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Comments · 17
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Re:Insurance
They listed a bunch in there. Two I know of offhand are the Ford Focus and the Mazda3.
From Ford's brochure (page 52):
1.0 EcoBoost (125PS) 6-speed manual 4.7 L/100km combined
1.0 EcoBoost (125PS) 6-speed auto 5.5 L/100km combined
1.5 EcoBoost (150PS) 6-speed manual 5.5 L/100km combined
1.5 EcoBoost (150PS) 6-speed auto 6.1 L/100km combined
1.5 EcoBoost (182PS) 6-speed manual 5.5 L/100km combined
1.5 EcoBoost (182PS) 6-speed auto 6.1 L/100km combined
1.5 Duratorq TDCi (120PS) 6-speed manual 3.8 L/100km combined
1.5 Duratorq TDCi (120PS) 6-speed auto (PowerShift) 4.2 L/100km combined
2.0 Duratorq TDCi (150PS) 6-speed manual 4.0 L/100km combined
2.0 Duratorq TDCi (150PS) 6-speed auto (PowerShift) 4.4 L/100km combinedI'm just quoting the numbers for the hatchback, but it is the same picture for the estate. For all angines that are offered with an automatic gearbox option, the automatic consumes more fuel, typically around 10%.
For the Mazda3:
105PS SKYACTIV-D speed manual 3.8 L/100km combined
105PS SKYACTIV-D speed automatic 4.4 L/100km combined
120PS SKYACTIV speed manual 5.1 L/100km combined
120PS SKYACTIV speed automatic 5.6 L/100km combinedSo those two cars apparently not, but I'd like to hear other examples.
No, DSGs do not use more fuel. Citation needed.
Here, for example, although apparently, there is no or a negligiable difference with some of the petrol engines.
You're just making things up to fit your bias.
You made things up, I didn't. I merely pointed out that you were wrong (with references). And for the record, I rather like DSG, but I've never driven an automatic.
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Re:Okay, this is getting ridiculous
Yeah, it's pretty simple: don't get a car with OnStar (I think there's a competing service out there like this from one of the other makers)
I'm afraid your information is out of date there. Maybe it's different where you are, but if you look through the web site of almost any mid-range or high-end brand here in the UK, connectivity features are all the rage and pretty much everyone now has them.
Audi has Audi Connect.
BMW has various features including Teleservices and Emergency Call.
Volvo has Sensus.
Ford has Ford SYNC.
And the list goes on. Some of these seem, at the moment, to be primarily about things like hooking in your phone, presumably so you can do exciting things like kill someone while distracted by your car awkwardly mispronouncing the e-mail you just received. A few, the Volvo Sensus for example, sound downright creepy to me in terms of auto-updating software in your vehicle without any user interaction.
And if you think every major car manufacturer and every major car insurer isn't eyeing up the possibilities of phoning home with driver performance data whether you like it or not, I know a prince in Nigeria who has a really great offer that might interest you.
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Re:Dead end
Directly from the Ford Focus brochure, 2013, from here: http://www.ford.co.uk/Cars/Foc...
Ford Focus 5 door (the hatch):
Fuel tank capacity (litres)
Petrol: 55 (62 for 2.0 litre)
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Re:And all these computer parts in cars...
Can we limit this to the US market, since that's the market that I'm referring to by "the market", since that's where I am and where I would be buying a car (sorry for not being clear on that). I'm well aware that the rest of the world gets non-shit fuel economy. As one example of why this matters, the Ford Fiesta available to YOU may get >50MPG (67.5MPG in the UK according to http://www.ford.co.uk/Cars/Fiesta), but the one sold in the US gets 33 (https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/bymodel/2013_Ford_Fiesta.shtml which seems to mostly agree with http://www.ford.com/cars/fiesta/). Also, if you're running straight gas where you are, remember to knock off 20% for the efficiency lost by adding 10% ethanol to fuel sold across most of the US.
Market matters; there really aren't many decent-mileage cars available in the US; and the ones that are available are hybrids that come with their own added expenses (battery replacement) and pollution (battery production and disposal). Even the Smart Fortwo only gets 38MPG (highway, the average is lower but not listed on the Smart website) in the US (http://www.smartusa.com/models/pure-coupe/overview.aspx); even just going up to Canada, you can get the same car in a 4.7l/100km (50MPG) flavor (http://www.thesmart.ca/products-fortwo-coup%C3%A9-engineering-engine/e0a1fb03-d93b-5af7-80ab-7c81f0ff63f2 - comparing highway economy since that's what's listed on the US site - apples to apples).
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Re:doesn't even hold a full cart
You can only get 5.3 L with the Chevy Express AWD. This is barely acceptable for a 3-ton vehicle with 15 seats.
What do American vehicles do, simply pump half the fuel direct into the exhaust? A Ford Transit Minibus seats upto 17 and has a 2.2L diesel engine. You're doing seriously wrong if 5.3 L is "barely acceptable" for a vehicle that small.
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Re:Retrocausality, according to Wall Street Journa
Audi A8 4.2 TDI. 37.2 combined mpg, UK (>30 uS). [ No, I don't have one of those - it's just an example ]
My 7 seater is a Ford Galaxy, the seats are all full sized (you can swap seats in row 2 &3). New model of that is 49.6 combined mpg, UK. I have an older one which is closer to VW Sharan (same platform) if you want to lookup new model specs (current model 50+ mpg, UK). These cars are renouned for getting good real-world mpg - you can get the theoretical numbers without fancy hypermiling (in fact the passenger seat tends to regard my driving as "aggressive"
:-) ).http://www.ford.co.uk/Cars/Galaxy/FuelEconomyAndCO2Emissions
http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/#/new/sharan-nf/which-model/engines/fuel-consumption
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Re:GP100M
Really?
http://www.ford.co.uk/Cars/Fiesta/FueleconomyandCO2emissions
From Ford UK and it has MPG listed.And Fiat UK http://www.fiat.co.uk/showroom/comparator.aspx?id=3740&vars=169,169,169&ses=true&hash=showroom/panda/compare
Just in case you think it is only Ford UK that does it.
So in 3 minutes two EU companies that US MPG on their UK websites.
So yes you do sell fuel in liters but your advertise mileage in MPG. -
Re:What happens when...
Ford can get 76.3 mpg. http://www.ford.co.uk/Cars/NewFiesta/NewFiestaECOnetic
Although I don't think that model is available in the US. -
Re:My old car is fineReliability myths aside, a small car is not ideal for a lot of people, but there are many cars of many different sizes and capabilities that get much better mileage than 30. Where I am from, people who need to drive more than 10000 miles per year would choose a diesel engine by default.
http://www.ford.co.uk/Cars/Mondeo/FueleconomyandCO2emissions [ford.co.uk]
http://www.chevrolet.co.uk/epica/epica-technical-data-epica-ls-fuel-consumption.html
http://www.renault.co.uk/cars/model/newlagunasporttourer/ecoefficiency.aspx
http://www.citroen.co.uk/new-cars/citroen-c5-saloon/in-more-detail/technical-specifications/
and there's always Mercedes, BMW, and the whole VW group if you want something of even higher quality.
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Re:My old car is fine
If a bigger and faster car is better for you then get a Ford Mondeo with the 1.8 Turbo Diesel engine. Or any of the other models that are made by US manufacturers for Europe. http://www.ford.co.uk/Cars/Mondeo/FueleconomyandCO2emissions
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150mph factory-built Focus....?
Only in Europe!
The USA doesn't get a decent Focus because Ford doesn't want small cars to eat into sales of their low-quality-but-Humongous SUVs (which have much higher profit margins than well-built, small cars do).
If you go to the USA Ford Focus page you'll see buttons with labels like "towing guide" (which basically says "don't!!!") instead of buttons for things like "handling" and "performance".
USA: http://www.fordvehicles.com/cars/focussedan/
UK: http://www.ford.co.uk/ns7/focmca/foc0108_tech/foc_model_st/-/-/-
The differences between USA/Rest of world versions of the Focus are here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Focus
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Re:"Astonishing"? Only in the USA
Exactly, and I really don't see how this is news. My diesel (Ford) fiesta is listed as getting 62.8 mpg, and this is nothing special.
I wonder maybe whether this is symptomatic of block-system city layouts. With traffic-lights you can at least anticipate whether you need to stop or not, whilst driving in a US city (SF) I was horrified by the total in-efficiency of having to stop at every block.
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And in europe they can
What I realy find strange is that the eropean Ford and GM (called Opel and Vaxhall here) factories produce cars which meed those requronment at ease.
Look at here adverts in the UK:
http://www.vauxhall.co.uk/
http://www.ford.co.uk/
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Re:Also not if you mainly drive freeway
You don't even need to get a particularly exotic manufacturer. Ford sells loads of great efficient cars in Europe, but not in the US. For example, the Fiesta and Ka: http://www.ford.co.uk/ns7/all_cars/-/- But there's no market for them. Too small, apparently...
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Re:Such BS
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Re:What logic?
It's spelt 'ka'.
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I'm safe
My car is a diesel. It's really quite difficult to ignite diesel accidentally.
Also, here in the UK, most (non-HGV) fuel pumps don't allow you to lock the pump on and let go.