space station you don't have to bring any heavy.... Oh wait.
Um, it's cheaper because... Oh wait.
Huh, uh didn't the international space station cost Billions? Um. Yeah this makes NO sense.
It's much cheaper to fake it.
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While I must concede that the Democrats have curtailed rights in some areas... such as gun control... it is UNDENIABLE that Bush and his crony Ashcroft have done more damage to our Constitutional liberties in the past 3 years than the Democratic Party has done since its inception.
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I simply refuse to put up with limp, Satanic, fellow-travelling shit like this piece of sub-human garbage in your pewling, idiotic post:
"Even the liberals can't control the rotation of the Earth to prevent nightfall from setting in (only Joshua was able to ask for that particular favor!)"
1. The Earth does not "rotate". If it did, we would all be blown around ten ways to Tuesday by the winds created.
2. If the Earth did rotate, then one would expect to see tornadoes in the area at the centre of rotation. This would imply that Kansas is the centre of the Earth, a thought pleasing to my personal sympathies, but contradicted by scripture. There has never been a tornado in Jerusalem!
3. Joshua asked Our Lord to stop the Sun, you ignorant asshole, not the Earth. What possible good would it have done to stop the Earth from moving?
4. Your blasphemous statement that the Moon "reflects" light from the Sun directly contradicts Genesis 3:16, in which it is made perfectly clear that "he created the moon, that the slimy crawling things by night might see". Which part of "he created", don't you understand? Your pathetic advocacy of the fraudulent theory (and it IS a THEORY, not some bourgeois, East-Coast elitist idea of a "fact") is sickening.
Your evil whinings are, quite frankly, tantamount to liberalism.
Technoli
International means that 2 or more nations are involved.
It doesn't imply that every single nation has the right to use the space station.
Will there prices be competetive with the prices the russians offer to visit? Will boneless spare ribs and pork fried rice be included or will that be extra? and where can I sighn up?
Why sir, do we "really need to get a manned mission to Mars"?
Do you think this funny? I don't understand why there are still so many cocky and stupid people like you on this earth biasing against China. Damn you, idiot!!!!!!!
Let us for just one moment put aside the notion of Media Spin on this article and take a look at a few elements...
"China has welcomed international cooperation in its space station."
Headlong goes the project forward as money spent on our people here on Earth is of far less importance than showing the rest of the World that we alone can build and support a space station diplomacy be Damned...
It was unclear if plans to forge ahead on its own were influenced by recent signs the United States might not want China to join the 16-nation, $95 billion International Space Station.
What signs were these? If as is stated in "16-nation" is correct, it is not only the United States' decision on who does or does not join the project...
Chinese space officials were "shocked" the United States had not done more to welcome them into the small community of space-faring nations, a leading U.S. expert said last month after a trip to China.
Again, if this is a 16-nation project, it is not just the United States who should be "welcoming" anyone, nor is the United States sole choice in who joins or not.
The United States harbors concerns that the army-run Chinese program could some day pose a threat to U.S. dominance in military satellite communications.
And finally the "truth" comes to light.
I am NOT looking to be "Flamebait" here, but just look at what this article is saying and Think about the political climate we live in right now and who has the "power" to extend or retract a hand!
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last thing anyone needs is another space station.
china could do well with planetary probes. you get a lot of bang for the buck -- look at what the recent NASA mars probes accomplished.
something like a couple chinese venusian landers (rovers?) would be easily within the chinese monetary and technological budget, and would put them on the map. venusian exploration has been extremely sparse, despite how easy it is to get there compared to mars.
or how about a mercurian orbiter/lander? nobody's been there yet.
It appears that energy is a major factor that is pacing Chinese economic development. Have the Chinese established some other energy sources through R&D(say some results in some other form of hot fusion) or diplomatic arrangements(i.e. a deal with the Russians or Islamic oil exporters)?
well we already have one difficult partner... Russia... who can't put a single thing into orbit within 3 years of when it's supposed to be
there...
Pot, meet Kettle.
Uh, yeah. Like the space shuttle you mean?
Yes, that's right. Currently Russia is the only nation in a position to launch manned spacecraft. Without them we would already have abandoned the IIS and it would likely have already plummeted to the earth.
Meanwhile we can't even save Hubble, and it remains to be seen if we ever get our fleet back off the ground again.
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Geez the moon has been destroyed twice...Everyone knows that Muten Roshi destroyed the moon in the 20th Tenkaichi Budokai.
"The United States harbors concerns that the army-run Chinese program could some day pose a threat to U.S. dominance in military satellite communications."
I can understand the concern. A billion plus people, a huge army, an economy that is growing rapidly and will probably soon trounce the US's to become the next Superpower.
But China has never really been an expansionistic type country. It's seems throughout their history, they're usually the ones attacked, or the fighting is domestic (power struggles etc).
Here's where I contradict myself - I could see all of that changing however, a growing economy with a billion++ people will probably need a lot of resources...especially oil.
I wonder if this whole Iraq war is really about safeguarding the middle east from future chinese aggression. I mean, we can't have a communist nation invading a democratic nation! Or even an areas around it as it would cause the domino effect and all the countries around it would fall to communisim as well (SEE Vietnam War).Left 4 Dead Gaming Group - http://www.l4dgg.com
I quess they decided there wasn't enough scrap metal left by use to make the trip cost effective.
To me, as a reader, it seemed as though the parent was being sarcastic and the post came out as being rather funny.
It is my view that the subsequent moderation of this post down to -1, Troll, is a result of a misread by the moderators (it happens quite often).
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score one for round eye!
While in Communist China this may or may not be the case, it is certainly beyond dispute that in Soviet Russia, Moon lands on YOU!
(Sorry--I couldn't resist).
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Yes, see that worked. Here's another. You fools are playing into my hand.
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( This will undoubtedly get modded as a troll by some Bush-loving republican, but who cares?
Now Bush will undoubtedly follow by canceling the new moon & mars missions.
Why do I say this?
He was killing off everything he could with regard to NASA, cutting their funding to the extreme... until China announced their plans.
He immediately did a 180 and said we have to go to the moon and mars.
Why?
We haven't been there in over 25 years, it's up for grabs!
Whoever gets there 1st will end up claiming it like a poor mannered brat in a sandbox.
Why should anyone care?
Because the moon has resources that can be used to launch further missions... watch educational TV some time (Discovery, TLC, Science channel, etc.) and you might see what I'm talking about.
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This thread is about China!
Chinese space officials were "shocked" the United States had not done more to welcome them into the small community of space-faring nations, a leading U.S. expert said last month after a trip to China.
Space coorperation is one of the few cards the US has left to play against China's authoritarianizm and human rights abuses. They are in the WTO but practice slave labor. They are belligerent to Taiwan. They prop up a monster in North Korea.
The US has nothing to gain technologically by cooperating. Indeed, the risks of transfering technology that can be put to military purposes is high.
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Drill baby drill - on Mars
But that doesn't mean I don't find your persistance stupid.
From my perspective manned space exploration does make sense. Surely, a rover on Mars is a very cool thing, and can accomplish a lot on it's own. Yet, a human can accomplish so much more on a much shorter time.
Further, isn't it just human nature to want to go?
Kinetic stupidity has a new brand leader: Allen Zadr.
You remind me of the imperialist Brits who also thought the natives were good for nothing but riddicule. Who do you think invented rockets in the first place? (Please don't answer that it was America.)
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If China doesn't get to the moon then how am I going to get good Chinese food when I'm there. No doubt there will be a McDonalds but after seeing Super Size Me I never want to eat there again.
Announcing plans is certainly easier than carrying them out. Cancellations (and cost overruns) have plagued every space program developed in our short "space age".
As an employee for a large aerospace corporation, I'm beginning to recognize why space is so difficult. On the parts level, parts must be "space-qualified", which limits selection to a few choice vendors who, in applying rigorous mil-spec requirements to parts testing and screening, mark-up the price 15x. The only alternative is privately "up-screen" the part according to program requirements, which is also a lengthy and time-consuming process. When dealing with space, so many new concerns must be addressed. Radiation effects, outgassing, vibration impact from launch, severe thermal excursions, redundancies, etc. Each hi-tech subcomponent has to be built twice -- one for flight and one for intense qual unit testing. Close scrutiny of reported industry design flaws must be adhered to. There's been quite a stir relating to some flawed algorithms in Actel FPGAs.
Anyway, my point is that space is difficult and costly -- as evidenced once again by this cancellation. My primary fear is that the USA lacks the monetary dedication to see such a large and bold endeavor as the moon/mars mission through to fruition. As for me, I'm just hoping the TPF and JWST survive.
When man starts to colonize other planets, would it not make space stations near obsolete as anything other than intergalactic gas stations?
See? They can't even keep their promises...the USA and USSR managed to do that! Bunch of also-rans :D
Blar.
In China, the people can't do much w/o the gov'ts help...that's the way communism works. In the USA you can get a better job, move, whatever. People in the USA can take care of themselves, people in china don't have that luxury.
Blar.
Because....its teh funnay!
They're just taking a page from Clarke's book. They'll wait for somebody else to land on the moon and find the monolith. Then their "space station" can immediately set out for Jupiter and beat everybody there.
what about China?
Drill baby drill - on Mars
it's falling apart like a Chinese motorcycle!
The fact that CNN is reporting this means that the US -must- have had something to do with this! :P
Hrrm... I usually just sign my name.
Well it took China a couple of years, but it is finally following Justin Timberlakes example and cutting back on its space plans.
"well... my financial advisors kinda told me I was nusts for even thinking about it."
we need to work on getting industrial capacity in orbit.
You make it sound like every dollar spent on the space program is wrested from the hands of starving peasants.
Patrick Doyle
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With China not going to the moon, is NASA's new program going to be scrapped since there aren't really politics involved anymore?
I'm very surprised China made such an announcement. It is typical of communist governments to try and cover up information that would portrait their country in a negative light. The SARS outbreak in China is a perfect example of this policy.
Considering the timeline (2010 for a lunar orbiter, 2020 for an unmanned lander, etc), China could have easily sat on this news for a number of years and let things fizzle out quietly.
Dan East
Better known as 318230.
US scraps mars mission.
I'm sure it's just that they postpone it. I don't think they've decided to never ever go there.
Good thing some guy named Deng tried your ideas back in the 70s. They worked out pretty well, too; things got a lot better around there after that. Of course, it's not 100% capitalist, but what is?
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China has a lot of problems that must be taken care of prior going to the Moon. Unfortunately, so does the United States.
Being a geek and a vivid phyiscs fan, it hurts me when I see space missions cancelled. However, I am a human being as well; I realize that there are billion dollar price tags associated with these goals. It is wise not to spend money if you cannot afford doing so, wouldn't you agree? If we *really* want to continue space exploration, maybe we should stop world-wide safaris first.
I really hope that the United States comes to the same conclusion and stops hoping to be the first on Mars. It would be nice if we spend more money on education and creation of affordable healthcare. Once we get these -- and many other things -- fixed, we shall fly. For now, I'll read science fiction and dream.
So as a non-native-speaker (or is it "non-native speaker", or maybe "non native-speaker"), I wonder... what does _scrub_ mean compared to the well known _scrap_?
The US and Russia ought to be finishing up their use of the ISS in about 2020, the time frame for which China wants a space station.
Typical liberal media. Anything they can do to spin the decisions of the Bush Administration as "evil" or at least "not nice."
That's CNN for you. Blame Bush for everything. But don't mention that China places HUGE boundaries around their borders when American businesses want to enter Chinese markets.
Don't mention that the Chinese Government subsidizes certain Chinese industries to the point that it would be impossible for U.S. businesses to compete there.
Don't mention the countless human rights violations that the Chinese government has committed against their own people, and as a poster above said, still keeps the masses uneducated so a choice few can stay in power.
I'm sorry, but the U.S. has taken a stand against such nations. You don't play nice with us, DON'T BE "SHOCKED" WHEN WE DON'T PLAY NICE WITH YOU.
Damn liberal media. Feh.
The article says that China wants to be included on the ISS, but was snubbed. They guess it was because the Chinese PLA is so involved with the space program and they fear them advancing a lot in space tech.
That doesn't add up though, because the Russian and American space programs are closely tied to the military, and neither of them seems to be too concerned. As far as competition commerically, why is the ESA and JASDA(?) invited if we are afraid of advancements in tech resulting in competition?
What has China done? Nothing. No innovation in the last 1000 years. They're real good at stealing designs of other nations...figures they have no laws about intellectual property...that nation seems rather bankrupt in the 'new idea' dept.
So what exactly are they good for except working for nothing to give other nations the goods they want?
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Blar.
but would 1 million dollars spent on healthcare food etc generate as much back in income to the government via taxes?
the space program makes money....
the people who recieve aid don't necessarilly
They got the administration to scrap many of the promising research at NASA, including extending the maintenance of its productive and prolific Hubble telescope. Then say the Chinese say it wasn't worth going to the moon. The only person with any sense in this administration is Colin Powell.
Wang told a gathering of high school students on Sunday
If I remember correctly, China was very expansionist in the dynasty before the Ming dynasty. They had built and sailed ships that were capable of going anywhere in the world. I think they had even sailed as far as east africa. Then the Ming dynasty kicked in and they burnt the boats because they thought that anything foreign wasn't worth their time.
Had they continued on that path, they might have easily have gotten to a very backward Europe and we would all be speaking Mandrin today.
There's nothing wrong with expantion as long as you aren't hurting anyone. I'm sad to see that expantion to other worlds is being treated in the same style as it would be by the Ming folks.
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In "2010 Space Odyssey", China developed a Space Station in orbit around the Earth. At least everyone thought it was a Space Station until they attached huge rocket engines to it an blasted off into space.
Could it ever happen?
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Few considerations for the number crunchers out there.
Take US national debit divide by national income level.
Do the same for other leading economies. (Including the EU totals which have become more interesting since the recent inclusion of Czech, Poland......)
You will see that the US political debit to possible income ratio really is not that bad. It gets a lot worse with places like Sweden where national socialist agenda's stretch peoples income with high tax.
Better indications of national wealth and wellbeing are based on environmental economic principals, the Big Mac index (Economist.com), and infrastructure levels.
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...that's a moon!
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You are correct, sir. Latest info on the moon program in China:
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http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2004-05/17/co
BEIJING, May 17 (Xinhuanet) -- Scientists say China has completed the design of instruments and procedures for its lunar orbiting project, the first phase of its moon probing project.
A leading Chinese scientist revealed in Shanghai that besides moon probes, China is likely to set up a seismograph on the moon.
He also suggested establishing a small astronomical observatory on the moon.
At present, there are no astronomical instruments on the moon.
--In line with your post...I was fortunate enough one day to have a peek at the associated press database while in a newsroom. You wouldn't believe the crap i saw, reminiscent of a bunch of hearsay and rumors, poorly researched. Kinda scary that this stuff is passed off as "news"
"That's not a moon, that's a space station."
Of course this isn't the first time China has junked exploration plans. In the 1400s, their voyages to Eastern Africa and Southern Asia were stopped and all the records of them were destroyed. This was done to allow more cash to be spent on keeping the Mongols/barbarians out and reform society. This attitude and even this specific event explain why China is where it is today.
If I've got some of the history wrong, correct me. I took the AP test on World History a couple of weeks ago and now all the information is leaking out of my brain.
Both the PRC (and their proxy, DPRK) got
really miffed at the USA's plans for the
(new & improved) missile defense system.
I fully expect any Chinese space station
to be very well armed.
Of course, once the Chinese found out that
the USA's moon missions were really filmed
in the Nevada desert, they lost interest.
And they decided to wait them out until the moon comes back to them. But if the moon declares independence it's an act of war.
Average male height = 1.75m
Chinese Population = 1260000000
Mean distance to moon = 384400000m
Human tower to moon = 384400000 / 1.75 = 219657142.9 People
However, for a pyramid we will need ½(n^2) + ½n (n+n-1+n-2...+n-n)
Therefore number of people needed to make a pyramid to the moon = 24124630320000000
Since 24124630320000000 is more than 1260000000, you are clearly an idiot
They found out it doesn't come from the moon.
The Moon is about 356,614Km from the Earth at closest approach. China is home to about 1.3B people. A column of Chinese people, stacked in "human triangles" sitting on one another's shoulders (1m high), would reach the moon, leaving over 230M people. Half to clamber up (then down) to the Lunar surface, at a rate of about 1Km:h, reaching the surface in about 20 years, splitting their population evenly between the planets in under 4 years. And they only have to scale up their acrobat budgets, not that risky American rocket science.
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Of course they're not going to the moon.
The human body can't survive the trip through the Van Allen radiation belt. No one has ever been to the moon - despite what the US government would like you to believe.
Going through the Van Allen radiation belt is like getting billions x-rays in the time frame of 2 or 3 seconds - despite the speed you traverse it. It would be very difficult, if not imposible, to keep the human body from melting or bursting into flames on-the-spot.
A lead-lined space vehicle? No, that wouldn't work either. You'd need so much lead, as protection from the immense radiation, that the vehicle would never get off the ground.
Obviously, China found out about the Van Allen radiation belt limit and decided they didn't want to toast any astronauts.
Am I the only one who has done research on the Van Allen radiation belt? It does surround our planet, you know.
Oh, yes, I've heard all the rumors and seen all the photos and video footage - all of which raises more questions than it answers. Hollywood can do some wonderful things... don't you think?
Planning a trip to the moon...yeah, right.
So does that have anything to do with the Indian space mission and plans for lunar mission ??
;-)
Trying to be the best conspiracy theorist, is it possible they shelved it as soon as Indian government changed hands and space race ended with their neighbor ??
You remind me of a bigoted twit with no sense of humor.
I'd have said the exact same thing whether it was the Chinese, Russians, USAians, or Texans.
I was poking fun at the whole idea of a space station being cheaper than a manned moon mission. Or perhaps you would prefer the phrase, "peopled moon mission"?
I think it is more than just a coincidence that the announcement by mainland China for a manned moon landing was made just prior to the beginning of the election campaign in Taiwan, and the announcement to cancel same was made just after it became clear that Ah Bian (Chen Shui Bian) had won.
If I were more cynical, I would suggest that the manned moon project was another mainland strategy to foster Chinese nationalism across the Taiwan Strait in an endeavour to undermine Chen's pro-independence election campaign.
A dream is good. A plan is better.
And finally the "truth" comes to light.
I don't have a problem with this proposition, do you? Given the long standing policies of both the Chinese and US governments - this goes 'way beyond Dubya - it is enevitable that they contend with each other's freedom of action. It's perfectly natural that the US works to maintain it's various military advantages, and equally natural that the PRC works to close the gap.
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Betcha they scrubbed the moon missions in favor of starting a war with Taiwan. Rittre plicks.
+2 Troll? Is that the best you conservative agenda-pushing mods can do? Pathetic!
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Or maybe they just now heard of the Van Allen Radiation Belt, and the fact that it would be expensive as HELL to build a manned craft to penetrate it! Of course they also are just relizing that the US never went to the moon, (Russia already knew this back in the day).
:-P
No one is going to leave this god forsaken rock untill we can blast enough lead shielding in orbit to cover a spacecraft, we can't do it know, we deffiently didnt do it in the 60's
Money that China would have spent on space/moon exploration will be spent on pacifying Taiwan instead.
While this is bad news for Taiwanese people, I applaud China's dictator/president on concentrating on things that affect China.
Here, in USA, Bush is concentrating on problems millions of miles away. For example, how to make drinkable water on Mars...once and IF we get there. How about working on cleaning our lakes and rivers here on Earth, so that everyone can drink tap water without fear. Same goes for air quality.
Blah, blah, blah. We'll NEVER get those things "fixed" because there is no end goal. Jesus, we're already spending something like 20 percent of GDP on health care...and we spend more per pupil for education than any other country.
Money is not the only answer.
But the space shuttle is great. I mean, everybody loves fireworks. Am I right? Huh? Huh?
Karma: It's all a bunch of tree-huggin' hippy crap!
Not only have there been more missions to Venus than Mars, but also a greater percentage of the Venus missions were successful. The Martian atmosphere is too thin for effective braking, its lower gravity makes it harder for orbital capture, and the sunlight for solar panels is weaker.
Launching a mission to put a man on the moon for a 3rd world country like China is a huge waste of resources for nothing but a little prestige.
Having a space station or at least a few low earth-orbit missions is actually somewhat useful.
So, it seems to me that they have returned to their senses.
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If China, the world's hottest economy right now, is putting off going to the moon because of high cost/low return, what does that say about the US (and President Bush's) persistent (and not very scientifically grounded) push to go to the Moon, and even Mars?
You are confused. The Van Allen radiation belt isn't composed of x-rays. And even the most energetic solar x-ray flares release less than .01 watts per square meter. For comparison, sunlight before it's filtered by the atmosphere is 1400 watts per square meter. There's no way a human body would melt or burst into flame from exposure to even the brightest x-ray flares. Also, the number of particles in the radiation belts varies dramatically with time. The Apollo astronauts were lucky.
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Actually during the venera missions, the russians had designed some surface probes which could operate basically indefinitely. They never got sent for various reasons.
I assume they were some very basic design, perhaps no real electronics whatsoever and just using some properties of the venusian environment to generate RF data somehow. But I couldn't find any details.
it is a social engineering trick called Phishing. Email pretends to be from Paypal or a bank, etc, and tells the user to log in and reactivate their account.
The email is HTML and uses images from the original site, but has an activation link that goes to an IP address in China to a bogus webpage that looks like Paypal or the bank. The victim then enters their user ID and password and bank account, credit card, SSN, mother's maiden name, etc and then it says their account is now activated. Then the Phisher reads their database and steals the victim's identity and transfers all their money to their bank account, and maxes out the credit cards, etc.
Please do not call it hacking, there is no hacking involved any more than a 419 scam is hacking. It is a scam, pure and simple, like a 419 scam. It is social engineering like the 419 scam, to get information out of the victim to steal their money. The Phising scam makes the 419 scam look tame.
People in China are not the only ones who do it, yet I see a lot of these Phishing scam mails going to my inbox that originate from China.
Also after the victim is Phished, they can be Doxed, that is the Phisher can create profiles based on the victim and enter whatever bogus information they want and display it on the Internet. All of a sudden Fred Jones has a profile that says he like child p0rn, and is gay, and has new email accounts that are sending out Phising scams, in the hopes of blaming him for the activity. People can be Doxed without the Phising Scams, which happened to me before. Also another Scoop site had the editors heads photoshopped on a p0rno pic by a hostile user, which is a form of Doxing. Doxing is also not hacking either.
Both Doxing and Phishing are the lowest forms of scamming next to the 419. It takes no real skill to do so, just BS a lot, and steal someone else's web page. There are kits going around to do Phishing, etc.
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