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GPS for GBA

Grey Ninja writes "I just came across a preview for a new gadget that's going to be demoed at E3, which is a GPS and map attachment for your GBA. It should be mentioned that you can pre-order now and get $50 off. " I can't imagine very many useful applications for this, but it sure is nifty.

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  1. GPS for the Parent by mfh · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It's 11pm, do you know where your kids are?
    Well... now you do!

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    1. Re:GPS for the Parent by darien · · Score: 3, Funny

      Dude, it's GPS. Now they know where they are.

    2. Re:GPS for the Parent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude, it's GPS. Now they know where they are.

      Of course they know where they are. They're somewhere in the dark side of Hyrule.

    3. Re:GPS for the Parent by Dun+Malg · · Score: 4, Informative
      It's 11pm, do you know where your kids are? Well... now you do!

      Global Positioning, not Tracking. GPS units are entirely passive. The only person who knows where a given GPS is located is the person holding the GPS. Unless you're going to also fit the children with a cellular telemetry rig or something, only the kids will know where they are.

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    4. Re:GPS for the Parent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Funny and insightful. :)

    5. Re:GPS for the Parent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or uh.. just look at their GPS to see where they've been, assuming it marks their path

    6. Re:GPS for the Parent by n0wak · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, that's not as far fetched as it might seem. In fact, it's one of the selling features for the GameTrac... er Gizmondo, whatever. Warning, annoying Flash site.

      Don't underestimate the buying power of the "Paranoid Parent" market.

  2. I know... by justforaday · · Score: 1

    It's so you can track your kids! Or, umm, so your wife can track you?

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    1. Re:I know... by Seumas · · Score: 1

      Um... the GPS is in the GBA, which you would presumably be carrying with you. Unless your wife had her own GBA with the GPS module and you had a GBA with the GPS module and she could somehow pinpoint where you are through hers. Although, with some sort of logging capability I suppose your wife could make you pull out the GBA the next morning to find out it shows you were really working late the previous night or out boozing at strip clubs.

  3. Well obiously by caston · · Score: 0, Funny
    This is so that you can find the bastard that keeps stealing it.

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  4. Ehe by tigress · · Score: 2, Funny

    Just wait for Nintendo Club Airlines to start offering cheap flights to exotic places, to find your rare Pokémons at. =)

    1. Re:Ehe by Bandman · · Score: 1

      Jesus that's a good idea! Why didn't I think of it first???

    2. Re:Ehe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know whether to laugh at that thought or not... Considering how that craze just keeps growing, somehow I wouldn't put it past them to do something insane like that.

      They call 'em pocket monsters. I call 'em wallet monsters.

    3. Re:Ehe by NonSequor · · Score: 1

      Hey a cheap flight's a cheap flight, regardless of how many Pokémon fans are on board.

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  5. you can't? by garcia · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I know plenty of people that use a handheld and a GPS. Consolidating the number of devices I have to hold when geocaching would be a great thing... I currently have the GPS, a digital camera, and a Sidekick. I sometimes have to bring along other things like a headlamp, etc.

    If I could have a reliable GPS unit that was attached to my PDA and it still functioned as well as a handheld one I would love it.

    1. Re:you can't? by tigress · · Score: 3, Funny

      Geocaching - Gotta find'em all!

    2. Re:you can't? by Seumas · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Except that the GBA's GPS product is $250! It's a neat idea, but for that money I'll just go buy a dedicated GPS unit. It'll probably outlast my GBA and there will come a time when I won't care to tote my GBA around and play games on it anymore - whereas my GPS unit would probably have a constant place on my hip.

    3. Re:you can't? by garcia · · Score: 1

      except that my first GPS unit was $300 and my next one will likely be in the $400 range. I would love a color GPS unit.

    4. Re:you can't? by thirteenVA · · Score: 4, Funny

      Finally!!! Link can find his way out of the level 8 dungeon on legend of zelda!!!

    5. Re:you can't? by metamatic · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If I could have a reliable GPS unit that was attached to my PDA and it still functioned as well as a handheld one I would love it.

      So buy a Garmin iQue.

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    6. Re:you can't? by garcia · · Score: 1

      a Garmin iQue is a lot more money, is apparently not all that great at anything it does, and is PocketPC OS.

    7. Re:you can't? by rufo · · Score: 1

      Actually, a friend of mine has one. Overall he loves it - it has a few quirks about it that tick him off, and the build quality of the units isn't spectacular (he's already had to have it replaced under warranty once, sync connector ruined itself, and it's very sensitive to static and pressure in a couple spots) but it does seem to have a very nice interface and be very usable. The battery life sucks if you enable the GPS, but as he drives around town all day and has it plugged into the car he doesn't care in the least. Basically the main advantage of it seems to be that instead of having to manually enter in all the addresses you want to go, the iQue will pick it up from your Palm Desktop/Outlook/iSync address book. Combine that with the fact to mention the fact that it has a gorgeous hi-res (it has virtual graffiti so it's 320x480) display, a fast MIPS processor and a pretty decent Palm device and it's not really a bad device although there's no reason to get one unless you really need the GPS.

      BTW, the iQue is Palm OS based. There's one from Magellan that's PocketPC, but Garmin's runs Palm OS 5.

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    8. Re:you can't? by homer_ca · · Score: 1

      Much like a GPS attachment for a PDA, the advantage of this over a standalone GPS that the GBA already has a powerful CPU and good screen. Both are much better than you'd find in a low end GPS unit. That means the GPS attachment can be cheap and simple- just a GPS receiver chip and memory for the maps. You can get a one piece package by putting a CF card GPS into a PDA, but it just seems too expensive and delicate for outdoors handheld use. My Etrex Legend is waterproof and rubber padded. I'd have no problem using it on a bicycle, motorcycle or boat. The GBA splits the difference in cheap and rugged, and the page says they licensed the Navtech maps. You'd pay about $500 for the equivalent standalone GPS with color screen and maps.

      If you want a handheld GPS to work with your PDA, just about all of them have a serial interface that can plug in to a PDA with an adapter cable (about $50). It's a cumbersome package though, better suited for car navigation than hiking. A handheld GPS with adequate mapping would be better for that. They all use proprietary maps though.

  6. Why is the GBA the center of portable gaming? by brxndxn · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Nintendo really does have a monopoly on portable gaming. The GBA is 1/10 as powerful as most handheld PDAs, the screen is hard to see (even on the newer SP), and yet they come out with a GPS attachment for it that will only work for the GBA. Plus, I can't see entering address information with five buttons being very viable.

    Though GPS on a GBA is somewhat nifty, I think that a normal compactflash (or other media style) of GPS unit for a PDA would be more useful.

    Perhaps Nintendo can turn global navigation into a 2d mario-style game. Then, I could break the road blocks in my way by jumping up at them.

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    1. Re:Why is the GBA the center of portable gaming? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      You can't see entering address information with five buttons being very viable, eh?

      Have you even looked at other GPS devices? Garmin eTrex, for example, has five buttons as well. Only one is used for entering address information. I would love to have a GPS with a colour screen. The only downside I see to this is backlighting and accurate maps. Nothing else.

    2. Re:Why is the GBA the center of portable gaming? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >and yet they come out with a GPS attachment for it >that will only work for the GBA.

      AHEM. The product is by a 3rd-party. The N has no say in this, except maybe the approval process for the ROM.

      >Perhaps Nintendo can turn global navigation into a >2d mario-style game.

      The THIRD-PARTY is certainly looking into this. They even have it on their website (GPS gaming).

    3. Re:Why is the GBA the center of portable gaming? by ndnet · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Why? A few reasons...

      1) Technical and usability superiority over all direct competitors.
      Face it - no other portable game system has been able to go toe-to-toe with the game boy and win. The series has good design, a large library, and no 'major' design flaws (the screen on GBA was the closest, and it wasn't bad enough - compared with Game Gear (eat through 6 AA batteries in an hour or so) or Neo Geo Pocket (suprisingly poor screen, hooks up to a dead game system, no games available.)

      2) Marketing
      Nintendo knows the portable game market. They know what game to push for, which ones will flop, how not to frustrate gamers, where the money is. They have a huge library that they keep expanding - not just getting new games made, but getting them on salesfloors and in people's hands.

      3) Price
      Those gaming PDAs are really nice, and I'd kill for one. But, unlike a GBA SP, which is $100 (unless you're savvy, in which case it's $80), the Zodiac, etc. are very expensive ($200+) and most parents don't want to spend that much on features that won't be used. And regular PDAs? Pshaw! They don't have the sound hardware for it - it's harder than just playing an MP3.

      Notice that while the GBA has huge numbers of potential competitors, none of them can compete. I imagine that if Nintendo were to collaspe, you'd see five different systems in the portable gaming market within a year.

    4. Re:Why is the GBA the center of portable gaming? by I+confirm+I'm+not+a · · Score: 2, Informative

      Why is Nintendo so entrenched in portable gaming? Long-term involvment. Just yesterday I was busy with all the home's computers, so my girlfriend dug out some old (1983!) Nintendo "game and watches" I have. They still work, they're still fun.

      I agree that GPS on the GBA seems odd, though, but I'd guess the target market is more youthful - the kind of market that (like my niece!) loves Barbie Walkie-Talkies, and can accept the imitations.

      Perhaps Nintendo can turn global navigation into a 2d mario-style game. Then, I could break the road blocks in my way by jumping up at them.

      I'm sold! Reminds me of a marathon Sonic-the-Hedgehog-and-beer session at college, and the journey to the pub afterwards: took me the entire journey to realise my "jump button" wasn't working...!

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    5. Re:Why is the GBA the center of portable gaming? by toesate · · Score: 1
      Perhaps Nintendo can turn global navigation into a 2d mario-style game. Then, I could break the road blocks in my way by jumping up at them.

      That will be cool.. imagine a gameplay scenerio build based on surrounding.

      However, where mobile gaming is concern, I think GBA is quite behind other players - assuming the purpose of the GPS module is for mobile gaming intention, like suggested.

      N-Gage, for example, although criticised, is actually a better platform for mobile gaming, with possibilities like bluetooth gaming and over-the-air gaming.

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    6. Re:Why is the GBA the center of portable gaming? by PhoenixFlare · · Score: 2, Insightful

      However, where mobile gaming is concern, I think GBA is quite behind other players -

      Not to try and actively bash you here, but as far as general market data and public opinion appears, you are in a microscopic minority.

      By way of an example or two, the hardware sales for the GBA and GBA SP combined are outstripping even the PS2 in both the US and Japan.

      Contrary to what you may think by browsing some of the bigger gaming message boards, many people play the system/games they do because it's FUN, not because it has the most neato whiz-bang technical specs.

      N-Gage, for example, although criticised, is actually a better platform for mobile gaming, with possibilities like bluetooth gaming and over-the-air gaming.

      If you overlook all the other glaring, horrible flaws it has, maybe. Nokia is supposedly going to/has redesigned the thing, but at this point there's a mountain of negative publicity and public opinion to overcome.

      And even then, simply having wireless capabilities does not make it a better platform - I understand that Nintendo will soon be releasing ( in the US ) a 2.4 Ghz wireless adapter, packaged with the Pokemon Fire Red and Leaf Green remakes.

    7. Re:Why is the GBA the center of portable gaming? by thryllkill · · Score: 1

      you should take your SP back to the store if the screen is hard to see. Mine is crisp and colorful, and great in the daylight, even better in the dark.

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    8. Re:Why is the GBA the center of portable gaming? by awerg · · Score: 1

      Two words --- Battery Life. The average gba will last 10-18 hours.

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    9. Re:Why is the GBA the center of portable gaming? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I own a Garmin eTrek GPS for when I go backpacking. It has only four buttons on it...

    10. Re:Why is the GBA the center of portable gaming? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Neo Geo Pocket (suprisingly poor screen, hooks up to a dead game system, no games available.)

      Dreamcast will never die! DC4L!

    11. Re:Why is the GBA the center of portable gaming? by Lemmy+Caution · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Um, you're being a bit of a defensive fanboy, because you aren't quite getting what mobile gaming is all about. It has nothing to do with the GBA or Nintedno.

      It's not portable gaming - the GBA is current undisputed heavyweight, and the next wave will be either the DS or the PSP, no question - but rather it's about pervasive, connected gaming. In that field, things like the GO Game in the US are a lot closer to what we're talking about. Mobile gaming is mostly much bigger in Japan and is entirely cell-phone based, usually with an older crowd than the GBA scene. Check out Mogi as another interesting example.

      Usually these are games on java-enabled phones. Nokia was really in a position to succeed here but they've made the error of going for the GBA market, as well as making egregious design errors in the first model. If they could wed the graphic power of the game-platform half of the N-Gage to the type of gaming represented by Mogi, they'd be in business.

    12. Re:Why is the GBA the center of portable gaming? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the screen is hard to see (even on the newer SP)

      Time for a trip to the optometrist. The SP is very visible in almost all lighting conditions. If you have trouble seeing while hundreds of thousands of happy customers don't, I'd suggest the problem lies with you, not the product.

    13. Re:Why is the GBA the center of portable gaming? by Jonavin · · Score: 1

      I have a Garmin 60C. The screen and battery life is two of its most important features. The reflective screen is great whether the sun is shining on it or not. I only use the backlight at night... Batetry life is an amazing 30 hours of contineous use..

      As for maps, they are fairly expensive but the newest maps are pretty accurate, even for Canada. I'm amazed at what's actually in the database of points of interests.

    14. Re:Why is the GBA the center of portable gaming? by ndnet · · Score: 1

      Um... I love my dreamcast too. The ability to run homebrews is awesome, the graphics are great, and it's pretty damn fun.

      That said, there is a point in every console's life where it cannot keep going on. Perhaps it is cut down in it's prime like so many before it. Perhaps it never got the support it needed. The Jaguar, Neo-Geo, Turbo-Grafix, and 3DO fall in this category in how they left this world.

      Then there are those that die of old age. They may have life-supporting emulation, but truly they are dead. SNES, Genesis, Game Gear, N64 - they lived good lives.

      Our beloved Dreamcast is unique - it struggled violently, but could not win its battle. Sega's acquiescence to defeat wounded it, and old age finished it.

      As a certified minister through a small church in Arizona, I know such things well - or at least have for a few minutes. Anyway, I am here to help you grieve - and you are grieving. You are in an early phase - denial. Do know that the DC is surely dead, and remember the good times you had with it.

      I'm here if you need to cry.

    15. Re:Why is the GBA the center of portable gaming? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps Nintendo can turn global navigation into a 2d mario-style game. Then, I could break the road blocks in my way by jumping up at them.

      I was thinking Frogger for Freeways. Screw this virtual gaming!

  7. Errr... by Wes+Janson · · Score: 0, Redundant

    To sum up a bunch of inevitable comments right now....


    Why?

    1. Re:Errr... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To sum up a bunch of inevitable replies to you summary of inevitable comments:

      Welcome to Slashdot, you must be new here.

    2. Re:Errr... by Russ+Nelson · · Score: 1

      Um .... to make a Beowulf cluster?

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  8. Real life pacman... by moxruby · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm sure this could be incorporated into the real-life pacman played on the streets of new york...

    Yet another thing to lose when the tough guys come rolling...

    1. Re:Real life pacman... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      I'm sure this could be incorporated into the real-life pacman played on the streets of new york...

      Yeah, but where are you possibly gonna find pills on the streets of New York that make you feel invincible???

    2. Re:Real life pacman... by moxruby · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but where are you possibly gonna find pills on the streets of New York that make you feel invincible???

      The local crack dealer would be a good start.

    3. Re:Real life pacman... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      I'm sure this could be incorporated into the real-life pacman played on the streets of new york...

      From the Pac Manhattan website:

      Q: Why didn't you use GPS?
      A: We tried track the players using GPS, but ran into two problems: (1) GPS does not work well in "urban canyons", where the signal is reflected off large buildings and (2) we could not find an easy (read: cheap) way to send the geo-coordinate data from the GPS receiver back to the network. (It's hard to connect serial data to cellphones and PCMCIA cellular cards are expensive). Anyone want to donate equipment?

    4. Re:Real life pacman... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Too late numb nuts...

      http://pacmanhattan.com/about.php

  9. Great by Eudial · · Score: 2, Funny

    Jay! Now i can know where i am without looking up from my games!

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    1. Re:Great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Jay! Now i can know where i am without looking up from my games!

      I know this is a funny.

      But it is still a valid point. Just think of how often you have to interrupt a game in progress because of some distraction - like looking up at where you are walking into.

    2. Re:Great by gnu-generation-one · · Score: 1

      "Now i can know where i am without looking up from my games!"

      Beep, beep. "We are within 100 metres of your bus stop!"

  10. Handy for travellers... by Fex303 · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I can't imagine very many useful applications for this, but it sure is nifty.

    I can think of market that this might really appeal to... Backpackers and other travellers. Lots of gamers buy a GBA when travelling for a long time (something to do on the plane, etc). If they could use it when they get to their destination to help find their way around then I guess a fair number of nerdy backpackers would pay for one.

    I know I would have killed for one of these when I was in London a little while ago. I kept getting lost at four in the morning in some maze of lanes near Soho, with my guidebook sitting on the couch where I was staying. A GBA is light and easy to carry/store, I'd rather haul that around than my Lonely Planet guide.

    It seems like there's some sort of internal memory in the unit, in which case it should be able to simply download new maps (via USB maybe?). This would rock if you were travelling through Europe and staying in lots of large towns, for example. Just grab the next map at an internet café and you're set.

    This is to say nothing of the possibilities with regards to GPS gaming. I can think of a bunch, especially if the games can be downloaded and localised. Among the more annoying/money making: Advertisers could have you unlock extra features of a game (secret Pokemon, etc) when you enter one of their stores...

    1. Re:Handy for travellers... by wadiwood · · Score: 1

      I'd have loved to have a GPS that told me which train station was which. Travelling around Sydney by train as a tourist, half the time I'd never see the name of the train station. It would be nice to be able to program it to say, you are 200m from the station. You are in the station, get the *(^* off the train NOW. Beep. And the counter to that would be one that tells me to stop reading my book when the bus shows up at the bus stop. I hate how you can't just zone out on public transport. You have to pay attention to all the busses to see if this one is yours, and then you have to pay attention to which stop you're at so you get off at the right place. Other than that, you'd want a pretty good map to go with the GPS. The GPS will tell you where you are but they are less than helpful in telling you which road is the right one. Try it on the approach to the Northern end of Sydney Harbour Bridge. Nup, no idea what lane I should be in, most of the time. The whole deal looks like tangled spagetti if all the spagetti was merged in the middle.

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    2. Re:Handy for travellers... by Technician · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Backpackers and other travellers

      Why would a backpacker want to deal with water damage and fragile connections? For about the same price, get a handheld map GPS that is waterproof and floats. I use a handheld GPS. If I want to connect it to a laptop or handheld, I can connect the cable, but a GPS that does not work when your gameboy dies doesn't seem very useful. The ability to interconnect is nice. Leaving some weight home and still having a useful tool is even better.

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    3. Re:Handy for travellers... by Fex303 · · Score: 1
      Why would a backpacker want to deal with water damage and fragile connections?

      Final Fantasy Tactics. 'Nuff said. But there's also Fire Emblem, Super Mario Advance 4: Super Mario Bros 3 (worst game numbering ever!), Kirby, Advance Wars 1&2, I could go on...

      Just 'cause you're seeing the world doesn't mean you need to go without games. Travelling can be amazing, but there's long, boring periods where a waterproof GPS (that may or may not be able to have maps uploaded to it) really isn't as much fun as a GBA.

    4. Re:Handy for travellers... by Technician · · Score: 1

      Just 'cause you're seeing the world doesn't mean you need to go without games. Travelling can be amazing, but there's long, boring periods where a waterproof GPS (that may or may not be able to have maps uploaded to it) really isn't as much fun as a GBA.


      I guess the point I was trying to make, is if I want to leave the Game Boy home and take just the GPS, I can still use a stand alone handheld GPS but not with the Game Boy dongle. Most stand alone handheld GPS units have an output so they can be tethered to a laptop or handheld if desired. The other problem is if (I know true geeks don't have wifes and kids) you have kids, it's hard to use the GPS while they play with the GBA. I thought the GBA used expensive memory (propritory) instead of off the shelf camera flash of one type or another. My handheld computer and my camera uses the same type memory. GBA is yet another memory format that won't interchange with any of my other devices.

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    5. Re:Handy for travellers... by Tenebrious1 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Backpackers and other travellers

      Why would a backpacker want to deal with water damage and fragile connections? For about the same price, get a handheld map GPS that is waterproof and floats. I use a handheld GPS.


      LOL... the parent's use of the word "backpacker" is different from what we who actually get into the backcountry and away from civilization. We call those with backpacks "travelers" and those with suitcases "tourists". Well, whatever you call them, it's highly unlikey they will need something waterproof; a ziplock baggie will keep the GBA dry if they have to wander the streets while it's raining. With some extra air in the baggie, it'll even float; just in case you drop the thing overboard while taking a boat down the Seine...

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    6. Re:Handy for travellers... by tehcyder · · Score: 1
      A GBA is light and easy to carry/store, I'd rather haul that around than my Lonely Planet guide.
      Good safety feature, you're a lot less vulnerable-looking if you have a little electronic thing which could be a mobile phone. Carrying a big guidebook around (especially at four in the morning) is pretty much like wearing a "mug me" T-shirt.

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    7. Re:Handy for travellers... by Technician · · Score: 1

      Well, whatever you call them, it's highly unlikey they will need something waterproof; a ziplock baggie will keep the GBA dry if they have to wander the streets while it's raining.

      Those who are pedestrians on city streets rarely would have need of a GPS. I assumed backpacking meant no street signs and through streets. Oh well, that's what I get by posting on /. and assuming that someone here gets out of cell tower range now and then. ;-)

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  11. Applications by mfh · · Score: 0

    The /. abstract suggested that there might not be many uses for GBA GPS, so I offered one; track your kids. If the satellite can find them and tell them where they are, it can sure as hell tell *you* where they are!

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    1. Re:Applications by darien · · Score: 5, Informative

      Dude, do you know how GPS works? A GPS unit on the ground listens to the signals from a couple of different GPS satellites and uses the information in those signals to triangulate its own position relative to the satellites (that's a very simplified explanation, but that's basically how it works). The satellites don't "find" you or "tell you where you are." They just beam messages down to the surface. They have no idea where, or by whom, those messages are being received.

    2. Re:Applications by Leffe · · Score: 0

      Time for an Echelon plugin maybe :)?

    3. Re:Applications by toesate · · Score: 4, Insightful
      If the satellite can find them and tell them where they are, it can sure as hell tell *you* where they are!

      Maybe, maybe not. There are a huge set of assumptions if it can.

      One of the key challenge for the location based services (via mobile phone and/or gps) is the tedious management of access groups and permissions.

      It has to do with privacy issues essentially.

      A simple scenerio is - the owner of their location information have the full ownership on how they want their location information be shared, and with who.

      However, like many other services, location based services, for example, tracking, is usually done with a third party involved - acting like a proxy agent, and as such must have certain permission set from the owner of the location information.

      To make things more challenging, we can add another role, by having a guardian over the owner of the location information.

      And the quick question now is - who owns the location information? The owner of the location information or the guardian of the owner? There are no easy answers.

      Anyway - nowadays, knowing where the kids are is a _willing_ mobile phone call away.

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    4. Re:Applications by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If people on SLASHDOT don't even know such a basic concept that GPS does not broadcast one's position, I'm truly afraid for the general public. This is why we get movies like that stupid Cloning one thats out now: pure ignorance.

    5. Re:Applications by whoda · · Score: 1

      The satellites don't "find" you or "tell you where you are."

      Of course, once the GPS unit has computed your position, anything with RF transmission capability can phone home and relay that information.

      These radio's do just that.
      So does this Air Force SAR radio.
      Even this thing like LoJack called ThiefJack
      Even the Call For Help Watch to track your children can do it.

      I would pretty much assume that this technology will be in every GPS capable device within the next few years.

    6. Re:Applications by mfh · · Score: 1

      > Of course, once the GPS unit has computed your position, anything with RF transmission capability can phone home and relay that information.

      And that was pretty much what I meant. ;-)

      Thanks for bailing me out!!! hehe

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    7. Re:Applications by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Privacy is dead here. Some corporatist loudmouth will mearly wave his hands while shouting: "If you're not on your own property, then you shouldn't be entitled to privacy anyway! And if you are on your own property, that's where they expect to find you anyway!"

      Right now, your privacy is only granted because the powerful have an apathy about what you're doing for the moment. That could change if they ever suspect a threat (real or imaginary) from people like you, or me, or anybody.

      "Papers please..."

    8. Re:Applications by xmuskrat · · Score: 1

      It's the next morning, you know where your kids *were*.

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  12. Translation: by cperciva · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Grey Ninja writes " I just came across a preview for a new gadget that's going to be demoed at E3, which is a GPS and map attachment for your GBA.
    Grey Ninja writes "I work for a company which is trying to find suckers willing to buy our latest toy.
    It should be mentioned that you can pre-order now and get $50 off."
    If you pre-order now, you'll get $50 off. If you wait until after the release, the price will drop by $100 when we realize that this is useless junk which nobody wants to buy."
    I can't imagine very many useful applications for this, but it sure is nifty.
    Sounds like junk to me, but they paid for the advertising spot.
    1. Re:Translation: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your hunch is probably true. Judging by this post, the submitter sounds like a GBA developer. Who else would know that kind of stuff?

    2. Re:Translation: by Grey+Ninja · · Score: 2, Informative

      I'm flattered actually, that you would think that I am a real developer, or capable of building such a device.

      The truth of the matter is that I just came across the gadget from gcadvanced.com, and I thought it would be cool to mention it to Slashdot.

      I have a rather extensive knowledge of the GBA hardware, as I homebrew some stuff on the console. It just kind of goes with the territory. I don't have anything to really show for it though, as all my projects are still works in progress. The truth of the matter is that I am still merely a 3rd year Computer Science major, and not really capable of a whole lot yet.

    3. Re:Translation: by JasonAsbahr · · Score: 1

      Cool, got a web page with info on any of your projects yet?

    4. Re:Translation: by Grey+Ninja · · Score: 1

      Sorry, no I don't. I have a half finished 2D sidescroller engine... some story ideas, a few sprites, and I think I can get the support of an artist and musician. That's nothing really presentable.

      Right now I am just trying to find time to finish coding my mapping tools, and then I am going to finish my background class, and performance tweak absolutely anything that isn't nailed down. From there I can actually start making a real game. My biggest enemy right now is work... (10 hours a day, 5 days a week)

      Thanks for the interest though. =)

  13. as useful as... by tverbeek · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I can't imagine very many useful applications for this, but it sure is nifty.

    It's about as useful as... any basic handheld GPS unit. I don't have much use for one myself, but a fair number of people seem to.

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    1. Re:as useful as... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I belive the gps system is used by games so you can steal cars in what ever city you are really in. I forgot where i read about this.

  14. no applications need apply by moviepig.com · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I can't imagine very many useful applications for this...

    For years, I've driven with a triple-A card and a statewide mapbook on hand. I've seldom actually used either, but having them affords me a certain (justified or not) peace of mind in plunging into new automotive adventures.

    GPS/maps increase that same sort of assurance, and this gizmo seems to significantly commoditize the technology. I suspect that lack of a specific application won't matter.

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  15. I knew it! by imidazole2 · · Score: 1

    Thats why I brought my GameBoy wherever we went... on trips... to school... when we went camping... Because I KNEW there would be a practical purpose someday! (Aside from as a flashlight, if you've got the "I take 4 AA batteries yet my light only lasts a whole 2 hours" flashlight attachment.

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    1. Re:I knew it! by Technician · · Score: 2, Informative

      "I take 4 AA batteries yet my light only lasts a whole 2 hours" flashlight attachment.

      Dude! Trade that in. Eveready makes a nice folding LED reading/tent light. (it looks like a miniture folding flouresent lantern) It claims 200 hours on a set of batteries. I can't verify the claim as I'm still on my first set of batteries from last summer.

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    2. Re:I knew it! by dasmegabyte · · Score: 1

      I swear by my Petzl LED headlamp. Put it on and there's no night in the woods. I burn a set of batteries in it every summer...but I use rechargable alkalines, which are good for about 100 rechargings, so I don't expect to buy batteries in my lifetime.

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    3. Re:I knew it! by Technician · · Score: 1

      but I use rechargable alkalines, which are good for about 100 rechargings, so I don't expect to buy batteries in my lifetime.


      Don't bet on it. The battery is still a chemical reaction. It may get 100 cycles in daily operation, but I don't think the shelf life is anywhere near 100 years. I remember when Lithium cells came out many years ago. They were great because they had up to a 10 year shelf life. It was great for the flashlight next to the fuse box. All too often a regular flashlight on a shelf or in a drawer would be dead when needed simply because of shelf life.

      Regular non-rechargable alkaline batteries have a shelf life of less than 10 years. Rechargables usualy have shorter shelf life.

      Kodak brags up it's alkaline battery as having a long 7 year shelf life.

      Link is here- http://www.kodak.com/global/en/consumer/products/b atteries/photoAlkaline.jhtml

      In summary, don't bother spending big bucks on rechargable batteries for low power draw items such as smoke detectors and low power LED flashlights. You simply won't get many charge/discharge cycles before they are too old to function properly. It's cheaper to buy and replace long shelf life primary batteries for the flashlight next to the fuse box than fight with self discharged and old rechargable batteries.

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  16. No... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...he asked where, not how. A better question would have been from whom. Anyway, we'd all appriciate the dope on the skinny. Errr, the skinny on the dope. Whatever.

    1. Re:No... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I like to play with my anus when I masturbate.

  17. Pokemon world just got alot bigger by Fullmetal+Edward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Theres already alot of evidence that Pokemon regions are based on real places, with the wireless adapter you can goto see the 7th movie and it'll give you a special ticket toaccess the last pokemon in the pokedex not avaible any other way.

    It wouldn't surprize me for them to use the GPS (if they also do it with the DS) so you can wander from tokyo and each area will have different pokemon. It could even make the area around you and turn it into a map (think diablo 2 style but with real stuff). Hell they could have it so as you move your character moves.

    Very unlikely but it'd be a cool idea and might incourage a bit of tourism in Japan.

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    1. Re:Pokemon world just got alot bigger by zenneth · · Score: 1

      Because as we all know, Japan needs more weird stuff to add for tourism.

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    2. Re:Pokemon world just got alot bigger by Ossadagowah · · Score: 1

      Do you remember what happened to that
      kid playing Phantoma (Lain reference)?

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  18. It's about time by highwindarea · · Score: 5, Funny

    Every body I know has been saying "Gameboys are great, but I'm not buying one until it has a GPS"

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    I think this internet thing sounds like a good idea
    1. Re:It's about time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am amazed. And what do everybody you know intend to do with the GPS information on GBA?

  19. Some uses... by SmackCrackandPot · · Score: 1

    Maybe we'll have games that offer bonuses based on locations that you visit.

  20. Useful by beaverfever · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So far the majority of comments seem to be negative and describe the unit as junk, but despite my having no interest in owning any gameboy unit, this combo inrigues me - a hand-held GPS unit with (gasp!) a useful, legible map display - very nice, and a very smart way of accomplishing it. This is a product I'd consider.

    Perhaps those commenters deriding the effort haven't bothered to read the site - that's just my speculation, but it wouldn't surprise me - oops, now I'm getting into flaimbait territory.

    1. Re:Useful by theLOUDroom · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So far the majority of comments seem to be negative and describe the unit as junk, but despite my having no interest in owning any gameboy unit, this combo inrigues me

      People aren't really saying that it's junk, as much as that it's pointless.
      A handheld GPS unit goes for $90. This thing goes for $200. Even if you want a color screen, etc, etc you can get that for about the same price AND you don't need a gameboy.

      If this thing was $50 it would be cool, but for $200, it's just not worth it. It's like building an attachment that will turn your GBA into an electric drill for ONLY the cost of two electric drills.

      It's neat for the hack value, but I wouldn't run out and buy stock.

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  21. PRICE? by Cpt_Kirks · · Score: 4, Insightful

    $200? I can get a *VERY* nice GPS unit for a lot less.

    It seems to me that add-on gadgets for PDA's or the GBA should be *CHEAPER* than stand alone versions. They don't have to include the screen, buttons or in some cases a CPU.

    Why do add-ons cost *MORE*?

    1. Re:PRICE? by Dun+Malg · · Score: 1
      It seems to me that add-on gadgets for PDA's or the GBA should be *CHEAPER* than stand alone versions. They don't have to include the screen, buttons or in some cases a CPU. Why do add-ons cost *MORE*?

      The cost of components is such a small part of the price. Most of the cost is in design and implementation. Also, it looks to me like they're trying to milk it for all they can. Their reasoning is probably "if a stand alone GPS goes for $300, we can sell OURS for $200 and get a profitable segment of the market". Except that the crossover between the GBA crowd and the GPS crowd is already fairly small compared to either crowd by itself.

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    2. Re:PRICE? by Cpt_Kirks · · Score: 1

      Yes, but stand alone GPS units cost as little as $90. You can get one with a color screen for ~$180.

      Hell, the Garmin GPS watch can be had for as little as $99!

    3. Re:PRICE? by Dun+Malg · · Score: 1
      Yes, but stand alone GPS units cost as little as $90. You can get one with a color screen for ~$180. Hell, the Garmin GPS watch can be had for as little as $99!

      Heh. Damn. All the more proof that they really don't understand the market they're aiming at.

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    4. Re:PRICE? by kunudo · · Score: 1

      Because less is more.

    5. Re:PRICE? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My thoughts exactly. And by the time this hits the market, the Garmin GPS V and Magellan Map 330 will drop to a price less than this add-on card will be going for in price.

  22. Ummm... by 8tim8 · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Wow, that's really neat. I wonder what other products will be demo'd at E3 that we can pre-order on. It would be so helpful if Slashdot would provide links to all the other wonderful products (and links to the pre-order form), since I certainly don't want anything like, say, the sales of those products or grassroots word of mouth to determine which products are actually worthwhile (or not vaporware).

    It would be especially good if all the products would be featured in separate stories!

    /sarcasm

  23. Re:Why? by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Where are we Dad?

    Dad, are we there yet?

    Is it much farther, Dad?

    Dad, how much farther is it?

    Where are we Dad?

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  24. Very useful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's quite clear to me why there should be a GPS attachment here. How many times have you had your head down playing at your GBA, while walking to your destination, only to be completly dissoriented when you look up because you aren't in the place you thought you were.

    Well now with the GPS attachment you can know where you are going and get there without ever missing a beat of high intensitty action.

    1. Re:Very useful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This same comment has been posted several times already, but my question is, why do people think that you can play games and use the gps at the same time? It's clear that you can't do both at once.

    2. Re:Very useful by kd5ujz · · Score: 1

      The parent suggested that when you "look up" you will be disoriented, at that point you can break out the gps and re-orient your self.

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      God is everything science has yet to explain.
  25. maybe theyre just aiming at price? by Mister+Glass · · Score: 1

    lets see, its 100 for a gameboy advance sp and 200 for the gps unit, thats 300 dollars for a handheld gps with a 10 hour lion battery and a relatively large beatiful backlit color screen. it even weighs next to nothing and takes up very little space. assuming that they equip this thing with good color maps and offer a way to update them, tyhis would be an incredible deal.

  26. WHY? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Just go to Target and pick up a Garmin.
    Less money and smaller total size.
    And it works.

    1. Re:Why? by MurphyZero · · Score: 1

      And the power switch occurs, Dad asking the kids "Are we there yet?" and "Son, how much farther is it?" Of course, the early adopters are probably going to be recent college grads, folks still into gaming and new into money...Assuming they get hired, of course.

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  27. Re:maybe theyre just aiming at price? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    GBA SP is not backlit. It's frontlit with a uneven blue light. The display leaves much to be desired.

  28. pourm. by mrtsdabest · · Score: 1

    Complete your quest to save the world on your gameboy and in real life complete your GEOCACHING quest.

  29. Way Too EXPENISIVE by donnacha · · Score: 2, Insightful


    This company have are betting that people will pay roughly TWICE the price of a standard GPS unit purely for the novelty of being able to use their Gameboy.

    Yet another company that just Doesn't Get It.

    Seriously, someone should set up a forum where clueless, middle-aged marketing men can float their pricing strategies before shooting themselves in the foot like this.

    1. Re:Way Too EXPENISIVE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Twice the price? Are you nuts?

      $249 is a fricken bargain for a GPS unit with a color screen and the ability to download custom maps from my PC.

  30. Are we there yet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Timmy in backseat: "Dad, are we there yet????" Are we there yet???"

    Dad: "You tell me!"

  31. Game input? by kd5ujz · · Score: 1

    I dont know if anyone has sugested this, but what better way to get johnny burn some calories then to have an over head game, simular to zelda, where the game movemeny comes from the NEMA data from the gps? This could give you direction, speed, and even jumping if it had enough resolution ( very very doubtfull, less little johnny can jump more then 2 meters). Just an idea I had.

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    1. Re:Game input? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thats NMEA :)

  32. Boy Scout Geocaching by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can't wait until I get my GPS merit badge...

  33. very cool by frode · · Score: 1

    I saw a poratable game in japan that had a light sensor and the gameplay was effected by how much light you were playing in(it was a vampire type game).

    Imagine a game that was effected by where you were.
    You could have kids exploring libraries and museums to find a rare item or a level boss. This could be very cool.

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    1. Re:very cool by Grey+Ninja · · Score: 1

      That would indeed be very cool. However, as a 3rd party accessory, it's doubtful that many (any) games would use it.

      And the game you are talking about is Boktai. It's also out in North America now. =)

  34. Lost with gameboy by st0rmshadow · · Score: 3, Funny

    I can't imagine very many useful applications for this, but it sure is nifty.

    Obviously, you've never been lost in the jungle with your Gameboy.

    1. Re:Lost with gameboy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah what use could a GPS system be? Gee what could the possible uses of a Global Positioning System be? What in the world could one possibly do with a System for Global Positioning??

      what an idiot.

  35. Cheaper ways to GPS by PhoenixOne · · Score: 1
    You can get a new Garmin system for under $90. Hook it up to your PDA, Laptop, or (with a little work) your GBA.

    Cool idea, but unless they cut the price in half and start making cool games for it (and, I think GPS games will have their day in the sun soon...) this isn't going to fly.

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    1. Re:Cheaper ways to GPS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah dummy, this GBA GPS system isn't cheap! It's 90 for the GBA and 200 for the GPS. Which equals 290! My garmin system is 90! and it only requires a PDA or a Laptop! Which are 1000! So that equals 1090! Who would want this expensive GBA GSP system when they could just go out and get a laptop and Garmin system?!!?? /sarcasm

      dumass

    2. Re:Cheaper ways to GPS by PhoenixOne · · Score: 1
      The Garmin system doesn't require a laptop or PDA. It has its own display.

      Like I said, the only advantage I could see to the GBA version is if they had some killer games that used it. If you where just going to use it for mapping, you could by a better system for half the price.

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  36. The incognito war-driver by lullabud · · Score: 3, Interesting

    All they need is to add 802.11g in there and we'd have the ultimate incognito war-walking/driving/biking device!

    1. Re:The incognito war-driver by DrWily · · Score: 1

      Methinks it would be cheaper to use a Zaurus with a GPS unit and wireless card to go network sniffing. Then again, I haven't really looked into it so the price point could be effective for a GBA.

  37. I heard rumors of this a couple months ago... by jmos1277 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    A couple months ago I heard about a GPS system for the gameboy. It seemed more aimed at the Japanese market at the time. The one really cool idea I heard about the GPS was that Nintendo was going to be making games that relied on where you were in both time and space (the space they envisioned using was Tokyo). For instance, if the player is at the fish market at 4am instead of 7am with his gameboy, his character might be able to buy some really rare fish that he might not otherwise have been able to get. I know it's a strange example, but this of the wacky dynamics this could add to a game!! This would be similar to Majora's Mask, EXCEPT, it matters where the PLAYER is in time and space, not the character! I believe this was another attempt to by Nintendo to get gamers out of the house. Really, the idea is kind of a cross between Zelda: Marjora's Mask, the light sensing game (whatever it was called), and Animal Crossing. Not much good for us that don't live in Tokyo though. It'll be interesting to see what other more generic ideas they can come up with.

    1. Re:I heard rumors of this a couple months ago... by sker · · Score: 1

      Right.. and this company has APIs expressly for this purpose

      http://www.redskymobile.com/index.cfm?Section=So lu tions&Page=GPS%20Gaming

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  38. GPS w/GBA by pghpirate · · Score: 2, Interesting

    With wireless connectivity for GameBoys, I can imagine some pretty nifty peer-to-peer, realtime combat games....or some sort of detective-like game as a function of location (the mapping programs tell you where restaurants, motels, churches, schools, and other "points of interest" are and will give you directions for getting there, etc.) ...location-specific games, based on a generic game, informed by localized information. At minimum GPS+maps is a neat addon for a GBA, just like it is for a PDA.

  39. Yeah, how useful would a map be? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Commander Taco says he cannot think of any uses for this gadget, which is a GPS unit. Ummm... here's a suggestion, maybe it would be useful for telling you where the hell you are? Or maybe it would be useful for telling you where you are going? Did you think about that?
    not useful... mutter, mutter... idiot...

  40. Huh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You can't imagine a useful application for a handheld GPS that provides real-time map and location information?

    Got that imagination working overtime eh?