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Also don't leave out xine, the d5d plugin does menus extremely well, which is all packaged together nicely for a redhat system at freshrpms

$ apt-get upgrade
Mozilla upgraded. What's the problem?

If you really wanted you could add it to the menus and call it "Linux Update".

I use apt-get for RPMs http://freshrpms.net/apt/

Using a basic RedHat installation, you can use up2date as soon as RedHat provide the next version. Or just download and rpm -Uvh the RPMs directly from mozilla.

Maybe more difficult if you have trouble using a keyboard, but you get the option to use NutScrape, Opera, Lynx, or many other browsers if you prefer.

apt-get install links. Yes, it does work in RH8 too.

Its a really handy tool ported from debian. See http://apt.freshrpms.net

Now if only Red Hat would adopt it instead of up2date...

While Debian does have a bit of work to do to get the installation process up to par, it is one of the absolute best systems to maintain and administrate. Many would consider apt as Debian's "killer app". On Red Hat you can have the best of both worlds. Visit http://apt.freshrpms.net.

Red Hat's got their Red Hat Network upgrade service. It's a lot like Windows Update with XP - it'll tell you when updates are available, and you'll have the option to download them. It works well. I have personally intalled apt-get (for RPM) and I've fallen in love with it. But it is not an official Red Hat apt-get. You can grab it from FreshRPMS.

Anyway you can see it under linux if you have avifile and Win32 codec binaries installed in your system
On RedHat you can install pre-build binaries from www.freshrpms.net

Can somebody tell me is there is anyway to record it?

Install apt and do a dist-upgrade. It'll update all your packages (including redhat-release), and it'll save on the bandwidth.

I normally find this link a lot more informative than the parent link.

Why not just download an RPM containing the mp3 plugin? Sheesh. I'm more annoyed that xlockmore was removed, but one can't have everything.

Psst, over here. apt-get for RedHat! + Synaptic, a GUI front-end. /me kisses you.

• Since Fraunhofer `clarified' their licensing for MP3 encoders, Red Hat 8 doesn't include any mp3 encoding or playing tools. Freshrpms have the packages you need for playing mp3s, and even encoding them if you're some kind of sick twisted person that doesnt encode oggs yet
  
• Xine and Totem (GTK2 Xine) packages for playing DVDs and films. Freshrpsm is based in France where CSS itself is illegal (the libdvdcss decoder is therefore fine).
  
• Alsa, so you can let many apps use your soundcard at once, as well as many other davnatges, plus a great 5 minute howto on installing it.
  
• Apt get to install all these funky new Linux packages (RPMs), plus the new GTK version of the Synaptic front end.
  
• Lots of other good stuff I haven't mentioned and to come. Matthias even sometimes does requests.
  

I was lucky enough to snag the first 4 cd's over the weekend, so I've been playing with 8.0 for a few days now.

I had the beta release null installed on a box last week that I had tried too.

Anyway, as for 8.0,
likes:
- the interface. switching between KDE and GNOME doesn't cause others looking at the desktop to be totally mystified. they both look similar, and it's been a long time coming that Redhat should've done this.
- mozilla. it's come a long way, and its turning into quite a browser.
- it installed nicely on all but one box - it didn't recognize the soundcard on a dell optiplex gx1p. running sndconfig manually after the install fixed that right up.

dislikes:
- no direct way to mount a win32 share from the desktop. Yes, I can start Konq and smb://somemachine, but can I right-click and mount it? Nope.
- no 'run' interface like win32. sorry, but I can window-key-R and type \\machine\sharename
and I'm there. Can't do that with RH.
- xmms has mp3 play-ability removed. Fine, goto http://psyche.freshrpms.net/ and grab the rpm so it can play mp3's.
- dvd playback (mpg, avi, etc) - again, gotta go get more rpm's from freshrpms because default redhat8 doesn't have the capability.

Now, I realize that before the latest Win32 OS's came out, you had to go get an mp3 player. And most people, even though Windows XP can play them out of the box now, they probably go get winamp. (I do). So can I really bitch about redhat not playing mp3's out of the box?

Sure I can. In my opinion, Redhat could atleast buy the license to include this stuff, so that if I purchase the boxed set, and install it, that would have the capability built in. I can understand they don't want to pay for the people who are downloading the iso's for free.

I also came to the realization that even though all the apps have the same look and feel, running KDE apps under GNOME, or vise versa, doesn't always play nicely. Example: I like Kmail (specifically because of the filters, and it acts like Eudora). Anyway, I ran it under GNOME. It tried to view a jpg attachment someone sent by clicking on it, and it didn't happen. Switched to KDE (which I normally use 99% of the time) went to kmail, clicked on the attachment... bingo, it came right up.

Yes, there's probably a fix for this. But I'm sorry, I'm getting tired of having to tinker to get each linux box to act uniformally all the time. Between the two here at work, the 2 at home, and the dual boot laptop, it can take a lot of time tinkering with things to get them to work. Hopefully, w/ each release of redhat this will become less and less of an issue.

Anyway, just my $.02....

tf23

apt-get install mplayer

apt-get install xine

apt-get install xmms

It'll get all the necessary libraries, etc. No need to go through dependency hell!

How easy is that?

Cheers,

Costyn.

Here is a list of mirrors known to have RH 8.0 ready:

http://freshrpms.net/mirrors/psyche.html

http://redhat.dsi.internet2.edu/8.0
And don't forget about Internet2 if you are at an I2 connected institution.

Check out Freshrpms. There are already lots of packages available for Psyche (Red Hat 8.0), and most of them are for multimedia. They are even apt-getable through apt-rpm.

This should fix most if not all problems with Red Hat and multimedia.

Check out Freshrpms. There are already lots of packages available for Psyche (Red Hat 8.0), and most of them are for multimedia. They are even apt-getable through apt-rpm.

This should fix most if not all problems with Red Hat and multimedia.

I also got the impression that the purpose of Red Carpet was more to-do with providing Ximian with some kind of business model, than actually providing useful functionality to the end-user - otherwise why not just build it around apt-get and give us all some flexibility?

In the end, I didn't really see any solid advantage to going with Ximian Gnome (although I do like Evolution), and it had the disadvantage of making my rpm dependency tree more complicated than it needs to be.

Any RedHat people (bero-rh?) willing to comment on this?
(by the way, I submitted this article hours before this one, but what the heck...)

All Red Hat code names so far have been connected by a double meaning. This page documents the connections found so far. The link between 'Valhalla' and 'Limbo' should be clear. The link between Valhalla and Skipjack hasn't been posted here yet, though ISTR that they are both islands.

There's an RPM version of apt-get at freshrpms.net. It's for Redhat but I don't see why it wouldn't work for Mandrake.

I don't think apt-get will solve the problem of different RPMs for different distros.

someone please correct me if I'm wrong

Sure.

Obviously the original poster didn't compare rpm to apt-get, he's talking about the convenience offered by RPM-based apt-get which solves a lot of dependencies problems in RPM.

Apt has nothing to do with it. You can get apt for rpm based systems. Debian should move to RPMS *now*... no delay, no fucking around and no massive political wrangling.

.debs have nothing over .rpms, and rpms are the standard now.

You do realize that there is APT for RPM, don't you? Connectiva ported it, so maybe there's a chance that this MegaDistro will be apt-rpm based.

It works like a charm, esp. if you use the FreshRPMS repositories.

More imporantly, what is the relationship between skipjack and valhalla? Red Hat codenames have been linked by double meanings since the 3.0.3 release (Picasso).

http://freshrpms.net/mirrors/valhalla.html

I've also already rebuilt a pre-configured apt and its reposiroty for use with Valhalla, as well as many custom packages (lame, gkrellm, glimmer, nessus, xmame...)

Having already tested it a bit, I must say this release looks darn good and stable so far! Maybe it's because there are fewer changes than usual (which explains this being 7.3 and not 8.0).

Matthias

so i recommend debian's apt package manager

apt is independent (more or less) of the back-end; I've been using apt for Red Hat for quite a while. (It's quite choice... I love it.)

On some of the Red Hat 7.2 boxes I administer, I run a nightly apt-get update and then apt-get update -s, which performs a simulated install and then mails me the output.

This way, I know when a new Red Hat update comes out, and have some idea about how successfully it will install on the system (generally OK, using Red Hat main, updates and freshrpms in my sources.list).

If you run Red Hat and you haven't discovered the joys of installing RPMs with APT, then I suggest you try it. You'll wonder how you ever got on without it.

• 7.0-Guinness
  
• 7.0.90-Fisher
  Carrie Fisher and Alec Guiness were both cast emembers of Star Wars
  
• 7.0.91-Wolverine
  the fisher and wolverine are both members of the weazel family
  
• 7.1-Seawolf
  The U.S.S. Wolverine and U.S.S. Seawolf are both submarines
  
• 7.1.93-Roswell
  The Seawolf was the first sub powered by a liquid metal cooled reactor. It was completed exactly 10 years after the Roswell incident
  
• 7.1.94-Roswell (no name change)
  
• 7.2-Enigma
  Enigma is the name of a UFO museum in Roswell, NM
  
• 7.2.91-Skipjack (7.3 beta)
  Skipjack and Enigma are both encryption algorithms
  

apt-get (the program) is now available for .rpm (the format). As a result, you can have all of the power of apt-get, its tools, the great dependency checking, etc., on a RPM-based system. More and more RPM apt-get-able repositories are coming on line every day.

See the above links for using apt-get to keep a RedHat 7.2 system updated to the very latest in a lot of popular packages. If a lot of good-quality RPM repositories become available (and you can imagine there will be), this might keep me out of Debian's clutches yet :)

apt-get (the program) is now available for .rpm (the format). As a result, you can have all of the power of apt-get, its tools, the great dependency checking, etc., on a RPM-based system. More and more RPM apt-get-able repositories are coming on line every day.

See the above links for using apt-get to keep a RedHat 7.2 system updated to the very latest in a lot of popular packages. If a lot of good-quality RPM repositories become available (and you can imagine there will be), this might keep me out of Debian's clutches yet :)

There's a source rpm here:
http://enigma.freshrpms.net/rpm.html?id=615

Or, just search RPMFind.

# Red Hat Linux Rawhide
#rpm http://apt.nixia.no redhat/rawhide/i386 cds
#rpm http://apt.nixia.no redhat/7.2/i386 gnomehide

I like APT but there's a couple of reasons why I stick with Red Hat - I like their current yet well tested AC kernels, kudzu, setup, installer and a couple of other tools. Its always nice to just buy a network card and install it by sticking it in my damned machine and turning back on - no hunting for which driver module matches the hardware. A lot of software (Open Source apps like FreeSWAN, closed source apps like Kylix) seem to be tested on RH before other Linux distributions.

Anyway, APT has been available for Red Hat for some time now and its how I update most o my boxes. There's a few good publically avaliable repositories and more on the way - namely all the Red Hat CDs, all the updates as they come out, FreshRPMs, and Gnomehide. I have around 2.8GB of (binary) software from 9 different sources on an APT repository I maintain at my workplace, all of which are tested against 7.2. Sure, 2.8 is less than 6GB (the amount on Debian repositories), but its got everythign we need - acroread, postfix, enhydra, kylix open edition, just about everything else.

There's also the fact that the ability to install RPM packages is part of the LSB, and alien doesn't seem to handle this reliably.

If you're interested, download apt packages from Freshrpms

RPM's work just fine (when they work), but if a library is missing, for God's sake, TELL ME WHERE I CAN DOWNLOAD IT or better yet, go find it and download it for me!

There's a tool call APT which works on top of RPM which will do exactly that - you can download and install it from FreshRPMs.

Of course, functionality spread over 2 seperate command line tool doesn't appeal to end users, so it would be lovely if someone could write an app like the QNX installer for Linux. I've used Red Carpet, Synaptic, and all the other GUI package installers and they really don't compare to the installer, which lets me simply browse repositories, click what I want, and do whatever's necessary to get the app installed.

I know RPM is supposed to be that way as well, but I've had a lot more dependency problems with RPMs than I have with apt.

I too have had more problems with apples as opposed to oranges :). Anyway, do the following on your Red Hat box:

1. Visit FreshRPMS
2. Download and install the APT p[ackage from there
3. Use APT to check your system for dodgy package, then apt-get update.
4. You may now APT all of Red Hat 7.2, sources, extras, and a bunch of brand new cutting edge packages created on request by FreshRPMs ninja Matthias Saou.
5. Smile :)

PS - Matthias needs more mirrors and Python / Perl ninjas to help him with RpmForge, his upcoming project. get his contact details from the web site.

rpm ftp://ftp.freshrpms.net/pub/apt redhat-freshrpms-7.2/redhat freshrpms

And now you can "apt-get install xine" or "apt-get install ogle_gui" or even "apt-get install gkrellm-plugins" with less hassles than before! ;-)

Of course, you first need to get the apt package from here.

Hoping some people will find this as useful as I do,
Matthias

http://freshrpms.net/misc/enigma.html

Also, don't forget to go get all the "missing" goodies (xine, lame, nessus...) from http://enigma.freshrpms.net/

Happy download! :-)

Matthias

http://freshrpms.net/misc/enigma.html

Also, don't forget to go get all the "missing" goodies (xine, lame, nessus...) from http://enigma.freshrpms.net/

Happy download! :-)

Matthias

/me mutters something *very nasty* about Bero

If its like KDE 2.2.0, Bero built them for 7.2. If you're silly enough to be running the stable release, you should rebuild every SRPM by hand, and then install a bunch of nonstable non-KDE apps

That's REALLY REALLY DUMB and is wasting vast quantities of everyone's time on the various KDE mailing lists.

Go here to get properly built, working 2.2 packages for 7.1. With any luck our mate ben should make 2.2.1 ones real soon.

Otherwise, ask the Freshrpms guy. Need a working package for anything for a Red Hat system? This guy is nice enough to take requests too.

...unless they specifically mean they can play the Sorenson codec.

They can. Read the article.

Most of the ASF et. al. support comes from using the Windows binary codecs...

Until FFMPEG came along, or more importantly, Xine 0.51, which plays MSMPEG and DivX encoded AVIs just fine, natively. Not sure about ASFs - should be pretty triviual to do, but I haven't texted it yet.

Oh, and if you want Xine with the ability to play the DVD movies you paid for, you should get the packages from here.

I feel really sad for all the poor retailers that believe all this nonsense...

Matthias