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Subaru's B-pillar has multiple layers of different types of steel. There are welds under welds, building up the pillar in a multi-step process. You can't just weld on top of it. https://www.planetsubaru.com/s... https://www.firehouse.com/resc...

I mean its kinda hard to say if the economics really do make sense or not, but its at least plausible. And frankly, if the location and purpose of use for each drone is available in near-real-time, then its hardly a spying tool, though it could still be used for surveillance in some sense.

The economics do not make sense. They are trying to save money on already sunk costs. Here's the problem:

They say 95% of the fire calls are false alarms. Fine. 95% of the time, their firefighters respond and - nothing. Wasted trip. However, the firefighters were already on duty. They are getting paid whether or not they're on a call. All you did was waste some diesel. So....you say cut the number of firefighters. Ok, problem is when you do have an event, you need all of those firefighters. So....you can't cut them. They're assuming the mean will cover all cases...when they really have to staff for the worst case scenario. Then, supposing you do use the drone for one of those real events, you have now lost that amount of time to respond. (e.g. if the drone takes 4 minutes to fly somewhere, the real equipment will be delayed by that amount of time.) This could be a big deal as a house fire can double in size every 1-2 minutes and a person can drown and suffer brain damage in 4-6 minutes.

Yes, I was firefighter and paramedic for ten years, and I saw this kind of corner-cutting all the time. It will come back to bite them.

Well, I figure that the firefighters and paramedics will still have to respond despite the drone, or they will lose precious minutes. So, the drone just adds another dollar to the equation. There is no way to cost justify the drones. What they really should say is "we want shiny drones".

I mean its kinda hard to say if the economics really do make sense or not, but its at least plausible. And frankly, if the location and purpose of use for each drone is available in near-real-time, then its hardly a spying tool, though it could still be used for surveillance in some sense.

The economics do not make sense. They are trying to save money on already sunk costs. Here's the problem:

They say 95% of the fire calls are false alarms. Fine. 95% of the time, their firefighters respond and - nothing. Wasted trip. However, the firefighters were already on duty. They are getting paid whether or not they're on a call. All you did was waste some diesel. So....you say cut the number of firefighters. Ok, problem is when you do have an event, you need all of those firefighters. So....you can't cut them. They're assuming the mean will cover all cases...when they really have to staff for the worst case scenario. Then, supposing you do use the drone for one of those real events, you have now lost that amount of time to respond. (e.g. if the drone takes 4 minutes to fly somewhere, the real equipment will be delayed by that amount of time.) This could be a big deal as a house fire can double in size every 1-2 minutes and a person can drown and suffer brain damage in 4-6 minutes.

Yes, I was firefighter and paramedic for ten years, and I saw this kind of corner-cutting all the time. It will come back to bite them.

The times for suspended animation are short (in a scifi sense) but this has happened before and the research is close to 40 years old. Two boys fell into ice a while back and were dead for about an hour to an hour and half. http://www.firehouse.com/forum... As well back in 87 the the was an article about a Beagle that was down for for quite awhile with ice water for blood till they pumped the blood back. From what I understand the big danger is that the brain is sensitive to oxygen when in the suspended state and needs to have oxygen slowly brought back or it caused major damage to the cells. Not quite on the same thread there was a article a while back about a man in Japan that suffered a head injury in the snow and was found a month later and in a self induced hibernation.

I know no one wants to think that the car they worked so hard on could catch fire or be in a wreck, but these things happen. Unfortunately, not to much attention is paid to the firefighters that have to respond to these incidents. Firefighters, for the most part, can handle a "traditional" car fire. When you start adding these big battery packs, dozens of airbags, combustible metals and higher ethanol fuels then things can start to get really hairy.

This article details some of the problems that the FD encountered with this fire. I know in the past Nissan released something for the Leaf, has Tesla done anything like that?

Hindsight is 20/20, but I think this FD was a little too aggressive considering they didn't know how the vehicle would react. We need to consider deploying foam or dry-chem on car fires from the start. Also, if there's no life hazard, I wouldn't want to create one by putting my head right next to a battery filled with I-don't-know-what and then proceeding to poke holes in it with my halligan.

Cars are dumpsters on wheels, you never know what's in them. The insurance company will buy the owner a new one, no need to get hurt for something that's already 99% burned by the time you get there.

Yup, Stamp Collecting is harmless
http://www.firehouse.com/forums/t91087/


Well, maybe not... but darn it, maybe a simple argument over Ford vs. Chevy is then...

http://www.theledger.com/article/20060418/NEWS/604180378


Well, that's unfortunate.

How about stop blaming religion, politics, or any other grouping of people and start blaming oh... I don't know... maybe the people who are responsible themselves? Stupidity is an individual problem that just happens to grow in groups, regardless of the reason for those groups.

Pathetic.

When an unarmed man alone gets into a fight with multiple armed people, it's a rare case where the unarmed man is the aggressor.

I'm not so sure about that:

EL MIRAGE, Ariz. -- Three firefighters were assaulted while responding to a late-night medical call on Dec. 5, according to The Arizona Republic.
The crew found a teen -- reportedly suffering from an overdose -- running around. They were able to calm him down to check his vital signs and insert an intravenous needle, but officials told the newspaper that the patient become violent when firefighters tried to place him on a gurney.
The 16-year-old began punching, kicking and scratching the first responders.
Police were called for assistance and were able to subdue the teen, who was on probation and wore an ankle bracelet monitor.
The firefighters suffered only minor injuries.
According to the report, a recent survey conducted for the Arizona Fire Chiefs Association show that 55 percent of responders in the state said they had been assaulted at least once while on the job. Ariz. Firefighters Assaulted by Patient

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Daniel A. Noble, of Moscow, Wash., was allegedly driving erratically Monday morning on the Washington State University campus and struck two pedestrians - one in a crosswalk, the other on a sidewalk. The victims were taken to the hospital.
At the scene police said that Noble was uncooperative. "He was combative at the start, when we tried to take him into custody," Lt. Steve Hansen of the WSU police told The Spokesman-Review. Police used a Taser to subdue Noble.
Mark Moorer, Noble's lawyer, said Tuesday that his client was known to consume large amounts of energy drinks and Starbucks coffee. Moorer said in court that the caffeine could have accounted for Noble's strange behavior.
Noble's wife told investigators that he started acting strangely about three days earlier, was not sleeping at night and seemed confused. During Tuesday's hearing, Noble got up and tried to walk away from the defense table, but his lawyer pulled him back to his seat.
Following in the footsteps of the "Twinkie defense" , The Oregonian has dubbed this the "The Starbucks Defense." Lawyer: Driver Had 'Caffeine Psychosis'

Yeah, because this sort of thing never happens on land lines.

Your provider can screw up your address no matter who it is. Don't think that just because you're with a provider who gives you physical service at a location that they can't possibly screw it up.

"It is well documented that when human skin reaches 119F, a first-degree burn will result; 131F will produce a second-degree burn; and 150F will give a third-degree burn." ...

"This corresponds to the fact that human skin must be exposed to 160F for 60 seconds or 180F for 30 seconds or 212F for 15 seconds to produce a second-degree burn.""

"Variables Attributable to
Third Degree Burn*
Water Temp. (F) Exposure time
120 9.5 minutes
125 2.0 minutes
130 30 seconds
140 15 seconds
150 1.8 seconds
158 1.0 seconds

*From studies conducted by Lewis & Love
(1926; Wu. Yung-Chi, N.B.S. (1972); Dr.
M.A. Stoll, for U.S. Navy (1979)"

"Ideal serving temperature: 155F to 175F (70C to 80C)
Many of the volatile aromatics in coffee have boiling points above 150F (65C). They simply are not perceived when coffee is served at lower temperatures."

"ideal holding temperature: 175F to 185F (80C to 85C)
Most all the volatile aromatics in coffee have boiling points well below that of water and continue to evaporate from the surface until pressure in the serving container reaches equilibrium. A closed container can slow the process of evaporation."

Firetrucks almost always come equipped with a mechanism by which a License plate can be attached. Some states do not require license plates on Fire trucks because the truck number is sufficient to verify registration, and identify the vehicle. In these cases fake plates are sometimes used, such as "1-800-GRAB-DUI" or other public service messages, other times no plates are used. (Patrol cars in come states have exactly the same system in place). In Ohio, AFAICT this is true of Firetrucks, patrol cars, and school-buses. Now even if a plate is not legally necessarily,the BMV can still issue one if requested (however, AFAICT, the BMV is not obligated to do so).

In other places, firetrucks have special license plates, or use the standard government license plates.

See: http://forums.firehouse.com/archive/index.php/t-65 499.html and http://www.dmvnv.com/pdfforms/sp30.pdf for example

...This Cartoon. Seems like Fire/EMS are the only fields in America where pride is still a part of the job. How is this machine supposed to cut holes in roofs, pull people out of homes, pull people out of cars without breaking their necks, and ventilate a house? Not a firefighter if it can't do all that and more :P

Nowhere in these links is any evidence to support your ridiculous claim of 'severe damage'....did you think I wouldn't check?

Um, well, I also looked in the links, and I actually read the interviews. Maybe you didn't. Here's a callout that may help you: From This link:

. . . [B]ut then you looked on the south side of 7 there had to be a hole 20 stories tall in the building, with fire on several floors. Debris was falling down on the building and it didn't look good.

That's a hole 20 stories tall in your argument as well. I wonder what other minor, incidental damage there may be.

That's too bad, because that would have made sense. Instead we have the Warren Commision-esque "magic fire".

That's too bad, because that would have made sense. Instead we have the Warren Commision-esque "magic fire".

1. Not that I doubt the Pentagon was hit by an aircraft, but it is documented fact that several security camera tapes were confiscated after the crash. Release them in their entirety.

2. Explain to me why standard operating procedures for NORAD that would normally require specific orders to disregard, were disregarded that day.

3. Explain to me how WTC-7 came to be the only steel-framed structure in recorded history to suffer a complete collapse as a result of fire alone. (FEMA's own report offers an elaborate theory which they say has a "low probability of occurance")

4. In light of the signifigance (particularly to insurers, architechts, engineers) of WTC-7's collapse-due-to-fire, why were the building remains sold to China for scrap before they could be fully analyzed?

The building had been evacuated hours before the collapse, it was not necessary for rescue crews. This is a major event in the building industry: if steel structures can collapse from fire alone, insurance rates would have to be adjusted, architects would have to reconsider the design of thousands of structures.

5. If Flight 93 was destroyed by being crashed (intentionally or accidentally) into a field in Shanksville, PA, why did it leave a debris field over 8+ miles?

1. Not that I doubt the Pentagon was hit by an aircraft, but it is documented fact that several security camera tapes were confiscated after the crash. Release them in their entirety.

2. Explain to me why standard operating procedures for NORAD that would normally require specific orders to disregard, were disregarded that day.

3. Explain to me how WTC-7 came to be the only steel-framed structure in recorded history to suffer a complete collapse as a result of fire alone. (FEMA's own report offers an elaborate theory which they say has a "low probability of occurance")

4. In light of the signifigance (particularly to insurers, architechts, engineers) of WTC-7's collapse-due-to-fire, why were the building remains sold to China for scrap before they could be fully analyzed?

The building had been evacuated hours before the collapse, it was not necessary for rescue crews. This is a major event in the building industry: if steel structures can collapse from fire alone, insurance rates would have to be adjusted, architects would have to reconsider the design of thousands of structures.

5. If Flight 93 was destroyed by being crashed (intentionally or accidentally) into a field in Shanksville, PA, why did it leave a debris field over 8+ miles?

Not at all, and that is not what I wrote.

Many enviriomentalist positions require "belief"--"faith," if you will--to accept. Belief and faith, when challenged, incite zealousness, emotion, and sometimes extreme behavior (e.g. burning down housing developments http://cms.firehouse.com/content/article/article.j sp?sectionId=46&id=37335 in the name of environmentalism, or flying air liners into buildings in the name of radical Islam, or launching the Crusades in the name of Christianity.

Although environmentalism and religion are clearly not the same thing, the behavior of many "believers" inside both institutions are the same.

There are a number of manufactures that make them for fire department use already. Check out a link here:

http://buyersguide.firehouse.com/buyersguide/Subca tegoryPage.cfm?MajCatCodeParam=55&MinCatCodeParam= 110

The above link is a listing of various manufactures. I can attest that my former fire department used (and loved) the ISG cameras. Very stable, long battery life, and the video transmitter was great for training and live fire fighting purposes.

I applaud this technology as a great achievment!

She then made a disparaging but very amusing comment about "rocket scientists"...

A similar and possibly authentic story is told about Einstein:

Meanwhile, like any demigod, he accreted bits of legend. That he opened a book and found an uncashed $1,500 check he had left as a bookmark (maybe--he was absent-minded about everyday affairs). That he was careless about socks, collars, slippers . . .

While Einstein was known to be unfailingly polite, Newton "had a suspicious and quarrelsome temper" and was "very irritable when contradicted."

We clerks in this world must be prepared to cut the geniuses among us some slack. If we can't learn anything from them we can at least turn the inconvenience they cause us into amusing anecdotes.

Why are four schools crammed into one building with no A/C, known arsonist children, smoke damage from arson, moldy water-damaged carpeting, children carrying firearms, and children allowed to behave any way they want to with zero threat of every being suspended?

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Four Schools Close Due To Fire In Building

POSTED: 12:48 p.m. EDT May 20, 2004
UPDATED: 12:49 p.m. EDT May 20, 2004

Story by http://theWBALChannel.com

BALTIMORE -- The Baltimore City public school system closed four schools early Thursday afternoon after fire was discovered in the
building housing all the schools.

Samuel L. Banks High School, Abbottston Elementary School, the Stadium School and Highlandtown Elementary School #237, which are all housed
in the same building at 2500 East Northern Parkway, are closing immediately due to a fire in the basement. All students and staff were evacuated.

Fire crews are still on the scene in north Baltimore. There are no reports of injuries.

Stay with TheWBALChannel.com and 11 News for the latest news updates.

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On June 3 the students rioted in the cafeteria turning over the long, heavy tables with attached benches in the presense of the principle and vice principle who were unable to stop them. I could not even find a news story about this one.

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http://www.ebguide.com/seleadarchive.html

School 237, tired of waiting

School promised meeting, didn't deliver, say parents

by Mary Helen Sprecher

newsroom@baltimoreguide.com

We're still waiting.

Parents of students at Highlandtown Elementary School 237 are sending the message loud and clear to the Baltimore City Public School system. The parents, whose children have been bused to a BCPS facility in Northeast Baltimore since 2001 while repairs were supposed to take place at PS 237, were promised a meeting with school officials by early December. Chief among their complaints are the lack of progress on the original building (on which repairs have not yet started), and the problems with the children's interim school facility.

As students enter the second semester of the 2003-2004 school year without the promised meeting, the unrest is growing.

"The parents are getting really angry," says Virginia Glass, president of School 237's PTA. "We're being lied to, lied to, lied to again. There's no meeting. I want a meeting. I demand a meeting. My child deserves a meeting."

School officials claim that a meeting is in the cards, but that its scheduling had to be delayed while the system dealt with its financial crisis and widespread staff layoffs.

"That's not satisfying to me," says Glass. "I mean, come on now."

Highlandtown 237 was originally closed in January 2001 because of the need for widespread renovations, Carlton Epps, COO of Baltimore City Public Schools, told the Guide in November of 2003.

"Generally, we can do a renovation more quickly and at less cost if a building is unoccupied," said. "The idea was to take about two years, maybe two and a half years."

Students were moved to 2500 E. Northern Parkway, a building that houses a professional development center as well as several other schools. From the beginning, there were complaints.

Parents disliked having their children attending a school that was located so far outside their neighborhood. Getting their children out of bed earlier, they said, was difficult. They also complained about problems with buses that came too late to get the children to Northern Parkway in a timely manner.

Many parents who did not have cars also found the new school's location to be a problem. In the event of an emergency such as a sick child who had to be taken

No, both Toyota and Honda have built many safety interlocks into the high-voltage battery systems. Fire crews just have to turn off the ignition to safely lock out the hybrid batteries for a rescue.

Ok, here they are:

http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_320831.html
and
http://www.firehouse.com/news/2001/6/11_bulb.html

Or do the google searh yourself:
Google Search

I forgot to add that this could make them safer, too. Right now cars that have high voltage systems (e.g. hybrid or electric cars) usually have separate electrical systems; a high voltage one for the drive train, and a low voltage one for the rest of the car.

This is works, but it can cause fires if the high voltage system comes in contact with the low voltage one. Fires and high voltage systems in cars can be very nasty. This complicates the job of resuing people from an accident or repairing the car afterwards.

Apparently the fire may have coincidentally happened at the same time as the shuttle breakup, and may not be related after all.

Or just go to http://www.firehouse.com/.

I believe hydrogen is more dangerous because it is a gas. Like methane, if leaked to air, it mixes and forms fuel-air explosive. The air temperature is usually too low for gasoline to do that, and always too low for diesel fuel to do so.

There is also empirical evidence. The very low direct usage of hydrogen as fuel doesn't mean there is no evidence of risk, because millions of tonnes of it are used each year for other purposes. About a thousandth as much, in terms of energy content, as petroleum and natural gas.

My idea of a safe fuel.