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If the numbers in TFA are true (36 million students, growing to 52 million by the end of 2009), then this is absolutely huge in terms of Linux install base. In fact, I think this project would approximately double the install base.

I know that "counting" the number of Linux installs is essentially impossible, but here are some random numbers I've accumulated that point to the approximate size of the Linux user base:
1. The Linux Counter estimated 29 million installs in 2005. This estimate involved numerous assumptions, such as extrapolating from 8 million installs reported by Red Hat in 1998.
2. According to an IDC study, the Linux marketshare for PCs was ~3% in 2003.
3. There are about 1 billion Internet users. Browser logs indicate that Linux accounts for ~0.8% to ~3.9% of web traffic. This gives us an estimate of 8 million to 39 million Linux users. (The upper estimate is undoubtedly an over-estimate since the value comes from W3Schools, which probably has a greater fraction of 'technical' users.)
4. According to Canonical's server logs from OS updates, there are approximately 6 million active users of Ubuntu (see here and here). Assuming that Ubuntu represents 30% of Linux usage (based on this), you can come up with an estimate of 20 million Linux users.
5. According to Fedora's logs for OS updates, there are approximately 2.8 million installations of Fedora Core 6, and 1.6 million of Fedora 7. Assuming Fedora represents 9% of Linux installs (again, based on this), you can estimate 48 million Linux users.

Obviously all of these methods have their own problems. I'm not claiming that any of these estimates are robust. However they do at least suggest a range for the number of Linux users (~20 million) and the marketshare of Linux (~1% to 2%).

So, this single project, it would seem, is drastically increasing (doubling?) Linux usage. This is huge, in my opinion, because a generation of students who have learned Linux will be far more likely to use and improve upon FLOSS when they enter the job market.

Correct: RC builds are not announced or mirrored worldwide. They're candidate images for testers to work with. They are publically available, though - anyone who's interested in helping can be a tester.

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA is a good place to start if you're interested in testing Fedora.

Otherwise, the next major public release is F9 final, scheduled for May 13.

This is the last major public release before the final GOLD Fedora 9 release on May 13th

I wish they'd do something better for the window titles. Yes, I know it's different to the other distros, but it just doesn't look good. It may just be the compression on those images, but the new version looks even stranger.

On the plus side, at least they ditched some of the original 'Sulphur' desktops. Those would have just made the default desktop look terrible.

Fedora has exactly what you want http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/FeatureCodecBuddy

Anyone have a link, or know off-hand, the major differences between this and the latest Ubuntu release? I realize there's the APT/RPM difference, but aside from that, what is notable?

KDE 4, among other things.

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/9/FeatureList

If a shopper wants to choose between 3 wifi cards, do the Linux developers bother to tell the shopper quickly and concisely which of those will work??

Hardware compatibility is a continually shifting target so a definitive list is difficult to maintain. It has been tried before but never with much success. I know Fedora have projects trying to use the smolt project to get people to report which hardware they have works and which is problematic.

WiFi cards are especially problematic. There have been several cases of manufacturers changing the underlying hardware used on a Wifi dongle whilst keeping exactly the same model number. Suddenly you have two identically labelled pieces of hardware, one of which works under Linux and one of which doesn't, and there's no way to tell without buying it and plugging it in.

I wonder where this leaves Fedora in the long term? I can't say I fault them, but honestly I would hope Red Hat would rise to the challenge rather than shrink away from it.

Lets hope Fedora continues, it is my favorite desktop distro. I like how the menus pull down from the top and are clean and organized. And have always had good stable use from it. In fact, I am counting the days to Fedora 9's release. (Fedora's site.

I really don't think RedHat can afford to let Fedora die. It is after all related to their desktop. And business does not drive the desktop, people do. Maybe the marketing misses this point, but business will buy what the users walk in the door knowing. Business are so adverse to training and change, they will follow user skills not lead in them. So unless RedHat wants to be a server only distribution in the future, they need Fedora.

Fedora 9 is this month as well. I very looking forward to the faster X startup/shutdown. :) Full list is here.

Fedora 9 is this month as well. I very looking forward to the faster X startup/shutdown. :) Full list is here.

Answers to your questions:

1) There is a file called 'cmd.exe' on your system

2) Clean up your machine with option A or option B. Be sure to click on the 'whole disk' option or some infected part may remain.

Regarding ports, Deluge on Fedora must be poking a hole through my firewall i don't know...

But when i comes to throttling and shaw, i just downloaded the Rawhide-20080328-Snapshot http://torrent.fedoraproject.org/ tonight and was getting 400-500 kbps download.

thats pretty good i think

A comment this ignorant, and yet this highly rated, pretty much demands a rebuttal.

1. "I think Red Hat has no right to attempt to coax or coerce companies into giving away code. If OSS is the future, then it will happen, with or without Jim's little tantrum."

Guess what? There are *a lot* of companies coming to Red Hat, right now, *asking how to participate in open source projects.* So Jim is not talking pie-in-the-sky here; he's talking about capitalizing on momentum that already exists. There's pretty much zero coercion involved here.

2. "It is ridiculous for a CEO to attempt to paint his company as some kind of inspired model upon which other companies should remodel themselves."

So why is it, exactly, that Sun and Novell are trying to rebuild their business models, again? Help me out here.

3. "If Jim wants to make a difference, he should fund new development from emerging pools, like Google with the GSoC (not that I'm a Google fan, but that's another story), or IBM with their paid employee time contributions, or EnterpriseDB with their backports to the PostgreSQL team or Sun with their (somewhat clumsy) contributions to the OSS community. There are plenty of companies already doing what he says, he should be happy for that and encourage those already willing rather than attempting to project an agenda onto those it does not suit."

Considering that *every engineer at Red Hat is an open source software engineer*, either full-time or part-time, I'd say that Red Hat is funding plenty of open source development all around, thanks very much. Or maybe you don't think that any of this stuff counts.

4. "Having a whine that companies in the Old Establishment should be putting free money into his playpen is a naieve, futile and potentially harmful thing for Jim to be doing."

As it turns out, executives at big companies are smarter than you are. See, they understand the difference between "differentiating value" and "non-differentiating value". (Read some Bruce Perens if you don't get that idea.) Jim Whitehurst was the COO of a Very Large Company that had a larger annual IT budget than Red Hat's entire annual revenues. He saw firsthand how much money and manhours IT departments waste on software that doesn't actually add any value to the business. "Old Establishment" is looking desperately to make sure that those IT guys are building value, not wasting time on stuff that doesn't differentiate them from their competition. Understanding *and participating in* the open source model is one of the best possible ways to do exactly that. Which is why "Old Establishment" is coming to Red Hat and saying "help us".

The limiting factor is that Red Hat is not yet big enough to provide all of the services and guidance that these customers need. Jim is committing himself, publicly, to meeting that challenge. At Red Hat, we're all very proud of him for saying so.

Does anyone knows the difference between the two projects? Does preload have a better algorithm for selecting the files to read? Does it also use this special syscall?

Linux users are way too paranoid to let any of their distros report back install data.

They're not as paranoid as you think. Hundreds of thousands of Fedora (and some other distro) users are allowing Smolt to collect their machine stats.

No, Marketing didn't pick the name.
Devs pick names based on a connection to a previous name. Its a privilege granted to them only. The list is then examined by Red Hat Legal Dept, and the "available" names are put up on a poll, in which any member of the Fedora Community can vote. The winner this round was "Sulphur", which is used to kill "Werewolves" (Fedora 8's Codename)

List of all Fedora Names and their connections
Disclaimer: I'm part of the Fedora Ambassadors ;)

I've been trying different Linux releases since 6 or 7

You'll note that their target machine for X11 2d desktop performance is a 1.7GHz Pentium M with a Radeon 7500, which they say is "not fast and therefore a good target for tuning." I miss the days when you could expect- out of the box- to get good desktop performance on your 400MHz Pentium II and have a ~1.5GB install footprint (or less if you bothered deselecting stuff you didn't need on install). Now endless tweaking and tuning and putzing with stuff is required to get poor (rather than abysmal) performance on something 2-3 times that fast using 2-3 times the space. There's really been about as much proportional bloat in Linux distros since the RH 6.x days as there has been in corresponding Windows versions up to Vista.

PulseAudio works great in Fedora 8. That's not really surprizing as the primary developer is a Red Hat employee (see http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Interviews/LennartPoettering ). It's weird the way Ubuntu advocacy pieces rarely mention that most of the software which is touted as being part of the Ubuntu experience is usually programmed by Debian or Red Hat or Novell developers.

Offer to loan them a spare to run along side their legacy system. Walk them through it on a spare, start with the full installation all the way up to adding packages with the package manager. Fedora KDE or Kubuntu are recommended. By then most fears are allayed. They'll see how darn easy is to install and configure. They'll see how darn easy it is to install programs and ask why it can't be so easy on the legacy system.

Usually what happens next, at least for the power users, is that they go out on their own and set up their main computer as dual boot during the next "reformat and re-install" phase. After that, they'll be looking for open source programs almost exclusively.

I bugged out of Fedora as of FC6. I don't know if it's still around, but there was a version of apt-get for Fedora available via repository as of then. I just looked:
apt-get is the automatic dependency resolver originally used by Debian. It works over dpkg in a similar way to how yum, smart or up2date use RPM. It is used to install packages and their dependencies automatically. It has been ported to use RPM and rpmlib by Conectiva and has been made available for Fedora. It is currently maintained at http://apt-rpm.org/ by PanuMatilainen from Red Hat.

As for the 'popularity' of Fedora / SuSE / RHEL. . . I'm sure that Dell took it into account when they picked Ubuntu as a distro for their new consumer Linux boxes. And laughed.

I'd fart in your general direction, but you'd probably enjoy that so I won't bother. At this point in time, ignorant zealots like you are a bigger obstacle to mass-market Linux than Microsoft is.

Perhaps if you were to do hard things like get acquainted with your own distro, you'd be less of a fanatic and more useful.

You could try their live CD (flavoured with your favourite desktop manager).
Drivers is one place where Ubuntu is much better - especially graphics cards.

Seriously, what the hell are these Linux vendors thinking? It's not 1994, we don't need another laggy, buggy, soundcard hogging sound server! The first thing I do when installing a new distribution is make sure that both ESD and Arts will never run.

ALSA supports sound devices with hardware mixing and it supports transparent software mixing for devices without. All this stupid sound server will do is make it more difficult to get sound working properly with 3rd party applications. My favorite quote is from the Fedora Wiki regarding this topic (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/FeaturePulseaudio):

I fear every single OSS-using package needs to patched to replace the actual binary by a shell script that runs the real binary through padsp.

That alone should send off alarm bells in the developers' heads. This is a BAD idea. At least the KDE devs have it right. They are dropping Arts from KDE 4. I hope it's only Gnome users that will have to deal with a braindead sound server.... again.

The only part of your post that I really can comment on is the free media art. You can request free CDs from http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/FreeMedia. It might not be as quick as Ubuntu, since they don't have the same type of financial support for the program that Canonical provides.

Personal preference more than anything. Ubuntu works for some but not for everyone. For me Ubuntu is too flaky and the community, while refreshing, can be about as stiff as any other out there. I'm not going to point fingers but some of the Ubuntu main contributors can be a little unpractical when solving problems. From my opinion, the community support I've encountered with fedora was almost non-existent or I was unaware of it completely. Their presence is a little more apparent now but like all communities they can be stiff.

I've kinda got stuck with Fedora and Red Hat. There were more RPMs that met my personal needs; driver support, development apps, etc. There has been more support for fedora/red hat apps without having to compile from source for as long as I can remember. deb systems can be hit and miss. I don't want to use some strangers compiled package. I would like to get packages from a reliable source. I don't want to compile packages every time there is an update. I don't want to watch RSS feeds to see when the updates are available. If I wanted to compile I would build from scratch. I'm not running my own distro here and to be honest it takes too much effort to do something like that. That's my argument for fedora.

For the CodecBuddy (Codeina Project Page), I'm disappointed. It's incomplete and its really called Codeina. The app doesn't do anything but inform the user of legal issues. It then redirects the user to a website to purchase from there. Codeina promises to install the codecs for you but in the end the user will have to do it manually. The app itself is hard to find but it's there. I haven't seen it popup on firstboot. I had to search for it in order to finally see what the whole hubbub was all about.

The whole respin is a good idea but falls apart when you attempt to use revisor. It's another incomplete project (ie.: current bug reports). I use kickstart with livecd-creator because they're stable and reliable. My biggest pet peeve with revisor is that you can only create livecd media. Installation respins fail regardless of architecture. Spinning a 64bit livecd from i386 desktop has been unavailable even though revisor provides options to do that type of task. Hopefully they fixed all of this with their last update from a few days back. I just don't have the time to check. It's a good idea but right now the command prompt app is the better choice.

With Ubuntu, the spins provided are based on either window managers or targets specific markets by generalizing what packages they might need. Respinning trims the fat from the bloat. Even then, Ubuntu has dependency hell written all over it (Ubuntu Desktop Package). I can't uninstall evolution without having to uninstall the majority of applications I need to have on my system. With Fedora and their respins I don't have to have it on my computer at all if I don't want it.

About the theme, it's alright but I still go to gnome-look.org/kde-look.org to get my themes. About PulseAudio: It runs. I still use jack, alsa, oss when it comes to running certain apps. It's seems like it might help with audio. I can't really tell, haven't had a problem with audio.

People complain a lot about RPM based systems. Apt is faster, that's a given. The Fedora team has improved yum quite a bit over the past couple of distros. Yum for FC6 was a pain and with SELinux, the whole update process was a bit of a chore. SELinux-corepolicies update pretty much fixes that problem. With Fedora it's always best to update from a terminal on firstboot. Just press ctrl+alt+f1, log into root, run "yum update" from there and it makes the process run much more smoothly. Afterwards, pup works great for updating the system. Yum is a lot faster than it used to be. On their site t

Personal preference more than anything. Ubuntu works for some but not for everyone. For me Ubuntu is too flaky and the community, while refreshing, can be about as stiff as any other out there. I'm not going to point fingers but some of the Ubuntu main contributors can be a little unpractical when solving problems. From my opinion, the community support I've encountered with fedora was almost non-existent or I was unaware of it completely. Their presence is a little more apparent now but like all communities they can be stiff.

I've kinda got stuck with Fedora and Red Hat. There were more RPMs that met my personal needs; driver support, development apps, etc. There has been more support for fedora/red hat apps without having to compile from source for as long as I can remember. deb systems can be hit and miss. I don't want to use some strangers compiled package. I would like to get packages from a reliable source. I don't want to compile packages every time there is an update. I don't want to watch RSS feeds to see when the updates are available. If I wanted to compile I would build from scratch. I'm not running my own distro here and to be honest it takes too much effort to do something like that. That's my argument for fedora.

For the CodecBuddy (Codeina Project Page), I'm disappointed. It's incomplete and its really called Codeina. The app doesn't do anything but inform the user of legal issues. It then redirects the user to a website to purchase from there. Codeina promises to install the codecs for you but in the end the user will have to do it manually. The app itself is hard to find but it's there. I haven't seen it popup on firstboot. I had to search for it in order to finally see what the whole hubbub was all about.

The whole respin is a good idea but falls apart when you attempt to use revisor. It's another incomplete project (ie.: current bug reports). I use kickstart with livecd-creator because they're stable and reliable. My biggest pet peeve with revisor is that you can only create livecd media. Installation respins fail regardless of architecture. Spinning a 64bit livecd from i386 desktop has been unavailable even though revisor provides options to do that type of task. Hopefully they fixed all of this with their last update from a few days back. I just don't have the time to check. It's a good idea but right now the command prompt app is the better choice.

With Ubuntu, the spins provided are based on either window managers or targets specific markets by generalizing what packages they might need. Respinning trims the fat from the bloat. Even then, Ubuntu has dependency hell written all over it (Ubuntu Desktop Package). I can't uninstall evolution without having to uninstall the majority of applications I need to have on my system. With Fedora and their respins I don't have to have it on my computer at all if I don't want it.

About the theme, it's alright but I still go to gnome-look.org/kde-look.org to get my themes. About PulseAudio: It runs. I still use jack, alsa, oss when it comes to running certain apps. It's seems like it might help with audio. I can't really tell, haven't had a problem with audio.

People complain a lot about RPM based systems. Apt is faster, that's a given. The Fedora team has improved yum quite a bit over the past couple of distros. Yum for FC6 was a pain and with SELinux, the whole update process was a bit of a chore. SELinux-corepolicies update pretty much fixes that problem. With Fedora it's always best to update from a terminal on firstboot. Just press ctrl+alt+f1, log into root, run "yum update" from there and it makes the process run much more smoothly. Afterwards, pup works great for updating the system. Yum is a lot faster than it used to be. On their site t

I'd prefer a system where if I update all of my software from version 8, I'll have version 9, without having to reinstall the whole OS.

Well, you can do systemwide upgrades with yum from e.g. Fedora 7 to Fedora 8:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/YumUpgradeFaq#head-56b13936246769f517ac488a0098d193c7fc3600

I know I'm kinda doing apples to oranges, but I'd prefer something like Gentoo, where the 2007.0 release is basically 2006.1, with all of the packages updated to the latest versions.

Personally I like that my distro actively adds and depreciates packages. selinux, lvm, xen are nice additions to Fedora, just like ext3 and cups where in the past, but they are not just simple programs that one can add to the distro by making a simple package. So sometimes OS reinstalls makes sense, at least if you want to use technology that can't be easily implemented by a simple program installation.

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No. You, sir, are full of crap. When you look at what's actually used and widely recognized in the world of Linux (especially for desktops), you'll plainly see that there are several "mainstream" distros that garner the lion's share of attention and represent the vast majority of the installed base:

In no particular order:

(1) Red Hat Linux

(2) Fedora Linux (community bleeding-edge source for Red Hat)

(2) Mandriva Linux (used to be Mandrake)

(3) Ubuntu Linux (plus variants, Edubuntu, Xubuntu, Kubuntu, etc)

(4) SUSE Linux (owned by Novell these days)

(5) Gentoo Linux

Yes, we also have Debian, Slackware and many others that don't necessarily have huge commercial ties, but they're also the base for many commercial distros. You might be using Linux From Scratch, or one of several dozen other random distros with has an installed base of 100 users, but if that's the case you're pretty far from the average desktop or server Linux user.

My Apache logs tell the story pretty well. As Captial One might say, what's in your logfiles?

What do you think http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE is? Fedora supports KDE just fine, and will probably be one of the first distributions to ship with KDE 4. (We're starting at 4.0, not 4.1.)

You find those RPM here, but you'll have to pass them trough alien. Anyway, I don't recommend using those packages, since they are normaly too old for testing and too unstable for stable ;)

I guess slashdot wont let us EDIT posts anymore but i forgot to say this:

http://docs.fedoraproject.org/release-notes/f8/en_US/sn-Live.html

7.4.
USB Booting
Another way to use these Live images is to put them on a USB stick. To do this, install the livecd-tools package from the development repository. Then, run the livecd-iso-to-disk script:

/usr/bin/livecd-iso-to-disk /path/to/live.iso /dev/sdb1

Replace /dev/sdb1 with the partition where you want to put the image.
This is not a destructive process; any data you currently have on your USB stick is preserved.

http://docs.fedoraproject.org/release-notes/f8/en_US/sn-OverView.html
2.2.1.
Spins Fedora includes several different spins, which are variations of Fedora built from a specific set of software packages. Each spin has a combination of software to meet the requirements of a specific kind of end user. In addition to a very small boot.iso image for network installation, users have the following spin choices:

* A regular Fedora image for desktops, workstations, and server users. This spin provides a good upgrade path and similar environment for users of previous releases of Fedora.

* One of four Live images that can be run from a disc or USB flash device, and can be installed to hard disk as desired. See the "Live" section for more information about the Live images.

More custom spins are available at http://spins.fedoraproject.org./ Remember that these Live images can be used on USB media via the livecd-iso-to-disk utility available in the livecd-tools package.

http://docs.fedoraproject.org/release-notes/f8/en_US/sn-OverView.html
2.2.1.
Spins Fedora includes several different spins, which are variations of Fedora built from a specific set of software packages. Each spin has a combination of software to meet the requirements of a specific kind of end user. In addition to a very small boot.iso image for network installation, users have the following spin choices:

* A regular Fedora image for desktops, workstations, and server users. This spin provides a good upgrade path and similar environment for users of previous releases of Fedora.

* One of four Live images that can be run from a disc or USB flash device, and can be installed to hard disk as desired. See the "Live" section for more information about the Live images.

More custom spins are available at http://spins.fedoraproject.org./ Remember that these Live images can be used on USB media via the livecd-iso-to-disk utility available in the livecd-tools package.

Can you OFFICIALLY update a server (no X11, no physical access) yet?

No. This isn't officially supported yet. Of course many people do this very successfully and there are plenty of guides around detailing work-rounds for any problems.

For Fedora 9, being able to do a live upgrade is one of the targeted features. If you're interested in this then join the SIG and help out with the testing so this can become an official upgrade method.

I have use the yum upgrade method for quite some time. You may wish to check out the Fedora yum upgrade faq at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/YumUpgradeFaq - there is also a non-official guide to using yum to upgrade a number of RedHat distributions at http://www.brandonhutchinson.com/Upgrading_Red_Hat_Linux_with_yum.html

You may want to make sure you read some of the gotchas as if you have packages that are not from the Fedora Project and they are not upgraded or compatible with the newer version you are upgrading to you may need to delete them.

Note also that there are some difficulties in the x84_64 CPU architecture as more things become native 64-bit and thus some conflicts with older releases may happen...

I have use the yum upgrade method for quite some time. You may wish to check out the Fedora yum upgrade faq at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/YumUpgradeFaq - there is also a non-official guide to using yum to upgrade a number of RedHat distributions at http://www.brandonhutchinson.com/Upgrading_Red_Hat_Linux_with_yum.html

You may want to make sure you read some of the gotchas as if you have packages that are not from the Fedora Project and they are not upgraded or compatible with the newer version you are upgrading to you may need to delete them.

Note also that there are some difficulties in the x84_64 CPU architecture as more things become native 64-bit and thus some conflicts with older releases may happen...

not enough reasons to move
did you read the notes?
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/8/ReleaseSummary#head-4f0c6fbce5ef70b1b3c850fbd9dd725ddfd48a42
as someone else wrote
* custom spins
* fedora 8 on a usb key
* pulseaudio
* codecbuddy
* yum improvements (yes it's fast)
* packagemanagement improvements (change repos and more)
* gui for firewall
* online desktop
* the whole fedoraproject.org website and associated projects
* Network Manager suppose to have seamless capabilities
* New Syslog demon
* seamless bluetooth integration and laptop improvments
I can go on. I'm very excited about this release you kidding?

For folks who are downloading, http://fedoraproject.org/get-fedora is the best starting point to the GNOME, KDE, and other spins.

There are a few "official" links that people might find useful:

Release Summary -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/8/ReleaseSummary

Release Notes -- http://docs.fedoraproject.org/release-notes/f8/en_US/

Fedora Project Leader's release announcement -- http://lwn.net/Articles/257644/

And of course the downloads at http://torrent.fedoraproject.org/

There are a few "official" links that people might find useful:

Release Summary -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/8/ReleaseSummary

Release Notes -- http://docs.fedoraproject.org/release-notes/f8/en_US/

Fedora Project Leader's release announcement -- http://lwn.net/Articles/257644/

And of course the downloads at http://torrent.fedoraproject.org/

There are a few "official" links that people might find useful:

Release Summary -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/8/ReleaseSummary

Release Notes -- http://docs.fedoraproject.org/release-notes/f8/en_US/

Fedora Project Leader's release announcement -- http://lwn.net/Articles/257644/

And of course the downloads at http://torrent.fedoraproject.org/

I remember reading somewhere today that this release puts Fedora "back on track for predictability". I wonder if that bodes well for their perception?

In any event anyone who has followed along with the "Fedora Philosophy" knows that they always had the objective of releasing fairly quickly and all the while trying the latest and greatest technologies, however rough they are. You don't have to be a genius to know where the newest technologies end up all polished: RHEL.

I tried out the RC3 release a week ago and felt it a slight notable improvement over Fedora 7 in terms of polish and performance although that's just a brief evaluation. Here are some links (most I just pulled off the last link):

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/8/ReleaseSummary
http://docs.fedoraproject.org/release-notes/f8/
http://docs.fedoraproject.org/install-guide/
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Bugs/F8Common
http://www.mjmwired.net/resources/mjm-fedora-f8.html

Oh wait ... looks like fedoraproject site is overwhelmed!

I remember reading somewhere today that this release puts Fedora "back on track for predictability". I wonder if that bodes well for their perception?

In any event anyone who has followed along with the "Fedora Philosophy" knows that they always had the objective of releasing fairly quickly and all the while trying the latest and greatest technologies, however rough they are. You don't have to be a genius to know where the newest technologies end up all polished: RHEL.

I tried out the RC3 release a week ago and felt it a slight notable improvement over Fedora 7 in terms of polish and performance although that's just a brief evaluation. Here are some links (most I just pulled off the last link):

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/8/ReleaseSummary
http://docs.fedoraproject.org/release-notes/f8/
http://docs.fedoraproject.org/install-guide/
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Bugs/F8Common
http://www.mjmwired.net/resources/mjm-fedora-f8.html

Oh wait ... looks like fedoraproject site is overwhelmed!

I remember reading somewhere today that this release puts Fedora "back on track for predictability". I wonder if that bodes well for their perception?

In any event anyone who has followed along with the "Fedora Philosophy" knows that they always had the objective of releasing fairly quickly and all the while trying the latest and greatest technologies, however rough they are. You don't have to be a genius to know where the newest technologies end up all polished: RHEL.

I tried out the RC3 release a week ago and felt it a slight notable improvement over Fedora 7 in terms of polish and performance although that's just a brief evaluation. Here are some links (most I just pulled off the last link):

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/8/ReleaseSummary
http://docs.fedoraproject.org/release-notes/f8/
http://docs.fedoraproject.org/install-guide/
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Bugs/F8Common
http://www.mjmwired.net/resources/mjm-fedora-f8.html

Oh wait ... looks like fedoraproject site is overwhelmed!