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It is when I'm eating Munchos. It's like I'm inhaling these damn things!

You'd have to dig further into the 41 subjects that were a part of that survey. Further, it'd be nice if more than a single subject actually consumed all of the foods listed (http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/66/5/1264.full.pdf). Even worse that only 15 subjects did more than two food categories.

Always look closely at the data before believing it.

That's what they have statistics for. Having the same subject consume both lets you run a paired T-test which lets you push the variance lower (I don't know if they did that with the 15) but having the 41 subjects consume foods from different categories is fine. If they did it your way you'd be complaining because they either tested fewer foods or did it with fewer volunteers. The only issue is like all studies of their kind it's done on a bunch of western university students.

And it's not the only study that decouples insulin and GI.

You've decided the only possible way to get fat is via insulin resistance (well at least for the 70% who have both conditions), so if palatability contributes to obesity you're assuming it must work in this bizarre fashion.

That's correct. We haven't shown any mechanism for fat accumulation outside of insulin resistance and elevated insulin levels, although some MHO data suggests it might be possible for say, 30% of the population.

We haven't shown any mechanism for fat accumulation outside of insulin. But that doesn't mean you can't get fat without insulin resistance or chronically elevated insulin. You haven't even accounted for glucagon!

How about this, define palatability. How can you tell one food is more or less palatable than another? Does this vary between individuals? Does it vary over time within individuals? What's your specific definition?

Some people have done some serious research into hyperpalatable foods. There are some characteristics of palatability, crunchiness, low bitterness, sugar, fat, salt. But the fact you don't want to accept a fuzzy definition doesn't mean its not a real thing. Are you seriously going to claim that we can't look at tastiness because I can't prove why icecream tastes better than a block of vegetable shortening?

That doesn't mean people haven't tried but you're not going to get a simple story.

> But then again...I guess I can't put the blame on this guy....hey, they taste good.

They have 23 varieties of Doritos chips.

22 of the 23 are rich in Monosodium Glutamate (MSG). That's what makes them taste so good.

MSG is tasty. I don't think MSG is evil, however just like artificial sweeteners that trick our taste buds to thinking we are getting calories, MSG kind of tricks our taste sensors and making our bodies go yeah this is real hearty healthy food with protein and nutrition. Why? Because protein-rich foods are high in Glutamic acid, which provides the Umami flavor. And umami is nice. and MSG is just glutamic acid but with no inherent nutrition or protein.

so, we taste MSG and then we think, mmmmmm, body wants to hoard this (faux) nutrition.... I think I will have 7 pounds of these and just keep eating more and more and more.

Only the special variety that I've NEVER bought --- the one that is Kosher and Milk/Casein free and additive free... --- doesn't have MSG. You can identify that one on this page as the one with the all the icons indicating its specialness.

If i'm gonna have doritos, i want MSG and weird orange color.

But it's important to watch how much consumed in one sitting, because the MSG makes us want to keep eating them, and high amounts of carbs, fat, and salt aren't great for ya. For me, it's the carbs reduction that is helping me lose weight.

According to this site, 49 grams of doritos is 13 grams fat and 28 grams non-fiber carbs. And a 14.5 oz bag of chips is 411 grams.

So multiply by 8 and the bag is 104 grams fat and 224 grams carbs!!!

> But then again...I guess I can't put the blame on this guy....hey, they taste good.

They have 23 varieties of Doritos chips.

22 of the 23 are rich in Monosodium Glutamate (MSG). That's what makes them taste so good.

MSG is tasty. I don't think MSG is evil, however just like artificial sweeteners that trick our taste buds to thinking we are getting calories, MSG kind of tricks our taste sensors and making our bodies go yeah this is real hearty healthy food with protein and nutrition. Why? Because protein-rich foods are high in Glutamic acid, which provides the Umami flavor. And umami is nice. and MSG is just glutamic acid but with no inherent nutrition or protein.

so, we taste MSG and then we think, mmmmmm, body wants to hoard this (faux) nutrition.... I think I will have 7 pounds of these and just keep eating more and more and more.

Only the special variety that I've NEVER bought --- the one that is Kosher and Milk/Casein free and additive free... --- doesn't have MSG. You can identify that one on this page as the one with the all the icons indicating its specialness.

If i'm gonna have doritos, i want MSG and weird orange color.

But it's important to watch how much consumed in one sitting, because the MSG makes us want to keep eating them, and high amounts of carbs, fat, and salt aren't great for ya. For me, it's the carbs reduction that is helping me lose weight.

According to this site, 49 grams of doritos is 13 grams fat and 28 grams non-fiber carbs. And a 14.5 oz bag of chips is 411 grams.

So multiply by 8 and the bag is 104 grams fat and 224 grams carbs!!!

What the hell are you talking about? Surely not these: http://www.fritolay.com/our-snacks/funyuns-onion.html

The problem with this is that there are a lot of rebranded things, or sub-brands if you will. Odwalla is Coca-cola now, etc. So you need to also check who distributes that toothpaste because it might say J&J or Colgate in the fine print! Companies can produce new brands on a whim these days... but luckily they tend to be shelved not too far away from all the things you did recognize from that vendor. I've also seen knock-offs that are actually produced by the company they appear to be competing against.

For a sub-brand example, Santitas looks nothing like Frito-Lay at first glance on a store shelf: http://www.fritolay.com/fl/flstore/cgi-bin/product s_santitas.htm

These have been out for years, and they're not really that bad for you.

Munchies...

Did you mean Sun Chips?

SANTA CLARA, CALIF. - April 10, 2004 - Sun Microsystems, Inc., is pleased to announce their intention to expand into a whole different market with their new line of chips, labelled "SUN potato chips 1000". This new product is a direct response to the fritolay product with a similiar name. "We expect to have instant brand name recognition with the top consumers of snack products, primarily made up of computer geeks" one company spokesperson said with the condition that he remain anonymous.

You mean Ununfunyuns? Those are somewhat doughnut-shaped.

They may not be all carbs, but chips still have plenty of carbs. For instance, the chips listed there generally have x grams of fat, and 1.5x grams of carbs :-/.

If Paul Nixon comes from the TI school of design, it will be built to last.

Remember, TI makes more chips than Frito-Lay.